NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[Guybrush20X6]

....I would say no....but....if you actually care to see why I don't really think this is an rpg....Then I would go for it but keep my expectation extremely low....there's a chance that it could be worse than that. Seriously if you expect paper mario's charms....I'll say skip it, but up to you.

They played it during the Treehouse, it's an RPG. Why would they cross over two RPG sereis and not make it an RPG that's like crossing over two of Platforming's giants in a sports... wait...

 

[IsmaR]

M&L > Paper

 

[Kenith]

So our friend Artsy Omni said something topical about Federation Force:

Very well said.

 

[Neo Zero]

So our friend Artsy Omni said something topical about Federation Force:

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Very well said.

Certainly more well said than the IGN or YouTube comments from today.

 

[Kenith]

Certainly more well said than the IGN or YouTube comments from today.

Heh. Yeah. He is a very smart guy.
YouTube and IGN commenters generally aren't.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Certainly more well said than the IGN or YouTube comments from today.

Yeah tough I wonder, what if Federation force was not dislike?That would mean,

Spoiler

Eggman confirmed cheater in golf at the Rio 2016 Olympic games!

 

[powerprotoman]

see i think federation force is kinda needed because lets face outside of making huge mistakes that threaten the galaxy and letting samus do their job what do they do?

the fact were getting a game that serves to expan their role is intresting because it means they will play a bigger role in prime 4(the aforementioned sylux game)

for instance from just the gameplay and trailers we have been shown its shows up that the federations weapons arnt nearly as strong as samus's (see the ice beast mission)

 

[TheAnvil]

....I would say no....but....if you actually care to see why I don't really think this is an rpg....Then I would go for it but keep my expectation extremely low....there's a chance that it could be worse than that. Seriously if you expect paper mario's charms....I'll say skip it, but up to you.

I wouldn't play it expecting a masterpiece like TTYD was. But I've always heard good things about the Mario RPGs and with me looking so forward to this Paper/RPG cross over I wondered if it would be a good idea to try one of the RPG games.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

see i think federation force is kinda needed because lets face outside of making huge mistakes that threaten the galaxy and letting samus do their job what do they do?

the fact were getting a game that serves to expan their role is intresting because it means they will play a bigger role in prime 4(the aforementioned sylux game)

for instance from just the gameplay and trailers we have been shown its shows up that the federations weapons arnt nearly as strong as samus's (see the ice beast mission)

Ideally they should have released this BETWEEN Metroid games. Not in lieu of one.

I wouldn't play it expecting a masterpiece like TTYD was. But I've always heard good things about the Mario RPGs and with me looking so forward to this Paper/RPG cross over I wondered if it would be a good idea to try one of the RPG games.

I recommend you try and find a copy of Mario And Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story. That's the strongest one in my opinion. Most people will sing the original Mario and Luigi's praises but that one just never clicked for me personally.

 

[Naoshi]

I've never played a Mario RPG game that wasn't Paper, should I pick up the 3DS one to play before Paper Jam comes out?

Play Superstar Saga, avoid Partners in Time. I heard Bowser Inside Story is good, but hearing meh about Dream Team (due to tutorials and awful pacing).


But PLAY Superstar Saga first. It's amazing.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

So has everyone cooled down over this year's E3.
After taking in to account we had a direct at the start of this month.
They won it for me. Chibi Robo, M&S Rio, Amiibo Crossing, Mario & Luigi Paper Jam. Etc.
They did really well honestly. They also let me try out Freedom Planet thorough the E Shop so big props in that regard :D

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Nintendo has the most exclusive content but Sony did the best job job at presentation.

 

[continuityOfficer]

I think one of the best thing about nintendo's digital event is that its made it substantially easier for me to get a PS4 to play the new Fallout, new Dishonoured and the probably veigly better version of Persona 5 and J-star+ on.

I mean, at the very least, its a safe bet to say that we wont have any more big announcements for anything coming out this year, and the games i am excited for I preordered ages ago.

 

[TheAnvil]

You know, I've just been thinking about Wolf's potential return to Smash and am wondering how you guys envision his appearance and voice this time?

