Espirit d'escalier
SWORD vs SWORD
OOT Ganon: In OOT, Ganondorf had his "Dark Sword", which appears to be the result of a Claymore and a Great Axe mating...
This sword is VERY large and VERY heavy, being about as tall as Ike, coming to Ganon's shoulder.
But he never actually used the Darksword, or a sword for that matter, in the games. The only time he used a sword was in the manga, and that sword wasn't any different from your average b@stard-sword ( just like TP's ganon sword.) Just look for yourself:
http://www.onemanga.com/The_Legend_...t stupid gamecube technical demo back in 2000
TP Ganon: In TP, Ganon has a different approach to swordplay. He relies more on skill than brute force (even though he still uses it). His sword relfects this in it's leaner look, being more along the lines of a Marth-style blade, but still being slightly heavy.
No problem here.
WW Ganon: Ganon takes a slight twist in this variation by using two quick blades to do the job of one strong one. The two swords are fast and strong, while not having the power of the other two variations alone, used together (and with ganon;s strength) they can be just as deadly.
No prob.
Ragnel: Ike's sword is heavy, long and powerful, as well as having decent speed for it's size. It seems to have a nice balance between it's assets, with it's only weakness being some cooldown between swings, and an inabilaty to stab.
If you are giving Ganon all of his agility and strenght from his games, why not give Ike his strenght too? He is buffed and is very strong, while still keeping his mass to the minimum. strong enough to use the sword one handed with some cool-down, or two handed with no cool-down. Just look at hisSstance here. (Last cutscene)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8isJgYkSIHQ&feature=related
THE EDGE:
GANONDORF:
Ganon takes the Weapon Round 2 to 1:
OOT: The Dark Sword vs Ragnell, the Dark Sword is like the Ragnel's mean older brother: the two swords will have a battle of weight, size and strength, which the dark Sword beats Ragnel on each level. Especcially since it has the range advantage on the Ragnel, which Ike desperatley needs.
No Darksword.
On an added note, If Ike tries to block the massive sword, with Ganon's powerful striking force, his arm/hand will most likely break, ending it then and there.
Ike's sword may have a bit more speed, but the positives of Ganon's simply outweigh that considering how small of a gap it really is.
Also, you did not take into consideration speed and kinetic energy. The faster strike will have more strenght than the slow attack. Fast attack+weight of ragnell that equals that of the darksword actually makes Ike's sword strikes stronger than Ganon's strikes. Also, Ganon's bones would be the ones to break because of the superior wiighth of Ike's attacks.
TP: Ike takes this matchup. Simply put, Ganon's TP sword is simply out matched by the Ragnel in nearly all ways. Speed doesnt even matter since it cannot over come the range gap. (It is significantly shorter than Ragnel)
Ganon'sfaster strikes would actually make the sword strikes stronger, but the sword it's still a lot lighter than Ragnell, making it somewhat flawed ayway.
WW: Ganon takes this as well, due to his ability to counter ike with a second sword.
At first, it seems like Ike should take this. But at a closer look, the two swords WW Ganon weilds are seemingly thinner versions of his TP sword.
That is, if ike does not break those very slim swords with his strikes. They are very thin, and the weight of Ike's attacks would probably break them and would do little to stop ike's attacks considering their very little witgth and the weight of Ike's attacks.
Focusing on speed, Ganon can simply manipulate ike's Ragnel with one, and finish Ike with the other, using his herculean strength to fend off Ike with one of teh swords to set up the other.
See above. The swords would break or simply wouldn't do much to stop the strike.
ARMOR
Ganon's armor varies greatly between his variations.
OOT: Steel Shoulder pads and chest piece, as well as plated gloves. Body Covered in studded/heavy leather.
TP: Steel plating in most areas except head/thighs. A decent trade-off considering he has the worse weapon in the matchup.
WW: No armor, just a robe.
Ike: Steel plate armor on almost all of his body except his sword arm and head
THE EDGE:
IKE:
Ike takes this 2 to 1
OOT: Simply put, Steel Plating is better than heavy/studded leather in a matchup of very powerful swords
TP: Ganon has more steel plating than Ike (both arms, and a neck-cover) with it technically being bigger plates due to his size.
WW: Ike takes this hands down. WW doesn't even have armor.
SKILL
All three Ganons are very skilled with their weaponary, with OOT Being a little less so, but having a fantastic sword to make up for it, and TP having the most skill, but having a weaker sword (comparitavley).
Ike is considered the premiere sowrdsman of his world, being an expert at his style of heavy-swordsmanship.
THE EDGE:
DRAW:
Ike may be the best swordsman of his realm, but Ganon is no slouch, with an expertise in using his own style (per weaponary) to gain control of the fight.
Technically speaking, Ike may be supreme at his ragnel, but its equal to Ganon being adapt to his better Dark Sword.
No darksword. Only a b@stard sword.
Ganon has the same level of mastery with his TP Sword as Ike does his Ragnel, being able to expertly wield it without issue.
As for WW, Ganon's style will counter Ike's due to having a second sword.
