NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[AreJay25]

but then i'd be deciding with my wallet instead

The fate of your wallet lies in your hands.

... Or something.

 

[Burb]

For clarification, what do you mean by this:


There's not enough stand-outs? Not enough with significant popularity? Or something different maybe?

It's not that there's no candidates left; it's that I don't think there's many spots left on the roster.

Firus summed up what I meant quite nicely:

I agree. We've got 52 characters + Miis right now, which...is a lot. I know that doesn't change the fact that everybody still has a character or multiple characters they're dying to have make it in, and that there are many viable options, but the simple thing is everyone can't be pleased and multiple packs of two/three characters would push us into the 60s. I don't have a problem with that, the more the merrier tbh, but I just don't see that as a realistic possibility and I don't think we should get our hopes up about every fan fav making it in.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I don't know what I personally want.

I think at most we're getting 4 more characters and that's if the two Mario slots are pre-ballot and depends on Sakurai choosing 1 or 2 ballot winners.

At some point this man and his team have to rest, because if he keeps going Iwata will be kicking down his door about Smash NX while he's still doing Smash 4 DLC.

 

[mark welford]

I agree. We've got 52 characters + Miis right now, which...is a lot. I know that doesn't change the fact that everybody still has a character or multiple characters they're dying to have make it in, and that there are many viable options, but the simple thing is everyone can't be pleased and multiple packs of two/three characters would push us into the 60s. I don't have a problem with that, the more the merrier tbh, but I just don't see that as a realistic possibility and I don't think we should get our hopes up about every fan fav making it in.

There is one character I request and that is Wolf I don't care about other veterans or newcomers except Wolf the more the merrier but it feels empty or incomplete in a way without your character.

 

[Lucimar]

The story was good, it was the combat and the overworld system that put me off.It was a case of "just because you can doesn't mean you should" syndrome with the buttons. To do a basic attack you needed timed presses with two different buttons and the use of items instead of BP was a pain. Especially when there were so few shops.

Fair enough. PiT was my first M&L game so I had no problem with the Bros Points or buttons but I can understand why someone would.

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Still would give PiT a chance if anybody is interested in the M&L format or plans to play through the series.

 

[GreenReaperGod]

Bowser's Inside Story is the strongest M&L game in my opinion. However, many of the concepts build off of Superstar Saga so that one should be played first. I also particularly enjoyed Partners in Time, although it was weaker than the other two.

On the other hand I absolutely hated Dream Team.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

I have to ask, why hate for PIT? BiS is good as well as SS. Dream tea, was great. One of my favorites in the series and PJ looks good now to.

Pit was just boring and felt like a drag to play.I'll get a lot of hate for this but sticker star is better the game.

On an unrealted note i expect 5 more DLC characters.Unrealstic yes.it's really unrealistic.But 2 more pre-ballot characters and than 3 ballot characters just feels righ to me

 

[AreJay25]

I think expecting at least two more characters is a safe bet. People keep saying that the two Mario placeholders could be for the ballot, but what if a character gets a huge surge of votes before then? I think Sakurai's going to finish development on those two characters and then start working again sometime after October.

This does make me wonder how big Sakurai's team is, though. The fact that they were able to make Ryu as detailed as he is gives me reason to believe it's a decent size.

 

[mark welford]

How tall is Sakurai? I know it's a off topic question but I've been wondering.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Did Nintendo say there were still more titles yet to be announced?

 

[mark welford]

Did Nintendo say there were still more titles yet to be announced?

Yes at the treehouse event.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Has Sakurai even had a break since release.
If not how many years has this man been in work for.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I agree. We've got 52 characters + Miis right now, which...is a lot. I know that doesn't change the fact that everybody still has a character or multiple characters they're dying to have make it in, and that there are many viable options, but the simple thing is everyone can't be pleased and multiple packs of two/three characters would push us into the 60s. I don't have a problem with that, the more the merrier tbh, but I just don't see that as a realistic possibility and I don't think we should get our hopes up about every fan fav making it in.

