Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

For everyone who want to reply to the topic, what would you consider an irreplaceable stage?

I feel like Temple, Corneria, Smashville and Boxing Ring are the stages that I would be truly upset to lose. Unlike characters I don't always need my favorite stages to be there, and I would rather they prioritize adding new ones, but these feel essential to Smash's identity now. Maybe Dream Land 64 also.

It's probably past its prime but Brain Age had two of the top 10 best-selling DS games, which is no small feat, and still managed a million units on Switch.

I recall when Dr. Kawashima would get suggested in the past, there were concerns over whether or not it would be okay to include a depiction of a real person. Well, he still can't be KOed but Kawashima's AT tells me they'd probably have a good sense of humor about it. Even though Brain Age hasn't been especially relevant recently, it did have a release in late 2019 / early 2020 but never came to the US for some reason... and beyond that, I think it's a pretty important cornerstone of the DS era and would feel welcome as a fun surprise pick akin to Wii Fit Trainer or Duck Hunt.

 

[Laniv]

For everyone who want to reply to the topic, what would you consider an irreplaceable stage?

When looking at Smash 64's stages, Dreamland 64, Mushroom Kingdom and Yoshi's Story didn't really need to come back, but Smash 64 version of Peach's Castle and Planet Zebes are irreplaceable. For Melee, Mushroom Kingdom 2 is rather unique. For Brawl, Skyworld. For Smash Wii U, Mario Galaxy. I would also ironically say that Yoshi's Story (Melee) feels irreplaceable to me. Possibly the stages I'll never get over if they were cut or never return.

Temple, Smashville, Fountain of Dreams

 

[Nickthebrick1]

I feel like Temple, Corneria and Boxing Ring are the stages that I would be truly upset to lose. Unlike characters I don't always need my favorite stages to be there, and I would rather they prioritize adding new ones, but these feel essential to Smash's identity now. Maybe Dream Land 64 also.



I recall when Dr. Kawashima would get suggested in the past, there were concerns over whether or not it would be okay to include a depiction of a real person. Well, he still can't be KOed but Kawashima's AT tells me they'd probably have a good sense of humor about it. Even though Brain Age hasn't been especially relevant recently, it did have a release in late 2019 / early 2020 but never came to the US for some reason... and beyond that, I think it's a pretty important cornerstone of the DS era and would feel welcome as a fun surprise pick akin to Wii Fit Trainer or Duck Hunt.

Yeah, could you imagine fighting a floating head who attacks you with math equations. Best character ever. Piranha Plant eat your heart out.

 

[Noipoi]

For everyone who want to reply to the topic, what would you consider an irreplaceable stage?

Pokefloats

 

[SPEN18]

I recall when Dr. Kawashima would get suggested in the past, there were concerns over whether or not it would be okay to include a depiction of a real person. Well, he still can't be KOed but Kawashima's AT tells me they'd probably have a good sense of humor about it. Even though Brain Age hasn't been especially relevant recently, it did have a release in late 2019 / early 2020 but never came to the US for some reason... and beyond that, I think it's a pretty important cornerstone of the DS era and would feel welcome as a fun surprise pick akin to Wii Fit Trainer or Duck Hunt.

I also think it would be a fun addition that well-represents its era of greatest success. And could have an outside chance as a surprise pick. The fact that Dr. Kawashima even appears in as big a role as an Assist Trophy tells me that he is likely in the clear as far as eligibility goes.

 

[Perkilator]

Made a new thread on Classic Mode if anyone's interested:

What if SSBU's Classic Mode was more like SFV's arcade paths?

As much as I adore SSBU’s Classic Mode, I’ll admire that every route being six fights and a boss kind of restricts is potential. So what if it was more like Street Fighter V’s arcade paths, where you go through a different number of fights depending on the path chosen? I made a while Google Doc...

smashboards.com

 

[smashkirby]

I've noticed that too, it feels like Nintendo has been pushing Mona a lot since WarioWare came back with Gold, especially since Gold establishes that she has a crush on Wario.

I personally think that it's between her and Ashley as the WarioWare character, but given how prominent she's been in recent games I would definitely keep an eye on Mona myself personally.

