Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[SPEN18]

Again, saying clones are safe because they're easy to make is not the right way to think about it. Not when historically clones have been a typical target for cuts. I also think people greatly underestimate how much work goes into the semiclones, and I wouldn't just assume all the Echoes are coming back, either.

When it comes to Dr. Mario, how many characters would you realistically actually prioritize him over, even just among the clones?

 

[fogbadge]

Again, saying clones are safe because they're easy to make is not the right way to think about it. Not when historically clones have been a typical target for cuts. I also think people greatly underestimate how much work goes into the semiclones, and I wouldn't just assume all the Echoes are coming back, either.

When it comes to Dr. Mario, how many characters would you realistically actually prioritize him over, even just among the clones?

most of them

 

[Perkilator]

Speaking of clones (I don’t know why I never thought of this before); you guys know how Mach Rider was supposed to be in Melee? Well, what if Mach Rider got into Melee as the Captain Falcon clone?

 

[SPEN18]

Speaking of clones (I don’t know why I never thought of this before); you guys know how Mach Rider was supposed to be in Melee? Well, what if Mach Rider got into Melee as the Captain Falcon clone?

"Supposed to be in Melee"? No way.

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He was only mentioned as a joke response to a question, very likely just as a way to avoid the question entirely with a nonserious answer.

Mach Rider also wouldn't work well as a Captain Falcon clone. Doing that, you really wouldn't be capitalizing on any of his quirky abilities, without which most fans probably wouldn't give him any attention at all.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I very much prefer playing as Dr Mario over regular Mario.

He feel more comfortable to me.

 

[Oracle Link]

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[Louie G.]

Stretching beyond Dr. Mario, I've been flip flopping a bit on where the rest of the Mario gang stands. Unfortunately Piranha Plant will probably get cut loose if push comes to shove, but Rosalina and Bowser Jr are intriguing to me.

Like, obviously are about as essential as you can get. Beyond this, and if you want to count them, the others are going to essentially be supporting characters / flavor picks. But then again, I don't think I can really undermine Bowser Jr's current role in the series. He is a MAJOR antagonist and his significance really hasn't dipped since his debut in Smash 4. What has me hung up on BJ is just that he's never been a very well realized character, in my eyes. A lot of his kit doesn't come together too well and he's not a very popular character to play. We often weigh a character's significance in their own series especially high but lately I've been wondering if it might be equally worth thinking about their popularity and role within the confines of Smash itself. Bowser Jr is inarguably one of the most important Mario characters as of late but feels like a less essential Smash Bros character.

Rosalina on the other hand, she's still a usual suspect in a number of Mario spinoffs but I think her omnipotence has dwindled since Smash 4. Not as universally significant as Bowser Jr but still popular. I think her playstyle in Smash justifies itself a little more with its unique puppeteer gameplay and flashy galaxy aesthetics. She stands out more, but her playstyle also fills a niche that is similarly unpopular. I think the reasons for this are different though, while Rosa doesn't get as much play because she has a high skill floor I think Bowser Jr gets outclassed by other characters on the roster.

So I think wins out measuring significance to the Mario series at large, and wins in the context of bringing an original playstyle and unique flair to Smash Bros. Feel like you could go either way on this, and very plausibly we won't have to choose, but I'm not convinced that either of them are completely safe.

Oh right, is a different conversation altogether but I think she's just been consistently winning lately and if she's that easy to bring back, I don't see why they wouldn't. I expect she will only get more important as time goes on. I hope she'll have an opportunity to become more like Peach's Luigi or Falco - I think removing her float in favor of faster ground speed and increased strength would already do a lot to make her distinct.

 

[Sucumbio]

I don't remember but in Melee is Mario and Dr. Mario identical except for the graphics or does he have different values too? I know in Ultimate they're different and at this point it'd seem like a step down to revert Dr. Mario to being just a pallette swap. But if that's the only way he gets in then okay.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don't remember but in Melee is Mario and Dr. Mario identical except for the graphics or does he have different values too? I know in Ultimate they're different and at this point it'd seem like a step down to revert Dr. Mario to being just a pallette swap. But if that's the only way he gets in then okay.