People have been saying this since before Mewtwo was revealed. It went from no DLC, to we probably won't get more than Mewtwo, to just Lucas and a ballot choice, to Roy, Ryu, Mewtwo, Lucas, and two extra slots.

I'm not saying we're going to get more than 6 total characters, but "that's a lot of characters" isn't a reason against it. I've said since the game launched that we would 100% have character DLC and that, based off of DLC from other Nintendo game and other fighting games, that we would likely get 6-10 total characters, with the total probably closer to the low end than to the high end.

My predictions held up pretty well so far.

 

[PushDustIn]

On an unrelated topic...

@ PushDustIn I know you've said before that you think Nintendo is going to be done with DLC fighters for Smash after the 5 "Mario" slots are filled, meaning you think there's only 2 left, but I want to challenge that.

If I understand correctly, you're thinking they are going to stop supporting Smash 4 because they are going to move to developing Smash for the NX. Based on Reggie stating that we'll hear about the NX next year at E3, I'm under the impression they're going to announce the system then. The Wii U was announced in July 2011 at E3 but wasn't released until November 2012, with Smash coming out a full year later in November 2013. Now, I understand that they will likely not want to repeat a poor launch for it and possibly have a Smash game earlier in it's lifecycle, but this game hasn't been out particularly long yet. They make considerably more profit off of DLC per unit than they do for a main game release (3 characters and some Mii outfits for $30 is half the price of the entire product despite being like 1/20th of the content). I know not everyone buys the DLC or all of the DLC, but think about the craziness that was the release. I couldn't even get in the eShop until 4 hours after it was released. Plus, they're going to make amiibo for each DLC fighter, which at the current rate essentially prints money for them. I think the markup is something like $9-10 per unit, at least, compared to what it costs them to make it.

The Wii U's development started in 2008, but it didn't release until 2012. Even if they started development on NX immediately after Wii U's release in 2012, I'm not convinced they will release it until 2017. I know the Wii U has struggled, but even the Gamecube had a 5-6 year lifecycle from 2001 to 2006/2007. 4 years is a very short amount of time for the Wii U's life. I know, they say it's not competing with the Wii U or 3DS, but like @ Spazzy_D pointed out yesterday, they said that about the DS, also.

I think they'll support this Smash Bros. at least until Q1 2016. In that amount of time, I don't see them only giving us 2 more characters, especially with how they treated this most recent wave of DLC: making us think we only had Lucas coming, then dropping two extra characters on us at the same time.

I think it's a real possibility that we shouldn't ignore. The game has to end sometime, and creating DLC content for over a year after release is somewhat unprecedented. Most of the time studios who go that route just release a full new add-on pack.

Of course, Smash is a bit different as none of the DLC content was worked on during development, as far as we know, whereas other games (Mainly Capcom) holds off fighters for DLC that are in the game's files/ completed before the game ends development.

Also, we are reaching the point where buying all the characters alone will cost more than the base game. This could create issues with customer perception. Obviously we haven't hit it yet-- as evident by the 4 hour wait to download Ryu/Roy/Lucas. But you also need to remember they released three characters at once. Releasing three at once created more strain on the network as it tripled the number of requests. There's also the fact that not everyone bought all three. Some people may have only bought one or two characters. Probably most of us here have all three (Hell, I even bought them on the 3DS), but we have no idea what the numbers look like in total.

Smash 4 Wii U had a shorter development time than Brawl did, and they were working on two versions. The only way I could see Sakurai NOT making "Smash 4 NX" is if Iwata gives him another "Non-Smash project" like he did with Kid Icarus. However, considering his warm attitude to the series in recent months, I wouldn't be surprised if he jumps right back in. I hope for his sanity he does take a break, but Nintendo could use a Smash to help promote NX, even if it's too soon (They will release a Mario Kart NX for it too, I'm sure). Considering the lack of Wii U titles announced at E3, I'm not confident that Nintendo has confidence in the Wii U's future. It really does seem like they are gearing up for a NX/ 3DS ecosystem, even though NX is suppose to "bridge the gap" between 3DS and Wii U. Btw, I pointed out the 3DS comparison before Spazzy_D I think (Or I stole it from him, but yeah-- I definitely said the same thing)

I think hiding the characters was partly to help Nintendo's E3's conference. Ryu is a huge character to add to Smash, so it makes sense to announce him at E3. Pac-Man, Mega-Man, Sonic (first time) and Snake were all announced at E3 events. Ryu follows tradition--surprise, suprise.

