Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[chocolatejr9]

Yes.

Engage basically made sure all the popular and relevant characters from Smash will stay relevant. Also advertisement for probable remakes of FE4 / 5 in one potential game, which could / should lead to remakes of FE 6 + 7 and quite probably FE 9 + 10.

Then we can get remakes of FE 1 + 3!

Wait a minute...

 

[dream1ng]

Honestly this is a very fair jurisdiction, I can definitely see the case for them being in ‘maybe’ you make a lot of good points. Not to get defensive but I didn’t put either though cause I was picking favorites, I just legitimately see the merit for both of them being in. But what you said is perfectly sound, they’re a bit more of a gamble then someone like Waluigi. I’m perfectly content with considering them maybes. At the very least we can agree on Waluigi.

Fair enough, that sounds good to me. I know we always want the best for the characters we like, I've just seen that preclude objectivity before, but fair play for acknowledging the counterargument, it's more than a lot do. So my mistake if I insisted that bias would prevent that.

Fwiw I would be happy to see Lyn, it would be nice to get a FE character because of the fans than because of the marketing schedule. I just see which of those two tends to win out.

But yes, I do agree on Waluigi, I think he actually is befitting of 'high probability' or 'will probably be playable' or whatever. To that end he also sets a fairly high bar for that tier, that, imo, none of the other ATs match. I don't think any are nearly as likely as Waluigi (as things currently stand, at least). Maybe Shadow as an echo, but if it didn't happen for Ultimate, when it made so much sense, maybe it won't happen next time either.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Gonna be real, I think Waluigi is the only one I find particularly likely.

Other first party characters like Isaac, Lyn, Skull Kid and the like, all have the demand and notability. They just need some oomph in their favor like a new game or a reliance on ballot results. Characters like Lyn or Isaac didn't magically become popular post Ultimate. Their popularity has always been there. Nintendo just doesn't seem interested in including them at the moment.

I actually find a lot of the third party characters like Shadow, Alucard and Zero to be a lot more likely. Especially Zero, I think he's very underrated chance wise. Third party secondary characters are a bit of a new frontier and after Sephiroth, I think we'll start to see a lot more of them.

And no, for the record, Lyn didn't start becoming a breakout character in 2017. She's been super popular in Fire Emblem since 2003. Fire Emblem just didn't start celebrating it's own history until 2012 and it took until 2017 for them to really start.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

If they ever add Zero i hope they add some of his moves from the Megaman Zero series.

Otherwise all he'd have is his sword.

 

[NintenZ]

And no, for the record, Lyn didn't start becoming a breakout character in 2017. She's been super popular in Fire Emblem since 2003. Fire Emblem just didn't start celebrating it's own history until 2012 and it took until 2017 for them to really start.

I just wanna clear this up, idk if what I said was poorly-worded but I didn't mean she literally became popular in 2017 I meant her popularity only became super apparent then in a mainstream capacity.

Like I don't think Intelligent Systems expected her to do as well as she did in CYL, let alone getting the most votes of all the characters, she did it without being in Smash Bros nonetheless.

I'm well aware she was heavily speculated during Brawl but considering Fire Emblem was much more niche around then I don't think her popularity picked up in the mainstream like it has today, that's really what I'm saying here.

 

[chocolatejr9]

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Potentially stupid question: are Nendroids a good way of determining if a character is popular or not? Because honestly, I kinda wanna use this as an excuse to talk about Friday Night Funkin in Smash...

 

[NintenZ]

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— GoodSmile_US (@GoodSmile_US) February 12, 2023

Potentially stupid question: are Nendroids a good way of determining if a character is popular or not? Because honestly, I kinda wanna use this as an excuse to talk about Friday Night Funkin in Smash...

Nendos are scouted and negotiated by the GoodSmile Company rather than the rights holders asking them, I guess it's a good metric though it's usually most reliable if you're talking about Japanese popularity with many exceptions. (admittedly though idk how popular this game is in Japan)

 

[MrMcNuts]

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Potentially stupid question: are Nendroids a good way of determining if a character is popular or not? Because honestly, I kinda wanna use this as an excuse to talk about Friday Night Funkin in Smash...

