Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Stratos]

Please cite your source

All of this is basically a theory, it's not guaranteed to definitely happen sometime in 2024 and I'm writing this because I might have misunderstood something in what I've read.

 

[Ivander]

Why do people suggest Wrecking Crew for Waluigi? Why not Super Luigi Land 2 where Waluigi takes over Luigi's mansion for himself and Luigi has to get it back by finding 6 golden keys and then follow that game up with Super Luigi Land 3: Waluigi Land?

 

[fogbadge]

All of this is basically a theory, it's not guaranteed to definitely happen sometime in 2024 and I'm writing this because I might have misunderstood something in what I've read.

You’re the one who claimed the president had said it would be

Why do people suggest Wrecking Crew for Waluigi? Why not Super Luigi Land 2 where Waluigi takes over Luigi's mansion for himself and Luigi has to get it back by finding 6 golden keys and then follow that game up with Super Luigi Land 3: Waluigi Land?

I think Luigi would just leave waluigi in the painting

 

[Sucumbio]

All of this is basically a theory, it's not guaranteed to definitely happen sometime in 2024 and I'm writing this because I might have misunderstood something in what I've read.

Probably the earnings announcement that showed the Switch sales are "way down" so to keep revenue streams up most economists are assuming the next console will be out "soon."

The president of the company has only confirmed the successor will not release before end of the fiscal year, or March 31, 2024. Beyond that an earnings call with Sharp confirmed they're developing new displays for an unspecified video game console.

I still personally believe we'll get a new console announced next year in the spring and be released in the fall.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

At this point the 2024 estimate is a completely reasonable guess based both on Nintendo's statements and the strong (but gradually falling) sales of the current Switch. One final fiscal year carried by Tears of the Kingdom, Mario Kart 8, and whatever remaining low key releases to come in the next 10 months (ports, mid-level stuff like a hypothetical Mario Sluggers sequel) basically gets them to the finish line. Then come next Spring you announce the Switch successor and marketing hype for that begins.

 

[Stratos]

Some want a new Super Smash Bros. game, while others want a Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Deluxe.

 

[SPEN18]

fogbadge S Stratos I think this is coming out of the following article from IGN: https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-switch-successor-not-happening-for-another-year-at-least

It says that Nintendo is not considering new hardware for this financial year, which means April next year is the earliest possible we could get something. Note that it doesn't claim we actually will see something in 2024; that is simply the earliest possible per the article.
Practically, this would basically just rule out like a holiday 2023 release which isn't really a surprise. It's also unclear to me if they're saying we also won't hear any announcement about the next console this financial year, which would be slightly bigger news.

 

[fogbadge]

fogbadge S Stratos I think this is coming out of the following article from IGN: https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-switch-successor-not-happening-for-another-year-at-least

It says that Nintendo is not considering new hardware for this financial year, which means April next year is the earliest possible we could get something. Note that it doesn't claim we actually will see something in 2024; that is simply the earliest possible per the article.
Practically, this would basically just rule out like a holiday 2023 release which isn't really a surprise. It's also unclear to me if they're saying we also won't hear any announcement about the next console this financial year, which would be slightly bigger news.

thank you

 

[Stratos]

fogbadge S Stratos I think this is coming out of the following article from IGN: https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-switch-successor-not-happening-for-another-year-at-least

It says that Nintendo is not considering new hardware for this financial year, which means April next year is the earliest possible we could get something. Note that it doesn't claim we actually will see something in 2024; that is simply the earliest possible per the article.
Practically, this would basically just rule out like a holiday 2023 release which isn't really a surprise. It's also unclear to me if they're saying we also won't hear any announcement about the next console this financial year, which would be slightly bigger news.