Obviously I hope that Sakurai continues to add characters to Smash. It creates a lot of happiness for us, and it's enjoyable to talk about. I guess I'm just trying not to set my hopes too high.

That's actually my theory. The two N64 stages look just about done, so I'm thinking they'll be released alongside Mii Fighter Costume Wave 3 and Tournament Mode in August. Possibly a character too, since August seems like the right timing.

I think we will see a new character in August. It'll probably be the "first" ballot character.

How tall is Sakurai? I know it's a off topic question but I've been wondering.

I have the answer to this somewhere, I think. Hold on.

 

[egaddmario]

Damn, i don't like this whole two version Fire Emblem thing. Pokemon's been doing it forever, so it's somewhat justified. But Fire Emblem? That's rude af.

 

[PushDustIn]

@ mark welford

Sakurai: 171cm (5 feet 6 inches), the average height for an adult male. My weight is also average.

100 Questions for Sakurai

 

[Spazzy_D]

Here's a fun hypothetical for everyone.

We know we are getting 3 new N64 stages (well, two more as we already have Dream Land 64.)

If they were to take a similar path and do 3 stage DLC from both Brawl and Melee what stages would you want? Remember that the stages would be shared with both versions so overly complicated or large stages probably wouldn't work.

 

[TheAnvil]

So? They're not just gonna go and add every character who gets a lot of requests.

I think more than 3 is unrealistic, and 3 is pushing it as is. I'm pretty sure it'll be 2 at most.

I honestly think the number of characters we're getting depends completely on how many veterans they want to bring back. We aren't getting tons more newcomers, I don't expect more than 2, at most.

 

[mark welford]

@ mark welford

100 Questions for Sakurai

He's a hard working little man I'm taller than him by 2 inches and I probably outweigh by a lot and here's a little fun fact Sakurai and my mom were born in the same month and year August 1970

 

[AreJay25]

Here's a fun hypothetical for everyone.

We know we are getting 3 new N64 stages (well, two more as we already have Dream Land 64.)

If they were to take a similar path and do 3 stage DLC from both Brawl and Melee what stages would you want? Remember that the stages would be shared with both versions so overly complicated or large stages probably wouldn't work.

Melee: Fountain of Dreams, Pokemon Stadium 1, Fourside

Brawl: Err... Kinda hard to say when most of the stages I liked from Brawl are already in the game.
Edit: Oh forgot Pirate Ship. How'd I forget that stage?

 

[dkkrang95]

Here's a fun hypothetical for everyone.

We know we are getting 3 new N64 stages (well, two more as we already have Dream Land 64.)

If they were to take a similar path and do 3 stage DLC from both Brawl and Melee what stages would you want? Remember that the stages would be shared with both versions so overly complicated or large stages probably wouldn't work.

I'd want Fountain of Dreams, Fourside, and Mushroom Kingdom 2 from Melee and Spear Pillar, Pirate Ship, and Mario Bros. from Brawl.

 

[egaddmario]

Here's a fun hypothetical for everyone.

We know we are getting 3 new N64 stages (well, two more as we already have Dream Land 64.)

If they were to take a similar path and do 3 stage DLC from both Brawl and Melee what stages would you want? Remember that the stages would be shared with both versions so overly complicated or large stages probably wouldn't work.

Fountain of Dream, Great Bay, and Fourside come to mind immediately. I honestly don't think we need any from Brawl considering the base game has so many...

EDIT: Dat Fountain of Dreams/Fourside Hivemind.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Damn, i don't like this whole two version Fire Emblem thing. Pokemon's been doing it forever, so it's somewhat justified. But Fire Emblem? That's rude af.

Its really annoying because unlike pokemon it seems like its 2 stories. I guess that makes it more reasonable but it means i miss more content :/

Here's a fun hypothetical for everyone.