I mean there's several niche characters like shantae who have one so it's hard to say

 

[Sucumbio]

With the Netflix Castlevania series' success I'd like to think it's yet another indicator that Castlevania is still popular and Alucard in particular (or Sypha or Maria etc) could be expected to return at least as AT and maybe even playable.

Some AT won't come back methinks... I miss the Helirin.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I've been meaning to make this post for a while but I'd like to address how I think how each main title shown in the recent Nintendo Direct may impact certain franchises and characters in regards to Smash. In order of appearance...

Spoiler: Long Read

TLDR: Layton, Magalor and Octopath Traveler are the big winners here.

Style Savvy is unfortunately the biggest loser.

 

[dream1ng]

Gonna be real, I think Waluigi is the only one I find particularly likely.

Other first party characters like Isaac, Lyn, Skull Kid and the like, all have the demand and notability. They just need some oomph in their favor like a new game or a reliance on ballot results. Characters like Lyn or Isaac didn't magically become popular post Ultimate. Their popularity has always been there. Nintendo just doesn't seem interested in including them at the moment.

I actually find a lot of the third party characters like Shadow, Alucard and Zero to be a lot more likely. Especially Zero, I think he's very underrated chance wise. Third party secondary characters are a bit of a new frontier and after Sephiroth, I think we'll start to see a lot more of them.

And no, for the record, Lyn didn't start becoming a breakout character in 2017. She's been super popular in Fire Emblem since 2003. Fire Emblem just didn't start celebrating it's own history until 2012 and it took until 2017 for them to really start.

I agree with basically all of this.

I would say, however, that the pool of fan favorite first-parties drains faster than it is replenished though, since very few (if any) first-parties have newly become enduring fanbase favorites. Most characters who have the potential either get included when still current, not necessitating the fanbase, like Inkling, or fall from demand once they fall from recency. Basically all the perpetual favorites are from Brawl or 4-era.

Compounding this is the dwindling pool of current and recurring major characters, and, even with the growing third-party presence, it can't just be promotional characters and new IP on the other end.

So, with a mostly fixed group of diehard Nintendo favorites, and the expectation that the first-party selection will include at least a couple fanbase-related choices, eventually we may end up getting characters like Isaac through pure attrition. I mean, he's just an example, but someone has to come after Waluigi.

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Potentially stupid question: are Nendroids a good way of determining if a character is popular or not? Because honestly, I kinda wanna use this as an excuse to talk about Friday Night Funkin in Smash...

They're pickier than Funko, but honestly, not that picky.

Still cool to see.

 

[SPEN18]

Well, if nothing else I can reiterate that the pool of worthy potential AT promotions is still pretty deep. Scattered thoughts on likelihoods:

I perceive Isaac and Waluigi to be the most likely because they have the most evident popularity bases. Waluigi is kinda like Ridley in that he may have been hurt on the Ballot due to NPC status but his popularity is pretty obvious anyway at this point; Isaac is more like K. Rool in that his performance on polls probably surprised Nintendo enough to at least pay attention.

Skull Kid and Lyn I refuse to count out because if we ever do get a legacy rep from Zelda and/or FE, then these are probably the most likely ones to fill those spots (ignoring Impa here, who probably would get in for being recurring rather than being explicitly legacy). Also as was said above Lyn's popularity has gotten more recognition by IS in recent years. Skull Kid may have easily been the top Zelda pick on the Ballot.

Krystal rn is lower than the four above I think, but could easily shoot up the list if we ever got a brand new Star Fox game with her part of the plot. Similarly, Spring Man is unlikely right now, but could gain lots of ground if we got ARMS 2.

Ashley has kinda faded.

With Midna and Ghirahim, I like the potential but perceive them to be less likely than Skull Kid and Impa.

Takamaru is possible; at least he's on the speculation map but he's still unlikely due to lower sales and less worldwide recognition than other potential NES retro reps.

