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So I know Fire Emblem is often a repeated subject that tends to bring groans in regards to character discussion and speculation about Alear is probably not going to be much different, what with them following the Avatar trend and them not looking too different from other Lords aside from the Pepsi hair. So rather than discussing the next game's protagonists' inevitability, why don't we discuss the characters from a game that is one of Nintendo's highest grossing mobile games, Fire Emblem Heroes?
With Fire Emblem Heroes' revenue reaching 1 billion and being one of Nintendo's top Grossing mobiles games even surpassing Mario Kart Tour immensely, and with it finishing up Book VI and on it's way to Book VII in December, Fire Emblem Heroes is certainly a game to think about in regards to the next Smash Bros. It's already had an appearance in Smash Bros. with a music track, the newest remix of the Fire Emblem theme being based on the Heroes version, and Black Knight, the Assist Trophy, uses his voice actors' lines from his appearance in Heroes.
So it's quite possible that more content from Fire Emblem Heroes could enter Smash Bros.
It could be in the form of items like the new Arcane weapons, or maybe a new Pokeball-like item like the Breidablik that could summon different Fire Emblem characters from the different games. More music would also be great.
Could be in the form of Spirits or bigger appearances like Assist Trophies, Bosses or maybe even a stage with cameos.
And then there's the possibility of actually getting a character. With Fire Emblem Heroes about to start Book VII, Fire Emblem Heroes could still be active when the next Smash Bros. is being developed and whatnot.
And obviously, I did ask about discussing the characters. But rather than just leaving those who know nothing about FEH in the dark and confused, I'd thought I would do a summary on the different Main characters for FEH for unknowing Smash fans and see if I can peak some interest.
So there we go. I got a list of the notable FEH characters put there, I hopefully made it easy to find the more Smash Bros. important stuff like gameplay, aesthetic and whatnot. I know not alot of people are Fire Emblem fans and it's easy to talk about Alear in regards to Smash Bros, but I thought we could give FEH some attention. It's got some cool settings, interesting characters and good music. It's a notable mobile game for Nintendo in how much money it's made for them. I say a character from FEH is decently possible and there are a good number of characters they can choose from.
Heck, Book 7 is almost here and who knows which Book we'll be on when the next Smash Bros. comes. It would be interesting to see what Smash could do with FEH.
Any Fire Emblem fans and enthusiasts want to add anything in regards to FEH Smash Speculation? @Opossum@ErureidoCchocolatejr9
Well, since you mentioned me, I guess I HAVE to give my two cents.
IMO, if we were to get a FEH rep, it'd be either Alfonse or Kiran. I know Fjorm is a popular one, but those two have the advantage of being main charactere, whereas Fjorm was only relevant in Book 2. Plus, Kiran could potentially have one of the most unique movesets in Smash, depending on if they decide to incorporate summoning somehow. Though I'd imagine that'd be a technical nightmare...
If it turns out Wumpa League is still coming out, I NEED that cow character to get SOME recognition in Smash. Doesn't have to be playable, I just think they deserve something.
Cool final roster, a shame they took out Tarnished though
Oh and them deciding between Hero and Sora using a roulette and Hero taking it was funny, never doubt the RNG king.
So I know Fire Emblem is often a repeated subject that tends to bring groans in regards to character discussion and speculation about Alear is probably not going to be much different, what with them following the Avatar trend and them not looking too different from other Lords aside from the Pepsi hair. So rather than discussing the next game's protagonists' inevitability, why don't we discuss the characters from a game that is one of Nintendo's highest grossing mobile games, Fire Emblem Heroes?
With Fire Emblem Heroes' revenue reaching 1 billion and being one of Nintendo's top Grossing mobiles games even surpassing Mario Kart Tour immensely, and with it finishing up Book VI and on it's way to Book VII in December, Fire Emblem Heroes is certainly a game to think about in regards to the next Smash Bros. It's already had an appearance in Smash Bros. with a music track, the newest remix of the Fire Emblem theme being based on the Heroes version, and Black Knight, the Assist Trophy, uses his voice actors' lines from his appearance in Heroes.
So it's quite possible that more content from Fire Emblem Heroes could enter Smash Bros.
