Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[TheQuester]

What are some sleeper 3rd party picks iyo? (Basically ones that aren't brought up that often, doesn't matter if they're less likely than other characters, just post 'em)

. Prince of Persia (Prince of Persia)
. Marco (Metal Slug)
. Arthur (Ghost n' Goblins)
. Tiz Arrior (Bravely Default)
. Kunio Kun (River City)
. Space Invaders (Space Invaders)
. The Prince (Katamari)
. Goemon (Goemon)
. Laharl (Disgaea)
. Crono (Chrono Trigger)
. Ahri (League of Legends)

 

[Noipoi]

So, think we'll get a Direct announcement this week?

THE DIRECT WILL BE ANNOUNCED IN FIVE MINUTES

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

THE DIRECT WILL BE ANNOUNCED IN FIVE MINUTES

Ah, so it'll be something like 5 days. Gotcha.

 

[Perkilator]

So, think we'll get a Direct announcement this week?

Probably on Tuesday since tomorrow’s…

Yeah.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

What are some sleeper 3rd party picks iyo? (Basically ones that aren't brought up that often, doesn't matter if they're less likely than other characters, just post 'em)

. Prince of Persia (Prince of Persia)
. Marco (Metal Slug)
. Arthur (Ghost n' Goblins)
. Tiz Arrior (Bravely Default)
. Kunio Kun (River City)
. Space Invaders (Space Invaders)
. The Prince (Katamari)
. Goemon (Goemon)
. Laharl (Disgaea)
. Crono (Chrono Trigger)
. Ahri (League of Legends)

Alis Landale from Phantasy star and Frogger.

 

[Perkilator]

What are some sleeper 3rd party picks iyo? (Basically ones that aren't brought up that often, doesn't matter if they're less likely than other characters, just post 'em)

. Prince of Persia (Prince of Persia)
. Marco (Metal Slug)
. Arthur (Ghost n' Goblins)
. Tiz Arrior (Bravely Default)
. Kunio Kun (River City)
. Space Invaders (Space Invaders)
. The Prince (Katamari)
. Goemon (Goemon)
. Laharl (Disgaea)
. Crono (Chrono Trigger)
. Ahri (League of Legends)

• Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky)
• Bridget (Guilty Gear)
• Sakura Shinguji (Sakura Wars)

Pretty funny coincidence that the ones I listed here are all female characters

 

[Ivander]

So, think we'll get a Direct announcement this week?

I'll see what happens.

Last year happened on the 13th. 2021 happened on the 23rd. So we could be either getting an announcement soon or we might have to wait a week or two.

 

[toonito]

Alright, so, this may seem like a really obvious question to ask, but I wanted to just put this forward in a much more direct manner and see what ppl say.

Newcomers you think have a good shot for next game. Go.

*besides Pokemon, Mario, and FE

at least one of Dante/Shantae/Dragonborn/Lloyd Irving
a fighting game character (new franchise: Sol Badguy, existing franchise: Chun-Li)
2B (or Geno)
Noah/Mio
Bomberman
Splatoon/Animal Crossing?
Ring Fit Adventurer

AT promotions: Lyn and/or Isaac

 

[Hadokeyblade]

What are some sleeper 3rd party picks iyo? (Basically ones that aren't brought up that often, doesn't matter if they're less likely than other characters, just post 'em)

. Prince of Persia (Prince of Persia)
. Marco (Metal Slug)
. Arthur (Ghost n' Goblins)
. Tiz Arrior (Bravely Default)
. Kunio Kun (River City)
. Space Invaders (Space Invaders)
. The Prince (Katamari)
. Goemon (Goemon)
. Laharl (Disgaea)
. Crono (Chrono Trigger)
. Ahri (League of Legends)

Cybuster (Super robot wars Original generation)
Agumon (Digimon)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What are some sleeper 3rd party picks iyo? (Basically ones that aren't brought up that often, doesn't matter if they're less likely than other characters, just post 'em)

. Prince of Persia (Prince of Persia)
. Marco (Metal Slug)
. Arthur (Ghost n' Goblins)
. Tiz Arrior (Bravely Default)
. Kunio Kun (River City)
. Space Invaders (Space Invaders)
. The Prince (Katamari)
. Goemon (Goemon)
. Laharl (Disgaea)
. Crono (Chrono Trigger)
. Ahri (League of Legends)

