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[DrifloonEmpire]

I'm not sure but I think you're in the wrong thread

That's Ember, probably should've mentioned that ^^;

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Really cool video essay about NASB2, first video I've seen about this game that isn't just a backhanded screech of "THIS ONE'S THE GOOD ONE, I SWEAR!"

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Spoiler: Potential leak

Found this by reading some random NASB Twitter posts, does anyone know if the screenshot is legit and in correct context? Obviously the caption is speculation/wishlisting. If it is legit, I hope it isn't Lincoln at least.

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[HyperSomari64]

Spoiler: Potential leak

Found this by reading some random NASB Twitter posts, does anyone know if the screenshot is legit and in correct context? Obviously the caption is speculation/wishlisting. If it is legit, I hope it isn't Lincoln at least.

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I was going to make a post about The Loud House Revamped a few days ago.

 

[RileyXY1]

If this is true, this confirms that there will be a second DLC pass, and at least one of the characters in it will be from TLH.

 

[HyperSomari64]

If this is true, this confirms that there will be a second DLC pass, and at least one of the characters in it will be from TLH.

Or the pass being all Loud House.

 

[Opossum]

Spoiler: Potential leak

Found this by reading some random NASB Twitter posts, does anyone know if the screenshot is legit and in correct context? Obviously the caption is speculation/wishlisting. If it is legit, I hope it isn't Lincoln at least.

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I don't even know which discord server this even supposedly came from honestly. I'll be waiting with you for more info lol.

 

[LimeTH]

Spoiler: Potential leak

Found this by reading some random NASB Twitter posts, does anyone know if the screenshot is legit and in correct context? Obviously the caption is speculation/wishlisting. If it is legit, I hope it isn't Lincoln at least.

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Spoiler

If this person is legit then we can be certain we’re getting another DLC pack. It having at least one Loud character sounds realistic enough to me as opposed to a pack 100% full of heavily requested characters.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Spoiler: Potential leak

Found this by reading some random NASB Twitter posts, does anyone know if the screenshot is legit and in correct context? Obviously the caption is speculation/wishlisting. If it is legit, I hope it isn't Lincoln at least.

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I damn well hope it's Linc. If we got double dip on Avatar in the DLC pass then I can see us getting Linc + one of his sisters in a theoretical second pass.

Or the pass being all Loud House.

Lincoln, Luan, Lynn Jr. then throw Flip in there for a curveball pick

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Spoiler: Potential leak

Found this by reading some random NASB Twitter posts, does anyone know if the screenshot is legit and in correct context? Obviously the caption is speculation/wishlisting. If it is legit, I hope it isn't Lincoln at least.

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Well, I can't for sure say it's legitimate; I apparently share two servers on Discord with the guy in the screenshot; I'm not gonna randomly roll up and send a friend request over it. I'll say this though: the dude is not very talkative in the servers we do share (both of which as NASB related) and that's not his profile picture (though with Nitro you can set unique profile pictures for different servers; though their profile picture is the same in both servers. It could be an old screenshot, but I checked their post history and they've never said this in either server.

It's also interesting they'd directly mention Cherry, who is a community leader for the NASB community. I do actually have Cherry in my contacts as well, but I'd rather not bug him about this if I can avoid it; he didn't respond to the tweet, which is notably also locked to only receive responses from people who the OP deems appropriate.

I'd personally wager on this being wishful thinking - the account posting it is very clearly one of... well, for lack of a better term, one of those "stan fictional character" accounts. Nothing wrong with that, but they tend to not exactly have accurate information in these kinds of scenarios.

 

[RileyXY1]

Well, I can't for sure say it's legitimate; I apparently share two servers on Discord with the guy in the screenshot; I'm not gonna randomly roll up and send a friend request over it. I'll say this though: the dude is not very talkative in the servers we do share (both of which as NASB related) and that's not his profile picture (though with Nitro you can set unique profile pictures for different servers; though their profile picture is the same in both servers. It could be an old screenshot, but I checked their post history and they've never said this in either server.

It's also interesting they'd directly mention Cherry, who is a community leader for the NASB community. I do actually have Cherry in my contacts as well, but I'd rather not bug him about this if I can avoid it; he didn't respond to the tweet, which is notably also locked to only receive responses from people who the OP deems appropriate.