They tried to make him stronger but slower in Melee, but forgot the "slower" part.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I don't remember but in Melee is Mario and Dr. Mario identical except for the graphics or does he have different values too? I know in Ultimate they're different and at this point it'd seem like a step down to revert Dr. Mario to being just a pallette swap. But if that's the only way he gets in then okay.

They have very different values on their attacks.

Their animations are identical.

 

[Oracle Link]

am i the only one who thinks that TOTK and Mario bros wonder need more renders?
I mean we havent even gotten a Yunobo render!

 

[Stratos]

I don't know how you guys are going to take this, but I wonder when the 10th generation of Pokémon comes out, will the Pokémon anime series still have Liko and Roy as the main characters or will it be someone else? As you know every time a new generation of Pokémon is released it shows them in the Pokémon anime series depending on the generation as well as the new region.

 

[Gengar84]

I don't know how you guys are going to take this, but I wonder when the 10th generation of Pokémon comes out, will the Pokémon anime series still have Liko and Roy as the main characters or will it be someone else? As you know every time a new generation of Pokémon is released it shows them in the Pokémon anime series depending on the generation as well as the new region.

I’m kind of expecting them to change now with every generation but I haven’t regularly watched the Pokémon anime since Gen 2 and haven’t seen anything since Gen 7. Are they generally well received as characters? That might factor into whether they stick around.

On the subject of Pokémon trainers, what does everyone think of a potential playable trainer character that functions like Yuna in Dissidia where they physically fight but summon various Pokémon for quick special attacks? I think this could be a fun, unique direction for characters like fighting type gym leaders/Elite four members, evil team leaders, Lusamine/Nihilego, Jessie/James/Meowth, and others.

 

[fogbadge]

I’m kind of expecting them to change now with every generation but I haven’t regularly watched the Pokémon anime since Gen 2 and haven’t seen anything since Gen 7. Are they generally well received as characters? That might factor into whether they stick around.

On the subject of Pokémon trainers, what does everyone think of a potential playable trainer character that functions like Yuna in Dissidia where they physically fight but summon various Pokémon for quick special attacks? I think this could be a fun, unique direction for characters like fighting type gym leaders/Elite four members, evil team leaders, Lusamine/Nihilego, Jessie/James/Meowth, and others.

not a bad concept for a character but I don’t think it suits a Pokemon trainer

 

[toonito]

While I don't see it happening officially, you're only 11 Characters away from 100 so it's feasible. As a matter of fact, I'm going to do it now:

1. Oatchi
2. Bandanna Waddle Dee
3. Mio
4. Pig Ganon
5. Minerva
6. Primarina
7. Madeline
8. Phoenix Wright
9. Black Mage
10. Eggman
11. Doomguy

1. Sol Badguy
2. Chun-Li
3. Dante
4. Doom Guy
5. Crash Bandicoot
6. Impa (Age of Calamity Version)
7. Bandana Waddle Dee
8. Toad
9. Leon Kennedy and Jill Valentine
10. Ryu Hayabusa
11. 2B

 

[Gengar84]

not a bad concept for a character but I don’t think it suits a Pokemon trainer

I think it only really works for very particular types of trainers. I could definitely see a fighting type trainer like Bea joining her team in the fight. It’s true that it’s not really how it works mechanically in the games but it makes sense flavorfully in my opinion. There was an episode of the anime where Bea is physically training alongside her Machamp. Lusamine/Nihilego makes a lot of sense as well since she was being mind controlled by a Pokémon so you’re technically still controlling a Pokémon as a primary fighter. Lysander had his crazy Dr. Octopus arms that could be really interesting. I feel like there’s a few other types of trainers that this idea could work for but it is pretty limited.

 

[fogbadge]

I think it only really works for very particular types of trainers. I could definitely see a fighting type trainer like Bea joining her team in the fight. It’s true that it’s not really how it works mechanically in the games but it makes sense flavorfully in my opinion. There was an episode of the anime where Bea is physically training alongside her Machamp. Lusamine/Nihilego makes a lot of sense as well since she was being mind controlled by a Pokémon so you’re technically still controlling a Pokémon as a primary fighter. Lysander had his crazy Dr. Octopus arms that could be really interesting. I feel like there’s a few other types of trainers that this idea could work for but it is pretty limited.

ok that does sound like it might be better but I dunno

 

[Gengar84]

ok that does sound like it might be better but I dunno

Yeah, I don’t think the idea is particularly likely but I think it could be a lot of fun and give us a very different type of character for the series. It also allows for various representation of multiple Pokémon without needing to create a whole moveset for each one and wouldn’t just be reusing the existing Pokémon Trainer idea.