• Aether/Lumine (Genshin Impact)
• Gunvolt (Azure Striker Gunvolt)

… I kinda also wanna say that guy from TimeSplitters. I remember there was this member here once that campaigned super hard for that guy. I hope they’re doing ok now

on a somewhat unrelated note, having played the latest splatfest,this song is absolute fire and the closest thing to Eurobeat in Smash and I need it in the next Smash

 

[chocolatejr9]

• Aether/Lumine (Genshin Impact)
• Gunvolt (Azure Striker Gunvolt)

… I kinda also wanna say that guy from TimeSplitters. I remember there was this member here once that campaigned super hard for that guy. I hope they’re doing ok now

on a somewhat unrelated note, having played the latest splatfest,this song is absolute fire and the closest thing to Eurobeat in Smash and I need it in the next Smash

SERGEANT CORTEZ, BABY! TIME TO SPLIT!!!

Man, I was just thinking about that guy earlier today. I remember it was revealed that they were making a new TimeSplitters awhile back, but recently Embracer Group (who own the rights to the IP) have apparently been going through some... issues. As in, "studios they own are getting shut down" kinds of issues.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

SERGEANT CORTEZ, BABY! TIME TO SPLIT!!!

Man, I was just thinking about that guy earlier today. I remember it was revealed that they were making a new TimeSplitters awhile back, but recently Embracer Group (who own the rights to the IP) have apparently been going through some... issues. As in, "studios they own are getting shut down" kinds of issues.

One of those studios wouldn’t happen to be Volition would it?

no doubt that Saints Row “reboot” and how they acted condescending to critics had a hand in that

 

[Guynamednelson]

SERGEANT CORTEZ, BABY! TIME TO SPLIT!!!

Man, I was just thinking about that guy earlier today. I remember it was revealed that they were making a new TimeSplitters awhile back, but recently Embracer Group (who own the rights to the IP) have apparently been going through some... issues. As in, "studios they own are getting shut down" kinds of issues.

I had a feeling this is the closest we'd ever get to more Timesplitters content anyway.

And even then, it's extra steps if you wanna play more than the first two missions of TS2's main campaign.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

Splatfest spoilers

Spoiler

Shiver won.

 

[Ivander]

Splatfest spoilers

Spoiler

Shiver won.

If I've been hearing correctly:

Spoiler

Hasn't she won just about every Splatfest? I know Shiver is the most popular out of the 3.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

If I've been hearing correctly:

Spoiler

Hasn't she won just about every Splatfest? I know Shiver is often the most popular out of the 3.

Frye won Taste Sensation (Sweet) and Big Man won 2 (Pokémon with Water and the Chocolate one with White, both sweeps)

shiver’s just been on a streak since the Cryptid one in April

 

[Mamboo07]

Splatfest spoilers

Spoiler

Shiver won.

Shiver getting the sweep.

 

[Sucumbio]

Evil Trapezium I believe. Time to split! Lol he was cool

 

[chocolatejr9]

One of those studios wouldn’t happen to be Volition would it?

no doubt that Saints Row “reboot” and how they acted condescending to critics had a hand in that

Bingo. Although I gotta ask, just how bad was that reboot to essentially kill the company? I mean, I know they were already on a bit of a decline (their last game before the reboot was Agents of Mayhem), but still...

 

[PeridotGX]

Here's a roster that I made for what the next game's roster might look like. You can ignore the cuts if you want, I mostly believe in the newcomer choices.

 

[TheQuester]

Here's a roster that I made for what the next game's roster might look like. You can ignore the cuts if you want, I mostly believe in the newcomer choices.View attachment 377517

Ganon, Chibi-Robo, Iori and Kris are interesting choices.
I don't see them as likely myself.

 

[dream1ng]

Here's a roster that I made for what the next game's roster might look like. You can ignore the cuts if you want, I mostly believe in the newcomer choices.View attachment 377517

I am distracted by how inaccurate that third-party section is going to end up being.

You've gotten rid of half the companies. And the only new one is one indie.

And there are only three new third-parties. None of whom are really megatons.

I'm gonna guess those are personal choices. But I think you need to dream a little bigger.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Newcomers you think have a good shot for next game. Go.

I don't do predictions, only wishlists.

I care about who I WANT, not who I think is most likely.