Yeah, it's definitely something to take into account.

If I'm being honest, another reason I'd love for Mona to be playable is because I'd hope that Sakurai (or whoever directs the next Smash and has her as a playable character) would have the good sense to have her alternate costumes be her ACTUAL different outfits from across the WW series.

Between her usual biker gear, cheerleader outfit, burger joint look, sundress, bassist dress, and qipao (from Young Cricket and Master Mantis' Smooth Moves story), she's definitely got her pick of the lot.

Young cricket anyone? No? Fine

Wouldn't be opposed to the guy in the slightest, but I sort of see Ashley and/or Mona showing up before him...

 

[Sucumbio]

For everyone who want to reply to the topic, what would you consider an irreplaceable stage?

When looking at Smash 64's stages, Dreamland 64, Mushroom Kingdom and Yoshi's Story didn't really need to come back, but Smash 64 version of Peach's Castle and Planet Zebes are irreplaceable. For Melee, Mushroom Kingdom 2 is rather unique. For Brawl, Skyworld. For Smash Wii U, Mario Galaxy. I would also ironically say that Yoshi's Story (Melee) feels irreplaceable to me. Possibly the stages I'll never get over if they were cut or never return.

Battlefield.

 

[Ivander]

On the kind of question of things not exactly represented...this is less about video games and genres and more about "notably popular entertainment".

But rather, if something, not a character, but something particularly notable regarding forms of interactive entertainment got into Smash, what would you want and be okay with in Smash? Not so much movies and comic books, but more of like, the forms of entertainment that you interact with and can be creative and do stuff with?
Because earlier on the genre, one of the things I was going to bring up originally was Card games. There are some cards games that are video games only, like Rage of Bahamut, Shadowverse and Culdcept, and Nintendo also did a couple of their own with Trade & Battle Card Hero and it's sequel. And while Pokemon has a TCG too, Pokemon itself doesn't really represent that genre. And when you look at the video game exclusive card games, none could ever compare to something like Magic The Gathering or Yugioh getting in Smash. And the thought of using a Pokeball-like card item to make something like Blue Eyes White Dragon appear.
And thinking about Magic The Gathering and Yugioh sorta spiralled into thinking about R.O.B. and Minecraft and eventually into things that people have used for interactive entertainment, like LEGO and Dungeons & Dragons. And it's like, you have video game exclusive experiences that relate to this kind of creative entertainment, but even if they got in Smash, none of them could ever reach the attention on the level of Minecraft for their genres, since they are no where near as popular as the big heavy-hitters that brought these kind of experiences and have stayed around since then.

So I'm just curious if there is any interactive entertainment that you'd be 100% down for representation, and would accept regardless of not being a video game series, in Smash Bros? And like I said, those more on the lines of like Collectable Card games, LEGO, Dungeons and Dragons, more so experiences that you interact with rather than movies, books and whatnot where you simply watch where the creators take the story and characters.

 

[DarthEnderX]

For everyone who want to reply to the topic, what would you consider an irreplaceable stage?

Fountain of Dreams.

Also a massive fan of the KoF stage.

 

[Lionfranky]

What do you guys think overall? Any thoughts?

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - ESRB

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - Everyone 10+ - This is a fighting game in which players engage in brawls with characters from Nintendo and third-party franchises.

www.esrb.org

ESRB description mentions firearm, so I don't see much issue. I worked in game rating before. Gun/firearm has never been major content descriptor.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Oh right Fortnite, I forgot about the impact that game had. You do make a lot of good points. But would that go double for a character representing a genre that hasn't been in smash yet?

And on that same subject matter. What can still be included for smash realistically?

For me personally off the top of my head would be:

Horror
Puzzle
PC Gaming
Music Games
Zombie
FPS
Visual Novel
Educational (Yes I know the last one would be a stretch but it would be an interesting move, maybe it could be filled by Dr. Kawashima or Dr. Lobe)

Honesty I hope we get an educational or horror character.

DOOM was pretty huge on the PC back in the day, so it kind of fits both PC Gaming and FPS.