Honestly I could squint and kinda see Squid Sisters, but if we got a Splatoon rep beyond Octoling then someone like DJ Octavio is probably a more straightforward choice.

There are also a number of others who aren't likely but could always fit the bill as a surprise rep: Dr. Kawashima or Vince; haha I will even list Nintendog here just for fun even though its best chance may have been Brawl.

Out of the third party ones I think Shadow and Bomberman have a shot. Zero I feel is less likely than other Capcom reps and I don't see them doubling up on Castlevania, really.

The rest which I didn't mention I don't think are likely (assuming I didn't accidentally skip anyone).

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I agree with basically all of this.

I would say, however, that the pool of fan favorite first-parties drains faster than it is replenished though, since very few (if any) first-parties have newly become enduring fanbase favorites. Most characters who have the potential either get included when still current, not necessitating the fanbase, like Inkling, or fall from demand once they fall from recency. Basically all the perpetual favorites are from Brawl or 4-era.

Compounding this is the dwindling pool of current and recurring major characters, and, even with the growing third-party presence, it can't just be promotional characters and new IP on the other end.

So, with a mostly fixed group of diehard Nintendo favorites, and the expectation that the first-party selection will include at least a couple fanbase-related choices, eventually we may end up getting characters like Isaac through pure attrition. I mean, he's just an example, but someone has to come after Waluigi.

Out of curiosity, where would you say that the line is drawn for first party fan favorites? I ask because while Waluigi seems to be the obvious frontrunner, I still feel there are a lot of fan favorites not included, without delving into the ATs.

I'm also really curious as to who you think the perpetual favorites from Brawl and 4 are.


That aside, I don't think the falls from demand are from a lack of recency. I think the visible falls are from being deemed unlikely. Support becomes quiet when the characters isn't seen as likely. Doesn't mean its gone though.

Ashley has kinda faded.

Frankly, no. Ashley is still far and away the most popular Wario character. Ashley's demand is one of those fanbases that quieted down due to being deconfirmed early. If a new game is announced, I expect her to pop up and be a major player again.

 

[SPEN18]

Ya Pikmin could easily get another alt character next time; a semiclone with Rock and/or Ice Pikmin is less likely but also very possible assuming Pikmin 4 does well.

RIP Style Savvy, unfortunately. At least for the foreseeable future.

Mm, I disagree that Engage doesn't help older FE characters like Lyn, who are gaining lots of visibility and renewed marketing from this. Certainly it helps Lyn just as much as it helps the existing Smash reps not get cut. IMO this game is the perfect one to skip a newcomer in favor of a legacy rep, given that its nature is celebrating the history of FE. That and the decidedly mixed community response to Alear (though I don't mind Alear's design myself).

Being classically a Marx supporter, it pains me a bit to see them pushing Bandana Dee and Magolor instead; that said, both Dee and Magolor broke out in Return to Dreamland, which is one of my favorite Kirby games also besides Super Star. Merit-wise they're all strong. So I'm good with all three of them now, honestly; my soft spot is just for Marx.

Frankly, no. Ashley is still far and away the most popular Wario character. Ashley's demand is one of those fanbases that quieted down due to being deconfirmed early. If a new game is announced, I expect her to pop up and be a major player again.

That fanbase has gone dormant for quite a while, though, so it's reasonable to wonder if it can bounce back fully. I could see her exploding again, though, sure. I just don't expect it as much anymore.
Then again, I could just be blinded because when it comes to WarioWare characters I am the oddball Jimmy T. enjoyer. Also it kinda bothers me that Ashley doesn't appear in the original Mega Microgames.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Then again, I could just be blinded because when it comes to WarioWare characters I am the oddball Jimmy T. enjoyer.

Ah. You are a man of culture.

I respect that.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Ya Pikmin could easily get another alt character next time; a semiclone with Rock and/or Ice Pikmin is less likely but also very possible assuming Pikmin 4 does well.

RIP Style Savvy, unfortunately. At least for the foreseeable future.