One quick example of a Pokémon summon attack is Jessie could summon Wobuffet for a reflector or counter kind of like what Peach does with Toad. Another is James could summon a Victreebel or Carnivine that had a random chance to either bite the opponent or himself. If it bit James, he could run around flailing for a bit damaging anyone he ran into. If it but the opponent, it could also stun them for a bit like ZSS’s charged gun.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Honestly I just think Dr. Mario is funny because if he hadn't gotten in Melee, he'd be seen as an utterly deranged choice. Like in the alternate timeline where he does not get in Smash, if you suggested him, you'd get your **** kicked in and be called a madman.

At least until Echoes were introduced. "How about Dr. Mario as a Mario echo?" sounds reasonable.

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[Gengar84]

At least until Echoes were introduced. "How about Dr. Mario as a Mario echo?" sounds reasonable.

I suppose but do you think people would have just requested Doc as an alt outfit of Mario instead of an echo if he hadn’t already been a Smash veteran? Doctor Mario is literally just Mario in a doctor’s outfit so that would have made a lot more sense to me than an echo. It’s like if people asked for shirtless Sephiroth as a Sephiroth echo.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I suppose but do you think people would have just requested Doc as an alt outfit of Mario instead of an echo if he hadn’t already been a Smash veteran?

For sure, most people would suggest an alt costume. But once Echoes were introduced, suggesting he be an Echo would at least not get your **** kicked in.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I dont think we need another Pokemon trainer esque character, it ruins the unique nature of Pokemon trainer.

I don't know how you guys are going to take this, but I wonder when the 10th generation of Pokémon comes out, will the Pokémon anime series still have Liko and Roy as the main characters or will it be someone else? As you know every time a new generation of Pokémon is released it shows them in the Pokémon anime series depending on the generation as well as the new region.

I really hope they do the Yugioh thing where a new cast comes in every few years.

 

[Oracle Link]

Honestly having a good like 26 character zelda smash would be a dream come true!
Finnally i could make my zelda dream battles come true!
But ill need:
Toon link and Toon Zelda
one character of each race
and enemys and bosses!
Or give me a zelda maker!
Or A ton of action figures or plushys!
Nintendo just let me tell my own zelda stories!

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah, I don’t think the idea is particularly likely but I think it could be a lot of fun and give us a very different type of character for the series. It also allows for various representation of multiple Pokémon without needing to create a whole moveset for each one and wouldn’t just be reusing the existing Pokémon Trainer idea.

One quick example of a Pokémon summon attack is Jessie could summon Wobuffet for a reflector or counter kind of like what Peach does with Toad. Another is James could summon a Victreebel or Carnivine that had a random chance to either bite the opponent or himself. If it bit James, he could run around flailing for a bit damaging anyone he ran into. If it but the opponent, it could also stun them for a bit like ZSS’s charged gun.

that does sound funny. though I’d hope the Pokemon would get a better billing than toad does. as it stands he’s on the same level as a mecha koopa

 

[Gengar84]

I dont think we need another Pokemon trainer esque character, it ruins the unique nature of Pokemon trainer.


I really hope they do the Yugioh thing where a new cast comes in every few years.

The idea I was proposing would play entirely differently than Pokémon Trainer. The one we have functions as more of a three character transformation with the trainer standing in the background. That’s the most accurate to how trainers function in the mainline games but doesn’t have to be the only way. In my proposal, the player controls the trainer as a primary fighter that summons Pokémon for specials to perform a quick attack and disappear, like how Yuna works in Dissidia. Again, this only really makes sense with certain trainers but it would definitely be unique.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

As far as the Mario cast goes (since I saw it brought up earlier), obviously Mario, Luigi, Bowser, and Peach are safe.

I feel like Rosalina and Bowser Jr. are also pretty safe picks, and even though I love Plant, I could see it getting cut if the cuts are substantial enough.

