Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Nekoo]

Do you think every game will just have more and more newcomers with no upward ceiling? Because that's completely infeasible.

55-60 seems to be the comfortable limit of what they're able to do for a base game. Ultimate had SEVERAL modes be cut to pull off Everyone Is Here, and only a few made it back through updates. Stage Builder, Home Run Contest, and the like? All updates, not base game. All Star Mode? Gone. Coin Battles? Gone. Break the Targets, or even Target Blast? Gone. Trophies? Too much work to make, and as such were made into Spirits to combine them with Events, essentially.

And now they would need to add in Piranha Plant, as well as the DLC newcomers on top of that, and that's before adding the sequel's selection of newcomers.

Base game Smash Ultimate was already very bare bones as far as modes go. What you're suggesting would be exponentially more so.

Like...yeah, Brawl and Smash 4 had fewer cuts. They also had MUCH smaller rosters in general in comparison to Ultimate.

That's the thing, now that the "heavy" work is done, I genuinely think we won't get much cuts. And if we do, I genuinely believe we'll get them back as DLC down the road. Maybe I'm just too optimistic, and seeing people expect or for some even "wanting" cuts (notably to get reworks, or get rid of guests) hurt me. All of those characters have fans, so I genuinely believe that anytime someone is cut, it's not because they wanted to. But had to.

I'm sorry if for you I sounded condescending or "pushing an agenda" it wasn't what I wanted or meant. I just wanted people to realize that through the games they never cut anyone deliberatory and always try to bring them back. Always, a way or another. Ultimate is the culmination of that feeling with "EVERYONE IS HERE" and I genuinely feel that Ultimate is a game to build upon, like it's predecessors were before.

Genuinely sorry,especially if it felt like there was any agressivity

 

[chocolatejr9]

the enemies of the power rangers?

Don't those guys usually end up dead by the end of their episode? Not sure we can really take their opinions into account...

So yeah, robo dinos FTW!

 

[fogbadge]

Don't those guys usually end up dead by the end of their episode? Not sure we can really take their opinions into account...

So yeah, robo dinos FTW!

you forgot about the big bads who send out the monster of the week

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Random thing I'd love to see in the next Smash - more music for the Sonic series! Even beyond just remixes (which for the record I think it's a crime that the series has one remix total), there's so many awesome songs from the series that'd be great to add if possible.

That said, if Smash were to go through a reboot, I think it'd be nice to have each series' general representation be re-evaluated just so you can get a wider breadth of representation in some places, giving you a better picture across the board. Sonic again is a good example of this - I don't think Windy Hill was necessarily a bad stage choice for Sm4sh, but it'd be nice for the series' representation to be more varied (so maybe something like Casino Night or Scrap Brain if you wanted to keep with the classics, or something more modern-oriented like Lost Palace, Starlight Carnival or Studiopolis if you wanted to go with that vibe.)

Beyond just fighters, stages and music, it'd be cool to see them bring a big chunk of their own world with them. One thing I quite like about the Zelda series for instance is that there's quite a lot of Zelda items, which makes sense given the series' history - stuff like that, y'know?

 

[osby]

Beyond just fighters, stages and music, it'd be cool to see them bring a big chunk of their own world with them. One thing I quite like about the Zelda series for instance is that there's quite a lot of Zelda items, which makes sense given the series' history - stuff like that, y'know?

I don't expect them to go crazy with it but I think getting a few more third-party items would be fun. Bayonetta in particular has a lot of unique weapons that would fit into Smash nicely.

 

[SPEN18]

Wanting a cut can be as simple as "I'd prefer they spent those resources on something else." However significant or insignifanct those resources may be.
A vet potentially taking less work than a newcomer or another piece of new content does NOT automatically make the cut a net loss; there are other priorities for this game besides having the highest number of characters possible.
It's not fundamentally a jerk move and there's no reason to take it unnecessarily personal.
If anything, the "jerk move" is lumping all pro-cuts talk into one and assuming the worst from people.
I get that many people are influenced by prior bad experiences, but that's again no reason not to give other people a chance.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

No single fanbase understands how frustrating cut lists are like Snake fans. To have your favorite character be on lists for literal years all for the sake of the character “not fitting”, pouring your heart and soul into telling people why he should remain due to how different he is, and then for some never confirmed reason have him actually not come back was such a gigantic let down.