Clearly at this stage it doesn't matter when hypothetical development on him would have or will start, he'd have started being developed long after this new Star Fox game went into production prior to E3 last year. So his design could very well reflect that. And because they're using the old voice actors again for this new Star Fox game, it'd be quite safe to assume that his British voice would be the one he has in Smash, especially as Fox and Falco both have theirs in Smash too.

But his look is quite interesting to think about. His look in Brawl completely fit what Fox's and Falco's Smash looks were then and still are now. Which is a mashup of all the different looks they've ever had, combining elements from the different games. Changing that would make him feel quite separate from the other two, conceptually. Conversely it's a look he's probably never going to have again in the actual Star Fox series (as it was mostly based on his Assault look, due to him only having a full body view in that game) so wouldn't it technically be a better idea all around to give him whatever his new look will be? The safe guess after observing the direction they've decided to go in with this game would be that he's going back to this, or something very similar to:

I always imagined him to be wearing pretty much exactly the same kind of costume that Star Fox wore, but in black (jumpsuit), with a brown longcoat (like the jackets the Star Fox team wears but longer) over the top (think Wesker in RE5 length). Roy's redesign further facilitates the idea in my mind that he could potentially look very different this time, after all there's far more reason to change his look than there was for Roy.

What do you guys think?

 

[Radical Bones]

Play Superstar Saga, avoid Partners in Time. I heard Bowser Inside Story is good, but hearing meh about Dream Team (due to tutorials and awful pacing).


But PLAY Superstar Saga first. It's amazing.

Partners in Time isn't that bad. Bowser's Inside Story is AMAZING, as good as - if not better than Superstar Saga.

Dream Team is excellent. There is a lot of dialogue, and a few tutorials early, but it's still really good IMO.

Paper Jam looks fantastic though. Make sure you at least play SS and BIS.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Partners in Time is the weakest Mario & Luigi but it's better than Sticker Star.

 

[Kenith]

Partners in Time isn't that bad. Bowser's Inside Story is AMAZING, as good as - if not better than Superstar Saga.
Dream Team is excellent. There is a lot of dialogue, and a few tutorials early, but it's still really good IMO.
Paper Jam looks fantastic though. Make sure you at least play SS and BIS.

How dare you-
Oh wait, Superstar Saga. You scared me. I almost lost a ton of respect for you.

Partners in Time is the weakest Mario & Luigi but it's better than Sticker Star.

And to continue my joke.
That's not saying much.

 

[Champ Gold]

I think Superstar Saga is better than Bowser's Inside Story


Yeah, I said it.


It's not the best GBA RPG (Sacred Stones, Megaman Battle Network 2&3 and Pokemon E/FR/LG are better)

 

[Naoshi]

Partners in Time isn't that bad. Bowser's Inside Story is AMAZING, as good as - if not better than Superstar Saga.

Dream Team is excellent. There is a lot of dialogue, and a few tutorials early, but it's still really good IMO.

Paper Jam looks fantastic though. Make sure you at least play SS and BIS.

I thought PiT was reallly boring and kinda annoying, and it was my first M&L game. I never got to play Superstar until like last year or so, and it was absolutely great. I should pick up BiS sometime though. Unsure about Dream Team, the tutorials and pacing can be a killjoy for me, but I'll give it a shot on a cheap price.

Partners in Time is the weakest Mario & Luigi but it's better than Sticker Star.

Yeah, even though I stopped at the 2nd boss in PiT and even managed to complete SS... At least PiT had story, and the battles weren't pointless at all which that alone made it at least more well designed from a gameplay stand of view.

By the way, I heard they upped the HP of bosses/enemies in the American localization. Is that true?

EDIT: Wow apparently, america got it first, JP/EU got it later with balance changes...

 

[Spazzy_D]

If there were a Prime 4 with this idea in development at E3 and shown in the Digital Event I would have been insanely hyped much earlier.

My favorite Metroid character will make a comeback sometime and the stinger speculation has ended.

I'm so happy.

sylux4smashdlc

It would be nice to see more characters developed in the Metroid universe. Building Sylux up is not a bad idea, and if the Federation is to play a big role in an upcoming game than perhaps we can see more soldiers stepping up. I honestly wouldn't mind Anthony Higgs coming back, to be honest.