It could be in the form of items like the new Arcane weapons, or maybe a new Pokeball-like item like the Breidablik that could summon different Fire Emblem characters from the different games. More music would also be great.
Could be in the form of Spirits or bigger appearances like Assist Trophies, Bosses or maybe even a stage with cameos.
And then there's the possibility of actually getting a character. With Fire Emblem Heroes about to start Book VII, Fire Emblem Heroes could still be active when the next Smash Bros. is being developed and whatnot.
And obviously, I did ask about discussing the characters. But rather than just leaving those who know nothing about FEH in the dark and confused, I'd thought I would do a summary on the different Main characters for FEH for unknowing Smash fans and see if I can peak some interest.
So there we go. I got a list of the notable FEH characters put there, I hopefully made it easy to find the more Smash Bros. important stuff like gameplay, aesthetic and whatnot. I know not alot of people are Fire Emblem fans and it's easy to talk about Alear in regards to Smash Bros, but I thought we could give FEH some attention. It's got some cool settings, interesting characters and good music. It's a notable mobile game for Nintendo in how much money it's made for them. I say a character from FEH is decently possible and there are a good number of characters they can choose from.
Heck, Book 7 is almost here and who knows which Book we'll be on when the next Smash Bros. comes. It would be interesting to see what Smash could do with FEH.
Any Fire Emblem fans and enthusiasts want to add anything in regards to FEH Smash Speculation? @Opossum@ErureidoCchocolatejr9
I feel that covers the general list they'd probably pick from minus maybe Askr and Embla, but I like Askr so I will not fight his presence here.
In terms of who'd they go with, I feel Alfonse, Kiran, Veronica, and Fjorm are the big four to look at due to how IS pushes them in the game and related media. You pretty much covered all of the reasonings I'd give for them, but I'll also add that for Veronica she has the benefit of being the most popular OC due to being the only one that has placed on CYL for a Brave alt and the one they slapped onto the Book 6 icon over Ash, something no other pre-existing OC has done before. I'd honestly say that if not Alfonse, I think IS would push for Veronica as they clearly have a lot of value in her, especially after Book 6 went back and focused so much on concluding certain plot threads related to her.
Cool final roster, a shame they took out Tarnished though
Oh and them deciding between Hero and Sora using a roulette and Hero taking it was funny, never doubt the RNG king.
Some random thoughts on this I have right now, I can't speak for all the reasonings as I came in late, so if I miss something on my points please let me know:
I find it interesting that they kept the Echoes as they're usually the first to go in rosters like these. It makes sense why they'd do that as Echoes are very low demand characters to make, and while I'm sure many would like some of them to be further decloned that lack of difference could be a way for them to stay. Poor Samus though, only villains to keep her company.
On that same note, I do like that they kept both Villager and Isabelle, especially Isabelle as she's a huge face with modern Nintendo and has very little reason to leave the roster.
Sylux I don't think should be here, I get their point that Prime 4 is coming out with the character being a face of the game, but the problem is there's a number of unknowns around that situation. We don't know when Prime 4 will finally drop so we don't know for certain it'd be out before the next Smash, we don't know when the next Smash is being developed as depending on that timing Prime 4 could miss the boat on getting any content like Prime 3 with Brawl, and we don't know how Sylux's situation will unfold as we don't know if their related arc is going to be a single game or multi-game story or even reach the heights of popularity earned by characters like Ridley, Dark Samus, or even Raven Beak. At this point I don't think there's enough here to comfortably place Sylux on the roster, that character is still in too much of a limbo.
Not sure on Takamaru, they say they picked him on personal bias and 'retro' slot, and I won't counter the former because that's personal opinion, but considering Ultimate didn't have any character that can be conclusively perceived as retro I think making a 'slot' for it is pretty questionable. Sukapon also falls into that same reasoning, but also IIRC lacks an international release which is stated to be the reason that hindered Takamaru before.
Similarly, I'm not sure on Wolf over Falco. I can get why there would be a preference to Wolf as I probably share many of those feelings, but Falco is more of a mainstay in Smash and Star Fox as a whole so I'm not sure if he'd be given priority.