I'd personally wager on this being wishful thinking - the account posting it is very clearly one of... well, for lack of a better term, one of those "stan fictional character" accounts. Nothing wrong with that, but they tend to not exactly have accurate information in these kinds of scenarios.

So I guess this is fake then.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Hoo boy.

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[Capybara Gaming]

Some potentially damning news for the prospect of future NASB2 DLC, though I wouldn't say it's a final coffin nail. Simon Götborg, lead combat designer for NASB2, was let go back in January, with GameMill citing the reason that they weren't seeing the Return on Investment they needed to justify development at this scale, though the wording he specifically received was "we don't have any further work for you at the moment." There could be other reasons they didn't cite - workplace politics, feeling that other people were more qualified for the job, etc. - but it's not a good sign for those of us wanting more content. Though, considering they are still developing characters and stages thus far, maybe they're satisfied with the state of the core system and felt they didn't need a head for that team, or perhaps future character kits were already decided; but I wouldn't put money on it.

This series deserves a better publisher than GameMill. Maybe instead of pumping out the ****ty Kong and Walking Dead games last year they could've used that budget to fund the only games worth buying from them?? Wishful thinking, I know.

Damn bruh I got ninja'd

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Maybe instead of pumping out the ****ty Kong and Walking Dead games last year they could've used that budget to fund the only games worth buying from them??

Or they could've given budget to those games to make them worth playing as well, you know.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Or they could've given budget to those games to make them worth playing as well, you know.

This is GameMill we're talking about. Their games are notorious for being some of the worst in the industry. I'd rather them not exist and allocate funds to a project worth investing in. Even then, neither of those IPs are anywhere near their prime time for games, and nobody's asking for more of them, whereas at least NASB had some hype behind it. When was the last time you heard someone asking for a Walking Dead game after Telltale shut down?

If you're not going to make a game worth playing, then don't make it at all. Allocate your funds more wisely.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I'd rather them not exist and allocate funds to a project worth investing in

If you're not going to make a game worth playing, then don't make it at all. Allocate your funds more wisely.

That is such a terrible take. All games inherently have equal value (not speaking monitarily), as every game will appeal to one person out there, and every game had hard work done on it that either could be used in portfolios or be appreciated detached from its context (see Tim and Geoff Follin's NES OSTs for example). Quality is a social construct and cannot truly be objectively measured - we, as a society, have decided we like Ocarina of Time more than Cheetahmen 2, that doesn't mean it really is "better" or has more reason to exist. Not to mention that Kong, specifically, is a game that brought a lot of people joy through memes. The only real argument for a game not getting to exist in any form is lowering crunch culture, but at that point basically every corporate-published game ever should be eradicated and nobody would have a job.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Quality is a social construct and cannot truly be objectively measured - we, as a society, have decided we like Ocarina of Time more than Cheetahmen 2, that doesn't mean it really is "better" or has more reason to exist.

This is the last I'm saying on the matter, but yes, a game that functions properly is objectively better than a game that is held together on pre-chewed bubblegum and dollar store scotch tape. This is an awful take.

I know you have some deep-seated need to white knight things that are hated for some reason. I've tried my damnedest to be cordial with you, I admit that I've had my problems too, but you are trying to start an argument with me and I'm asking you, one person to another, to stop.

I would rather the people in the industry get to work on something they are proud of instead of dime-store schlock. I think that's a pretty reasonable take. Do you actually for a second think the people putting Kong together had a shred of passion for what they were doing? Or that the people who made your beloved Chex Quest were doing more than just earning a paycheck? I want games made by people who give a ****, who are enjoying what they make, not just using the license they paid for to try and turn a cheap profit. If that means less games as a whole come out, so ****ing be it. So no, I don't think Kong or Walking Dead should exist. The one saving grace I'll offer them is I'd rather they exist than Cryptoscam Temple Run or Alex Jones' Metal Slug clone, but that's not exactly saying much.

I am in the privileged position of working a job I like - something that deeply helped with my mental health. I want everyone to get to say this, to have more to work than just earning a paycheck.

You think I'm extreme, but you're extreme in the direct opposite direction. Objective quality does exist. Subjective quality also exists. Learn the difference.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Do you actually for a second think the people putting Kong together had a shred of passion for what they were doing? Or that the people who made your beloved Chex Quest were doing more than just earning a paycheck? I want games made by people who give a ****, who are enjoying what they make, not just using the license they paid for to try and turn a cheap profit.