Honestly, I like the 2D Metroids, but let's keep them in the past.

There's an epic world that Metroid is harboring that really really works for 3D and HD.

I can't wait to see a true proper 3D HD Metroid whenever it happens.

There's no need for this to be an either/or situation. If Nintendo can make Mario and Zelda games in both 2D and 3D, than there is not reason they could not do the same for Metroid.

 

[mark welford]

You know, I've just been thinking about Wolf's potential return to Smash and am wondering how you guys envision his appearance and voice this time?

Clearly at this stage it doesn't matter when hypothetical development on him would have or will start, he'd have started being developed long after this new Star Fox game went into production prior to E3 last year. So his design could very well reflect that. And because they're using the old voice actors again for this new Star Fox game, it'd be quite safe to assume that his British voice would be the one he has in Smash, especially as Fox and Falco both have theirs in Smash too.

But his look is quite interesting to think about. His look in Brawl completely fit what Fox's and Falco's Smash looks were then and still are now. Which is a mashup of all the different looks they've ever had, combining elements from the different games. Changing that would make him feel quite separate from the other two, conceptually. Conversely it's a look he's probably never going to have again in the actual Star Fox series (as it was mostly based on his Assault look, due to him only having a full body view in that game) so wouldn't it technically be a better idea all around to give him whatever his new look will be? The safe guess after observing the direction they've decided to go in with this game would be that he's going back to this, or something very similar to:

I always imagined him to be wearing pretty much exactly the same kind of costume that Star Fox wore, but in black (jumpsuit), with a brown longcoat (like the jackets the Star Fox team wears but longer) over the top (think Wesker in RE5 length). Roy's redesign further facilitates the idea in my mind that he could potentially look very different this time, after all there's far more reason to change his look than there was for Roy.

What do you guys think?

I think they keep his SSBB look because 1 it is easier than creating a new model and 2 it costs a lot of money to make a new model for a game.

 

[Spazzy_D]

This old leak is kind of funny in retrospect:

So many people thought that these two, especially Wolf, were the veteran priorities as far as DLC goes. Lucas? Yeah, he had some sort of chance... MAYBE. Wolf would certainly get in first. Roy? No way he's coming back now that we have Lucina.

 

[PushDustIn]

This old leak is kind of funny in retrospect:

So many people thought that these two, especially Wolf, were the veteran priorities as far as DLC goes. Lucas? Yeah, he had some sort of chance... MAYBE. Wolf would certainly get in first. Roy? No way he's coming back now that we have Lucina.

Yeah Roy really came out of nowhere. He was being requested, but no where on the levels of Wolf or the Ice Climbers.

 

[TheAnvil]

I seem to remember someone posting a list of the most requested characters in Japan prior to Smash and Roy was not far off Mewtwo level, if that is true then I can see why he came back. Sakurai usually caters to the Japanese audience after all (we've had JP-only characters in 3 of the 4 Smash games after all). In fact if I can recall the list correctly, Chrom, K. Rool and Dixie are the only absent characters from the list now, and Chrom was included in a role that Sakurai saw fit for him.

I'm still surprised that Lucas was more requested than Wolf in Japan though, Star Fox has got to be more popular over there considering Mother 3 never saw the kinds of sales figures that Star Fox saw on the N64 and SNES.

 

[PushDustIn]

I seem to remember someone posting a list of the most requested characters in Japan prior to Smash and Roy was not far off Mewtwo level, if that is true then I can see why he came back. Sakurai usually caters to the Japanese audience after all (we've had JP-only characters in 3 of the 4 Smash games after all). In fact if I can recall the list correctly, Chrom, K. Rool and Dixie are the only absent characters from the list now, and Chrom was included in a role that Sakurai saw fit for him.

I'm still surprised that Lucas was more requested than Wolf in Japan though, Star Fox has got to be more popular over there considering Mother 3 never saw the kinds of sales figures that Star Fox saw on the N64 and SNES.

You are talking about @ChronoBound 's post. It's here, and for anyone who hasn't read it, it's very interesting.

Also, in the data that I collected pre-DLC announcement, Roy was #5.