I feel like it's kind of weird that everyone makes fun of Sonic for not being able to swim and actually drowning underwater, when it's infinitely weirder that Mario can hold his breath presumably indefinately in some games whilst in other games his literal life force is sapped so long as he's doing so

Why does Mario in Odyssey need air underwater, but not on the moon?!

Prince of Persia (Prince of Persia)

Ooh, that's actually a really good pick. Important to gaming history, but also a good character with a ton of moveset potential.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Here's a roster that I made for what the next game's roster might look like. You can ignore the cuts if you want, I mostly believe in the newcomer choices.View attachment 377517

I find it funny how you completely got rid of Square.

Also if Sakurai comes back to direct i agree with Iori being a second KOF rep.

 

[SPEN18]

Here's a roster that I made for what the next game's roster might look like. You can ignore the cuts if you want, I mostly believe in the newcomer choices.View attachment 377517

I am going to show some restraint and not comment on everything.

But I gotta know, why KK over Nook? I mean, I think KK is a great pick but he probably needs to be in addition to Nook, not instead of.

Why Puff but no Zard? No way series attendance is that important. Zard should be prioritized over Mewtwo, too, honestly. We already know they are open to solo Zard even if the whole Trainer isn't back.

Only Triforce wielders for Zelda? (do you just not believe in one-offs?)

Officer Howard but no Ring Fit? I don't see any way that Astral Chain gets priority for a new Switch-era series over Ring Fit unless they somehow can't come up with a moveset for Ring Fit, which seems unlikely. Like I'd go so far as to say Ring Fit is basically a prerequisite for having Astral Chain on your roster.

I actually don't have that many complaints about your cuts; actually you have left in several characters who I would've cut.
The biggest disagreement I have on the cuts you made besides Zard is Wii Fit. It's hard to take cutting Wii Fit seriously if we're keeping stuff like Ice Climbers and adding Chibi-Robo, for example. Like why would that be the only first party series that gets cut when it looks like you went out of your way to make sure no other 1P series does?

Also I see no Miis. What is your thought on that one?

 

[dream1ng]

All that is fair. I guess my point is more that I don't expect Sakurai to increase the legal workload he's already gonna have cut out for him in trying to get back the Ultimate characters.

Keep in mind that, despite the number of third party characters in the game tripling from 6 in Smash 4 to 18 in Smash Ultimate (counting Ken and Richter), the number of companies that owned those characters only went from 4 (Bandai Namco, Capcom, SEGA, and Square Enix) to 8 (Konami's return, Microsoft, SNK, and Disney for Sora who's half a Square Enix character). Looking at the companies that got closely involved with Smash's roster, Sakurai initially approached Konami because of his goal to bring back Snake, and he only approached Disney because they had to sign off on Sora's inclusion.

Of the remaining two, Microsoft was probably more of a legal headache, but it sounds like Nintendo asked Sakurai to approach them for Steve's inclusion to begin with, and I suspect (though there is no proof) that Banjo was a package deal with Steve and that Banjo came out first because he was significantly easier to program.

So Sakurai doesn't make it a habit to approach third party companies for characters willy-nilly. While it looks like a huge jump going from 4 companies to 8, there's a compelling reason Sakurai approached three of those four new companies. SNK is the odd one out, and it seems like they were extremely easy to work with, as they're a small company relative to the scope of Smash, and likely would have done anything Sakurai asked. If Sakurai doesn't have a reason to complicate the legal scope of Smash Bros., I don't think he does.

I'm sure you'd be able to find a situation in which a new company being approached would be plausible. Whether via popularity, or because Nintendo wants it, or because they approached Sakurai/Nintendo and talks successfully progressed.

A lot of the remaining unrepresented third-parties wouldn't be too far off from SNK's situation: easier, smaller, cheaper, cooperative. Maybe not the western ones, but the Japanese ones.

I mean, the realistic scenario doesn't have to be any more complicated than "Nintendo wanted to add series/character x, and company y was amenable".

On a semi-related note, going outside of the scope of playable characters, there are 55 "minor third party universes" in Smash Bros. Ultimate according to the wiki, meaning franchises that do not have a playable character, a stage, an assist trophy, or an item. If we include any third party franchises that don't have characters: assist trophies add 5 (Bomberman, Fatal Frame, Monster Hunter, Shovel Knight, Virtua Fighter,) items add 1 (Galaxian), and Dig Dug which previously had an enemy in Smash Run but lost it in Ultimate isn't listed on the wiki. That means there are 61 third party franchises in Smash that do not have playable characters. 49 of these are owned by a company that also already has a character in Smash Bros.