You're right.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Really, there's going to be a lot of telling questions for the next 11 months. Will there be a Nintendo Direct or Partner Showcase in June? Do we get Metroid Prime 4 on the current Switch? Will there be any more Gamecube/Wii/Wii U ports (like Prime 2 and 3) to fill out the schedule? Will the last notable first party IP's to not get original games this gen (StarFox and Donkey Kong) show up before the next console? What is going to be the big holiday 2023 game? Will third parties save any announced releases (like Enix's Dragon Quest XII) for the next system? If Nintendo is announcing a Switch 2 next spring, what does that mean for the Feburary/March 2024 direct? Will we have cross gen games ala Breath of the Wild in the transition to next era?

There's been a tendency to act like TOTK is the last hurrah, but I think we're set to have a very interesting year at least speculatively given what we don't know.

 

[Sucumbio]

Snip

Will there be a Nintendo Direct or Partner Showcase in June? Yes

Do we get Metroid Prime 4 on the current Switch? No

Will there be any more Gamecube/Wii/Wii U ports (like Prime 2 and 3) to fill out the schedule? Yes

Will the last notable first party IP's to not get original games this gen (StarFox and Donkey Kong) show up before the next console? No

What is going to be the big holiday 2023 game? hmmm dunno!

Will third parties save any announced releases (like Enix's Dragon Quest XII) for the next system? Uh well they'll not announce any next console projects until Nintendo announces the next console. So they'll save all of them.

If Nintendo is announcing a Switch 2 next spring, what does that mean for the Feburary/March 2024 direct? Means we'll get a nifty look at the new console! And launch titles galore.

Will we have cross gen games ala Breath of the Wild in the transition to next era? Yes, I think TotK is that.

 

[Wonder Smash]

I can wait for another year, especially before speculation goes crazy again for the next Smash game.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Why do people suggest Wrecking Crew for Waluigi?

Because it perfectly fits his character. Being paid to destroy ****. While at the same time, reviving a retro classic.


Also...one hour till Zelda!!

 

[dream1ng]

No evidence of a game being made until it gets announced ; is how all video game companies want almost all of their games to market. This is a moot point.

Yeah it's a moot point because it's obviously clickbait, so entertaining it further is moot.

What makes you believe ; i think it will be successful ?
Or that i am even very interested in a game like this , should it come out ?
which i might be if the company does the characters i would want right.

Those were my opinions, I wasn't bothering to guess what yours were.

 

[Sucumbio]

I can wait for another year, especially before speculation goes crazy again for the next Smash game.

Yeah. This is technically my first time during speculation between games and I feel like time has moved by pretty quickly. But I'm really unable to gauge beyond the obvious daily traffic... Like we're at page 600 something with maybe 2 or 3 pages a day if it's busy but towards the end of Ultimate it was several times that, and that was considered slow bc it was way after the games release and just DLC spec.

I am hoping that TotK inspires some ideas.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah. This is technically my first time during speculation between games and I feel like time has moved by pretty quickly. But I'm really unable to gauge beyond the obvious daily traffic... Like we're at page 600 something with maybe 2 or 3 pages a day if it's busy but towards the end of Ultimate it was several times that, and that was considered slow bc it was way after the games release and just DLC spec.

I am hoping that TotK inspires some ideas.

Ugh, I hated the 100 pages a day thing. I could not keep up, especially as a Moderator who had to check for any issues within the topic. It rarely was the case, but when I moderate a section, I try not to rely solely on reports but at least look at a few topics too. It also helps if it's a topic I sometimes participate in or frequent anyway. Not always the case, as problems can occur anywhere, heh. It's just easier to catch if you take a little time to read.

It's also part of why some posts were considered spam as well when they tried to do a "let's make it to [this page]" because it's not actual discussion. Can't say if it applies now anyway, though obviously that doesn't matter for stuff like a social thread, but for designated threads, their rules aren't as lax(cause of what constitutes being on-topic and all).

Overall, was a pretty bad speculation period. In many many ways.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Forum sure is slow today. I wonder what everyone's doing!


headshots bokoblin

 

[dream1ng]

Yeah. This is technically my first time during speculation between games and I feel like time has moved by pretty quickly. But I'm really unable to gauge beyond the obvious daily traffic... Like we're at page 600 something with maybe 2 or 3 pages a day if it's busy but towards the end of Ultimate it was several times that, and that was considered slow bc it was way after the games release and just DLC spec.