The catharsis and hype I felt that they introduced the main marketing of Ultimate around the fact that, yes, Snake was finally back will forever be unmatched I figure.

Cut lists suck because back in the day it seemed like the people wanting Snake cut outweighed the real fans who wanted him back and I truly feel like that era of Brawl where people were being so unreasonably mad about Snake making it in over Mega Man or PAC-MAN or whomever else may have even swayed Nintendo’s decision to not include Snake in Smash 4. Your favorite being cut is not fun and if your favorite is Mario or Link then great you don’t have to worry about it but it is a jerk move to actively want someone else’s favorite removed.

Browsing GameFAQs during the 4 days was painful cuz Snake was the go to for EVERYONE’S chopping block.

plus, isn’t part of Smash’s charm how much of a mixed bag the roster is? It’s that way for me at least

Here’s my interpretation of the next possible Smash roster:

Spoiler: Likely veterans

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Daisy
5. Bowser
6. Rosalina & Luma
7. Bowser Jr.
8. Donkey Kong
9. Diddy Kong
10. Wario
11. Yoshi
12. King K. Rool
13. Link
14. Zelda
15. Ganondorf
16. Samus
17. Ridley
18. Kirby
19. King Dedede
20. Meta Knight
21. Fox
22. Falco
23. Pikachu
24. Charizard
25. Mewtwo
26. Lucario
27. Greninja
28. Captain Falcon
29. Ice Climbers
30. Marth
31. Ike
32. Robin
33. Mr. Game & Watch
34. Pit
35. Palutena
36. Olimar
37. Villager
38. Mii Fighters
39. Shulk
40. Pyra / Mythra
41. Inkling
42. Sonic
43. Bayonetta
44. Joker
45. Mega Man
46. Ryu & Ken
47. PAC-MAN
48. Kazuya
49. Cloud
50. Banjo & Kazooie
51. Terry
52. Steve

Spoiler: Debatable veterans

1. Dr. Mario
2. Piranha Plant
3. Sheik
4. Young Link
5. Toon Link
6. Dark Samus
7. Zero Suit Samus
8. Wolf
9. Jigglypuff
10. Pichu
11. The rest of Pokémon Trainer’s team
12. Incineroar
13. Ness
14. Lucas
15. Roy
16. Chrom
17. Lucina
18. Corrin
19. Byleth
20. Dark Pit
21. R.O.B.
22. Isabelle
23. Wii Fit Trainer
24. Little Mac
25. Duck Hunt
26. Min Min
27. Snake
28. Simon
29. Richter
30. Sephiroth
31. Hero
32. Sora

Spoiler: Possible newcomers

1. Toad
2. Waluigi
3. Geno
4. Pauline
5. Dixie Kong
6. Any Zelda newcomer
7. Raven Beak
8. Sylux
9. Bandana Waddle Dee
10. Magolor
11. Krystal
12. The newest Pokémon
13. Porky
14. Black Shadow
15. Lyn
16. Alear
17. Whatever FE character is currently relevant
18. Any Kid Icarus newcomer
19. Mona
20. Ashley
21. Any Pikmin newcomer
22. Any Animal Crossing newcomer
23. Noah & Mio
24. Elma
25. Any Splatoon newcomer
26. A Nintendo newcomer from the Switch era
27. A retro character
28. A character who previously went unused in older Smash games

I’m not gonna get into 3rd party characters because that’s its own can of worms

Black Shadow and Elma

I like the way you think.

If I had to choose, a newcomer from the Switch era not belonging to any particular franchise could be Officer Howard. I’d personally choose Meowscarada for the new Pokémon, Ayumi Tachibana for a previously unused character, and retro… Saki Amamiya? He wasn’t an AT in Ultimate and maybe it’s time for another former AT to get the Little Mac/Isabelle/Dark Samus treatment (sorry Isaac )

Yeah, i think Sony characters are off-limits.
A shame because Ratchet and Clank have near infinite moveset potential, we won't see Clank Zapper combos....a shame.

I also wonder if indie characters will ever become playable or would Nintendo only want characters from videogame companies, god knows.
I feel like a indie rep would be a good way to put a popular character like Cuphead, Zagreus, Sans, Reimu, Shantae or Shovel Knight for cheap, since they'll be easier to license than characters from videogame companies i assume.
Of course, i think only popular indies have a chance to be in Smash (even as mii costume/spirits), i doubt they're going to allow unknown indies.