You are on a thread about Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl - look in the mirror, this is literally how the entire gaming world percieves that game. "Passionless", "Embarassment", those are words I've seen said about NASB1 many a time - By seeing merit in any NASB game, be it 1 or 2, you are abiding by the same school of thought that sees merit in Action 52.

You claim to be concerned about the dignity of game devs, yet you put your opinions into their mouths? You tell yourself that the devs of Kong MUST have been passionless about King Kong and embarassed by the final game, but the facts say otherwise. (source)

Also why do you think I'm obessed with chex quest. i mentioned it in passing once and infinite and have only ever mentioned it since when you've brought it up

 

[Capybara Gaming]

You are on a thread about Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl - look in the mirror, this is literally how the entire gaming world percieves that game. "Passionless", "Embarassment", those are words I've seen said about NASB1 many a time - By seeing merit in any NASB game, be it 1 or 2, you are abiding by the same school of thought that sees merit in Action 52.

You claim to be concerned about the dignity of game devs, yet you put your opinions into their mouths? You tell yourself that the devs of Kong MUST have been passionless about King Kong and embarassed by the final game, but the facts say otherwise. (source)
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Also why do you think I'm obessed with chex quest. i mentioned it in passing once and infinite and have only ever mentioned it since when you've brought it up

Well obviously they can't say "yeah this game we made is **** we just did it for a paycheck" that looks bad and they probably would get fired for saying it, have some common sense.

I guess we should just take everyone at their word, now?

"Well, I wasn't gonna vote for that guy, but he said he cares about me, so he must be telling the truth!"

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Well obviously they can't say "yeah this game we made is **** we just did it for a paycheck" that looks bad and they probably would get fired for saying it, have some common sense.

I guess we should just take everyone at their word, now?

"Well, I wasn't gonna vote for that guy, but he said he cares about me, so he must be telling the truth!"

That is a really ****ed up mentality - you have no right to put words in others' mouths when it comes to opinion, especially when they were there and you weren't - this is not a political campaign, it is a game dev expressing their thoughts on a project they worked on. Also, even if Kong was just a paycheck project... why is that a bad thing? You gotta get those paychecks somehow, not everyone can be Bill Watterson, no shame in doing something for the check, especially if - as the article mentions - it's with the intent of gaining funding to do original passion projects with less restrictions.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

That is a really ****ed up mentality - you have no right to put words in others' mouths when it comes to opinion, especially when they were there and you weren't - this is not a political campaign, it is a game dev expressing their thoughts on a project they worked on. Also, even if Kong was just a paycheck project... why is that a bad thing? You gotta get those paychecks somehow, not everyone can be Bill Watterson, no shame in doing something for the check, especially if - as the article mentions - it allows funding to do original passion projects with less restrictions.

And you have no right to talk about objective vs. subjective when you clearly don't understand the difference between them.

I am not saying that they should not make money off of their work, I'm saying GameMill as a company should have the integrity to make something worth making and giving their devs the freedom to make something of quality. Pay them more to have more time to make better product. We deserve better and the devs deserve to have their name on something that will actually help them get somewhere in life. If - IF - they are legitimately proud of what they made, then more power to them - but the fact remains what they made is panned and that will prevent them from better job opportunities in the future. You don't get to work for Microsoft or Nintendo by working on mediocre cashgrabs that will be forgotten quicker than they took to make.

Sony does crunch but at least their products have a standard of quality
GameMill does crunch and puts out garbage, which reflects badly on the people who work there, on top of most likely making less. It's a lose/lose situation for those devs. If they allocated their funds towards better products instead of this pump-and-dump ****, then they wouldn't have such an awful reputation and be one of the many laughingstocks of the industry.

The very article you linked says this:
"Many employees we reached out to refused to speak on the record for fear GameMill would stop contracting the studio."

“It’s a love/hate relationship because they are the ones who accept or give the projects and Iguanabee doesn’t have the means to develop almost anything on its own because well, money."

"They described it as a vicious cycle. Though the studio wants to make original games, it needs money to fund those projects. But the only money coming in is from publishers like GameMill to make licensed games. Then, with predominantly licensed games in its portfolio, the studios are only approached by publishers who want to make even more licensed games."

They don't have time to make passion projects because all their work is shovelware trash.

