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No, I feel you, though I think that was mainly just Giga Bowser since his speed was so low and his jump height was non-existent. Otherwise yeah, the big stages where Giga simply had no chance of keeping up and where Super Sonic and Landmaster could get stuck on parts of the stage.
I think Lucario’s and Little Mac’s transformation final smashes felt pretty weak in Smash 4. I was never able to do much with them compared to other smash attacks. I think Wario had another transformation in Brawl but it’s hard to remember how good that one was. Again, maybe it’s just me being bad at catching people and others used them a lot better. It’s sad because I love the transformations conceptually but they never really led to fun gameplay for me.
I agree on that. My only concern is that I don’t want everyone’s abilities to be solely based on the most recent game like some people propose. I like the thought of the characters movesets as an amalgamation of all their most iconic skills from across the series. It’s cool to take some ideas from the most recent entries but I don’t think that should be all there is. Not saying your suggestion is anything like that, just a general preference of mine.
I suppose EX moves would work too, but I feel they'd be far more limited than what proper supers could offer. We'd miss out on potential utility or install supers for example.
You could make the argument that Zelda and Ganondorf don't exactly have "iconic skills" in the first place. Ganondorf's abilities are wildly inconsistent, and Zelda only uses her Light Arrows some of the time.
I'd say "super moves" just being souped-up specials works as a "general but not concrete rule": it's mostly followed but there are still exceptions (hell, Street Fighter follows this already).
What I meant was that a big revamp is only really feasible for Zelda and Ganon, not that I'd like it. They're the only two whose portrayals in canon have diverged from Smash.
I see what you meant now. When I see "enhanced specials" I immediately think of EX moves since that's what that usually means.
Yeah, there really is no other Smash Character who punches quite like Ganondorf.
I agree on both ends. Especially because I care a lot more about the original SNES DKC trilogy than DK64 and most of Diddy’s attacks (that weren’t just made up for Smash) came from that game. I know it’s unpopular but I do still kind of wish they had gone with the original idea of a Diddy/Dixie team duo. I’d also love to see the animal buddies somehow incorporated into Smash because they were a big part of the fun of DKC and what really set it apart from other platformers. Both aspects are still possible with a Dixie or Dixie/Kiddy moveset at least.
you're confusing iconic with reoccurring
Yeah, I feel Ganon/Ganondorf’s most recognizable moves are Dead Man’s Volley, the ground pound, the spear toss, and the fire bats. He didn’t really do anything particularly interesting in his Wind Waker or Twilight Princess boss fights other than basic sword swings. I do need to get around to beating Tears though since I hear he has a lot of great material in that game.
Yeah, I’m not opposed to the idea. I’d love to see classic Ganon’s Oracle of Seasons/Ages design as its own character. At the same time, I do still want to see a completely separate character beyond just another incarnation of the Triforce trio. I’d be really happy if we got Ganon and one or two other new Zelda characters.
But their COULD be.
Except then Ganondorf still wouldn't play like any versions of Ganondorf. And Pig Ganon is already perfect as a boss.
This is what I’m talking about when I talk about my only real issue with clone characters. The character gets in as a clone due to time constraints but then never gets completely reworked to be more faithful to their source material because people enjoy playing as the current version. I’ve been a Ganondorf main since Melee so I can relate to that point but I still think it would be more fun if he played more true to his canon abilities.
This is what Project M did when it changed the Warlock Punch to Dead Man's Volley. And it reanimated it so it involves his sword taunt.
Huh, I never played Project M so I didn't actually know that.
I do not.
I don't know if it makes them any more viable than they already were as the most recent protagonists. Tales has pretty good odds of being one of the next Namco IPs on board in general (its only major competition being Dark Souls, in my opinion), and as a long running franchise I suspect it may get another new entry before the next Smash. In my eyes unless they're like super duper breakout stars their role will shift over to the next protagonist and so forth.
My logic is that being the most recent protagonist loses a lot of its advantages when your last appearance is still several years old. The fact that the DLC brings the characters into the spotlight again helps solve that issue. I do agree that they aren’t the only good options for Tales reps in Smash though.
I will admit that Lloyd does offer some pretty unique moveset potential for Smash. The only dual blade wielders we have right now are Pit and Dark Pit. Lloyd would finally give us another while also coming with his own particular set of skills (skills that make him a nightmare for people like you
).
It’s actually so wild that we’ve had so many swordies by now but this is still largely untapped. Lloyd has never been terribly exciting to me but at least this guarantees he would play and animate in a really unique way. I’m definitely open to seeing what they would do with it.
Exactly.
I'm looking forward to the next Ganondorf being still reminiscent of his roots but evolved even more than in Ultimate to show his new style from TotK.
I DO care about Ganon. I did grow up with him. And his OoT design is badass as hell.
But what if I want trident wielding classic pig Ganon? If we consistently get at least 2 Links and Zeldas, I don't see why adding Ganon would be a problem.
You know what confuses me tho? when people say Zelda should get a researcher moveset!