I for one would LOVE to see Gunvolt represented in literally any form. Even if it’s just spirits. But ideally I want a minimum of one (1) song from the series, it has soooooo many bangers

 

[HyperSomari64]

Is there any loophole in Smash's rule that talks about fictional video games within other games?
Man, why Pyoro got a spirit if he doesn't exists Wario's universe?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Thing is, Genshin is Planned for the switch (probably now moved for the next console) and from diverses sources, leaks and more, the only reasons the game hasn't been released yet is...
Sony.

Sony already was iffy with allowing the game on their platform WHILE allowing Cross-save and crossplay between it and PC.
Struck a deal and got Aloy in the game as (for now) the ONLY AND MOST RANDOM inclusion in the game for promotion of Zero Dawn (from others rumours, Hoyoverse wanted another character than her) and is still adamant to not allow any Cross-save / crossplay with Nintendo for this game.

We don't know why, since they allowed it with Minecraft and Fortnite. But from the echoes, Sony is the problem. And from Hoyoverse's CEO and devs recent claim a few months ago... Genshin is still planned on the switch/Nintendo console.

Aloy never got any constellations (power ups) either and likely never will, giving her a huge meta disadvantage versus literally every other character, even the Traveler themselves.

as someone who wouldn’t mind a Nintendo character in Genshin (Link and Pyra/Mythra are fairly obvious options) I worry about the fact they’ll likely suck as much as Aloy when it comes to gameplay

I also have a mobile account I claimed Aloy on through the mail thing. Will Aloy just not be available when I play my main profile on switch? Or am I gonna have to use my Asia alt I started almost a month ago? The latter would suck as I have a bunch of characters on my main (America) profile

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I didn't say it was impossible, just unlikely, i'm personally not expecting a Genshin rep, but i think a Genshin rep would be cool to see, so i'd be glad to be proven wrong.
I guess begin planned for the Switch could help it's chances, but even planned still means that it has not happened yet, so i still wouldn't count on it.

That said, i think it begin a live-service/online-only game it's the trickier part honestly, those type of inclusions could potentially age badly because they could shut down at any time, It's the reason i think even live-service/online-only games on the switch like Overwatch or Fortnite are not particulary likely.
It would be cool to preserve popular live-service/online-only games in Smash, but it could look awkward to have a rep from a game that's been shut down in the future.

Theres fire emblem heroes content in ultimate so they seem okay with putting live service stuff in smash.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Somehow this seems impossible, but others believe that characters from PlayStation franchises can come as newcomers in future games of the Super Smash Bros. series, while there were already the PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale and the Playstation All-Stars Island. But some are still hoping that they will come, obviously or perhaps because Microsoft, despite having its own series of Xbox console, has sent its own character to the Super Smash Bros Ultimate, but Microsoft's games have also been released for Nintendo console. So it is perhaps the reason that some people believe that the characters of the PlayStation franchises will come as newcomers in the Super Smash Bros..

Well, that's the thing; Microsoft has games on Nintendo consoles and in both cases, Nintendo were involved in those games. In the case of Banjo & Kazooie, they were once big Nintendo stars during the N64 era and in Steve's, Minecraft has so many collaborations with different companies, including Nintendo with the Super Mario Mash-Up.

Overall, Nintendo seems to be on good terms with Microsoft whereas with Sony...not so much.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Wanting a cut can be as simple as "I'd prefer they spent those resources on something else." However significant or insignifanct those resources may be.
A vet potentially taking less work than a newcomer or another piece of new content does NOT automatically make the cut a net loss; there are other priorities for this game besides having the highest number of characters possible.
It's not fundamentally a jerk move and there's no reason to take it unnecessarily personal.
If anything, the "jerk move" is lumping all pro-cuts talk into one and assuming the worst from people.
I get that many people are influenced by prior bad experiences, but that's again no reason not to give other people a chance.

I’m an old fart on the boards and what I’ve always noticed from people wanting specific characters cut is that it has near always been in bad faith. Why else would someone say “I want this specific character and only this specific character to be cut because I want the resources to go to something else”. Either way you cut it it ain’t great.

If someone said I want 3rd Parties cut because I’d rather them put the resources to more Nintendo Reps that’s a little more fair. Picking and choosing one character to cut to allocate resources just because you don’t particularly like them is still kind of being a jerk.