After that, in the Smash Poll, Roy was 8th overall, but 5th among Japanese users but there wasn't that many Japanese respondents in the poll.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I seem to remember someone posting a list of the most requested characters in Japan prior to Smash and Roy was not far off Mewtwo level, if that is true then I can see why he came back. Sakurai usually caters to the Japanese audience after all (we've had JP-only characters in 3 of the 4 Smash games after all). In fact if I can recall the list correctly, Chrom, K. Rool and Dixie are the only absent characters from the list now, and Chrom was included in a role that Sakurai saw fit for him.

I'm still surprised that Lucas was more requested than Wolf in Japan though, Star Fox has got to be more popular over there considering Mother 3 never saw the kinds of sales figures that Star Fox saw on the N64 and SNES.

Yeah, that was from @ChronoBound's old thread.

According to @ PushDustIn 's post launch pre-Mewtwo DLC research, Lucas was ahead of Wolf in Japan.... but barely. It was really close. Roy had actually dropped off quite a bit as well. I believe he was ahead of Squirtles, Ivysaur, and Young Link, but behind Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, and Snake.

EDIT: I apparently posted this seconds after PushDustin's slightly more in-depth post. Points still stand.

 

[PushDustIn]

By the way, another step in creating homebrew applications on the Wii U has been achieved:

This repository contains a way to run code inside the Wii U's web browser. It provides a means to execute arbitrary code in the Cafe OS userspace on the Espresso processor. It does not allow running code in Espresso kernel-mode or provide any access to the Starbuck. We hope to implement this in the future, but the exploit is currently limited to userspace only. Right now, the supported versions are 3.x.x, 4.0.x, 4.1.0, 5.0.0, and 5.1.0).

libwiiu

Essentially, the exploit is extremely limited, and is only really usable for advance users...but it might pave the way for future exploits in the the near future.

 

[CroonerMike]

So...is Nintendo doing a roundtable thing again?

 

[TheAnvil]

You are talking about @ChronoBound 's post. It's here, and for anyone who hasn't read it, it's very interesting.

Also, in the data that I collected pre-DLC announcement, Roy was #5.

After that, in the Smash Poll, Roy was 8th overall, but 5th among Japanese users but there wasn't that many Japanese respondents in the poll.

I would assume that Roy's popularity wavered a little when both Robin and Lucina popped up.

It's actually really interesting to see how many of those characters we got. If you disregard Zoroark as he was a product of his time then K. Rool, Dixie Kong and Waddle Dee are the only characters we don't have. It's also funny to compare the pre-smash and post-smash results for characters like Zoroark and Waddle Dee, both of which have dropped significantly whereas Dixie and K. Rool are still both among the top end.

It blows my mind that people would rather have Pichu than Squirtle and Ivysaur. Is it a Gen1 thing? Also just noticed looking over your results again that you didn't mention Young Link with the other veterans, is he not wanted at all in JP?

 

[AreJay25]

So...is Nintendo doing a roundtable thing again?

No confirmation. It's the last day of E3 so I doubt it.

 

[Champ Gold]

So what do we get hype for next after E3?

We won't expect anything Smash related until September at the earliest so we got speculation for Wolf until then


EVO? TGS? And Leaks are gonna slow down as of now since we won't go into a Nintendo Ditect drought and unless Splatoon pops out something new, we got nothing until the holiday season.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I am very happy to have Lucas back in the game.
He's even better than I imagined he would be. He works so well with the smash 4 physics.
Roy is also incredibly cool. Being a newcomer to me I see him as he is now. Incredibly ****ing awesome. And the one hit KO B move of his. It's Top Notch.
And I also love the roster set up right now.

Ike, Ness and Lucas. Throw back to Brawl. I love it.
And Robin, Falcon and Roy. The way some wish it had been back in the regular reveal. But hey we got an extra in the form of
Lucina too =3

 

[DMurr]

Yeah Roy really came out of nowhere. He was being requested, but no where on the levels of Wolf or the Ice Climbers.