Mm, I disagree that Engage doesn't help older FE characters like Lyn, who are gaining lots of visibility and renewed marketing from this. Certainly it helps Lyn just as much as it helps the existing Smash reps not get cut. IMO this game is the perfect one to skip a newcomer in favor of a legacy rep, given that its nature is celebrating the history of FE. That and the decidedly mixed community response to Alear (though I don't mind Alear's design myself).

Being classically a Marx supporter, it pains me a bit to see them pushing Bandana Dee and Magolor instead; that said, both Dee and Magolor broke out in Return to Dreamland, which is one of my favorite Kirby games also besides Super Star. Merit-wise they're all strong. So I'm good with all three of them now, honestly; my soft spot is just for Marx.



That fanbase has gone dormant for quite a while, though, so it's reasonable to wonder if it can bounce back fully. I could see her exploding again, though, sure. I just don't expect it as much anymore.
Then again, I could just be blinded because when it comes to WarioWare characters I am the oddball Jimmy T. enjoyer. Also it kinda bothers me that Ashley doesn't appear in the original Mega Microgames.

Hey, at least you're not a 9-Volt supporter. Like me...

 

[MomijiInubashiri630]

I am actually pretty confident Pikmin will get another character. Although I don't see a unique one happening unless Oatchi is added as apart of the moveset of the newest protag if she isn't just an alt or echo. I can easily see Louie being added as an echo if not her. However, if Pikmin were to get a fully new unique character, I think that character should be the Wraith. I have no idea if we will see the Wraith again in Pikmin 4, but I would be shocked if we don't, as it is implied to be the planet PNF-404 itself in one being. Which goes completely unexplained, or not into much detail, there is much more to learn about this antagonist of Pikmin, as they have appeared in the form of the Goolix and the Water Wraith before. If this character continues to be important, it's entirely possible this beast could become a playable character, it is the main antagonist and is (somehow) part of the planet Pikmin takes place on.

 

[Laniv]

View attachment 367958
decided to go ahead and make a new version of the list, I appreciate all of your feedback on the original it was helpful.

This is pretty solid, though I do have some things to say

1. Every time someone suggests Black Knight as an Ike echo a manakete loses their wings

2. I like how Sheriff is seen as a possible surprise pick

also I do appreciate that Tiki is at least somewhat likely

 

[Ivander]

I mean, unless the indie game has had a big impact(like Shovel Knight, Hollow Knight or Undertale) or has a big impact recently(been seeing alot of Hi-Fi Rush ever since it's release) I wouldn't expect Nintendo to think about indie games appearing in Smash for the most part. Unless of course, Sakurai manages to convince Nintendo to add in a particular one.

That aside, never thought I'd see a Sega game where Sega is the main antagonist.

For context, this game is called 404 Game Re:Set, a mobile game being done by Yoko Taro, the creator of Drakengard and Nier, that consists of Personafications of Sega franchises like Afterburner, Out Run, Virtua Fighter, etc, called CASTS, kinda like Hyperdimensia Neptune having the personifications of Video game consoles. And apparently, the setting is that it takes place in a world where Sega succeeded in becoming a leading force in the business world and continued to the point of eventually controlling the world(hence why you see Sonic/Eggman traffic signals) using brainwashed CASTS.
By what I've heard, it's apparently a Gacha RPG game with elements of Shoot-em-ups and according to Taro, it's not going to be unlike his previous titles, especially if the trailer depicting personified Sega franchises getting decapitated, broken and whatnot is anything to go by.

 

[Zerp]

Speaking of Pikmin, I genuinely think a Bulborb wouldn't be the craziest thing ever. Like yeah, I know, it's a generic enemy and it's huge. It's also like the face of the franchise after the Pikmin and Olimar.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I wouldn’t be surprised if there was no AT promotion for the next game, considering none of them feel like “obviously super likely” fighters.

Spring Man especially stands out in this regard. He's the clear next in line for a game that had a successful first outing,

But there is no clear “next in line” for a second ARMS character since everyone is the protagonist. It wouldn’t be remotely surprising if Twintelle or Ninjara was the next ARMS character. Min Min already beat Spring Man to the punch despite the fact she was less promoted than him within ARMS.