Also, on Bomberman, I heard their reasoning for him not being on the roster is that they think there was more to him not being chosen, but I'm not sure there's a deeper reasoning other than priority. Base game had a very small unique newcomer roster and Super Bomberman R didn't release or take off until after the roster was chosen, and the DLC they chose was very competitive in popularity so it's easy to see the character be passed over for other options. I think they may be seeing a problem that isn't there, particularly since he's never been commented on.
I mostly mentioned them because I kept bringing them up quite a bit when doing the other characters, so I thought I'd give context to who they were, while the gameplay stuff was more a bonus. And as I said, Askr and Embla could play roles for Final Smashes like in Veronica's case.
And I think Ash started as the Book 6 FEH Icon first and then after the Mid-Book Cinematic trailer, that's when Veronica took over the FEH Icon once again.
I mostly mentioned them because I kept bringing them up quite a bit when doing the other characters, so I thought I'd give context to who they were, while the gameplay stuff was more a bonus. And as I said, Askr and Embla could play roles for Final Smashes like in Veronica's case.
And I think Ash started as the Book 6 FEH Icon first and then after the Mid-Book Cinematic trailer, that's when Veronica took over the FEH Icon once again.
Ah, my mistake, I should've caught that when reading through.
And yeah, I should've been clearer there. Veronica booted Ash from the icon at the halfway point, Ash was the Book 6 icon to start though with how they treated her, I'm surprised they just didn't bring back Veronica's old icon.
Honestly if we got an Ultimate DX, here is what I think we would get in terms of purely unique newcomers. Gonna put some stuff in spoiler tags though just so that I do not spoil anyone.I think for an Ultimate DX, somewhere between 6-10 unique newcomers is fair, given what we got in Ultimate. They likely would be using a ton of pre existing assets to bring old characters back, so I doubt we would see the same development strain that went into EiH the first time around.
I honestly do not have the energy to really speculate on Echo Fighters right now, so I am just gonna say somewhere around what Ultimate got if not a little more. Probably Shadow the Hedgehog will be one of them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Microsoft Activision buyout hasn't been finalised yet, right?
Also, regardless of it's an Ultimate DX or new game, I'm like 99.99% sure Waluigi is going to get in. Not even wishful thinking, the Wa ship (and first party ships in general really) sailed for me a long time ago. Considering modern Smash's emphasis on wish fulfilment, the only thing stopping a recurring first party popular enough to make mainstream headlines over his exclusion is a complete course change.
Honestly due to the casual appeal I could see Waluigi fitting into just a general "Mario character" or "recognizability" slot rather than as a ballot or dedicated fan pick. What I mean mostly there is that Waluigi and Isaac are not mutually exclusive. While they are competing with each other for a hypothetical "dedicated fan pick" slot, they both have other ways to get in besides that (with Isaac the "other way" would likely be getting a new release of some sort).
Either way, though, in my personal view of things it is critical to get some of these upper-tier first party choices in ASAP so that more energy and focus can be spent on other 1P picks.
If I picked newcomers for an Ultimate DX, I’d mainly want the exact amount to be relatively small. The main 3 I have in mind are Waluigi, BWD and Eggman.
Of course, I’m not necessarily picky over who else gets in.
While I'm convinced the Switch successor will be backwards compatible (thus making a DX version not quite necessary) if one did exist, I could see a small focus on a number of first party characters, both because they could be implemented without any negotiations and there might be a chance that certain major third party selections could be potentially saved for a full blown sequel.
A hypothetical DX addition of base game selections like BWD, Dixie, Ring Fit Trainer, Noah/Mio and Bomberman feels entirely possible.
Why he's a legend on the industry, he's mostly joked in the Smash Ultimate speculation days, and his fans were attacked by both Steve and Banjo communities.
The waters were calm later on, and his "meme pick" status was gone. So a better poll can be:
Goku or Bubsy?
There's something rather fitting about a Microsoft rep discussion becoming a war zone involving the words "Crash" and "Doom". Cause the non-chosen ones are "doomed" to not get in and their fanbases will "crash" at the reveal. I will see myself out.