As already mentioned, there's still the Beat'em Up genre, which still doesn't have a character in the roster. If it does, though, the best ones would be the ones made Technos Japan, the pioneers of the beat'em up genre and creator of such iconic series like River City/Kunio-kun (which already has spirits in Ultimate) and Double Dragon.

To use your previous post for other characters that I would like to see:

Hayabusa: A highly requested, iconic character, improves relations with Koei Tecmo;
Kunio and Riki: One of the most iconic beat'em up series ever, huge in Japan and growing popularity in the West, improves relations with Arc System Works;
Doom Slayer: One of the most iconic FPS series ever, caters a lot to the west, improves relations with Microsoft;
Billy and Jimmy: Another iconic beat'em up series, world-wide recognition, also improves relations with Arc System Works.

 

[Louie G.]

But rather, if something, not a character, but something particularly notable regarding forms of interactive entertainment got into Smash, what would you want and be okay with in Smash? Not so much movies and comic books, but more of like, the forms of entertainment that you interact with and can be creative and do stuff with?

Well as we all know, toys are no strangers to Smash. So I would be open to callbacks to old Nintendo toys, particularly the Ultra Hand which I'm shocked has yet to make an appearance... what an obvious choice for an item! And I would not be opposed to some deeper acknowledgement of Nintendo's history with Hanafuda cards, however that may be. These are safe answers I know, but I'd rather not stray too far from our roots and stick to the stuff particularly relevant to Nintendo history. On the topic of LEGO though, it could be cute to see some acknowledgement of Mario's own LEGO line in some capacity. I'm not calling for "LEGO Mario" to be playable but maybe some item or collectable can reference the toy, or even a stage if they want to get silly.

And then in respect to other virtual entertainment / toys, they're pretty much already video games but but virtual pets such as Tamagotchi and Digimon would be good by me. Maybe my most extreme stance is I wouldn't mind Hatsune Miku making an appearance in some way... maybe not playable, but a costume could be fun. Miku's closest association, aside from her music, is pretty nondescript since she's essentially a tool or an instrument. So throwing in content under the "Project DIVA" label wouldn't be quite as egregious as a full on anime or cartoon character, to me. I know you said "not a character" but again, Vocaloid is a tool that just happens to also be represented as characters so I think it's in line here.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

On the kind of question of things not exactly represented...this is less about video games and genres and more about "notably popular entertainment".

But rather, if something, not a character, but something particularly notable regarding forms of interactive entertainment got into Smash, what would you want and be okay with in Smash? Not so much movies and comic books, but more of like, the forms of entertainment that you interact with and can be creative and do stuff with?
Because earlier on the genre, one of the things I was going to bring up originally was Card games. There are some cards games that are video games only, like Rage of Bahamut, Shadowverse and Culdcept, and Nintendo also did a couple of their own with Trade & Battle Card Hero and it's sequel. And while Pokemon has a TCG too, Pokemon itself doesn't really represent that genre. And when you look at the video game exclusive card games, none could ever compare to something like Magic The Gathering or Yugioh getting in Smash. And the thought of using a Pokeball-like card item to make something like Blue Eyes White Dragon appear.
And thinking about Magic The Gathering and Yugioh sorta spiralled into thinking about R.O.B. and Minecraft and eventually into things that people have used for interactive entertainment, like LEGO and Dungeons & Dragons. And it's like, you have video game exclusive experiences that relate to this kind of creative entertainment, but even if they got in Smash, none of them could ever reach the attention on the level of Minecraft for their genres, since they are no where near as popular as the big heavy-hitters that brought these kind of experiences and have stayed around since then.

So I'm just curious if there is any interactive entertainment that you'd be 100% down for representation, and would accept regardless of not being a video game series, in Smash Bros? And like I said, those more on the lines of like Collectable Card games, LEGO, Dungeons and Dragons, more so experiences that you interact with rather than movies, books and whatnot where you simply watch where the creators take the story and characters.

Yeah ive been asking for Digimon. lol

 

[HyperSomari64]

On the kind of question of things not exactly represented...this is less about video games and genres and more about "notably popular entertainment".