(PlatinumGames is complicated because it does kinda have Bayonetta as a playable character, but legally the IP is owned by SEGA and published by Nintendo. They do not technically have a character they own in Smash, but are represented by Wonderful 101 in a non-character capacity also. Make of that what you will.)

The remaining 12 franchises, are owned by 8 companies, Marvelous (who has three), Ubisoft (who also has three), StudioMDHR, Arc System Works, WayForward, The Tetris Corporation, Toby Fox, and Tencent all have some sort of nonplayable representation in the game. 5 of these companies have mii costumes (Marvelous has Travis, Ubisoft has Altair and the Rabbids headgear, StudioMDHR has Cuphead, Wayforward has Shantae, and Toby Fox has Sans.) The others are all represented by spirits.

I think most people would consider a new company being one that simply isn't on the roster when speaking specifically of adding characters, but I think my point is equally cogent either way, for those with supporting content or those without any.

 

[PeridotGX]

I am distracted by how inaccurate that third-party section is going to end up being.

This is a base game roster, the new third parties are more in line with that instead of DLC selection. To be fair I probably should have had the Konami duo come back in base, but I would be plesently suprised if a Microsoft or Square-Enix character is ever in a base game again. Those two are definitely coming back in the DLC, as well as other more "spicy" characters.

I am going to show some restraint and not comment on everything.

But I gotta know, why KK over Nook? I mean, I think KK is a great pick but he probably needs to be in addition to Nook, not instead of.

It's more of a moveset thing for me. I can't really think of a way to make Nook distinct from both Isabelle and Villager, those two have a lot of the Animal Crossing experience down pact. K.K Slider, on the other hand, works as a way to add a music-themed character to the roster, something we don't have and don't have a ton of options for. If I had put echoes, Tom would probably be an echo for one of the other two AC characters.

Only Triforce wielders for Zelda? (do you just not believe in one-offs?)

I tried to show restraint and only add one character per series. I want more one-off Zelda characters, but I feel like if we were only adding one more Zelda character, it should be Pig Ganon. After that we can work on Vatti or Skull Kid or Midna or what have you. Once again, If I was doing echoes I would probably have added Impa, but she's not a one-off herself.

Why Puff but no Zard? No way series attendance is that important. Zard should be prioritized over Mewtwo, too, honestly. We already know they are open to solo Zard even if the whole Trainer isn't back.


Officer Howard but no Ring Fit? I don't see any way that Astral Chain gets priority for a new Switch-era series over Ring Fit unless they somehow can't come up with a moveset for Ring Fit, which seems unlikely. Like I'd go so far as to say Ring Fit is basically a prerequisite for having Astral Chain on your roster.

I actually don't have that many complaints about your cuts; actually you have left in several characters who I would've cut.
The biggest disagreement I have on the cuts you made besides Zard is Wii Fit. It's hard to take cutting Wii Fit seriously if we're keeping stuff like Ice Climbers and adding Chibi-Robo, for example. Like why would that be the only first party series that gets cut when it looks like you went out of your way to make sure no other 1P series does?

Also I see no Miis. What is your thought on that one?

Most of those are characters I literally forgot to put on the roster. I don't remember if excluding Charizard was a conscious decision, but it probably should come back, and I definitely didn't mean to axe Wii Fit and the Miis. The Ring Fit Captain is also really likely and should be on there as well.

 

[SPEN18]

It's more of a moveset thing for me. I can't really think of a way to make Nook distinct from both Isabelle and Villager, those two have a lot of the Animal Crossing experience down pact. K.K Slider, on the other hand, works as a way to add a music-themed character to the roster, something we don't have and don't have a ton of options for. If I had put echoes, Tom would probably be an echo for one of the other two AC characters.

Okay, so at least you had him in mind. I'll leave it to the rest of the Nook moveset theorists to prove his potential to you if they so choose.

Most of those are characters I literally forgot to put on the roster. I don't remember if excluding Charizard was a conscious decision, but it probably should come back, and I definitely didn't mean to axe Wii Fit and the Miis. The Ring Fit Captain is also really likely and should be on there as well.

You're welcome, then, haha

 

[Laniv]

It's more of a moveset thing for me. I can't really think of a way to make Nook distinct from both Isabelle and Villager, those two have a lot of the Animal Crossing experience down pact. K.K Slider, on the other hand, works as a way to add a music-themed character to the roster, something we don't have and don't have a ton of options for. If I had put echoes, Tom would probably be an echo for one of the other two AC characters.