I feel like Dr. Mario has a chance to get cut as well, and tbh, unless they substantially change Daisy like Falco in Brawl, I think I'd honestly prefer Daisy just become an Alph style alt for Peach since their values are EXACTLY the same, it's just a matter of animations for taunts and victory animations.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I can see Rosalina getting cut because she doesnt seem as prominent in the franchise these days as she was when they put her in smash 4.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I can see Rosalina getting cut because she doesnt seem as prominent in the franchise these days as she was when they put her in smash 4.

That's true, but I have this feeling she'll be sticking around, partially because of Bowser's Fury and 3D All-Stars, and partially just because Galaxy is a really big deal in the franchise. If the cuts are substantial enough, I could see it though, especially when Bowser Jr. just showed up in a prominent antagonistic role in Wonder.

 

[smashkirby]

On the subject of Pokémon trainers, what does everyone think of a potential playable trainer character that functions like Yuna in Dissidia where they physically fight but summon various Pokémon for quick special attacks? I think this could be a fun, unique direction for characters like fighting type gym leaders/Elite four members, evil team leaders, Lusamine/Nihilego, Jessie/James/Meowth, and others.

I'll be honest, I sort of envisioned Cynthia playing like this, to separate her from Red and Leaf.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Clone or not, I always thought Dr. Mario as a separate playable character was one of the most pointless additions to Smash.

I use to think that in Melee.

Nowadays, with how different Mario plays now, I think having another Mario like him is not bad.

 

[Louie G.]

I can see Rosalina getting cut because she doesnt seem as prominent in the franchise these days as she was when they put her in smash 4.

And that's kinda the question I was trying to pose, contesting the idea that relevance is gonna be the be all end all to who takes priority and not who offers more to the game itself. Rosalina is uncontested in her gameplay niche, nobody else does this puppeteer thing and we have very few characters embracing more of a cosmic flair. Personally I wouldn't be incredibly distraught if we lost her (I like playing Bowser Jr and Plant much more) but she has the most distinct "archetype" and I think maintaining a certain level of gameplay variety is something we gloss over sometimes unless we're talking about straight up clones.

Which is to say I'm still a little undecided which of these two aspects are more important, certainly in a best case scenario a character can deliver on both fronts. But I do feel like Rosalina's unique role in the roster might feel like the biggest loss of the potential Mario cuts if it was deemed necessary. Although I do think Smash 4 was the "right" time for her. If she didn't make it at the time I'm unsure how popular or practical of a choice she would seem now - that shouldn't exactly be held against her, but I think it's interesting to reflect on some of these choices that just conveniently fell into place.

I think the takeaway here is that the stars may need to align to get into Smash, but we haven't historically seen very many cuts on the basis of relevance alone yet. There's often an added aspect of lack of moveset identity or functionality that makes a character lower priority - Mewtwo is like the only first party outlier to this although his moveset was functionally awful in Melee, so there's even a case to be made there.

 

[dream1ng]

Honestly I just think Dr. Mario is funny because if he hadn't gotten in Melee, he'd be seen as an utterly deranged choice. Like in the alternate timeline where he does not get in Smash, if you suggested him, you'd get your **** kicked in and be called a madman. But due to specific circumstances he's just been grandfathered into the Smash roster. It's hilarious

We're so used to the Melee characters, but I can only imagine when the game was coming out/had recently dropped. What a weird cluster**** of new additions.

Peach and Bowser make sense. But then thinking your new Zelda character was just Sheik. The one-off transformation who didn't really do much, over Zelda or Ganon/dorf. Then you do get Zelda, and, it's not like her own arsenal was that deep then, but she just uses non-faithful versions of things Link does. Which is nothing to say of Ganondorf, who everyone was psyched on, and then he's just a Captain Falcon clone.

And then Ice Climbers, who are ok? But... very very random. Like, there's no Wario, there's no Diddy, there's no Dedede... but there's Ice Climbers. Even Pit was more popular. Little Mac too, probably, in the west.

Then there are these two randos named Marth and Roy and I have no ****ing clue where they're from. I mean they're cool and all but it's harder to by hyped when you've no idea who they are. But they're cool. Still trying to figure out if Marth is a girl, can someone who speaks Japanese clarify?