I am hoping that TotK inspires some ideas.

It's fun when it's fuelled by constant updates, active enough that it can sustain dozens of specific threads, and unknown enough that many candidates are still "alive". Though yes, you can't keep up with every page. Not that you'll really miss much, if something is significant it will get brought up consistently.

It gets less fun when you enter droughts or have to meander around in the dark between DLC updates, when certain fanbases become bloated and unruly, with post-reveal/deconfirmation tantrums, and/or when speculation takes a backseat to "leaker" circlejerks.

Basically it's at its best when there's enough going on that discussion doesn't become dominated by only one or two topics/leaks.

I imagine the peak of activity has passed, since forums aren't the populated hubs they used to be. But it'll still pick up with the next game.

 

[Wonder Smash]

There sure are a lot of great series that started in 1986.

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[dream1ng]

There sure are a lot of great series that started in 1986.

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2001 was pretty good too

 

[MasterCheef]

I hope he is right. we will have to see.

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[Wonder Smash]

2001 was pretty good too

Of course. Melee came out that year.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Of course. Melee came out that year.

They're talking about franchises, not games.

So stuff like Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Halo, Jak and Daxter, Fatal Frame, Golden Sun, Devil May Cry, Ace Attorney, Super Monkey Ball, and Zoo Tycoon.


Damn. That year really was stacked.

 

[Wonder Smash]

They're talking about franchises, not games.

They never even said franchises.

 

[Idon]

They never even said franchises.

"Series that started in X year" aka franchises

 

[Wonder Smash]

"Series that started in X year" aka franchises

Which is not what they said. Only that 2001 was pretty good too.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Which is not what they said. Only that 2001 was pretty good too.

There sure are a lot of great series that started in 1986.

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They said that in response to your comment talking about franchises that started in 1986.

 

[Wonder Smash]

They said that in response to your comment talking about franchises that started in 1986.

But only just saying that 2001 was good too, which is...not really the same thing. Being good could mean different things.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

But only just saying that 2001 was good too, which is...not really the same thing. Being good could mean different things.

Conversations have context. Dream1ng's post was replying specifically to your post about a topic and even included words like "too," to indicate that they are continuing the conversation.

Other people were able to understand what was said. You weren't. That's okay. But when others explain what was meant, please don't double down on your confusion. The issue wasn't that the post was unclear. You just misread it. And you're making something simple into a bit of a problem by drawing it out.

Just let it go, man. It isn't worth it. I'm done talking about this.

 

[Idon]

But only just saying that 2001 was good too, which is...not really the same thing. Being good could mean different things.

That is what the current subject of the conversation and it did not change.

"This was a good year for series"
"This year too"
"Yeah it had this singular game"

It's called context.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Conversations have context. Dream1ng's post was replying specifically to your post about a topic and even included words like "too," to indicate that they are continuing the conversation.

Other people were able to understand what was said. You weren't. That's okay. But when others explain what was meant, please don't double down on your confusion. The issue wasn't that the post was unclear. You just misread it. And you're making something simple into a bit of a problem by drawing it out.

Just let it go, man. It isn't worth it. I'm done talking about this.

What was only said in relation to my post was a specific year and that's it. Nothing about franchises, series, or games, and that's something you can't deny. Like I said, saying that another year is good too could mean anything. So in the end, it's not that you two understood and I didn't. You're both just guessing. That's it.

That is what the current subject of the conversation and it did not change.

"This was a good year for series"
"This year too"
"Yeah it had this singular game"

It's called context.

Oh, you definitely changed it. See how you kind of twisted that? I didn't say it was a good year for series. I said a lot of great series started that year. That's why it's important to be more specific.

Though keep in mind, franchises do start with a singular game. so the connection is still there.

You know, you guys could have just let the poster reply on their own instead doing it for them. It's not like they can't speak for themselves. They could have just cleared it up from the start (if they wanted to) and that would have been it.