But rather, if something, not a character, but something particularly notable regarding forms of interactive entertainment got into Smash, what would you want and be okay with in Smash? Not so much movies and comic books, but more of like, the forms of entertainment that you interact with and can be creative and do stuff with?
Because earlier on the genre, one of the things I was going to bring up originally was Card games. There are some cards games that are video games only, like Rage of Bahamut, Shadowverse and Culdcept, and Nintendo also did a couple of their own with Trade & Battle Card Hero and it's sequel. And while Pokemon has a TCG too, Pokemon itself doesn't really represent that genre. And when you look at the video game exclusive card games, none could ever compare to something like Magic The Gathering or Yugioh getting in Smash. And the thought of using a Pokeball-like card item to make something like Blue Eyes White Dragon appear.
And thinking about Magic The Gathering and Yugioh sorta spiralled into thinking about R.O.B. and Minecraft and eventually into things that people have used for interactive entertainment, like LEGO and Dungeons & Dragons. And it's like, you have video game exclusive experiences that relate to this kind of creative entertainment, but even if they got in Smash, none of them could ever reach the attention on the level of Minecraft for their genres, since they are no where near as popular as the big heavy-hitters that brought these kind of experiences and have stayed around since then.

So I'm just curious if there is any interactive entertainment that you'd be 100% down for representation, and would accept regardless of not being a video game series, in Smash Bros? And like I said, those more on the lines of like Collectable Card games, LEGO, Dungeons and Dragons, more so experiences that you interact with rather than movies, books and whatnot where you simply watch where the creators take the story and characters.

Gee, this "Mucho Texto" made my dreams of seeing Chess King and Monopoly dude in Smash go down the drain.

 

[Kirbeh]

On the kind of question of things not exactly represented...this is less about video games and genres and more about "notably popular entertainment".

But rather, if something, not a character, but something particularly notable regarding forms of interactive entertainment got into Smash, what would you want and be okay with in Smash? Not so much movies and comic books, but more of like, the forms of entertainment that you interact with and can be creative and do stuff with?
Because earlier on the genre, one of the things I was going to bring up originally was Card games. There are some cards games that are video games only, like Rage of Bahamut, Shadowverse and Culdcept, and Nintendo also did a couple of their own with Trade & Battle Card Hero and it's sequel. And while Pokemon has a TCG too, Pokemon itself doesn't really represent that genre. And when you look at the video game exclusive card games, none could ever compare to something like Magic The Gathering or Yugioh getting in Smash. And the thought of using a Pokeball-like card item to make something like Blue Eyes White Dragon appear.
And thinking about Magic The Gathering and Yugioh sorta spiralled into thinking about R.O.B. and Minecraft and eventually into things that people have used for interactive entertainment, like LEGO and Dungeons & Dragons. And it's like, you have video game exclusive experiences that relate to this kind of creative entertainment, but even if they got in Smash, none of them could ever reach the attention on the level of Minecraft for their genres, since they are no where near as popular as the big heavy-hitters that brought these kind of experiences and have stayed around since then.

So I'm just curious if there is any interactive entertainment that you'd be 100% down for representation, and would accept regardless of not being a video game series, in Smash Bros? And like I said, those more on the lines of like Collectable Card games, LEGO, Dungeons and Dragons, more so experiences that you interact with rather than movies, books and whatnot where you simply watch where the creators take the story and characters.

There's not a lot I can say I'd be down for if I'm being honest. Like Louie G. already mentioned, the main one I can think of that I'd give a pass to is Hatsune Miku. I like Yu-Gi-Oh so I guess that'd be okay too, so long as it's strictly the card game and divorced from any content specific to the manga and anime series. As for D&D, content from Baldur's Gate could technically work in that instance. Also, Digimon, almost forgot.

I guess having 4 I'd accept is more than I expected, but outside of these, I'd be likely to turn down any others.

 

[Jave]

Re: Fire Emblem

I definitely agree that Fire Emblem was intended to be treated as a "revolving door" sort of series in the sense that some characters would leave while new ones get to appear, but then EiH happened and it really gave the impression of there being too many of them. If the next Smash does in fact feature roster cuts I could see about half of them getting the boot and just one newcomer getting added. And as things stand now, I think that newcomer is going to be Alear. The next FE is heavily rumored to be a FE4 remake and if that's the case then it likely won't be considered for Smash (I really, REALLY don't see Sigurd ever happening). I doubt we'll get a brand-new FE until 2026 at the least, since 2025 will probably be filled with another spinoff title, probably another FE Warriors game, which could very well feature Alear.