I'm done. I'm not going in circles with you anymore.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I am not saying that they should not make money off of their work, I'm saying GameMill as a company should have the integrity to make something worth making and giving their devs the freedom to make something of quality. Pay them more to have more time to make better product. We deserve better and the devs deserve to have their name on something that will actually help them get somewhere in life. If - IF - they are legitimately proud of what they made, then more power to them - but the fact remains what they made is panned and that will prevent them from better job opportunities in the future. You don't get to work for Microsoft or Nintendo by working on mediocre cashgrabs that will be forgotten quicker than they took to make.

Your original argument was that the Walking Dead and Kong games do not deserve to exist whatsoever due to your perception of the IPs, and any funding for them should've been funned into NASB2 on virtue of you percieving it to be of a higher quality, not that they were underfunded. I am not defending GameMill, I am defending the right for a King Kong or non-Telltale Walking Dead game to even exist.

They don't have time to make passion projects because all their work is shovelware trash.

Yet again, you are treating objective good and bad as existant within gaming in any form, that some games are inherently trash and will be seen by all as such, while others will not - if anything, I get the vibe from your statement - or at least the specific use of the word "trash" - that being inable to work on a passion project is "karmic" after making shovelware titles and not an unfortunate circumstance. I am going to link this again, start at 12:34 if you want the relevant part.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Your original argument was that the Walking Dead and Kong games do not deserve to exist whatsoever due to your perception of the IPs, and any funding for them should've been funned into NASB2 on virtue of you percieving it to be of a higher quality, not that they were underfunded. I am not defending GameMill, I am defending the right for a King Kong or non-Telltale Walking Dead game to even exist.

So just say it like that then. You misinterpreted my take in the first place. I don't personally care about Kong or Walking Dead, but I'm not saying a game shouldn't exist, just that it should be made with love and care by someone who respects the IP. As for the funding itself, yes, if the money is going to be spent on something, I would rather it go to the one thing that I subjectively think is good as opposed to them taking a fat dump on another series legacy that some people love. That is the crux of what I was trying to say. Hell, I would argue that Kong and non-TT Walking Dead games absolutely have the right to exist - when made with care. I want every game to be made with care, because that's when we get something truly exceptional.

if anything, I get the vibe from your statement - or at least the specific use of the word "trash" - that being inable to work on a passion project is "karmic" after making shovelware titles and not an unfortunate circumstance.

That is absolutely not what I am saying. I'm saying that I want the devs to work on something they can be genuinely proud of. Unfortunate circumstance is exactly what it is. Those games are objectively not good because they are not finished, and it's clear to everyone that they are not done. They weren't given the time, budget, or amount of love needed to make a good game, and that fault - frankly lies on the IP holder, mostly, but also on GameMill for accepting the budget granted for a project they knew would be a slap-dash job. It's not the devs' fault they weren't given the budget they needed, and I would never blame them for the fault of their ****ty bosses.

I am stepping away to cool off now. Good day, sir.

 

[fogbadge]

both of you need to stop. who's the mod for this section? we need them to step in here

Sony does crunch but at least their products have a standard of quality

there are no but when it comes to crunch culture

 

[LimeTH]

So just say it like that then. You misinterpreted my take in the first place. I don't personally care about Kong or Walking Dead, but I'm not saying a game shouldn't exist, just that it should be made with love and care by someone who respects the IP. As for the funding itself, yes, if the money is going to be spent on something, I would rather it go to the one thing that I subjectively think is good as opposed to them taking a fat dump on another series legacy that some people love. That is the crux of what I was trying to say. Hell, I would argue that Kong and non-TT Walking Dead games absolutely have the right to exist - when made with care. I want every game to be made with care, because that's when we get something truly exceptional.



That is absolutely not what I am saying. I'm saying that I want the devs to work on something they can be genuinely proud of. Unfortunate circumstance is exactly what it is. Those games are objectively not good because they are not finished, and it's clear to everyone that they are not done. They weren't given the time, budget, or amount of love needed to make a good game, and that fault - frankly lies on the IP holder, mostly, but also on GameMill for accepting the budget granted for a project they knew would be a slap-dash job. It's not the devs' fault they weren't given the budget they needed, and I would never blame them for the fault of their ****ty bosses.

I am stepping away to cool off now. Good day, sir.

Bad games are never made bad on purpose. It can be any number of factors (budget, restrictions, tech limitations), but sometimes a passionately made bad game can still have passion behind it.