 

[dream1ng]

Which is not what they said. Only that 2001 was pretty good too.

That's not how conversation works. Context permeates across speakers.

You defined it as series that started in said year. "2001 was good too" in isolation doesn't even have to be about games.

Did you think I may have been talking about the Kubrick movie?

What was only said in relation to my post was a specific year and that's it. Nothing about franchises, series, or games, and that's something you can't deny. Like I said, saying that another year is good too could mean anything. So in the end, it's not that you two understood and I didn't. You're both just guessing. That's it.

"I like pizza"
"Me too"
"You too what?"

Is this how you think conversation works?

You know, you guys could have just let the poster reply on their own instead doing it for them. It's not like they can't speak for themselves. They could have just cleared it up from the start (if they wanted to) and that would have been it.

Well... they were right. This wasn't some oblique puzzle, you said a was x, I said b was x too. Context is maintained implicitly if there's no explicit reframing.

This is a strange hill to die on.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Might be better to move on to something else, anyway.

I want to see more Mooks in just for the amiibo, won't lie. I also want to see more alternate costume amiibo. Hero and Koopalings are the most notorious missing ones. Koopalings I get cause they need a good reason for functions(and it's a lot of work to make even one), but Hero feels a bit odd considering how much they'd sell. Sure, I get it gets pricey, but that's why it... will sell super well. Only oddity is Solo, since he has the least popularity anywhere. Erdrick owns the East, Eight owns the West, and Luminary is in the big spotlight. Solo still would look amazing, though, and I'd love what is as close to the first DQ1 protagonist as possible, so.

 

[dream1ng]

Might be better to move on to something else, anyway.

I want to see more Mooks in just for the amiibo, won't lie. I also want to see more alternate costume amiibo. Hero and Koopalings are the most notorious missing ones. Koopalings I get cause they need a good reason for functions(and it's a lot of work to make even one), but Hero feels a bit odd considering how much they'd sell. Sure, I get it gets pricey, but that's why it... will sell super well. Only oddity is Solo, since he has the least popularity anywhere. Erdrick owns the East, Eight owns the West, and Luminary is in the big spotlight. Solo still would look amazing, though, and I'd love what is as close to the first DQ1 protagonist as possible, so.

At this point I mostly wonder how long amiibos will continue for. I'm not surprised the Smash ones have persisted through DLC, but I am a bit more surprised other new games continue to get them. Not because they're aren't profitable, more just because I didn't think Nintendo would still give a **** about supporting games that released after (sometimes years after) the boom of this market faded.

In theory this market is probably sustainable, given there will likely always be demand for certain Nintendo figures. But Nintendo also seems the type to eventually just close up shop if the hype is so-so.

I suppose the next system has to have amiibo functionality if it's backwards compatible, otherwise some games will have some features inaccessible if played on the system. I do wonder how many games for that system will continue to get new waves, though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

At this point I mostly wonder how long amiibos will continue for. I'm not surprised the Smash ones have persisted through DLC, but I am a bit more surprised other new games continue to get them. Not because they're aren't profitable, more just because I didn't think Nintendo would still give a **** about supporting games that released after (sometimes years after) the boom of this market faded.

In theory this market is probably sustainable, given there will likely always be demand for certain Nintendo figures. But Nintendo also seems the type to eventually just close up shop if the hype is so-so.

I suppose the next system has to have amiibo functionality if it's backwards compatible, otherwise some games will have some features inaccessible if played on the system. I do wonder how many games for that system will continue to get new waves, though.

It also depends if the next system is backwards compatible. They have sometimes done that, but it's quite variable. GameCube to Wii, Wii to Wii U, and GameBoy to GameBoy Color/GBA along with DS to 3DS were mostly it. N64 doesn't have it, SNES never had it. They don't seem too keen on that often.