But it's cool they added Mewtwo, people like him. Wait... this dude is no fun at all to play. Dang, they ruined Mewtwo. Yeah, cut this guy (seriously, there was a notable contingent who wanted Mewtwo cut... until he was cut). Oh, and there's Pichu. Yay.... wait, he hurts himself, and he dies at like 50%? Sakurai!

Also what the **** is a Mr. Game and Watch? What does that mean?!? WHO IS THIS??

And why on earth would they add Dr. Mario when they could've added Wario?! He's just... another Mario... (Obviously good they didn't, but I don't doubt this was a take back then). And speaking of just another: Young Link? We already have Link? Why do we need Young Link? Why are there so many clones?! Falco is cool though.

This game is really fun and all but a lot of these new characters choices are kinda [insert outdated c. 2001 insult here]. Also why are there so many Zelda characters when Metroid and Kirby and DK only have one? Don't worry, next time they'll add Ridley. He was already in the opening trailer.


Not saying everyone would've been like this, but I can only imagine there was a bit of whiplash to what is, to be fair, very much not the strongest lineup of newcomers Smash has had.

 

[Dan Quixote]

I very much prefer playing as Dr Mario over regular Mario.

He feel more comfortable to me.

Yeah this is the problem I face lol

I realize that Dr. Mario is a real superfluous presence, but he's just so fun to play as! Of all the fighters in the "slow but powerful" category he's my favorite. The reverse hitbox timing on the sex kick, the BEEFY forward air, the tornado, the shoryuken... would be kinda a shame to lose em even if I know there are even other echo fighters that probably deserve the dev resources more.

 

[Stratos]

Still to give Waluigi a chance to star in his own game or at least a Wario game, so I don't see him coming to any Super Smash Bros games as a newcomer. Nevertheless, I and some others continue to hold out hope that it will one day happen.

 

[Jave]

We're so used to the Melee characters, but I can only imagine when the game was coming out/had recently dropped. What a weird cluster**** of new additions.

Peach and Bowser make sense. But then thinking your new Zelda character was just Sheik. The one-off transformation who didn't really do much, over Zelda or Ganon/dorf. Then you do get Zelda, and, it's not like her own arsenal was that deep then, but she just uses non-faithful versions of things Link does. Which is nothing to say of Ganondorf, who everyone was psyched on, and then he's just a Captain Falcon clone.

And then Ice Climbers, who are ok? But... very very random. Like, there's no Wario, there's no Diddy, there's no Dedede... but there's Ice Climbers. Even Pit was more popular. Little Mac too, probably, in the west.

Then there are these two randos named Marth and Roy and I have no ****ing clue where they're from. I mean they're cool and all but it's harder to by hyped when you've no idea who they are. But they're cool. Still trying to figure out if Marth is a girl, can someone who speaks Japanese clarify?

But it's cool they added Mewtwo, people like him. Wait... this dude is no fun at all to play. Dang, they ruined Mewtwo. Yeah, cut this guy (seriously, there was a notable contingent who wanted Mewtwo cut... until he was cut). Oh, and there's Pichu. Yay.... wait, he hurts himself, and he dies at like 50%? Sakurai!

Also what the **** is a Mr. Game and Watch? What does that mean?!? WHO IS THIS??

And why on earth would they add Dr. Mario when they could've added Wario?! He's just... another Mario... (Obviously good they didn't, but I don't doubt this was a take back then). And speaking of just another: Young Link? We already have Link? Why do we need Young Link? Why are there so many clones?! Falco is cool though.

This game is really fun and all but a lot of these new characters choices are kinda [insert outdated c. 2001 insult here]. Also why are there so many Zelda characters when Metroid and Kirby and DK only have one? Don't worry, next time they'll add Ridley. He was already in the opening trailer.


Not saying everyone would've been like this, but I can only imagine there was a bit of whiplash to what is, to be fair, very much not the strongest lineup of newcomers Smash has had.

The full Melee roster leaked shortly before the game released. Tons of people thought it was a joke, but then the game released and people slowly saw their worst nightmare come true as they unlocked characters. I saw it happen. It wasn't pretty.