Re: Warioware

I definitely think Ashley is the most popular character and if we get another Warioware rep, it will be her. Although I do think Mona does have a shot if Sakurai decides to be creative or someone in the decision making team decides to play favorites. There's definitely moveset potential for a lot of characters in this series, but anyone outside those two is probably too much of a dream, unless someone gets their own game or something (which is something I believe Ashley could potentially get).

 

[HyperSomari64]

If people are arguing about toy representation in Smash, did I remind you that there was a Twitter account rallying for My Little Pony in Smash in a non-ironic fashion.

Yeah, the "For Smash" community in Twitter was weird.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

That people will still say that Min Min was purely an advertisement to push ARMS, but then say that Pyra and Mythra were simply popular requests and that advertising has little to do with their inclusion. Some even say that Sakurai always wanted to include a Xenoblade Chronicles 2 character and they only missed their shot due to the timing of Ultimate's project plan, and then say that he was forced to include ARMS. They were both noted to be inclusions he thought were missing due to timing.

They're all popular characters from their franchises, while simultaneously being used as advertisement. Pyra and Mythra are worthwhile inclusions, and Min Min is too

Wake up America!

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

That people will still say that Min Min was purely an advertisement to push ARMS, but then say that Pyra and Mythra were simply popular requests and that advertising has little to do with their inclusion. Some even say that Sakurai always wanted to include a Xenoblade Chronicles 2 character and they only missed their shot due to the timing of Ultimate's project plan, and then say that he was forced to include ARMS. They were both noted to be inclusions he thought were missing due to timing.

I know I for one love when a Switch launch window game gets advertising in Smash Bros. 3 years after it released!

 

[Nickthebrick1]

Well as we all know, toys are no strangers to Smash. So I would be open to callbacks to old Nintendo toys, particularly the Ultra Hand which I'm shocked has yet to make an appearance... what an obvious choice for an item! And I would not be opposed to some deeper acknowledgement of Nintendo's history with Hanafuda cards, however that may be. These are safe answers I know, but I'd rather not stray too far from our roots and stick to the stuff particularly relevant to Nintendo history. On the topic of LEGO though, it could be cute to see some acknowledgement of Mario's own LEGO line in some capacity. I'm not calling for "LEGO Mario" to be playable but maybe some item or collectable can reference the toy, or even a stage if they want to get silly.

And then in respect to other virtual entertainment / toys, they're pretty much already video games but but virtual pets such as Tamagotchi and Digimon would be good by me. Maybe my most extreme stance is I wouldn't mind Hatsune Miku making an appearance in some way... maybe not playable, but a costume could be fun. Miku's closest association, aside from her music, is pretty nondescript since she's essentially a tool or an instrument. So throwing in content under the "Project DIVA" label wouldn't be quite as egregious as a full on anime or cartoon character, to me. I know you said "not a character" but again, Vocaloid is a tool that just happens to also be represented as characters so I think it's in line here.

What about gaming accessories? R.O.B. is one already. Just imagine the power glove as a fighter like a miniature master hand or a wii game console as a fighter?

 

[Ivander]

If people are arguing about toy representation in Smash, did I remind you that there was a Twitter account rallying for My Little Pony in Smash in a non-ironic fashion.

Yeah, the "For Smash" community in Twitter was weird.

I don't think anybody was arguing about toy representation. We were simply talking about notable interactive entertainment, like card games, LEGO, tabletop roleplaying, music programs, etc, and which ones would people be quite all right with if they got in Smash Bros.
Like it was simply brought up because I was going to mention card games regarding genres not represented with Playable characters in Smash and noted that while there are some videogame-exclusive card games, none of them reach anywhere near the popularity that Magic The Gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh have, since those two are easily among the top 3 for what someone would think about first when card games are brought up. The other one would be the Pokemon TCG, which Nintendo gives no attention to since the Pokemon content in Smash are based on the main videogames.