Call me crazy if you want but from being here for… dear god, almost 10 years. People wanting characters cut has always been in bad faith just because said character didn’t fit or tainted their mindset of what Smash Bros. should be. So yes maybe the Roy, Ike, Snake, Lucario, Mewtwo, etc. fallouts gave me a pessimistic outlook on people actively wanting cuts but so far it’s held up.

Edit: A more recent example would be when people wanted Corrin cut because there was too much FE. I’m not any particular fan of Corrin but actively wanting the character cut because it wasn’t the choice you would’ve made is bad faith.

 

[SPEN18]

Also, these claims on how easy it is to make vets are getting, in my opinion, a little out of control.
Like, equating them to Echo Fighters? I don't mean to be harsh but it comes off like a lack of appreciation for the amount of effort that goes into these games, and into each and every character in them.
In any case, I doubt anybody on here has the actual credibility to make hyper-specific statements on the relative effort levels required to make certain characters.

 

[CannonStreak]

Also, these claims on how easy it is to make vets are getting, in my opinion, a little out of control.
Like, equating them to Echo Fighters? I don't mean to be harsh but it comes off like a lack of appreciation for the amount of effort that goes into these games, and into each and every character in them.
In any case, I doubt anybody on here has the actual credibility to make hyper-specific statements on the relative effort levels required to make certain characters.

Personally, I do not think vets are that easy to make, even with used assets. They still take work with or without used assets, do they not? I think some people, as you said realize that, and if they were that easy to make, I bet there would be even less or even no cuts at all, either way.

 

[Mamboo07]

if Smash were to go through a reboot, I think it'd be nice to have each series' general representation be re-evaluated just so you can get a wider breadth of representation in some places, giving you a better picture across the board.

I like it.

Modern Kirby and Wario Land for example, have lots of potential for music and stages.

 

[Nekoo]

Meanwhile me I think people don't realize that in the end of the day, counting DLC we're in a series with TEN total cut From 64 to Ultimate.
Like...that's crazy good and show their dedication to bring back every fighters every single time

 

[TheQuester]

Theres fire emblem heroes content in ultimate so they seem okay with putting live service stuff in smash.

Yes, there's also a Warframe spirit as well, i think any videogame franchise can get minor representation, but i think major (playable character) is a diferent matter.
I think Fortnite, Overwatch, Genshin, League, World of Warcraft would fit just fine in Smash, so the issue is the "live-service" or "online-only" status of those games, if the company pulls of the plug in any of those games then the game is gone forever.
Meaning that we could end up with a playable character from a completely unplayable game in the future, which we don't know if it would be an issue for Sakurai or not, as he usually avoids adding Japan-only/region-locked characters because people interested in the character won't be able to play the character's game.
Maybe only live service games that have stood the test of time have a chance like League or WoW, or maybe Sakurai doesn't care and likes the idea to preserve those types of games in Smash.

 

[SPEN18]

I’m an old fart on the boards and what I’ve always noticed from people wanting specific characters cut is that it has near always been in bad faith. Why else would someone say “I want this specific character and only this specific character to be cut because I want the resources to go to something else”. Either way you cut it it ain’t great.

If someone said I want 3rd Parties cut because I’d rather them put the resources to more Nintendo Reps that’s a little more fair. Picking and choosing one character to cut to allocate resources just because you don’t particularly like them is still kind of being a jerk.

Call me crazy if you want but from being here for… dear god, almost 10 years. People wanting characters cut has always been in bad faith just because said character didn’t fit or tainted their mindset of what Smash Bros. should be. So yes maybe the Roy, Ike, Snake, Lucario, Mewtwo, etc. fallouts gave me a pessimistic outlook on people actively wanting cuts but so far it’s held up.

Edit: A more recent example would be when people wanted Corrin cut because there was too much FE. I’m not any particular fan of Corrin but actively wanting the character cut because it wasn’t the choice you would’ve made is bad faith.

But so what if they just don't like a certain character, for whatever reason? So what if they don't think that character fits with the rest of the cast or how they envision Smash, if they think it is an odd choice or not who they personally would go with?
The idea of cutting that character probably won't latch on anyway unless they have compelling reasons beyond simply not liking them.

Also the number of reps given to a particular series is actually a legitimate concern. I mean, I get that a lot of the Corrin detractors were just uneducated about the significance of FE and/or were just salty they didn't get their ballot choice, but on a fundamental level, concern that one series is getting exorbitant favoritism is legitimate.