There's something rather fitting about a Microsoft rep discussion becoming a war zone involving the words "Crash" and "Doom". Cause the non-chosen ones are "doomed" to not get in and their fanbases will "crash" at the reveal. I will see myself out.
1st Party
Octoling
Noah/Mio
Meowscarada or Quaquaval (even though I prefer Ceruledge & Armuledge if Gen 9 were to get a rep)
Animal Crossing Rep?
Ring Fit Trainee
Officer Howard
Alear or Alphonse
Waluigi (long suffering fan favorite finally has his day; if not Smash 6 he'll never get in)
3rd Party
Fighting Game Character: Smash 4 DLC, base Ultimate and both Fighter Passes contained an FGC; Sol is probably the frontrunner for new reps
2B
at least one of Dante/Shantae/Doom Slayer/Dragonborn
Monster Hunter/Phoenix Wright/Resident Evil: I def don't see Capcom sitting out another Smash game without a new character
Bomberman (IMO he felt like he just missed making the cut in Ultimate)
Honestly, its hard for me to not think it'll be a repeat of Sword and Shield; a lot of very big complaints, but ultimately huge sales and eventual patches and DLC that satisfy some fans. The criticism is certainly more visible now (and there's far less counterarguments about fan entitlement like what was seen with the rancor about Dexit), however the series is such a financial juggernaut and there's such an influx of new fans buying games every gen that I don't think things are likely to change soon.
If Pokemon goes into gradual decline with its profits and the obvious problems of mainline games being tied to merchandise/the anime become too big? Absolutely we'll see a shift. I just don't think we're there yet.
User scores on MetaCritic are always finicky. If there is any form of backlash or bandwagon against a game, people will review bomb it. That isn't to say critic scores are perfect either, but user scores on MetaCritic have never been a perfect example to find out if a game is good or bad. A two sentence 1/10 review where someone complains about fps issues is not going to be helpful for you to make a decision on the quality of a game. Play a game yourself or find a critic you personally think aligns with your philosophy on games as a whole. Even then, the quality of Scarlet and Violet do not affect it going into Smash: timing does. Smash has represented plenty of mediocre at best games like Metroid Other M, Donkey Konga, Star Fox Zero, or what have you. We would not be getting a Gen 9 character due to some perceived notion of it "deserving" a character: we would get it because it came out at the right time.
Personally, I think Scarlet and Violet are the best mainline Pokemon games since Gen V, performance be damned. Yes, the game looks like butt and can sometimes run badly, especially in the cities. But god is it fun. I like being able to not have friendly rival a and side character b show up everywhere and force me down the same beaten path. I like being able to choose what I get to do and when I do it. It is fun exploring the region rather than being stuck on one single strict path. The new Pokemon and the OST are great as well. The soundtrack is super nice and my favorite we have had since... Gen V. They really knocked it out of the park with the new mons. I think this is the best batch of starters since Gen IV in terms of first and last starters quality. The region is full of cool new pokemon around every corner. In every nook and cranny as you explore Paldea, there is something truly new there. They also made plenty of QoL changes as well. Its easier than ever to make any pokemon competitively viable, breeding can now be done anywhere you can set up a picnic, and its more reasonable to get good items.
Did Scarlet and Violet need more time in the oven? Of course. It will need at least a patch or two of performance boosts to fix it. Is it dumb they removed the set battle feature? Of course. Do I dislike Dexit especially when we have Arceus, BDSP, and SwSh to pull resources on for Pokemon? Yes. But if you are looking for a Pokemon adventure that is fun and perhaps most of all, not walking on a linear path towards your next gym, this is great. I have not gotten to the post game yet, I have heard mixed things. But I can say definitively this is better than SwSh and BDSP. I personally so far am enjoying it more than Arceus as well, but I will see where I stand after I 100% the game.
Oh, yeah, to be clear I totally agree with that. I just quoted the Metacritic stuff as a starting off point for discussing the general fan reception and how it might relate to Smash.
In this case and in many others it's obvious that there's a lot of review bombing, and the total number of reviews isn't even very high relative to the whole player base.