 

[Quillion]

I still think same-game AT promotion based on fan demand would be better.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I mean, unless the indie game has had a big impact(like Shovel Knight, Hollow Knight or Undertale) or has a big impact recently(been seeing alot of Hi-Fi Rush ever since it's release) I wouldn't expect Nintendo to think about indie games appearing in Smash for the most part. Unless of course, Sakurai manages to convince Nintendo to add in a particular one.

That aside, never thought I'd see a Sega game where Sega is the main antagonist.

For context, this game is called 404 Game Re:Set, a mobile game being done by Yoko Taro, the creator of Drakengard and Nier, that consists of Personafications of Sega franchises like Afterburner, Out Run, Virtua Fighter, etc, called CASTS, kinda like Hyperdimensia Neptune having the personifications of Video game consoles. And apparently, the setting is that it takes place in a world where Sega succeeded in becoming a leading force in the business world and continued to the point of eventually controlling the world(hence why you see Sonic/Eggman traffic signals) using brainwashed CASTS.
By what I've heard, it's apparently a Gacha RPG game with elements of Shoot-em-ups and according to Taro, it's not going to be unlike his previous titles, especially if the trailer depicting personified Sega franchises getting decapitated, broken and whatnot is anything to go by.

See this video with not much interest: No Fear
Sonic becomes an anime girl: One Fear
Persona 5 will make a collab, killing off the game one year later: No Fear (Again)

Jokes aside, i want to see anime girls versions of ToeJam and Earl and Kid Chameleon.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I mean, unless the indie game has had a big impact(like Shovel Knight, Hollow Knight or Undertale) or has a big impact recently(been seeing alot of Hi-Fi Rush ever since it's release) I wouldn't expect Nintendo to think about indie games appearing in Smash for the most part. Unless of course, Sakurai manages to convince Nintendo to add in a particular one.

That aside, never thought I'd see a Sega game where Sega is the main antagonist.

For context, this game is called 404 Game Re:Set, a mobile game being done by Yoko Taro, the creator of Drakengard and Nier, that consists of Personafications of Sega franchises like Afterburner, Out Run, Virtua Fighter, etc, called CASTS, kinda like Hyperdimensia Neptune having the personifications of Video game consoles. And apparently, the setting is that it takes place in a world where Sega succeeded in becoming a leading force in the business world and continued to the point of eventually controlling the world(hence why you see Sonic/Eggman traffic signals) using brainwashed CASTS.
By what I've heard, it's apparently a Gacha RPG game with elements of Shoot-em-ups and according to Taro, it's not going to be unlike his previous titles, especially if the trailer depicting personified Sega franchises getting decapitated, broken and whatnot is anything to go by.

What's funny is that even in a premise where video game franchises have been transformed into sapient entities, the most unrealistic thing about the setting is the idea that Sega of America and Sega of Japan were able to cooperate and thrive for an extended period of time.

 

[Speed Weed]

I'll be honest, the Yoko Taro SEGA game seems like kind of a really weird and stupid premise with no major appeal, so I don't think this'll last long, but hey, more classic SEGA shoutouts! I ain't complaining!

Anyway, a while back ago, I made a list for myself of all the IP SEGA referenced across their 60th anniversary material. I think that's probably a good frame of reference for which IP could be in this game, as it gives us a window into which IP SEGA treat with reverence. That said, I've decided to exclude A. a lot of these sorts of Japan-only mobile and card games and such, as I feel they kinda clog up the list and I want to focus on the ones with IMO a more established presence in SEGA's oeuvre, and B. IP that only appeared in their DJ Mix album, as those songs were picked with the intention of flowing together and not necessarily of being a "greatest hits" of SEGA music. I've also decided to exclude Atlus stuff for now, as we have no idea if those will be thrown in the mix. Otherwise, here's a decent chunk of Stuff SEGA Have Shown To Like Putting In Stuff And Thus Could Show Up In Here:

Spoiler: beeg list

so er yeah I think this is a decent estimate of what stuff could show up in the mobile game, though obviously not all. there are a few other IP that are nowhere on this list but I could theoretically see getting a shoutout

 

[HyperSomari64]

What's funny is that even in a premise where video game franchises have been transformed into sapient entities, the most unrealistic thing about the setting is the idea that Sega of America and Sega of Japan were able to cooperate and thrive for an extended period of time.