 

[fogbadge]

I never questioned the roster

 

[SPEN18]

Rosalina is still pretty relevant.

I mean, she's no longer the new star character in the most recent mega-seller 3D Mario game...but there is a LOT of territory between that and irrelevance.

I still think the most likely outcome is both Rosa and Jr are kept. On my board I have them in that range of characters that are more than likely safe but could be on the bubble in some of the more extreme cuts scenarios.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

We're so used to the Melee characters, but I can only imagine when the game was coming out/had recently dropped. What a weird cluster**** of new additions.

Peach and Bowser make sense. But then thinking your new Zelda character was just Sheik. The one-off transformation who didn't really do much, over Zelda or Ganon/dorf. Then you do get Zelda, and, it's not like her own arsenal was that deep then, but she just uses non-faithful versions of things Link does. Which is nothing to say of Ganondorf, who everyone was psyched on, and then he's just a Captain Falcon clone.

And then Ice Climbers, who are ok? But... very very random. Like, there's no Wario, there's no Diddy, there's no Dedede... but there's Ice Climbers. Even Pit was more popular. Little Mac too, probably, in the west.

Then there are these two randos named Marth and Roy and I have no ****ing clue where they're from. I mean they're cool and all but it's harder to by hyped when you've no idea who they are. But they're cool. Still trying to figure out if Marth is a girl, can someone who speaks Japanese clarify?

But it's cool they added Mewtwo, people like him. Wait... this dude is no fun at all to play. Dang, they ruined Mewtwo. Yeah, cut this guy (seriously, there was a notable contingent who wanted Mewtwo cut... until he was cut). Oh, and there's Pichu. Yay.... wait, he hurts himself, and he dies at like 50%? Sakurai!

Also what the **** is a Mr. Game and Watch? What does that mean?!? WHO IS THIS??

And why on earth would they add Dr. Mario when they could've added Wario?! He's just... another Mario... (Obviously good they didn't, but I don't doubt this was a take back then). And speaking of just another: Young Link? We already have Link? Why do we need Young Link? Why are there so many clones?! Falco is cool though.

This game is really fun and all but a lot of these new characters choices are kinda [insert outdated c. 2001 insult here]. Also why are there so many Zelda characters when Metroid and Kirby and DK only have one? Don't worry, next time they'll add Ridley. He was already in the opening trailer.


Not saying everyone would've been like this, but I can only imagine there was a bit of whiplash to what is, to be fair, very much not the strongest lineup of newcomers Smash has had.

Youu channeled my 9 year old's selfs thought when i first played melee in 05 perfectly.

 

[Curious Villager]

Okay, I know most of us can agree that Doc is superfluous in nature. He was made as a last minute clone because the development team loved the Dr. Mario theme (good taste).

But do you think Doc has enough merits to stay around? He's fairly popular in the context of Smash, and Dr. Mario is still an ongoing franchise, only recently taking a break after their mobile game ended service. Seemingly, he was also planned to return to Brawl, unlike Pichu and Young Link. He's also the only puzzle rep we have on the roster (unless Puyo Puyo gets something). I don't think he's even close to being a lock, but I think he's more likely to return than most think.

I mean, I appreciate that he's pretty much the sole Puzzle game character we've had up to this point, without him that gaming genre would have been pretty much left dry in Smash. We've been pushing 20 years and going 5 entries in and Tetris is still barely acknowledged in Smash outside of a couple Brawl songs and some PNG's somehow... How we still don't have a stage or Assist Trophy at least will remain a puzzle in of its own...

I'd appreciate a more focused moveset or at least a dedicated stage for him if anything, but at this point, if they aren't planning to do much more with him I'd very much prefer to see the likes of Arle, Lip, Layton and/or maybe even Mallo from Pushmo fill in the void better than he could as far as puzzle based gaming characters go...


Edit: Speaking of Mallo, its sad to know that with the 3DS and Wii U eshops closing, that's one series pretty much completely gone now (outside of resorting to heading down the seven sea's). Hopefully IS brings the series back on modern hardware one day...

 

[Laniv]

A live-action Legend of Zelda movie is currently in development:

This is Miyamoto. I have been working on the live-action film of The Legend of Zelda for many years now with Avi Arad-san, who has produced many mega hit films. [1]

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