User scores on MetaCritic are always finicky. If there is any form of backlash or bandwagon against a game, people will review bomb it. That isn't to say critic scores are perfect either, but user scores on MetaCritic have never been a perfect example to find out if a game is good or bad. A two sentence 1/10 review where someone complains about fps issues is not going to be helpful for you to make a decision on the quality of a game. Play a game yourself or find a critic you personally think aligns with your philosophy on games as a whole. Even then, the quality of Scarlet and Violet do not affect it going into Smash: timing does. Smash has represented plenty of mediocre at best games like Metroid Other M, Donkey Konga, Star Fox Zero, or what have you. We would not be getting a Gen 9 character due to some perceived notion of it "deserving" a character: we would get it because it came out at the right time.
Personally, I think Scarlet and Violet are the best mainline Pokemon games since Gen V, performance be damned. Yes, the game looks like butt and can sometimes run badly, especially in the cities. But god is it fun. I like being able to not have friendly rival a and side character b show up everywhere and force me down the same beaten path. I like being able to choose what I get to do and when I do it. It is fun exploring the region rather than being stuck on one single strict path. The new Pokemon and the OST are great as well. The soundtrack is super nice and my favorite we have had since... Gen V. They really knocked it out of the park with the new mons. I think this is the best batch of starters since Gen IV in terms of first and last starters quality. The region is full of cool new pokemon around every corner. In every nook and cranny as you explore Paldea, there is something truly new there. They also made plenty of QoL changes as well. Its easier than ever to make any pokemon competitively viable, breeding can now be done anywhere you can set up a picnic, and its more reasonable to get good items.
Did Scarlet and Violet need more time in the oven? Of course. It will need at least a patch or two of performance boosts to fix it. Is it dumb they removed the set battle feature? Of course. Do I dislike Dexit especially when we have Arceus, BDSP, and SwSh to pull resources on for Pokemon? Yes. But if you are looking for a Pokemon adventure that is fun and perhaps most of all, not walking on a linear path towards your next gym, this is great. I have not gotten to the post game yet, I have heard mixed things. But I can say definitively this is better than SwSh and BDSP. I personally so far am enjoying it more than Arceus as well, but I will see where I stand after I 100% the game.
Tbh I was actually very surprised to see so much review bombing and negative reactions. That's part of why I used that to start a discussion, since I thought others might be surprised, too. My personal judgments from the trailers were that things were going in the right direction and other than not liking the Terastal stuff at all really I was generally pleased. I knew there was a segment of the community that remained highly upset, some of it probably due to grudges being held since Sw/Sh, but I didn't think it was gonna be so vocal until the last couple of days. And I haven't played or seen enough yet to really judge for myself but probably will soon.
And lol yeah, a small percentage of fans angrily review bombing isn't going to stop them from adding whoever they want to Smash...they're going to make their judgments based on the sales and, to a lesser extent, reputable critic reviews way more than internet user reviews. The reputable critic reviews I think mean way less to them than the sales but they mean a little bit since they like to advertise things like "9/10 on IGN" and stuff.
As for the quality of Scarlet and Violet not affecting their characters getting into Smash: for now I will just say that if that is indeed the case, then there is something seriously wrong with the selection process and I don't feel wrong in criticizing it. I understand that some people are totally resigned to and/or simply completely fine with auto-repping games with good timing relative to Smash's but it's hard for me to help feeling that this rostering paradigm has the potential to do real harm to characters, games, or even franchises who simply have poor fortune in that respect.
Also, some pages back there was discussion on speculating likelihood vs. simply talking about characters one would like to see get in.
I think that it's engaging to talk certain topics pertaining to likelihood and that there is merit in keeping discussion somewhat attached to reality or at the least running in parallel to it; however, I must confess that I very much prefer advocating for characters I'd like to see get in. I find that much more fun and much more engaging on the whole, and character support is pretty much what got me on this site to begin with. I also highly dislike certain aspects of this whole guessing game of "what was the timeline for the project plan and how might Nintendo's corporatism affect the roster," and moreover find speculation much less fun when the majority of the online community is hyperfocused on specific types of candidates, for example only recent characters, only third parties, only fan favorites, etc.
But, anyway, y'all carry on. Just forgot and/or didn't have time to chime in when the discussion was going on.