See above. Scimithars aren't even defensive swords. If he wants to win He should actually be on the offensive, and they still wouldn't do much because they are cutting sword, not bludgeoning swords. They wouldn't do anything to Ike's armor.
(for those keeping count, this round was Ike-> Even -> Ganon, resulting in a draw)
PHYSIQUE
Ike is well built, young and athletic, as well as being very strong. he is fairly tall and muscular as well.
Ganondorf on the other hand is allways portrayed as a massive individual, with staggering height.
In his OOT Incarnation, he is extremeley physically fit, and more than a match for Ike, In TP, he seems a bit less fit, but still imposing. WW Ganon seems fat...but still is able to move quickly and powerfully.
In OoT, he has the same physique as Ike, and in the case of the other two ganons, their added mass would make them a lot slower.
THE EDGE:
GANONDORF:
Ike may be more athletic and toned, but Ganon is simply a monster. In all three versions mentioned he is large, fairly nimble and exeedingly strong.
Just like Ike is nimble and very strong. The fact that you keep Ganon's strenght but ignore Ike's strenght baffles me. Also, OoT Ganon's musculature is just like Ike's and WW Ganon is fat and old. TP's ganon would actually be the stronger ganon realistically because his body type is like that of the strongest men on earth,(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Bonk&alexeev.jpg) but then his speed would be severely hindered because of the added mass.
Ike is of course nimbler, but he isnt stronger or larger, ridding him of a range/power advantage over Ganon, which he needs to rely on with a weapon like Ragnel.
That being said, Ike's agility over Ganon could be a factor. Ike could take advantage over Ganon if he misses, yet on that note Ganon is swift enough to return the favor.
Being stronger/bigger/able to keep up with Ike (small gap in speeds) tips the scales in Ganon's favor this round.
Realistically, only OoT's ganon would actually be able to keep up with Ike's speed. WW is old and fat, which would absolutely make him slower on the real life. ( and realistically, old, fat men are never as fast as the young ones, unlike awhat anime tells you) and TP's ganon added mass would make him MUCH slower
SYNOPSIS
This match is close, I mean exceeedingly close....but, Im gonna give the bout a true deadliest warrior ratio:
Out of 1000 bouts, the scales are tipped..... 520/480...
GANONDORF:
Ganon is simply like the mean older brother of Ike, who can kinda just beat him up.
The matchup is heavily based on punishment, with either party missing equating to a death, seeing as with the weaponary involved, even steel plating wont prevent broken bones with the heavy **** being swung by these two power-house combatants.
Ike has been said to prevail due to his speed, and that is only true for the TP Matchup, which he wins. here is a breakdown of each fight:
IKE VS OOT: In this bout Ike has no advantages. Range? Darksword has him beat. Power? Darksword got him beat. Speed? Ganon can match him. Ike's only savign grace is his better armor, which may prevent a one-hot kill from ganon, with Ganon;s leather armor not providing the same protection. The fight goes to Ganon regardless due to sheer power on his part, which Ike cannot overcome.
No darksword. And OoT ganon has the same physique as Ike and that would make Ganon struggle with his sword too, and because of the weight of the hyphotetical Darksword, would actually make his attacks both slow and weaker than Ikes', that have both superior speed and strenght.
IKE VS TP: This is the fight where Ike turns the tables. Ganon is heavily outmatched weapon-wise. Even if it is swifter, it simply cannot match the range and power of Ragnel, and has no hopes of really blocking it. Ganon's saving grace in this match is his superior armor, allowing him to take at least 1 hit before being vanquished....yet the same goes for Ike.
Broadswords were especially made to kill knights in heavy armor. A single hit from Ike's sword would break ganon's bones and damage his organs because of the massive weight this weapns have. Armor does nothing.
IKE VS WW: In this match, Ganon is able to work around Ike's one sword, using two of his own. Applying his attriubutes stated earlier to quicker, dynamic weaponary should be able to easily block/parry ragnel while killing with the second. Ike's saving grace here is that in this form Ganon has NO ARMOR, making him very easily killed should Ike get a hit in.
Which wouldn't be all that hard. Lack of mobility because of added mass and a weapons that wouldn't take a blow from Ike's sword would make this battle easy for Ike, while ganon would struggle to get a hit on Ike's small, unprotected areas.
Over all, in all three possible macthups, Ganon has the advantage in two, with the TP bout going in Ike's favor. All three are also fairly close, with Ike being able to more easily kill Ganon in the OOT and WW matchups (but be killed easier himself) and both parties having trouble landing the killing blow in the TP match.
In the WW match-up, Ganon would be the one struggling to both take Ike's attacks AND land a klling blow. OoT ganon would struggle more than Ike with the hyphotetical Darksword. Also, TP ganon wouldn't take an attack from Ike's sword because his weapon was especially made to countr opponent's in armor.
In the end however, Ganon's sheer brute force combined with superior weaponary, reach and the speed gap being just narrow enough to not play a huge roll earns him the title of the deadliest warrior.
I rest my case.