 

[TheQuester]

Right now i think Indies have a better chance to become playable than a live-service/online-only character.
Both are in a similar situation to me, we know they're 100% valid for minor representation (ATs, music, spirits, mii costumes), but we don't know if Nintendo would be interested in them for character representation, since both are a bit diferent to the type of playable chracters we're used to.
I also think only high-profile indies or live-service games have a decent chance to be playable, like i don't expect any unknown indie or live-service character to get in playable.

In my opinion:
Indie rep frontrunner: Undertale, close second: Hollow Knight
Live-service character frontrunner: League of Legends, close second: Fortnite.

League of Legends having games on Nintendo platforms is a big boost for it's chances imo.

 

[fogbadge]

Is there any loophole in Smash's rule that talks about fictional video games within other games?
Man, why Pyoro got a spirit if he doesn't exists Wario's universe?

I don’t think so

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

People think Konami is a question mark because Snake was cut in Smash for, but that was when Konami's corporate leadership seemed unsure of the company's direction and there was a lot of tension regarding Metal Gear in particular due to Konami and Kojima's growing animosity throughout MGSV's development. The difference between them and the Konami that gave us a sea of Castlevania content, the return of Metal Gear, Bomberman as an assist trophy, and Goemon as a costume is night and day

I’m hesitant to give Konami the pass just yet. The only reason they had such a big shakeup in management is because both their Pachinko and Mobile divisions tanked during the Pandemic while they watched other Japanese developers main line heavy hitting launches sky rocket.

It shouldn’t have taken a pandemic to convince them but it did and I do think they’re better for it but they are tiptoeing back in with licensing deals for Silent Hill, a pseudo licensing/in-house hybrid for MGSΔ, and smaller projects like Bomberman R2 and GetsuFumaDen: Undying Moon.

They’re not back, but they’re better and I think they’ll try to ride Nintendo’s coattails as long as they’ll let them.

 

[Ivander]

Also the number of reps given to a particular series is actually a legitimate concern. I mean, I get that a lot of the Corrin detractors were just uneducated about the significance of FE and/or were just salty they didn't get their ballot choice, but on a fundamental level, concern that one series is getting exorbitant favoritism is legitimate.

Like I could understand this with Fire Emblem during it's earlier days, especially when Awakening almost became the last Fire Emblem. But the fact that Fire Emblem managed to not only survive, but also had two games that have hit high sales numbers than some other notable Nintendo franchises in their lifetime, I honestly don't think Fire Emblem is undeserving of reps.

Like sure, Fire Emblem is still nowhere near Mario, Zelda and Pokemon levels of popularity, but it is no longer close to the near-death state it once was at between Path of Radiance and Awakening and has gained a much larger following that has continued to grow larger. Does it deserve more reps than it's biggest franchises? Not really, but does it make sense that Fire Emblem has alot of reps? Yes it does.

And really, part of why Fire Emblem has a lot of reps is because of Roy being based on Marth(and later being made a semi-clone) and Lucina and Chrom being easy Echoes. Robin and Lucina were added because of course Awakening, the newest and easily most popular Fire Emblem at the time, was going to be represented, much like how Sakurai wanted to have an ARMs rep and a Xenoblade 2 rep in base game Ultimate. And Lucina was originally going to be made a costume for Marth, like Dark Pit and Alph for Pit and Olimar respectively, before being made an easy Clone/Echo Fighter.
But remember that Roy was brought back and Chrom was added because of heavy fan demand. Regardless of what some bitter Smash fans might say otherwise, Smash Bros. has fans who are also fans of Fire Emblem and want characters from Fire Emblem in Smash. There are some who still want to see Lyn become a playable character, there are some who still want Claude, Edelgard and/or Dimitri and we have some who want to see Fire Emblem Heroes get a character. Despite us having alot of Fire Emblem characters already.

I honestly don't know what's in store for Fire Emblem in future Smash games, but I'm positive alot more Fire Emblem characters are going to stay in the next one than get cut like what some people predict. And quite honestly IMO, with Fire Emblem Heroes and Fire Emblem Engage having a focus on the Summon aspect, Fire Emblem could really use it's own Pokeball item, whether it'd be the Breidablik or Emblem Rings.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Like I could understand this with Fire Emblem during it's earlier days, especially when Awakening almost became the last Fire Emblem. But the fact that Fire Emblem managed to not only survive, but also had two games that have hit high sales numbers than some other notable Nintendo franchises in their lifetime, I honestly don't think Fire Emblem is undeserving of reps.