That aside, obviously you're going to have some people rallying for anything for Smash Bros. Some people still do for Goku, Shrek and Spongebob.

 

[Kirbeh]

I don't think anybody was arguing about toy representation. We were simply talking about notable interactive entertainment, like card games, LEGO, tabletop roleplaying, music programs, etc, and which ones would people be quite all right with if they got in Smash Bros.
Like it was simply brought up because I was going to mention card games regarding genres not represented with Playable characters in Smash and noted that while there are some videogame-exclusive card games, none of them reach anywhere near the popularity that Magic The Gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh have, since those two are easily among the top 3 for what someone would think about first when card games are brought up. The other one would be the Pokemon TCG, which Nintendo gives no attention to since the Pokemon content in Smash are based on the main videogames.

That aside, obviously you're going to have some people rallying for anything for Smash Bros. Some people still do for Goku, Shrek and Spongebob.

Are Legos, virtual pets (Digimon) and trading card games not considered toys though?

I get that that wasn't the intended topic, but I think many would define those as toys. They are "interactive media" but they can be considered both.

Back to the main point I'm sure there are plenty of people that would be accepting of content like Miku or Agumon as fighters or a Digimon equivalent to Pokeball Pokemon, etc.

I personally wouldn't want the dev team to prioritize this sort of thing if I'm being honest though. Again, main two of Vocaloid and Digimon are as far as I think they should stretch this sort of style "eligibility."

I think the case could be made for Baldur's Gate as a means of technical representation for D&D.

Despite my bias in favor of Yu-Gi-Oh however, I do think that that would be starting to cross the line. Even if it's just the cards as another Pokeball style assist item. As I mentioned in a previous post, I think this would only work if they keep it strictly to just summoning monsters and avoid content from the manga/anime. I.e. no Yugi/Seto, no stage as actual locations would be off limits as well, etc.

Lego I'm mostly neutral towards but it would definitely raise an eyebrow outside of maybe spirits of Lego Mario and at most generous the one guy from Lego City. I guess a stage would be kind of cool. I'm not wholly against it but I guess for me it's starting to skirt the line of just throwing in anything.

I guess my tl;dr is that I'm not necessarily opposed to a select few cases, but I think Smash should retain it's priority on actual video game series.

 

[fogbadge]

That people will still say that Min Min was purely an advertisement to push ARMS, but then say that Pyra and Mythra were simply popular requests and that advertising has little to do with their inclusion. Some even say that Sakurai always wanted to include a Xenoblade Chronicles 2 character and they only missed their shot due to the timing of Ultimate's project plan, and then say that he was forced to include ARMS. They were both noted to be inclusions he thought were missing due to timing.

They're all popular characters from their franchises, while simultaneously being used as advertisement. Pyra and Mythra are worthwhile inclusions, and Min Min is too

yeah everyone knows Rex was the popular request

Wake up America!

does that mean i can go back to bed?

 

[Stratos]

From what I understand about Virtual Pet it is considered both a toy and a genre of video game at the same time. Am I writing them correctly or am I wrong?

 

[AlRex]

Are pinball games eligible for Smash? How about skeeball? Isn’t a crane game already an assist trophy sort of? What about if a character was made to promote a jukebox? Is Chuck E. Cheese eligible? These are the kinds of questions that keep me up at night. I am a strange individual.

Also edutainment was brought up earlier, and Carmen Sandiego would be great, IMO. She has about as many TV shows as Sonic does, for what it’s worth.

 

[Gengar84]

I’m open to just about anything in Smash as long as the character is cool and/or fun to play. I think if Smash were to change direction, I’d even be up for something like Nintendo vs. Marvel.

As far as questionable eligibility for the current Smash goes, I think Magic: the Gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh would both be a lot of fun. I’ve been into MtG since middle school and Yu-Gi-Oh is my friend’s favorite property ever.