Did they turned Total War and Ecco the Dolphin as well?

 

[Quillion]

It really seems like a waste of a premise to make that SEGA crossover game a mobile gacha.

 

[chocolatejr9]

I mean, unless the indie game has had a big impact(like Shovel Knight, Hollow Knight or Undertale) or has a big impact recently(been seeing alot of Hi-Fi Rush ever since it's release) I wouldn't expect Nintendo to think about indie games appearing in Smash for the most part. Unless of course, Sakurai manages to convince Nintendo to add in a particular one.

That aside, never thought I'd see a Sega game where Sega is the main antagonist.

For context, this game is called 404 Game Re:Set, a mobile game being done by Yoko Taro, the creator of Drakengard and Nier, that consists of Personafications of Sega franchises like Afterburner, Out Run, Virtua Fighter, etc, called CASTS, kinda like Hyperdimensia Neptune having the personifications of Video game consoles. And apparently, the setting is that it takes place in a world where Sega succeeded in becoming a leading force in the business world and continued to the point of eventually controlling the world(hence why you see Sonic/Eggman traffic signals) using brainwashed CASTS.
By what I've heard, it's apparently a Gacha RPG game with elements of Shoot-em-ups and according to Taro, it's not going to be unlike his previous titles, especially if the trailer depicting personified Sega franchises getting decapitated, broken and whatnot is anything to go by.

A SEGAGAGA sequel made by Yoko Taro where the Virtua Fighter rep is a JoJo character? Alright, I think I'll play along here. Curious how far they're willing to go with this...

I'll be honest, the Yoko Taro SEGA game seems like kind of a really weird and stupid premise with no major appeal, so I don't think this'll last long, but hey, more classic SEGA shoutouts! I ain't complaining!

Anyway, a while back ago, I made a list for myself of all the IP SEGA referenced across their 60th anniversary material. I think that's probably a good frame of reference for which IP could be in this game, as it gives us a window into which IP SEGA treat with reverence. That said, I've decided to exclude A. a lot of these sorts of Japan-only mobile and card games and such, as I feel they kinda clog up the list and I want to focus on the ones with IMO a more established presence in SEGA's oeuvre, and B. IP that only appeared in their DJ Mix album, as those songs were picked with the intention of flowing together and not necessarily of being a "greatest hits" of SEGA music. I've also decided to exclude Atlus stuff for now, as we have no idea if those will be thrown in the mix. Otherwise, here's a decent chunk of Stuff SEGA Have Shown To Like Putting In Stuff And Thus Could Show Up In Here:

Spoiler: beeg list

so er yeah I think this is a decent estimate of what stuff could show up in the mobile game, though obviously not all. there are a few other IP that are nowhere on this list but I could theoretically see getting a shoutout

The irony that I was just asking about Clockwork Knight the other day. You weren't kidding when you said Sega references that one a lot, huh?

 

[HyperSomari64]

Pretty sure there will be collabs referencing Sega's licensed games like Warhammer or anything cheaper because of the prices to add Mickey Mouse (Illusion series) and the characters from Fist of The North Star are kinda expensive.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Frankly, no. Ashley is still far and away the most popular Wario character. Ashley's demand is one of those fanbases that quieted down due to being deconfirmed early. If a new game is announced, I expect her to pop up and be a major player again.

I expect pretty much the same
Discussion surrounding her died in Ult after her deconfirmation, but so did other ATs like Isaac and Skull Kid. The sad truth is that once your favorite character is hit by the snow globe it becomes hard to talk about them since it's one of the "rules" still kept alive for Smash.

I actually think Ashley has a decent chance for next time! WW GiT sold surprisingly well compared to previous titles, and I really do mean well compared to previous titles.