Like sure, Fire Emblem is still nowhere near Mario, Zelda and Pokemon levels of popularity, but it is no longer close to the near-death state it once was at between Path of Radiance and Awakening and has gained a much larger following that has continued to grow larger. Does it deserve more reps than it's biggest franchises? Not really, but does it make sense that Fire Emblem has alot of reps? Yes it does.

And really, part of why Fire Emblem has a lot of reps is because of Roy being based on Marth(and later being made a semi-clone) and Lucina and Chrom being easy Echoes. Robin and Lucina were added because of course Awakening, the newest and easily most popular Fire Emblem at the time, was going to be represented, much like how Sakurai wanted to have an ARMs rep and a Xenoblade 2 rep in base game Ultimate. And Lucina was originally going to be made a costume for Marth, like Dark Pit and Alph for Pit and Olimar respectively, before being made an easy Clone/Echo Fighter.
But remember that Roy was brought back and Chrom was added because of heavy fan demand. Regardless of what some bitter Smash fans might say otherwise, Smash Bros. has fans who are also fans of Fire Emblem and want characters from Fire Emblem in Smash. There are some who still want to see Lyn become a playable character, there are some who still want Claude, Edelgard and/or Dimitri and we have some who want to see Fire Emblem Heroes get a character. Despite us having alot of Fire Emblem characters already.

I honestly don't know what's in store for Fire Emblem in future Smash games, but I'm positive alot more Fire Emblem characters are going to stay in the next one than get cut like what some people predict. And quite honestly IMO, with Fire Emblem Heroes and Fire Emblem Engage having a focus on the Summon aspect, Fire Emblem could really use it's own Pokeball item, whether it'd be the Breidablik or Emblem Rings.

The reason it's never bothered me that Fire emblem gets so many characters is because each game has an entirely new cast, which is different from every other Nintendo franchise which has the same small number of characters from game to game, and at this point i think we pretty much have the "important" characters from Nintendo's bigger names.

Would it be neat if we got a new Zelda character? Sure i guess but they seem content to just sticking with the triforce holders. Meanwhile with FE you always have new stuff to pull from, part of me thinks Xenoblade will be the same since each game also has a new protagonist.

 

[Zerp]

Honestly I have no quarrel with people wanting specific characters axed. It's not my cup of tea at all but like, I generally feel it's best for people to express their wishes. I don't care much for what someone's reasoning is either, for the most part*. If somebody's like "I don't like playing against Jigglypuff so I hope they get cut forever", cool. I'd disagree with their desired outcome but it doesn't reflect poorly on any sort of morality. Even if the reasoning is objectively wrong like "Cloud isn't popular" I'd just say their argument is flawed. But like, the actual base desire isn't inherently bad imo.

* I do draw a line though. Wanting it to spite others isn't cool and wanting it out of bigotry would really not be okay.

 

[SPEN18]

Like I could understand this with Fire Emblem during it's earlier days, especially when Awakening almost became the last Fire Emblem. But the fact that Fire Emblem managed to not only survive, but also had two games that have hit high sales numbers than some other notable Nintendo franchises in their lifetime, I honestly don't think Fire Emblem is undeserving of reps.

Like sure, Fire Emblem is still nowhere near Mario, Zelda and Pokemon levels of popularity, but it is no longer close to the near-death state it once was at between Path of Radiance and Awakening and has gained a much larger following that has continued to grow larger. Does it deserve more reps than it's biggest franchises? Not really, but does it make sense that Fire Emblem has alot of reps? Yes it does.

And really, part of why Fire Emblem has a lot of reps is because of Roy being based on Marth(and later being made a semi-clone) and Lucina and Chrom being easy Echoes. Robin and Lucina were added because of course Awakening, the newest and easily most popular Fire Emblem at the time, was going to be represented, much like how Sakurai wanted to have an ARMs rep and a Xenoblade 2 rep in base game Ultimate. And Lucina was originally going to be made a costume for Marth, like Dark Pit and Alph for Pit and Olimar respectively, before being made an easy Clone/Echo Fighter.
But remember that Roy was brought back and Chrom was added because of heavy fan demand. Regardless of what some bitter Smash fans might say otherwise, Smash Bros. has fans who are also fans of Fire Emblem and want characters from Fire Emblem in Smash. There are some who still want to see Lyn become a playable character, there are some who still want Claude, Edelgard and/or Dimitri and we have some who want to see Fire Emblem Heroes get a character. Despite us having alot of Fire Emblem characters already.