There’s a few other categories that are questionable that I’d be happy to see. How would people feel about characters that originate from game IP but outside media like Jessie and James from the Pokémon anime or Silco from Arcane? On the flip side, there are characters that originate from video games of non game IP like Android 21 from DBFZ or Starkiller from The Force Unleashed. There’s also characters like Lu Bu from Dynasty Warriors or Masamune Date from Sengoku Basara who are based on actual people but were made into their own thing in video games. Turok and the Witcher were originally comics but I feel like both are probably more known for their video games. I think any of these would be fun as well.

 

[fogbadge]

From what I understand about Virtual Pet it is considered both a toy and a genre of video game at the same time. Am I writing them correctly or am I wrong?

that's about right.

Are pinball games eligible for Smash? How about skeeball? Isn’t a crane game already an assist trophy sort of? What about if a character was made to promote a jukebox? Is Chuck E. Cheese eligible? These are the kinds of questions that keep me up at night. I am a strange individual.

reassure yourself by remembering there's always a far stranger individual in the world and it's probably me

 

[osby]

How would people feel about characters that originate from game IP but outside media like Jessie and James from the Pokémon anime or Silco from Arcane?

I wouldn't mind them but I don't think there's any case where I think they are particularly worthwhile additions. Like, Jesse and James are fun but I think I prefer Pokemon over people when it comes to Smash fighters.

There’s also characters like Lu Bu from Dynasty Warriors or Masamune Date from Sengoku Basara who are based on actual people but were made into their own thing in video games.

Yeah, in both cases, you are talking about video game characters. It's the same thing with Disney characters based on fairy tales and books - they are animated movie characters as that's the version that the copyright owner holds.

Turok and the Witcher were originally comics but I feel like both are probably more known for their video games.

Going from that perspective, I'd argue that a few characters in Smash are actually more well-known for their adaptations - for example, there are a lot of people who don't know that Pokemon started as a game series. Personally, I don't think that's a good metric of who should be included in Smash.

 

[Stratos]

I don't think I'd enjoy a Nintendo vs. Disney game, though then I could be wrong. The truth is that Nintendo has earned the nickname "Disney of video games" by some, but I still don't think I'd like it, let alone they make it, not wanting to spoil anyone's hopes for such a video game.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

On the kind of question of things not exactly represented...this is less about video games and genres and more about "notably popular entertainment".

But rather, if something, not a character, but something particularly notable regarding forms of interactive entertainment got into Smash, what would you want and be okay with in Smash? Not so much movies and comic books, but more of like, the forms of entertainment that you interact with and can be creative and do stuff with?

Like the other said, probably Toys.

Not only was Nintendo a Toy Company before hand with references and representation included in Smash with Ultra Hand, Nes Zapper even stuff like ROB becoming a character despite never having a game of his own but also it fits quite with the lore of Smash Bros of the characters, stages etc all being toys being formed by the child's imagination.

In a meta sense as well, Video Games themselves are in some way form of Toy themselves maybe not recognised in the light to insecurity. Regardless, now with this type of idea in mind, Imagine a Smash Bros x Hasbro game being the supposed reboot.

Really far-fetched, tinfoil hat stuff. But Imagine Nintendo characters crossing over with stuff like Transformers, G.I Joe, My Little Pony. Power Rangers. Ngl, that sounds a lot more exciting to me than just usual partners for the Nintendo x.

 

[Gengar84]

Like the other said, probably Toys.

Not only was Nintendo a Toy Company before hand with references and representation included in Smash with Ultra Hand, Nes Zapper even stuff like ROB becoming a character despite never having a game of his own but also it fits quite with the lore of Smash Bros of the characters, stages etc all being toys being formed by the child's imagination.

In a meta sense as well, Video Games themselves are in some way form of Toy themselves maybe not recognised in the light to insecurity. Regardless, now with this type of idea in mind, Imagine a Smash Bros x Hasbro game being the supposed reboot.

Really far-fetched, tinfoil hat stuff. But Imagine Nintendo characters crossing over with stuff like Transformers, G.I Joe, My Little Pony. Power Rangers. Ngl, that sounds a lot more exciting to me than just usual partners for the Nintendo x.