Okay, so at least you had him in mind. I'll leave it to the rest of the Nook moveset theorists to prove his potential to you if they so choose.

Yes... I have been summoned once again...

I've said this before, but the best way to make Tom Nook distinct from Villager and Isabelle is to focus on two things they haven't done already: Bells and Leaves. Gaining Bells the more he hits his opponent, and losing Bells if he gets hit. He can spend Bells to make his attacks that much stronger (or spend them on temporary stat boosts?), and if he keeps Pocket, he can convert any projectiles or items he catches into Bells.

Leaves, meanwhile, can be used as traps, like Snake's C4 or Isabelle's Lloid Trap. You step on one, and it turns into a random furniture item to launch you. Alternatively, he can lean into his tanuki origins and convert items or projectiles into leaves for him to use.

And then his Final Smash is building a house for the foe and launching them from the sheer debt they find themselves in.

In conclusion, Tom Nook is a cool guy and I like him.

 

[Nekoo]

@Pacack Sora isn't half-a-Disney character. Square-Enix has absolutely no ownership of him and any time Disney decides to ask for their input is more of a courtesy and respect than anything else. They obviously will continue to hire them to make the games because they have the right experience for what Disney wants. It's a common sense thing. If SE does something Disney doesn't like, they can always find someone else. They probably won't want to find another developer, mind you. It's just that it's pretty much their franchise to decide things on.

He's 100% Disney through and through. Disney just knows for a fact it makes way more sense to have Nomura handle any of the special details once you have all the Licensing complete. Who else can represent him the best than the guy in charge of the games.

Hey, I know this message is a bit old but, I wanted to answer this.

I'll bring my DISNEY COPYRIGHT KINGDOM HEARTS LAWYER hat once more in the ring to fix something about it.
Sora is Disney 100% on a basic surface, but it seems that contrary to what you says (and from what we know from interview and more through the years) it's not as easy as you explain.

The KINGDOM HEARTS VIDEO GAME series, from different Square-Enix financial report, and investor meeting, is actually CO-OWNED BY BOTH THEM AND DISNEY
Any Kingdom hearts games developped, WILL be developped by them. If they are sent to another developper, ITS BECAUSE SQUARE-ENIX DECIDED OF IT BY HIRING CONTRACTOR.
Any decision on the licence, with ANYTHING RELATED TO THE VIDEO GAMES needs to be taken by both Square-Enix and Disney.
Disney however owns the rights of the CHARACTERS.
However, any video-games rendition of said characters IS THE PROPERTIES OF BOTH SQUARE-ENIX AND DISNEY

Basically, if, let's say, Disney decide to separate themselves from Square-Enix, they'd have right on the characters, let's say, Sora, Riku and Kairi, but wouldn't be able to reference, or do ANYTHING close to their video games counterpart. Or even reference Kingdom Hearts itself. They'd be completely different from the Sora/Riku and Kairi we know.

The "gentleman agreement" that everyone is talking about, is about Sora's use specifically, where, Nomura, being EXTREMELY protective of the character, basically is the one PERSONALLY greenlighting yes or no stuff happening with him (from himself in the past and even during Sakurai's interview)

But yeah, if Disney wanted to break the deal, they wouldn't be able to find someone else to make a Kingdom Hearts game, because that IP is also Square-Enix's

For the easiest source, look any Square-Enix financial reports where they show their owned IP (even on the notes, they specifically say that KH is own by both them and Disney)
Naoki Yoshida's interview with "The gamer" in 2020
And an Interview with Nomura in 2004
And heck, the interviews of Sakurai himself explaining how it was a lot because he had to go through verification for both DIsney, Square-Enix AND Nomura

Hope it helps!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Hey, I know this message is a bit old but, I wanted to answer this.

I'll bring my DISNEY COPYRIGHT KINGDOM HEARTS LAWYER hat once more in the ring to fix something about it.
Sora is Disney 100% on a basic surface, but it seems that contrary to what you says (and from what we know from interview and more through the years) it's not as easy as you explain.