I honestly don't know what's in store for Fire Emblem in future Smash games, but I'm positive alot more Fire Emblem characters are going to stay in the next one than get cut like what some people predict. And quite honestly IMO, with Fire Emblem Heroes and Fire Emblem Engage having a focus on the Summon aspect, Fire Emblem could really use it's own Pokeball item, whether it'd be the Breidablik or Emblem Rings.

I wasn't saying anything there about FE specifically having too many reps, just that in principle it's not in bad faith to be concerned that one franchise is getting overly favored.

i.e. I was not giving any opinion there on whether I personally thought that FE was actually being overly favored.

Somebody could be wrong in claiming that X series has too many reps, but not necessarily coming from a bad place in making that claim, though likely mis- or under-informed.

Also I've literally been the one parading in favor of Lyn probably the most around here, so it was kind of funny to have it pointed out to me that people want her

 

[CannonStreak]

Here is an attempt to change the current topic:

If new designs for characters are used the next Smash Bros. game, what would you like to see, even if they are slight differences? Personally, I want to see Samus in her Metroid: Dread suit, King Dedede's look from Kirby and the Forgotten Land and Tears of the Kingdom Link.

 

[DarthEnderX]

About Charles Martinet...

Here’s a special video message from Shigeru Miyamoto and Charles Martinet regarding the change of Mario’s voice actor, announced on 8/21. pic.twitter.com/4mOpD2Cx3a

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) September 7, 2023

Special message is here.

Translation: "We're replacing Charles. But we're going to keep paying him so he doesn't start doing Cameos where Mario swears."

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I really like how to separate the fire emblem characters they gave them different victory themes to show what game their from.

Except Roy and Ike for some reason.

 

[fogbadge]

Here is an attempt to change the current topic:

If new designs for characters are used the next Smash Bros. game, what would you like to see, even if they are slight differences? Personally, I want to see Samus in her Metroid: Dread suit, King Dedede's look from Kirby and the Forgotten Land and Tears of the Kingdom Link.

I’d like to see villager matching new horizons
Link, Zelda and ganon in totk design
I guess it’d be cool to give sora his kh4 outfit
I agree with the dread suit
And you’d be as well to update the inklings

 

[Noipoi]

Sans Undertale has a legitimate chance next time. Or maybe The Human.

If indies ever get the nod, along with Shovel Knight, I’d say Undertale is the most likely option.

Just realized that. It’s no longer a meme.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Here is an attempt to change the current topic:

If new designs for characters are used the next Smash Bros. game, what would you like to see, even if they are slight differences? Personally, I want to see Samus in her Metroid: Dread suit, King Dedede's look from Kirby and the Forgotten Land and Tears of the Kingdom Link.

Future Connected Shulk and, while I doubt they'd do this, Future Redeemed Shulk who's in his 30s

 

[Noipoi]

You guys think the next Smash will have Mario’s new voice?

 

[Perkilator]

I really like how to separate the fire emblem characters they gave them different victory themes to show what game their from.

Except Roy and Ike for some reason.

Well, Roy was originally going to be in Brawl and this really was going to be the case.

 

[Sucumbio]

I voted for Snake in the poll because I was afraid he wouldn't come back. So depressing. I basically had no one to play 4 irl bc my wife flat out refused to play a d even talked **** while I was playing "this game sucks there's no Snake." Ugh... at least Ultimate did EiH.

Ok so... speaking of that .. can it be agreed it's highly unlikely EiH will happen again? The discussion ends up tirelessly cyclic without first establishing that Ultimate is the ceiling, not the floor. I also think it's a mistake to ignore how long it took for the game to be finalized. Covid aside. Sakurai and team could have actually gone another year into development and who knows what could have been. Anyway point I'm making is the Fighter Pass model remains popular in fgs, allows Nintendo to better dictate the total development length of a project, etc. This means Base roster need only contain Smash identifying characters or " Mainstays." The rest is DLC and if someone misses the boat it's because they're making room for another roster pick that's more mainstay than them. I'm not even going to try to reason who that would be because I'm not Nintendo and I don't want any character cut.

sidenote Ed Boom recently revealed his core 8 characters and Sonya wasn't one of them

 

[osby]

You guys think the next Smash will have Mario’s new voice?