I know people are on the Meowscarada train for a S/V rep but there are so many more interesting new Pokemon in that game, and I say that as someone who picked Sprigatito and has it fully evolved in my playthrough
There's something rather fitting about a Microsoft rep discussion becoming a war zone involving the words "Crash" and "Doom". Cause the non-chosen ones are "doomed" to not get in and their fanbases will "crash" at the reveal. I will see myself out.
Tbh, despite liking a lot of the new S/V designs I find the starter evos pretty lacking. I like the concept of the ghost/fire croc but something about the design strikes me as lifeless and bland in a way I haven't quite gotten over so far. Meowscarada looks kinda goofy, but not in a charming way really. Quaquaval is the best-looking out of the three for me so far but I still can't stop seeing a water Blaziken ripoff...
So yeah, benched starter again for me this gen. At least the base forms look good, though.
That said, there are plenty of other great mons to try out. And I'll see if I warm up to any of the starters at all and I'll be observing how the community reacts to them as we move along here.
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Separate from the above, I actually would prefer if Pokemon moved away from the three-starter paradigm altogether. I don't know what the alternative would be but I do know there's plenty of options.
So I haven’t posted here in eons, but I’ve had Smash on my brain for a bit, so I’m thinking I might do a huge write-up going over all of the potential ideas I have for whatever comes next for Smash, right now I’m just gauging ideas for what I might see but I eventually want to cover all the faucets.
Cool final roster, a shame they took out Tarnished though
Oh and them deciding between Hero and Sora using a roulette and Hero taking it was funny, never doubt the RNG king.
Thats by quite far the worst "prediction" for a new smash roster Ive ever seen and its not even close. And they say "Your results" with proud caps even tho their pols where only posted in a few places, had low entrance and they didnt followed it at all, but used instead bad excuses, cause a lot of people were against cuts period, they just used wtv excuse to cut the ones they personally werent into and use the pol as a cover to toxic roster cuts, if it was "your results" (so no real world constraints) then wed get everyone is here again instead of this excuse to hate (even back when that "pol" was out I remember some redit comment said how some questions felt super skewed and even then everyone was saying theyd personally want everyone here or not cuts etc, theyre using fake ad populum to justify their own hate/opinions so their video would look more legit instead of just another fan roster)
They also clearly removed characters solely for personal preference and added their wanted ones without caring for more than some cheap excuses:
Kazuuya is a massive icon, thats also from a series that does crossovers all the time, zero excuse to cut when it also has an unique moveset, they just got salty they didnt predicted him
Zero Suit Samus is both popular and unique, this right here proves 100% this was NOT based on fan input period, they should be ashamed of using "your results" when thats objectively a lie
Joker may not be that big but its highly popular in smash, has a huge fanbase outside it, and P6 may be far away and have an entire different concept to an mc
Incineroar has an extremely unique moveset, and no other pokemon would fight the same, its there for the fun moveset that nothing comes close too, and they just cut it for being petty and angry it wasnt their personal choice
Toon Link and Falco may be semiclones, but theyre also gigantic icons to the Smash series and their lack would disappoint so many fans, if so many echoes are staying, a roster that big as what they did shouldnt have issue
Deciding on such icons as Hero and Sora over a bad spiteful roulette is just lame and shows theyre salty at both, Hero itself should never be considered out if third parties are far game, specially when they dump a bunch of ones solely because they were speculated a lot during early dlc period, this also proves how american-centric and spiteful of other places they are that this is even up to debate, keeping Hero, Dragon Quest is one of the biggest franchises ever in Japan
Despite the hate they get both Corrin and Byleth have many players who love their unique movesets too, and even then cutting one over the other was clearly bias from the streamers and not a fan request (of their suprisingly microscopic fanbase judging by how empty the chat was and how they get no views despite the site being so old)
We dont know when MP4 comes out, if the Sylux tease pays off, and if its big enough to justify smash spot, thats just again their personal bias instead of a fair prediction
If negotiations are such an issue then they shouldnt bloat it with tons of MS reps, yes they had an easy time this time, but we dont know the future and thats a lot of reps when they butchered the Squeenix ones solely out of spite