I don't think so. When we got Mewtwo, I felt like Roy was close behind him. He's more of a Melee throwback than a Fire Emblem rep, which was the main thing people used as a reason for him not to get in. Melee is the most popular or well known game in the series, or, at least was, prior to this game's release. The fact that his popularity remained strong even after the game released, even if it wasn't more than some Brawl vets, also makes it less surprising to me. Lucas could've been used as an indication in some way also, that they were focusing more on Japanese popularity, and Roy has more there. Not to mention he's the most popular of the Melee clones that didn't make it in, so he'd be easier to make, and he was planned for Brawl.

Idk being a fan of him, I'm sure there's bias, but I legitimately thought he had a solid chance of returning before he was leaked.

 

[PushDustIn]

I would assume that Roy's popularity wavered a little when both Robin and Lucina popped up.

It's actually really interesting to see how many of those characters we got. If you disregard Zoroark as he was a product of his time then K. Rool, Dixie Kong and Waddle Dee are the only characters we don't have. It's also funny to compare the pre-smash and post-smash results for characters like Zoroark and Waddle Dee, both of which have dropped significantly whereas Dixie and K. Rool are still both among the top end.

It blows my mind that people would rather have Pichu than Squirtle and Ivysaur. Is it a Gen1 thing? Also just noticed looking over your results again that you didn't mention Young Link with the other veterans, is he not wanted at all in JP?

Yeah that's what happened. Once Lucina popped up, some people wondered why they would include Roy.

I think I found some support for Young Link (and he should be on there somewhere), but it's nowhere near the support of the others.

For some people, I'm sure it's just because Pichu is just so cute.

So what do we get hype for next after E3?

We won't expect anything Smash related until September at the earliest so we got speculation for Wolf until then


EVO? TGS? And Leaks are gonna slow down as of now since we won't go into a Nintendo Ditect drought and unless Splatoon pops out something new, we got nothing until the holiday season.

Source Gaming's projects . We are working really hard on collecting information and translating old Famitsu article for you guys.

I don't think so. When we got Mewtwo, I felt like Roy was close behind him. He's more of a Melee throwback than a Fire Emblem rep, which was the main thing people used as a reason for him not to get in. Melee is the most popular or well known game in the series, or, at least was, prior to this game's release. The fact that his popularity remained strong even after the game released, even if it wasn't more than some Brawl vets, also makes it less surprising to me. Also, Lucas could've been used as an indication in some way also, that they were focusing more on Japanese popularity, which Roy has more there. Not to mention he's the most popular of the Melee clones that didn't make it on so he'd be easier to make, and he was planned for Brawl.

Idk being a fan of him, I'm sure there's bias, but I legitimately thought he had a solid chance of returning before he was leaked.

I think being partly developed for Brawl helped Roy A LOT. If you think about it, we got all the Melee veterans who were dropped from Brawl's development in Smash 4.

His moveset seems to be more of a Melee throwback. I heard some people joking that Roy in Smash 4 is Marth in Melee.

 

[Burb]

The problem os tbh, improving TTYD seems legit hard to worth it.

spm for me was what the series needed at the time, but SS felt just uneeded and it was due to communication issues. SS should have been like pm64 as it was teased first.

idk about you but I think paper jam is a transition to get back the series of paper mario in its glory.

Paper Jam is not a Paper Mario game.

It is a Mario & Luigi game with Paper Mario characters and elements.

I made a thing on Miiverse:
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Trying to brainwash kids on Miiverse.

I think even the kids know that an Assist Trophy isn't going to randomly be made a playable character, and if it were to miraculously happen, it wouldn't be a low-demand character like Midna.

This old leak is kind of funny in retrospect:

So many people thought that these two, especially Wolf, were the veteran priorities as far as DLC goes. Lucas? Yeah, he had some sort of chance... MAYBE. Wolf would certainly get in first. Roy? No way he's coming back now that we have Lucina.

I'm one of the people who thought Wolf would be higher priority. In hindsight, it should've been obvious that Lucas would get in over him; after all, Lucas was put in Brawl first while Wolf was a late addition to the roster according to the internal listing of characters and the fact that Wolf has no role in SSE.

And while I was on the boat of people who thought Roy had no chance due to the high number of FE characters already on the roster and the fact that we already had a Marth clone, I didn't ever think the Ice Climbers were more likely to be DLC. In all honesty, I think the Ice Climbers are probably the least likely besides Snake. I firmly believe that if they were a possibility, they would've been in the base game.