The KINGDOM HEARTS VIDEO GAME series, from different Square-Enix financial report, and investor meeting, is actually CO-OWNED BY BOTH THEM AND DISNEY
Any Kingdom hearts games developped, WILL be developped by them. If they are sent to another developper, ITS BECAUSE SQUARE-ENIX DECIDED OF IT BY HIRING CONTRACTOR.
Any decision on the licence, with ANYTHING RELATED TO THE VIDEO GAMES needs to be taken by both Square-Enix and Disney.
Disney however owns the rights of the CHARACTERS.
However, any video-games rendition of said characters IS THE PROPERTIES OF BOTH SQUARE-ENIX AND DISNEY

Basically, if, let's say, Disney decide to separate themselves from Square-Enix, they'd have right on the characters, let's say, Sora, Riku and Kairi, but wouldn't be able to reference, or do ANYTHING close to their video games counterpart. Or even reference Kingdom Hearts itself. They'd be completely different from the Sora/Riku and Kairi we know.

The "gentleman agreement" that everyone is talking about, is about Sora's use specifically, where, Nomura, being EXTREMELY protective of the character, basically is the one PERSONALLY greenlighting yes or no stuff happening with him (from himself in the past and even during Sakurai's interview)

But yeah, if Disney wanted to break the deal, they wouldn't be able to find someone else to make a Kingdom Hearts game, because that IP is also Square-Enix's

For the easiest source, look any Square-Enix financial reports where they show their owned IP (even on the notes, they specifically say that KH is own by both them and Disney)
Naoki Yoshida's interview with "The gamer" in 2020
And an Interview with Nomura in 2004
And heck, the interviews of Sakurai himself explaining how it was a lot because he had to go through verification for both DIsney, Square-Enix AND Nomura

Hope it helps!

All I remember is there was a case that Disney had Sora added to something and SE wasn't involved.

Or maybe it was they could veto Sora so it can't be used in something that I'm remembering? I dunno.

Either way, thanks for the information.

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...People are still incorrectly putting Waluigi in the Wario section? He's never been a Wario character and barely has a cameo at most. Whereas someone like Pauline can fit either Mario or DK respectively, Waluigi is an actual Mario character through and through. It'd be one thing if Wario and Yoshi weren't treated as their own franchises anymore in your roster, but if they are, then the spot makes zero sense. He should be before Yoshi(who would be before Wario anyway). And yes, Yoshi's placement was illogical in Smash 4, being he had no real reason to split up the Mario franchise. The clone trio at least made sense in comparison, as they were last minute additions.

Besides, just cause Waluigi is a spin-off character(with minor cameos in some mainline games via costumes) doesn't mean that suddenly spin-off characters(that aren't some kind of mainline series) would for some reason have their own section. I highly doubt the idea with these is to make Waluigi a specific new universe. It's just placement that doesn't really fit at any point. He is not thematically related to the Wario Universe(and as I noted, barely has a cameo in it).

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Incidentally, Mario sometimes does require something to breathe in space. The universe is super weird even without the oddity that's the Mushroom Kingdom only sometimes requiring him to have an air meter underwater. Though to be fair, space and water do not work exactly the same way, but it's more safe to say they don't care about minor stuff like that and only sometimes apply logic for fun(it's applied sometimes in Paper Mario, usually for an odd trading sequence). It's not the only case, as quite a few video games do not treat space as an actual thing other than being identical to any other breathable air. Sonic never even bothered to have this as a factor either(which makes it funnier when Mario, which is less realistic in logic, actually did sometimes). Though at best Galaxy does have you go on planets which have a breathable atmosphere because "why not", but really, it's never been consistent in its rules. Sonic at times makes it so only the animal-type cast can breathe in space(usually played with in the animated adaptions), but humans still require protection. Even then, they don't ignore things like how you can be frozen in space(but it's better to say they don't really care either about accuracy, heh).

 

[DarthEnderX]

All I remember is there was a case that Disney had Sora added to something and SE wasn't involved.

I think it was some KH merchandise sold in Disney World that was Disney branded, but not SE branded.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I think it was some KH merchandise sold in Disney World that was Disney branded, but not SE branded.

The odd part is I remember it was a game thing, not merchandise. But memory of a goldfish here.

Anyway, any Square-Enix character(and details) happens to be owned by multiple companies. Funny that.

 

[Mamboo07]

Yes... I have been summoned once again...