Piranha Plant and its unique moveset, and design, and fans, being cut despite other weird choices like Rob staying just shows, once again, that they are just very spiteful and full of hate that their personal predictions from 5 years ago were wrong, cant ever get over it, and are using the stream to project their hate as a factual proposal
Other than Disney hardships, theres no other reason to cut Sora, its the MOST WANTED character in Smash period, and they have the gal to claim this is fan input when they cut the most requested character ever, sorry for caps but they should ashamed of such clickbait, thats just embarassing
The XC3 choice fully proves they know nothing about why Pyra got chosen and just assume she was some main girl and thats it
I cant believe it came from that site, I guess they lost everybody there that did good analisys or understood the roster choices, cause even when I used to lurk to read predictions here, like 99% rosters of this site alone are better than this one, even the ones to other games would make better smash sequel rosters, that also had nothing to do with the poll, just like the pokemon stuff, it was them projecting their own bias using fake ad populum
Id be willing to bet that 99% users of this forum could make a more fitting prediction roster than this mess (which despite its advertising is clearly NOT based on the polls as I mentioned, it was only their bias at best using the poll to pick newcomers the rest is bs)
The only good thing I can claim from that video is that I will never again feel sorry that their site and videos are so empty of views and basically dead in the water nowadays, they truly became irrelevant, tho with the caveat that such emptiness allowed them to pretend they represent the fans with such obscure polling that they couldnt even follow, dang to think this was from the site that archived sakurai articles before
Not sure on Takamaru, they say they picked him on personal bias and 'retro' slot, and I won't counter the former because that's personal opinion, but considering Ultimate didn't have any character that can be conclusively perceived as retro I think making a 'slot' for it is pretty questionable. Sukapon also falls into that same reasoning, but also IIRC lacks an international release which is stated to be the reason that hindered Takamaru before
Also, on Bomberman, I heard their reasoning for him not being on the roster is that they think there was more to him not being chosen, but I'm not sure there's a deeper reasoning other than priority. Base game had a very small unique newcomer roster and Super Bomberman R didn't release or take off until after the roster was chosen, and the DLC they chose was very competitive in popularity so it's easy to see the character be passed over for other options. I think they may be seeing a problem that isn't there, particularly since he's never been commented on.
I like both Takamaru and Sukapon but their logic doesnt hold specially when last time had no retros (and again this proves this roster is not being build off that poll at all if they just pick whoever like that and cut a lot to make room) most probably neither would be chosen as the retro catalogue has so many possible paths anyway
And about Bomberman theres zero info about its rights being an issue, unlike say Ms Pacman, this is all well documented and they should know that as they used to help documentng before their site became washed up and empty and everyone left, Bomberman shouldn have issues if it gets such complex skins and if bomb items are fair game. Sounds more like they personally had bias against it and again, this proves this was not "your results" like they clickbaited, none of this was from the poll at all, that was for newcomers mostly too.
i expect next smash game to have 3 new 3rd party companies to get a rep
-in brawl we got 2 new companies (Konami, SEGA)
-in sm4sh we got 3 new companies (Capcom, Namco, Square-Enix)
-in ultimate we got 3 new companies (Microsoft, SNK, Disney)
my prediction next 3 new companies would be:
-I think the 2 next most likely companies are Ubisoft and Tecmo due to strong relationship with nintendo and already having some content in smash and both already showed their support for Rayman and Ryu Hayabusa and having alot of demand in the smash community overall
-as for the 3rd new company its a bit tricky but i think it might be either Tetris or ArcSys or Warner Bros or Tencent each of them for a different reason but i think Tetris and ArcSys are more likely due to them already having some content in smash and long history with nintendo
what i have seen from ultimate newcomers is that there is almost a balance between nintendo reps and 3rd party reps
Nintendo reps:
nintendo Echoes:
3rd party reps:
3rd party Echoes:
i am expecting next smash newcomers would be 50% nintendo reps and 50% 3rd party reps
in ultimate each 3rd party company got another newcomer (besides SNK and Disney since they joined late during DLC era) so i do expect that to happen again
but what do you think?
what are your thoughts on what could be the next 3 new 3rd party companies getting a rep
speculate on Echo Fighters right now, so I am just gonna say somewhere around what Ultimate got if not a little more. Probably Shadow the Hedgehog will be one of them.