 

[Champ Gold]

I am very happy to have Lucas back in the game.
He's even better than I imagined he would be. He works so well with the smash 4 physics.
Roy is also incredibly cool. Being a newcomer to me I see him as he is now. Incredibly ****ing awesome. And the one hit KO B move of his. It's Top Notch.
And I also love the roster set up right now.

Ike, Ness and Lucas. Throw back to Brawl. I love it.
And Robin, Falcon and Roy. The way some wish it had been back in the regular reveal. But hey we got an extra in the form of
Lucina too =3

I still hate the new CSS layout because Sakurai won't bother fixing it. Link should be with his franchise and the DLC characters should be with their series. I don't care about the Clone Corner, just put the DLC characters where they belong.

Just put the clones with their series and have the retro series replace their spot. Move Meta Knight back with Kirby & DeDeDe and go by the 5 row format if so

 

[TheAnvil]

I just realised that Ryu is actually the only 3rd Party character to ever not have an Assist Trophy.

I still hate the new CSS layout because Sakurai won't bother fixing it. Link should be with his franchise and the DLC characters should be with their series. I don't care about the Clone Corner, just put the DLC characters where they belong.

Just put the clones with their series and have the retro series replace their spot. Move Meta Knight back with Kirby & DeDeDe and go by the 5 row format if so

Because of the way the DLC is added to the screen it'd be difficult to add them to their series. There's only two things they can do to improve it:

1: Add all the DLC characters for people who don't buy them, but grey them out so they aren't selectable.
2: Rearrange the original roster so the clones are where they should be, and rescale to add a 5th row at the bottom for DLC characters.
Bonus: Separate Alph and watch all be happy.

Yeah that's what happened. Once Lucina popped up, some people wondered why they would include Roy.

I think I found some support for Young Link (and he should be on there somewhere), but it's nowhere near the support of the others.

For some people, I'm sure it's just because Pichu is just so cute.


Source Gaming's projects . We are working really hard on collecting information and translating old Famitsu article for you guys.


I think being partly developed for Brawl helped Roy A LOT. If you think about it, we got all the Melee veterans who were dropped from Brawl's development in Smash 4.

His moveset seems to be more of a Melee throwback. I heard some people joking that Roy in Smash 4 is Marth in Melee.

Actually yeah I can really imagine that Pichu would be really popular in Japan based on his cutesy design alone. I'm not keen on our current cute to cool ratio of Pokemon (2 cute, 4 cool) so another cute one would be fine by me for sure (I suppose Ivysaur and Squirtle both qualify as cute too).

If you think about the Forbidden 7, we got Roy, Doc and Mewtwo back, but the planned character(s) to replace Pichu never actually happened, so that leaves Pichu in something of a limbo if you think about it. He never got any kind of replacement like Young Link did. Probably doesn't improve his chances but it's neat to think about.

 

[Spazzy_D]

By the way, another step in creating homebrew applications on the Wii U has been achieved:

libwiiu

Essentially, the exploit is extremely limited, and is only really usable for advance users...but it might pave the way for future exploits in the the near future.

I'd honestly love to see the Wii U cracked in the near future. The system is on it's last legs now so it wouldn't really hurt software sales (especially since so many games, such as Smash, Splatoon, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and Mario Kart have heavy online components that may require updates that could potentially brick a system) but it could actually potentially provide a small bump for hardware.

I would legitimately consider getting a second Wii U (although a PS4 would likely be a priority over that, depending on price) just to run home brew and modded games on while keeping my primary Wii U in pristine condition for online usage.

I am a big supporter of Nintendo's DLC for Smash, but it will eventually end. Smash 4 is the type of game that I believe does not need a "Project M" style mod, but it would be great to have old stages and all the cut vets (as well perhaps the Project M newcomers, whom I'm sure I will miss when not playing PM) added in via modding for local play at least.

 

[Z25]

I have to ask, why hate for PIT? BiS is good as well as SS. Dream tea, was great. One of my favorites in the series and PJ looks good now to.

 

[mark welford]

@ PushDustIn Could you give us an estimate of how long it would take to Datamine?