I've said this before, but the best way to make Tom Nook distinct from Villager and Isabelle is to focus on two things they haven't done already: Bells and Leaves. Gaining Bells the more he hits his opponent, and losing Bells if he gets hit. He can spend Bells to make his attacks that much stronger (or spend them on temporary stat boosts?), and if he keeps Pocket, he can convert any projectiles or items he catches into Bells.

Leaves, meanwhile, can be used as traps, like Snake's C4 or Isabelle's Lloid Trap. You step on one, and it turns into a random furniture item to launch you. Alternatively, he can lean into his tanuki origins and convert items or projectiles into leaves for him to use.

And then his Final Smash is building a house for the foe and launching them from the sheer debt they find themselves in.

In conclusion, Tom Nook is a cool guy and I like him.

Or have him beat up opponents with furniture.
(Swing a lamp around, slam down a sofa, things like that)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Bingo. Although I gotta ask, just how bad was that reboot to essentially kill the company? I mean, I know they were already on a bit of a decline (their last game before the reboot was Agents of Mayhem), but still...

For one, the SR reboot was devoid of literally ANY humor, it was all serious. Granted, being initially a product of the early 2000s, early SR games had… a lot of humor that wouldn’t fly today. The gameplay was iirc way different to previous games too. And they mocked people criticizing the decisions on their twitter

 

[Nekoo]

Bingo. Although I gotta ask, just how bad was that reboot to essentially kill the company? I mean, I know they were already on a bit of a decline (their last game before the reboot was Agents of Mayhem), but still...

The reboot was dog water piss. To this day I refuse to believe someone greenlighted that.

 

[TheQuester]

I've tried to make a special move list for Tom Nook:

Neutral B, Furniture Throw: The character chooses a piece of furniture from a menu and throws it, the trajectory and damage depend on the furniture, the furniture will appear as a leaf at the beginning of the throw and will not damage the opponents while it is a leaf, in the middle of the movement it will turn into the selected furniture. The character can move the furniture by approaching it, the furniture will damage the opponents a little while it is moved by the character. The furniture will also move if they are attacked with a smash attack, damaging the opponents with greater damage.

Side B, Vaulting Pole: The character takes out a vaulting pole and uses it, the move does not cause damage but is useful for moving around the stage and avoiding ground attacks, as Nook's hurtbox will rise. In the air, the character will attack with the vaulting pole, and it can result in a meteoric attack if it connects with the tip.

Down B, Bell Slam: The character takes out a bag of bells (money from animal crossing) and slams it on the ground, the damage and range of the movement depends on the amount of bells that the character has at that moment. If you hold down the button, bells will shoot out of the bag and fall slowly towards the bag, which will damage the enemies with a rain of bells.

Up B, Step Ladder: The character takes a wooden step ladder, on the ground the character will leave a step ladder on the stage and can be used as a ladder, in the air the character will try to grab the edge with the leg of the step ladder, if successful the ladder will stick to the edge and the character can use the ladder freely, if not the move will be useless, but it will not end in freefall/helpless state.

 

[Perkilator]

Here’s my interpretation of the next possible Smash roster:

Spoiler: Likely veterans

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Daisy
5. Bowser
6. Rosalina & Luma
7. Bowser Jr.
8. Donkey Kong
9. Diddy Kong
10. Wario
11. Yoshi
12. King K. Rool
13. Link
14. Zelda
15. Ganondorf
16. Samus
17. Ridley
18. Kirby
19. King Dedede
20. Meta Knight
21. Fox
22. Falco
23. Pikachu
24. Charizard
25. Mewtwo
26. Lucario
27. Greninja
28. Captain Falcon
29. Ice Climbers
30. Marth
31. Ike
32. Robin
33. Mr. Game & Watch
34. Pit
35. Palutena
36. Olimar
37. Villager
38. Mii Fighters
39. Shulk
40. Pyra / Mythra
41. Inkling
42. Sonic
43. Bayonetta
44. Joker
45. Mega Man
46. Ryu & Ken
47. PAC-MAN
48. Kazuya
49. Cloud
50. Banjo & Kazooie
51. Terry
52. Steve

Spoiler: Debatable veterans

1. Dr. Mario
2. Piranha Plant
3. Sheik
4. Young Link
5. Toon Link
6. Dark Samus
7. Zero Suit Samus
8. Wolf
9. Jigglypuff
10. Pichu
11. The rest of Pokémon Trainer’s team
12. Incineroar
13. Ness
14. Lucas
15. Roy
16. Chrom
17. Lucina
18. Corrin
19. Byleth
20. Dark Pit
21. R.O.B.
22. Isabelle
23. Wii Fit Trainer
24. Little Mac
25. Duck Hunt
26. Min Min
27. Snake
28. Simon
29. Richter
30. Sephiroth
31. Hero
32. Sora