If I could choose any property for a Nintendo vs. game or side Smash style game, it would be the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. TMNT has been my personal favorite property since I was a little kid. I was born the same year the original comics came out so I basically grew up with it. TMNT has pretty strong ties to video game history and many of the most popular games were on Nintendo consoles so that’s something at least. We did already have Smash Up and there are a few characters in the Nick Allstars game but I feel neither really lived up to its potential. Not to mention, I’m not a huge Nickelodeon fan otherwise.

The biggest problem is their popularity isn’t nearly what it was in the lat 80’s to early 90’s but they are still staying somewhat relevant after all this time. Secondly, it would be really weird for “company vs single property” so I’d say a Vs. game is out of the question. I would love to see Sakurai make a dedicated TMNT Smash style game maybe with the Battletoads and Street Sharks as DLC guests. Sadly, I don’t think the chances are too great of any of these happening but that would be my personal dream game.

 

[AlRex]

Nintendo VS DC makes more sense to me than Marvel somehow, if only as a counterpart to Marvel VS CAPCOM, and because I can see a Brave & the Bold/DCAU type of tone meshing well with a tone that’s somehow inclusive of both Metroid and Animal Crossing. Also Nintendo and DC both feel like “the big traditional one”, with the most recognized character, while Marvel is kind of a reaction to DC. Plus there’s a slightly greater propensity in both Nintendo and DC for apes. None of this seems likely, anyways, don’t worry about it.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If people are arguing about toy representation in Smash, did I remind you that there was a Twitter account rallying for My Little Pony in Smash in a non-ironic fashion.

Obviously that community needs to rally behind a Them's Fightin' Herds character.

From what I understand about Virtual Pet it is considered both a toy and a genre of video game at the same time. Am I writing them correctly or am I wrong?

Tamagotchis are as much video games as Game & Watch games are. So if G&W counts, virtual pets count.

 

[Gengar84]

Nintendo VS DC makes more sense to me than Marvel somehow, if only as a counterpart to Marvel VS CAPCOM, and because I can see a Brave & the Bold/DCAU type of tone meshing well with a tone that’s somehow inclusive of both Metroid and Animal Crossing. Also Nintendo and DC both feel like “the big traditional one”, with the most recognized character, while Marvel is kind of a reaction to DC. Plus there’s a slightly greater propensity in both Nintendo and DC for apes. None of this seems likely, anyways, don’t worry about it.

I think both could make for fun games. I’m personally more invested in Marvel characters than DC but both have lots of great characters. Too bad TMNT is its own thing and likely wouldn’t be in either. They did show up in Injustice and have had crossovers with Batman so I suppose it’s not out of the question as a guest. TMNT was originally created as a Daredevil parody so there are also Marvel connections.They also have another very loose connection to Marvel through Capcom and the TMNT costumes in Street Fighter VI but that one’s a bit of a stretch admittedly.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If I could choose any property for a Nintendo vs. game or side Smash style game, it would be the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

You know they already had one, right?

We did already have Smash Up and there are a few characters in the Nick Allstars game but I feel neither really lived up to its potential.

I guess you do.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

So the Level 5 vision just aired and the new Layton game that was planned for 2024 is now planned for 2025. Considering how Level 5 sucks at respecting release date (yes, the 2023 Inazuma eleven, the new Fantasy life and Decapolice are also delayed), I wouldn't be shocked if Layton ends up being a 2026 release.

I'm bringing this up because Layton is one of my most wanted third party characters, and we know that timing is very important to how Smash characters are chosen. But I think that if the game is delayed too much it would hurt a lot of Layton chances because he would "miss the boat".

 

[Gengar84]

You know they already had one, right?

I guess you do.

Yeah, Smash Up felt pretty cheap honestly. It played like Smash if no character had special moves and focused a bit too much on the 2007 movie at the expense of the rest of the series. There have been so many great characters before and since that you could easily fill up at least a Smash 4 sized roster with fun and unique characters. I did enjoy elements of the game but it could have been so much better. I’d like to see a new game made by a more experienced team in the genre that pulled from across the whole franchise.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Hear me out:
Nintendo vs. Universal

 

[Gengar84]

Hear me out:
Nintendo vs. Universal

I’d be down for that too. Multiversus had a fun roster and you’d still be able to include most of the major DC characters.