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Funny thing is Killer Instinct has had something similar to Fatalities, though much less dark. Albeit, they're not much different from the original's trilogy's, just slightly less gruesome. That said, it also wasn't released everywhere worldwide either. MK has a minor presence in Japan at best. KI has less due to not being sold there as is. Ironic, isn't it?
Okay but how?
Wario's design isn't related to the narrative. Thankfully Smash let's the player choose which one they prefer (I like them both about evenly, though the biker version has better alts).
I don't think that's the issue. I don't even think your opinion is the issue. I think your opinion was just explained very poorly. They way you described your issue baffled the entire thread.
Okay but you didn't even say anything about his design until JUST NOW. All you had said before this point was that WarioWare made Wario too narrative-centric. So there was never really a debate about that, just mentions that WarioWare is not narrative-centric.
You have switched to a new argument though. I'm honestly not trying to be snarky anymore. I'm trying to understand.
More alternate outfits in general for Smash would be nice.
You know, considering that the human ladies in Mario Kart get new outfits for riding a motorbike, I'm surprised they never tried to let Wario wear (haha) his own biker outfit once. Not even as an alt in Mario Kart Tour?
Wait till those people hear about Donkey Kong's Genealogy Hierarchy, and the long-standing quarrel of what's Donkey Kong Jr. TRUE family status.
Can you not see the irony?
Out of curiosity, where does Tamagotchi and Taiko no Tastujin fall under (in regards to Mametchi and Don)?
Mario puts on Tanuki Suit
"Wario has changed.
It's no longer about treasure hunting, shoulder bashing or throwing enemies. It's an endless series of party games played by fake fans.
Wario-- and his consumption of garlic-- has become a mini game machine.
Wario has changed.
WarioWare fans carry WarioWare joycons, use WarioWare gear. Microgames inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities.
Gameplay control, narrative control, art direction control... everything is monitored and kept under control.
Wario has changed.
The age of Wario Land has become the age of WarioWare, all in the name of ruining the character and franchise.
Wario has changed.
When Wario is under total control, Ware becomes routine."
- UserKev as
It's his attack in Wario Get it Together.
Don is Namco! Mametchi though is Bandai, hope that clears things up!
Aka you have no real argument or point and instead of putting to construct one, why just project your failure on us? Much easier that way.
Yeah but the point is these interpretations were never who the characters actually were. This was just American localization filling the blank due to the limited information at time.I just thought I’d throw my two cents in here. I personally preferred the characterizations of the Super Mario Bros. cast from the Super Mario Bros. Super Show cartoon than what we’ve seen since in the games. There’s nothing wrong with their current portrayals but I think their cartoon versions were great. It’s true the characters didn’t have much personality in the early video games but their cartoon counterparts had a ton of personality. When UserKev refers to Mama Luigi, he’s talking about his cartoon incarnation, in particular from the Super Mario World cartoon. Luigi was awesome in the cartoon and the games seems to exaggerate his cowardly personality and overall weirdness, particularly in Smash.
Every Smash game Sakurai surprises us with an unexpected “joke” character: Game and Watch, R.O.B. , Wii Fit Trainer… when accessory based retro characters got predictable we got Piranha Plant. Maybe next game the surprise can be a formerly scrapped character and we get Wapeach pic.twitter.com/TfGpljZqqn
— PapaGenos (@GenosPapa) December 2, 2023
oh i know that one
I would personally expect a roster that retains around 40-50 of Ultimate’s cast, with room for new characters that aren’t pipe dream picks like Ultimate was. And more leaning towards modern and timeless characters instead of classic retro icons.
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The first party Nintendo series you’d be ideally looking at would be Pikmin, Metroid, and Xenoblade.
I’m not really blaming Smash on anything. Like I said, I don’t really have a problem with any Mario character’s current portrayal, I just personally prefer their cartoon personalities. Luigi definitely does act more weird in Smash than he does in other games though with his odd taunts and mannerisms. Not that it’s necessarily a bad thing, just weird. I was mostly trying to clarify what UserKev was talking about when he was referring to Mama Luigi and his personality before Luigi’s Mansion.
This is something I feel is a concept that can be applied to Luigi across the whole series.
Tamagotchi and Digimon are both virtual pet toys which Sakurai counts as videogames.
I'm surprised you didn't keep Captain Falcon or Ness, especially considering how popular they are among Smash fans (and especially outside of Smash in Ness's case.)I would personally expect a roster that retains around 40-50 of Ultimate’s cast, with room for new characters that aren’t pipe dream picks like Ultimate was. And more leaning towards modern and timeless characters instead of classic retro icons.