We know we are getting 3 new N64 stages (well, two more as we already have Dream Land 64.)

If they were to take a similar path and do 3 stage DLC from both Brawl and Melee what stages would you want? Remember that the stages would be shared with both versions so overly complicated or large stages probably wouldn't work.

*pokefloats joke goes here*

Melee peach's castle (again), Great Bay, Yoshi's story (aka the good melee yoshi stage)

Brawl
errrrrrr I guess

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Here's a fun hypothetical for everyone.

We know we are getting 3 new N64 stages (well, two more as we already have Dream Land 64.)

If they were to take a similar path and do 3 stage DLC from both Brawl and Melee what stages would you want? Remember that the stages would be shared with both versions so overly complicated or large stages probably wouldn't work.

Fountain of dreams,Great bay,Fourside
or

 

[aldelaro5]

They played it during the Treehouse, it's an RPG. Why would they cross over two RPG sereis and not make it an RPG that's like crossing over two of Platforming's giants in a sports... wait...

oh he talked about M&L?

I thought he talked about SS.....

 

[PushDustIn]

Just found this quote:

"If we started for Wii U now, it would likely take three years or so. So it would likely now be on Nintendo's NX console," he said.

Source
Wii U has >3 years left.
Nov 2012 - 2016? 2017? 2018? (if I'm being generous)
4-6 years. Yeah the Wii U is going to be like the Gamecube @DMurr

Here's a fun hypothetical for everyone.

We know we are getting 3 new N64 stages (well, two more as we already have Dream Land 64.)

If they were to take a similar path and do 3 stage DLC from both Brawl and Melee what stages would you want? Remember that the stages would be shared with both versions so overly complicated or large stages probably wouldn't work.

Mostly agree with @ A Distant Demon
Expect, it would be Shadow Moses, Electroplankton and Pirate Ship for Brawl.

 

[aldelaro5]

Paper Jam is not a Paper Mario game.

It is a Mario & Luigi game with Paper Mario characters and elements.



I think even the kids know that an Assist Trophy isn't going to randomly be made a playable character, and if it were to miraculously happen, it wouldn't be a low-demand character like Midna.



I'm one of the people who thought Wolf would be higher priority. In hindsight, it should've been obvious that Lucas would get in over him; after all, Lucas was put in Brawl first while Wolf was a late addition to the roster according to the internal listing of characters and the fact that Wolf has no role in SSE.

And while I was on the boat of people who thought Roy had no chance due to the high number of FE characters already on the roster and the fact that we already had a Marth clone, I didn't ever think the Ice Climbers were more likely to be DLC. In all honesty, I think the Ice Climbers are probably the least likely besides Snake. I firmly believe that if they were a possibility, they would've been in the base game.

I know that....this has been established by me like 15 times yeaterday.

But I still think it;s like a transition.....

 

[Spazzy_D]

People saying Brawl doesn't have any stages need to realize how desperately the game needs Pirate Ship. I also really like Frigate Orphean, but after that? Eh, Mario Bros. I guess. I actually want New Pork for 8 player matches (Chimera would be gone, it would be easy to see platforms in HD, and the huge size would be beneficial in that mode) but I can't see it happening on 3DS.

Fountain of Dream, Great Bay, and Fourside come to mind immediately. I honestly don't think we need any from Brawl considering the base game has so many...

EDIT: Dat Fountain of Dreams/Fourside Hivemind.

Exactly my answer for Melee, although I would love Rainbow Cruise, Pokemon Stadium 1, and Peach's Castle as well. I also have a weird soft spot for Big Blue... it's such a different stage.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I do think that Nintendo is getting a little greedy with concepts.

The two Fire Emblem games if you want to play both sides of the story.

Amiibo Festival requires amiibos.

Not sure if you can really play Happy Home Designer much without the use of amiibo cards.

I think the new found amiibo greedness with AC is actually more foreboding though.

Do you know hard it is going to be to get those amiibos/cards? Harder than Rosalina, Meta Knight, Villager, Little Mac, and Wii Fit Trainer combined.

Isabelle in particular is going to be hellacious to find.