That said, remakes/remasters and ports are fairly common enough to make the amiibo stuff worth it. Along with new ones. It's definitely gotten people's attentions, with Smash perhaps being the biggest amiibo holder in itself. Though yeah, could go either way. We got a while for the next system, but I expect 'em throughout the Switch's lifespan at the very least. It's already compatible with the console, so milking the rest for what it's worth isn't a bad idea. Especially since TOTK will have enough options for new ones beyond Link if they go that route. It's a goldmine. Look at Monster Hunter alone getting quite a few. It's easier to sell than microtransactions at times(which it is one, but a unique physical version that ultimately looks nice on shelves too and has an easier time selling to kids as well). So I'm not too surprised it's being kept up... for now.

 

[Wonder Smash]

That's not how conversation works. Context permeates across speakers.

You defined it as series that started in said year. "2001 was good too" in isolation doesn't even have to be about games.

Did you think I may have been talking about the Kubrick movie?

I don't know what that is. Maybe being more specific would help.

"I like pizza"
"Me too"
"You too what?"

Is this how you think conversation works?

That's not even how the conversation was like. It's more like:

"Man, this pizza video shows why Pizza Hut is a great place to eat".
"Subway is pretty good too."
"Oh, because they make good pizza too."
"No, it's because it's another good place to eat."

See? One is not as clear as the other one.

When I was talking about 1986, I posted a video showing what I meant (something that none of you seem to acknowledge, which is the problem). The video itself wasn't exactly about what series started that year but what characters debuted (which, in some cases, the first appearances of many main characters that came out and therefore, series that started), and that video was Smash related as it's about spirits, so it overall goes with the topic.

Meanwhile, you mentioned 2001 but...for what? There's no video or pics about that in your post. I didn't see any reason for that to be brought up, so that could have been any year. It could have been 1987, or 1993, or 2011. There's no clear connection there. It seemed random. So I see no reason to bring that up unless you were talking about Melee, which just happened to come out that same year and considering this still involves games coming out a certain year and this is still about Smash, that's the only sense I can make with you bringing that year up.

Well... they were right. This wasn't some oblique puzzle, you said a was x, I said b was x too. Context is maintained implicitly if there's no explicit reframing.

This is a strange hill to die on.

So they made a good guess that you just happened to go along with (no surprise). Simple as that.

 

[Sucumbio]

Lol wtf am I reading rn. Smh we definitely need some speculation material cause this, is dumb.

 

[Oracle Link]

Might be better to move on to something else, anyway.

I want to see more Mooks in just for the amiibo, won't lie. I also want to see more alternate costume amiibo. Hero and Koopalings are the most notorious missing ones. Koopalings I get cause they need a good reason for functions(and it's a lot of work to make even one), but Hero feels a bit odd considering how much they'd sell. Sure, I get it gets pricey, but that's why it... will sell super well. Only oddity is Solo, since he has the least popularity anywhere. Erdrick owns the East, Eight owns the West, and Luminary is in the big spotlight. Solo still would look amazing, though, and I'd love what is as close to the first DQ1 protagonist as possible, so.

Alternate costumes? Zelda, Ganondorf and Links! Smash amiibo are just straight up outdated (And the link smash amiibo is ugly)
And in Zeldas and G dorfs Case there is no Amiibo Alternative!

Also speaking of Amiibo If anyone likes Link more as a child/ Toon SCAN THE LINKS AWEKENING AMIIBO! you probablay wont be disapointed! Yeah i just couldnt resist!

 

[fogbadge]

Alternate costumes? Zelda, Ganondorf and Links! Smash amiibo are just straight up outdated (And the link smash amiibo is ugly)
And in Zeldas and G dorfs Case there is no Amiibo Alternative!

Spoiler: Zelda TOTK Amiibo non story spoilers

Also speaking of Amiibo If anyone likes Link more as a child/ Toon SCAN THE LINKS AWEKENING AMIIBO! you probablay wont be disapointed!

Is there much point in spoilering that when you’re avatar is advertising it

 

[Oracle Link]

Is there much point in spoilering that when you’re avatar is advertising it

Yeah im dumb! what do you think should i change back?