Even Smash 64 characters won’t be safe from cuts.
My veteran roster would look like this.
(And Miis too)
I would also expect around 9 newcomers, bringing this roster to 55 characters (+Random too).
wario was macho?I feel like a lot of detractors of Wario's portrayal in WarioWare/Smash base their belief off the idea that Wario's always been 100% macho... which isn't really the case when you look at how Japan-specific material plays it up. Even pre-Ware, Wario's been seen picking his nose a lot more than even I expected.
I think this stems from WarioWare not showing Wario in-action nearly as much as the Land series or Mario spinoffs - The gross elements are more pronounced since Wario isn't getting into as many situations where he can show his "macho" traits. I get not liking this approach in terms of both Ware and Smash, but saying WarioWare Wario is an entirely different character than Wario Land Wario is a bit of an exaggeration.
As for Luigi, I don't get how the Poltergust is really hampering his character. Sure, he uses it for a grab and Final Smash in the Smash games, as well as a few times in spinoff material, but it's not really as defining to his character. Heck, he's been portrayed as cowardly pre-Mansion in things like the Super Show (which isn't canon, I'm aware, but as long as we're citing Mama Luigi...), so I don't see how him getting a relatively scarcely used weapon changes anything, and I don't really get how he was the "cooler" Mario at any point.
I really like Ivander's interpretation of the movie's take on Luigi:
This is something I feel is a concept that can be applied to Luigi across the whole series.
has that been confirmed?
What is Ness doing to be so popular?
I’m not disagreeing, I think he should be kept in the games roster, but I don’t really remember people being hype for Ness instead of EarthBound or Mother as a series. If Mother 3 did end up releasing in the West, people would probably like Lucas a lot more because he has character development.
It was because of Smash itself that Ness became popular. He was essentially for most people the main gateway to Earthbound when he was first added in Smash 64, with him being the game's most shocking inclusion. Him being the hardest fighter to unlock in Smash 64 also helped in this regard. It's because of him being in Smash that Earthbound even became what it is today, a cult classic RPG that sold like hotcakes on the Wii U VC and was one of the front and center games for the SNES Mini.What is Ness doing to be so popular?
While the concept and details regarding WaPeach is certainly a more interesting concept than simply being Peach mixed with Doronjo(although ironically, she's somewhat similar to Devilotte, who was also inspired by Doronjo), I still think getting in characters from Wario's games into the main/spin-off games should be the higher priority. The characters from them are very underrated and I'd be sad if they still got ignored.
Because your a based man who played one of the best Capcom fighting games ever.
Its on one of the videos on his youtube channel which im too lazy too look up.
thanks. I think
I'm surprised about the lack of Falcon and Ness (and Puff, now that I'm looking a bit closer), but as someone's already gone over that, I'll bring up another thing I'm curious about. Why go for Roy over Ike? I would think Marth/Ike/Robin/Byleth would be a pretty well-rounded FE cast with all pretty different movesets to work with, plus Ike is just generally really popular within FE itself.My veteran roster would look like this.
(And Miis too)
is an extremely easy get and obvious crowd-pleaser. Not one of the more technically complex characters either so can't be that hard to develop, one of the top picks from the ballot, Microsoft has been eager to toss Rare content at Nintendo for NSO instead of just reselling it themselves. I went on a tangent about that last point the other day but I think it's emblematic of how productive this relationship has been. Relevance aside I really don't think this is a character we will lose if they can help it., I think it's valuable to have a more contemporary third party mainstay to counteract the more classic feel of many of the others. Minecraft is also one of those series big enough for children playing Smash for the first time to immediately identify and gravitate toward. The potential complications are a higher price tag and the sheer complexity of Steve's development, but he may just be a character worth the struggle. So I have a hard time justifying cutting Steve all the same, and accommodations can be made to make the work flow easier - as incredible as it is, programming unique materials to every stage is a bit superfluous for example., I think Banjo and Steve are kind of the perfect dichotomy. One to please nostalgic fans and to celebrate Nintendo history, and another who is more widely relevant and profitable for the company in question. In Steve's case, counteracting a skewed appeal toward older gamers with a strong appeal toward new ones. Personally, I believe both of these roles are valuable and I believe Sakurai and Nintendo agree. The biggest catch I forsee with Microsoft is just a Square Enix scenario of upselling them with DLC later, which is fair and they've got plenty more to work with.