I prefer Shadow being a unique fighter having his own moveset.
(Motorbike, Super form or Chaos Blast as final smash, and some of his moves from Sonic Battle)
So I know Fire Emblem is often a repeated subject that tends to bring groans in regards to character discussion and speculation about Alear is probably not going to be much different, what with them following the Avatar trend and them not looking too different from other Lords aside from the Pepsi hair. So rather than discussing the next game's protagonists' inevitability, why don't we discuss the characters from a game that is one of Nintendo's highest grossing mobile games, Fire Emblem Heroes?
With Fire Emblem Heroes' revenue reaching 1 billion and being one of Nintendo's top Grossing mobiles games even surpassing Mario Kart Tour immensely, and with it finishing up Book VI and on it's way to Book VII in December, Fire Emblem Heroes is certainly a game to think about in regards to the next Smash Bros. It's already had an appearance in Smash Bros. with a music track, the newest remix of the Fire Emblem theme being based on the Heroes version, and Black Knight, the Assist Trophy, uses his voice actors' lines from his appearance in Heroes.
So it's quite possible that more content from Fire Emblem Heroes could enter Smash Bros.
It could be in the form of items like the new Arcane weapons, or maybe a new Pokeball-like item like the Breidablik that could summon different Fire Emblem characters from the different games. More music would also be great.
Could be in the form of Spirits or bigger appearances like Assist Trophies, Bosses or maybe even a stage with cameos.
And then there's the possibility of actually getting a character. With Fire Emblem Heroes about to start Book VII, Fire Emblem Heroes could still be active when the next Smash Bros. is being developed and whatnot.
And obviously, I did ask about discussing the characters. But rather than just leaving those who know nothing about FEH in the dark and confused, I'd thought I would do a summary on the different Main characters for FEH for unknowing Smash fans and see if I can peak some interest.
So there we go. I got a list of the notable FEH characters put there, I hopefully made it easy to find the more Smash Bros. important stuff like gameplay, aesthetic and whatnot. I know not alot of people are Fire Emblem fans and it's easy to talk about Alear in regards to Smash Bros, but I thought we could give FEH some attention. It's got some cool settings, interesting characters and good music. It's a notable mobile game for Nintendo in how much money it's made for them. I say a character from FEH is decently possible and there are a good number of characters they can choose from.
Heck, Book 7 is almost here and who knows which Book we'll be on when the next Smash Bros. comes. It would be interesting to see what Smash could do with FEH.
Any Fire Emblem fans and enthusiasts want to add anything in regards to FEH Smash Speculation? @Opossum@ErureidoCchocolatejr9
Holy portal to Zenith what a post! I’m just jumping in to be a hipster and suggest Loki considering her all-round importance to the overall story. Gonna read the full post later and edit in my thoughts!
One stance I've had for a while, even though it clearly isn't Nintendo's stance, is that first parties shouldn't be chosen based on fan demand; importance; or even moveset potential, but rather how much appeal they'd have to people unfamiliar with the franchise they're from. Look at how popular K. Rool - the cackling 80s-Saturday-morning-style villain of a pirate-king-scientist-boxer - was for months following Ultimate's launch; then compare it to the hype longevity of other big Nintendo-adjacent fan demands like Banjo - the duo primarily remembered for their text-based banter - and Ridley - the villain primarily remembered for his relationship with the protagonist.
One stance I've had for a while, even though it clearly isn't Nintendo's stance, is that first parties shouldn't be chosen based on fan demand; importance; or even moveset potential, but rather how much appeal they'd have to people unfamiliar with the franchise they're from. Look at how popular K. Rool - the cackling 80s-Saturday-morning-style villain of a pirate-king-scientist-boxer - was for months following Ultimate's launch; then compare it to the hype longevity of other big Nintendo-adjacent fan demands like Banjo - the duo primarily remembered for their text-based banter - and Ridley - the villain primarily remembered for his relationship with the protagonist.