 

[SlickWylde]

Is the Miiverse stage only 2 players? It seems like it. Either that or it just has weird restrictions on when you can play it?

 

[IceBreakerXY]

I do think that Nintendo is getting a little greedy with concepts.

The two Fire Emblem games if you want to play both sides of the story.

Amiibo Festival requires amiibos.

Not sure if you can really play Happy Home Designer much without the use of amiibo cards.

I think the new found amiibo greedness with AC is actually more foreboding though.

Do you know hard it is going to be to get those amiibos/cards? Harder than Rosalina, Meta Knight, Villager, Little Mac, and Wii Fit Trainer combined.

Isabelle in particular is going to be hellacious to find.

i thought FE:Fates was being put into one game over here?Was that rumor false

 

[PushDustIn]

I do think that Nintendo is getting a little greedy with concepts.

The two Fire Emblem games if you want to play both sides of the story.

Amiibo Festival requires amiibos.

Not sure if you can really play Happy Home Designer much without the use of amiibo cards.

I think the new found amiibo greedness with AC is actually more foreboding though.

Do you know hard it is going to be to get those amiibos/cards? Harder than Rosalina, Meta Knight, Little Mac, and Wii Fit Trainer combined.

Isabelle in particular is going to be hellacious to find.

Actually, I think the cards will be a lot easier than the figures as they can stock a TON at each store for little cost. The amiibos? Good luck.

Im sure amiibo Festival will come with a random amiibo.

And I completely agree. Splitting up the FE game is greedy. You can buy everything for something like 80 dollars in Japan. Insane.

 

[AreJay25]

Is the Miiverse stage only 2 players? It seems like it. Either that or it just has weird restrictions on when you can play it?

Err, no? I know it can't be played online.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Is the Miiverse stage only 2 players? It seems like it. Either that or it just has weird restrictions on when you can play it?

I've played it with 4 players before.

 

[Burb]

I honestly think the number of characters we're getting depends completely on how many veterans they want to bring back. We aren't getting tons more newcomers, I don't expect more than 2, at most.

Sakurai's wording during the Roy and Lucas segment of the stream on Sunday makes me think veteran DLC is finished.

I know that....this has been established by me like 15 times yeaterday.

But I still think it;s like a transition.....

It's not a transition. Intelligent Systems isn't even making it. It's 100% AlphaDream.

 

[Naoshi]

I do think that Nintendo is getting a little greedy with concepts.

The two Fire Emblem games if you want to play both sides of the story.

Amiibo Festival requires amiibos.

Not sure if you can really play Happy Home Designer much without the use of amiibo cards.

I think the new found amiibo greedness with AC is actually more foreboding though.

Do you know hard it is going to be to get those amiibos/cards? Harder than Rosalina, Meta Knight, Villager, Little Mac, and Wii Fit Trainer combined.

Isabelle in particular is going to be hellacious to find.

What?! Isabelle is probably going to be super easy if anything. She's popular and pretty much a mascot for the series now.

Sakurai's wording during the Roy and Lucas segment of the stream on Sunday makes me think veteran DLC is finished.

What did he say?

 

[A Distant Demon]

Spoiler: 4 player miiverse

FE sacred stones may be on the way to the shop. possibly
http://gonintendo.com/stories/236162-fire-emblem-the-sacred-stones-gets-esrb-rating-for-wii-u-vc


I remember a rumor that buying FE IF on eshop would be both versions combined. good times

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Actually, I think the cards will be a lot easier than the figures as they can stock a TON at each store for little cost. The amiibos? Good luck.

My thing with the cards is. Are they going to operate like the Pokemon cards for that game?

Do they just have random characters in a pack? Because that's..that's going to be supremely greedy.

Especially if they make the more beloved characters rarer than common villagers, etc.

 

[AreJay25]

My thing with the cards is. Are they going to operate like the Pokemon cards for that game?

Do they just have random characters in a pack? Because that's..that's going to be supremely greedy.

Especially if they make the more beloved characters rarer than common villagers, etc.

There's no way they'll do that. That's just bad press waiting to happen.

 

[Burb]

What did he say?

Just press play, it'll go straight to it.