If I'm not wrong, Smash usually reflects new voice actors so probably.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Its worth noting with Konami that the Pachinko element was always a bit overplayed in regards to how much of their revenue it actually made up. They've been emphasizing the Japanese market for a while and such focus on largely Eastern oriented series has meant their actual VG releases in the last six years have largely gone under the radar to North American and European fans (Momotareo Dententsu is the single best selling Konami game in Japan of all time but with no Western release its almost entirely unknown to the latter region).

Given Nintendo's absolutely monopoly when it comes to software over there, even if Konami still doesn't go that much into big Western IP's beyond the collections, they all the incentive to keep working with the Big N for stuff like Smash.

 

[Schnee117]

If I'm not wrong, Smash usually reflects new voice actors so probably.

I think Lucina is still the only exception to this at the moment despite the VA change happening just a few months after we got Greg Chun as Ike in 2017 but they're definitely gonna update Mario because well, he's Mario.

 

[Arcanir]

My reason and """"agenda"""" is the same as always.
The same as pre-Smash 4 era and the same as pre-Ultimate era.
All cuts in the series happened for technical reasons and never "because they wanted it". We always find that they TRIED to bring them back during datamine, ever since brawl.

Brawl? Five cut

Smash 4? Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Wolf and Icr Climber.
Five cuts. All of them beside wolf being technical issue, and Sakurai bringing back Roy, Lucas, Dr.Mario and Mewtwo

Yet people parade that next game will be like back to 55 or 60 characters when we're FAAAR from EVER doing that. There NEVER was any precedent or reasons to worry about a slaughter in the game. Yet every cycle, everyone panic that the next game will reduce the roster to like...20%.

Feel free to look at my post history, because even here, before ultimate, I was saying that the numbers of cut people expected made no sense back then

Here's my two cents on the matter:

If we're playing a numbers game, then it should be noted that 20% of Ultimate's current roster would be ~16 characters as we currently have 82 newcomers ignoring Echoes. That's still a decent amount more than the 5-10 that's bring brought up. Additionally, we are working with numbers for characters, stages, and the modes they all interact with that are all much larger than the games that came before them so we shouldn't be going into the next Smash game with exactly the same mindset as those previous games.

Also, I think a lot of fans tend to forget that just because we have the data doesn't mean we understand all of the work that goes into making these games and making all of that data click and click well. Whenever Sakurai himself talks about Ultimate he doesn't downplay how much effort it took to happen, and even admitted it barely did in the first interview he talks about the roster. Similarly, in that very same interview he said 'don't expect another' and he's been pretty consistent in his wariness on the prospect of a sequel bringing back everyone again. When the director himself is saying 'this was hard to do once, don't expect it twice', it's best to take his word into account and consider there's probably more to the situation we're not considering that probably makes things harder for a repeat.

Now, I don't think Sakurai is going to go out of his way to cut multiple characters pointlessly, that's not how he works, but I highly doubt that if we get cuts it's going to be as small of a number as five while also giving us 10+ newcomers, stages, and the like. If we get cuts it's probably going to be at least a decent amount more substantial as we are nearing a level of content that isn't sustainable for any developer. We've been warned that would be the case, and we should go forward with that always in the back of our minds.

 

[TheQuester]

Sans Undertale has a legitimate chance next time. Or maybe The Human.

If indies ever get the nod, along with Shovel Knight, I’d say Undertale is the most likely option.

Just realized that. It’s no longer a meme.

This is a hot take maybe, but i honestly don't think Shovel Knight is likely at all.
His popularity has fallen off a lot from the Smash 4 days.
If we get an indie rep is probably going to be Touhou, Undertale or Hollow Knight, they're all in nintendo consoles and they're very popular with a cult following.


Also, in the topic of a League of Legends rep, i wonder if they would pick Jinx or Ahri.

 

[EarlTamm]

Sans Undertale has a legitimate chance next time. Or maybe The Human.

If indies ever get the nod, along with Shovel Knight, I’d say Undertale is the most likely option.

Just realized that. It’s no longer a meme.

I feel like Shantae has a pretty good shot, considering she also got a costume with a music track, and even got a Spirit in the base game.