 

[RileyXY1]

Does this mean this is it for NASB, like we're not getting more DLC or even a third game?

 

[Opossum]

Does this mean this is it for NASB, like we're not getting more DLC or even a third game?

It doesn't mean anything definitively beyond them downsizing the team, which we were already aware of.

 

[RileyXY1]

It doesn't mean anything definitively beyond them downsizing the team, which we were already aware of.

OK. I just got concerned for a moment, especially with there not being any leaks of KR4 existing, which makes me fear that Nick is gonna stop doing crossover games entirely.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Some potentially damning news for the prospect of future NASB2 DLC, though I wouldn't say it's a final coffin nail. Simon Götborg, lead combat designer for NASB2, was let go back in January, with GameMill citing the reason that they weren't seeing the Return on Investment they needed to justify development at this scale, though the wording he specifically received was "we don't have any further work for you at the moment." There could be other reasons they didn't cite - workplace politics, feeling that other people were more qualified for the job, etc. - but it's not a good sign for those of us wanting more content. Though, considering they are still developing characters and stages thus far, maybe they're satisfied with the state of the core system and felt they didn't need a head for that team, or perhaps future character kits were already decided; but I wouldn't put money on it.

Quick question, which development team was he on, Ludocity or Fair Play Labs? If it was the former, it lines up with my theory that the Ludocity side was brought in for gameplay, and now that there's a satisfactory base to use for future entries they're gonna make it a solely Fair Play Labs production. They based Kart Racers 3 on 2, so they may do this for NASB if we get a third game. We'd get more characters and content in 3, but no earth-shattering overhauls like 2 got.

Ninja'd

A word I haven't heard since my SMW Central days over 10 years ago, thank god forum culture lives in to some degree here

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I'm personally really hoping for NASB3 to be a unique gameplay style, both because I've come to like this series being experimental, but also, I think keeping NASB2's gameplay would read as saying "oh, NASB1 was just a failed experiment, NASB2 worked."

Ideal scenario would be NASB1 gameplay though

 

[fogbadge]

I'm personally really hoping for NASB3 to be a unique gameplay style, both because I've come to like this series being experimental, but also, I think keeping NASB2's gameplay would read as saying "oh, NASB1 was just a failed experiment, NASB2 worked."

Ideal scenario would be NASB1 gameplay though

you got any ideas for unique gameplay?

 

[Janx_uwu]

In honor of being the first-ever third platform fighter besides Brawl, NASB3 should include tripping - but make it something you do intentionally, give it a lot of depth and actually make it a good mechanic.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

you got any ideas for unique gameplay?

I trust the devs to come up with something cool ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[RileyXY1]

My idea is basically to keep NASB2 as a base and add more onto it. My idea has every character from both games come back, plus a good amount of newcomers (like 8 to 10). In total the roster size is around the size of Smash 4's base game, and the largest roster ever for a Nick crossover game, although this could be beaten or matched by a hypothetical KR4. With the fact that they've essentially built 25 characters from scratch for NASB2, this isn't too outlandish of an idea.

 

[fogbadge]

I trust the devs to come up with something cool ¯\(ツ)/¯

fair enough

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

My idea is basically to keep NASB2 as a base and add more onto it. My idea has every character from both games come back, plus a good amount of newcomers (like 8 to 10). In total the roster size is around the size of Smash 4's base game, and the largest roster ever for a Nick crossover game, although this could be beaten or matched by a hypothetical KR4. With the fact that they've essentially built 25 characters from scratch for NASB2, this isn't too outlandish of an idea.

Feasible or not (it isn't), 50 is way too big a roster for a balanced fighting game.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Feasible or not (it isn't), 50 is way too big a roster for a balanced fighting game.

It really isn't if the devs know what they're doing

 

[RileyXY1]

It really isn't if the devs know what they're doing

And I think these devs do.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

I'm personally really hoping for NASB3 to be a unique gameplay style, both because I've come to like this series being experimental, but also, I think keeping NASB2's gameplay would read as saying "oh, NASB1 was just a failed experiment, NASB2 worked."

Ideal scenario would be NASB1 gameplay though

Either one, just don't overhaul the whole thing again.

 

[LimeTH]

I agree, I'd prefer they build off what they already got instead of starting over again. Nothing against NASB1, but 2 is so solid that it'd make more sense to just keep going with what that set up.