Spoiler: Possible newcomers

1. Toad
2. Waluigi
3. Geno
4. Pauline
5. Dixie Kong
6. Any Zelda newcomer
7. Raven Beak
8. Sylux
9. Bandana Waddle Dee
10. Magolor
11. Krystal
12. The newest Pokémon
13. Porky
14. Black Shadow
15. Lyn
16. Alear
17. Whatever FE character is currently relevant
18. Any Kid Icarus newcomer
19. Mona
20. Ashley
21. Any Pikmin newcomer
22. Any Animal Crossing newcomer
23. Noah & Mio
24. Elma
25. Any Splatoon newcomer
26. A Nintendo newcomer from the Switch era
27. A retro character
28. A character who previously went unused in older Smash games

I’m not gonna get into 3rd party characters because that’s its own can of worms

Now I'm going to turn this into a proper wishlist.

Spoiler: Length, obviously

Veterans

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach & Daisy
4. Bowser
5. Bowser Jr.
6. Rosalina & Luma
7. Wario
8. Yoshi
9. Donkey Kong
10. Diddy Kong
11. King K. Rool
12. Link
13. Zelda
14. Sheik
15. Ganondorf
16. Samus & Dark Samus
17. Ridley
18. Kirby
19. King Dedede
20. Meta Knight
21. Fox
22. Falco
23. Wolf
24. Pikachu
25. Jigglypuff
26. Mewtwo
27. Lucario
28. Greninja
29. Ness
30. Lucas
31. Captain Falcon
32. Ice Climbers
33. Marth
34. Ike
35. Robin
36. Byleth
37. Mr. Game & Watch
38. Pit & Dark Pit
39. Palutena
40. Olimar
41. R.O.B.
42. Villager
43. Shulk
44. Pyra / Mythra
45. Inkling
46. Snake
47. Sonic
48. Mega Man
49. Ryu & Ken
50. PAC-MAN
51. Cloud
52. Banjo & Kazooie

Newcomers

1. Toad
2. Waluigi
3. Pauline
4. Dixie Kong
5. Raven Beak
6. Bandana Waddle Dee
7. Black Shadow
8. Ashley
9. Noah & Mio
10. Ring Fit Trainee
11. Dr. Eggman
12. Chun-Li
13. Crash Bandicoot
14. Rayman
15. 2B

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Here's a roster that I made for what the next game's roster might look like. You can ignore the cuts if you want, I mostly believe in the newcomer choices.View attachment 377517

I'm not going to repeat too much what others I've already said, but here's some notes:
-I really don't see Pig Ganon at this point getting in, even if they really want a second Ganon they definitely would go with Totk Ganon, but personally I feel like Totk will finally be the opportunity to have something else than a Triforce character (with Sidon being imo the frontruner).

-I think people are overestimating Fire emblem chances. In the past games it was mostly very lucky with timing release, I doubt Alear would be considered unless Smash 6 starts development pretty much right now (Sakurai even admits that a 6 month difference could mean that Robin and Lucina wouldn't have been in Smash 4). Next Fire emblem is probably a remake and Smash rarely takes characters from remake so I could just see them skipping Fire emblem in the next Smash unless either FE18 is not a remake or the next Smash is so far off that it's releasing near FE19.

-I really don't see why Chibi Robo would get in. Isaac you could make a case because of fan demand, but Chibi robo don't really even have that, and he's not even old enough to get in as a legacy pick, so he's really in a awkward spot where there's pretty much no way he gets in. Even if you really want 3 new first party franchise, Ring fit was the obvious pick like others have mentionned, or you could maybe make a case for Advance wars because of the remake or a retro pick like Excitebike, Takamaru or Famicom detective club before Chibi robo.

 

[TheQuester]

-I really don't see Pig Ganon at this point getting in, even if they really want a second Ganon they definitely would go with Totk Ganon, but personally I feel like Totk will finally be the opportunity to have something else than a Triforce character (with Sidon being imo the frontruner).

I think Sidon's got a really good chance now, also he's technically not a one-off character as he's been in two games now. He can also be a companion in TOTK and uses a spear, so there's something to work with already.