It's not at Touched! or Smooth Moves level, but considering the rut WarioWare was in during the 2010s I have more reason to be optimistic towards the series future and its outlook at getting a new fighter for Smash.

 

[Quillion]

Honestly, I just think Ashley isn't really fighter material.

Isaac definitely is, and while I think AT is the best spot for Waluigi "Mr. Spin-off", he probably could get in on fan demand.

But Ashley being a fighter just seems forced, and she doesn't even have the protagonist status like Villager does to force it either.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I have to echo other comments about third party assist trophies feeling more likely (even as flawed as that thinking is). Bomberman, Zero, & Alucard especially all feel like such natural fits that any of them getting that spot in the next game wouldn't feel surprising. Heck given the former's promotion to Mii Costume, I often wonder if he might have ended up being playable if Ultimate and/or production of its DLC had gone on longer.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Honestly, I just think Ashley isn't really fighter material.

Isaac definitely is, and while I think AT is the best spot for Waluigi "Mr. Spin-off", he probably could get in on fan demand.

But Ashley being a fighter just seems forced, and she doesn't even have the protagonist status like Villager does to force it either.

Forced how if I might ask? She's a witch that has been shown to cast different types of spells throughout the series and has had her own special mini-games in the series where she was playable (before GiT made the whole cast playable). She has far more to work with than you think.

 

[osby]

Honestly, I just think Ashley isn't really fighter material.

Isaac definitely is, and while I think AT is the best spot for Waluigi "Mr. Spin-off", he probably could get in on fan demand.

But Ashley being a fighter just seems forced, and she doesn't even have the protagonist status like Villager does to force it either.

I don't think she'd be any more forced than Palutena, Rosalina or Isabelle, tbh. Side characters who don't usually fight get into Smash for their popularity all the time and get movesets based on elements associated with them.

 

[Quillion]

Forced how if I might ask? She's a witch that has been shown to cast different types of spells throughout the series and has had her own special mini-games in the series where she was playable (before GiT made the whole cast playable). She has far more to work with than you think.

Forced in that she's a very low-key character who keeps to herself and only makes microgames as a side hobby. She doesn't seem one to concern herself with fights.

I don't think she'd be any more forced than Palutena, Rosalina or Isabelle, tbh. Side characters who don't usually fight get into Smash for their popularity all the time and get movesets based on elements associated with them.

But Palutena had to be a dumping ground for KIU elements Pit had no room for and Isabelle had to get by on being a semi-clone while also being a dumping ground for some elements Villager had no room for.

Plus, Rosalina was an unlockable character for SM3DW.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Forced in that she's a very low-key character who keeps to herself and only makes microgames as a side hobby. She doesn't seem one to concern herself with fights.

But Ashley has been shown to get angry and fight in her own series. This feels like a weird argument to make considering we have....a real life robot toy who was turned into a fighter, or even Isabelle who was lambasted pre-reveal because she's a pacifist.

 

[Perkilator]

I have to echo other comments about third party assist trophies feeling more likely (even as flawed as that thinking is). Bomberman, X, & Alucard especially all feel like such natural fits that any of them getting that spot in the next game wouldn't feel surprising. Heck given the former's promotion to Mii Costume, I often wonder if he might have ended up being playable if Ultimate and/or production of its DLC had gone on longer.

Don’t you mean Bomberman, Zero and Alucard?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Don’t you mean Bomberman, Zero and Alucard?

Ah slipped my mind, meant Zero.

Though X would make a solid addition as well.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Ah slipped my mind, meant Zero.

Though X would make a solid addition as well.

Why not do both?

 

[Quillion]

But Ashley has been shown to get angry and fight in her own series. This feels like a weird argument to make considering we have....a real life robot toy who was turned into a fighter, or even Isabelle who was lambasted pre-reveal because she's a pacifist.

You could make anyone a fighter. It doesn't mean you should.

Would you want Beedle to be a fighter on being highly recurrent in Zelda or Anna to be a fighter for being highly recurrent and sometimes fighting in Fire Emblem?