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I totally agree. My most wanted Kirby character is Bugzzy and my most wanted Mario character is a Goomba. I think basic enemies often have very fun designs that can lend well to really unique Smash characters.
Nah, you only get to play the "it's a basic enemy but they have a full moveset lmao" card once. You do it multiple times and it ceases to be funny.
TCT~Phantom
explained Octoling very well.
It's ridiculous to suggest that Dedede and Meta Knight aren't Kirby villains.
I don't really think so. He only really plays the main antagonist in Dream Land 1, Adventure, and various remakes and spinoffs. Aside from that, he's usually a world boss or a puppet for the games big bad or whatever. Closer to the role Bowser Jr tends to play, in my opinion. Meta Knight is barely even a villain, only being the main antagonist in one mode in Super Star, a minor bad guy role in two games (Adventure and Squeak), and is either brainwashed or good or both everywhere else (it would be like calling Wario a Mario villain because of Land 2). Kirby doesn't have a consistent main antagonist, unless you want to count the various Dark Matter aligned characters as one but that's not very accurate.
I didn't even find it funny the first time.
Thank you, always nice to be judged like that. Not contemptuous at all.
Gimme someone like Dark Matter.
Well to be honest timing is the key. Sakurai himself admitted that if Awakening was released 6 months later, Robin might not have made it in to Smash 4.
cough cough rex cough cough
They started as antagonistic rivals, not villains. Dedede over food and superiority and Meta Knight over wanting challenge Kirby and wanting him to prove himself.
For XC3 it would be more due to the release timing of the game, so far away from a new smash, though there are other factors as well.I said this before but the only characters I’m expecting for the next Smash first-party-wise are Bandana Dee, Octoling, and a XB3 character.
People say Xenoblade 3 could “rotate out of relevancy” but like it’s a pretty big deal? It’s sold almost 2m copies in less than a year and was nominated for Game of the Year in addition to a ton of other accolades. I personally feel like whether it’s Noah, Mio, or both in some way, we’re garenteed to get something from that game on the roster.
The other two I don’t really think I need to explain much and with all due respect
I feel like fans over-exaggerate that bias thing. Sure Sakurai is going to have closer connection to the parts he made and would be easier to his stuff in but isn't going out of his way outright reject anything that came afterwards. If Bandana Dee is given that opportunity, he will show up with the rep that comes with it.
tell that to the stage selection and the assist trophies
Obviously it’s because he’s not a cute anime girl!
I feel this sentiment is because all the original, non-ported Kirby content in Ultimate is from the games Sakurai made. Because of this, I can slightly understand the concerns that Bandana Dee may be passed over because he became prominent in games Sakurai didn’t direct but I still think this fear is a bit exaggerated (still, there are worse arguments about Sakurai than that and I think you might remember one of them)
you kid but it’s probably trueObviously it’s because he’s not a cute anime girl!
Yeah, it's ridiculous that people would deny the villainy of...two characters who've explicitly been on the side of good for more than two decades of their three decade existences.
Read the second sentence
what the part about sakurai not rejecting things that came after his games? to which i replied the stages and assist trophies are all from his era?
Honestly… Not a bad point. And yeah Awakening basically had a similar impact on it’s series that XB3 did since they were both the turning points that made the franchises become more mainstream.
Oh, cool. So they must not be bosses in basically every Kirby game that comes out then?
You're not writing a college dissertation here. That's a semantic argument when discussing cartoon video game characters.
Two of those go on to become Star Allies. So by the above argument, they aren't villains anymore.
The worst thing Dedede even does is steal food and Meta Knight was only an antagonist in one Kirby Super Star sub-game with debatable canonicity and otherwise is Kirby’s sworn ally. All of the Dedede fights in recent games are because he’s been mind controlled and Meta Knight always fights Kirby as a test of strength. I don’t think they’re really villains dude.
And...does Kirby want that? Or is Meta Knight just some guy that keeps trying to murder him with a sword to show off how strong he is?
How is the Arena non-lethal? Kirby dies when he loses there the exact same way he dies in the main game.
You mean those boss appearances where Dedede is clearly possessed, Meta Knight is explicitly performing a sparring match to test if Kirby is ready for the next fight, or are otherwise the results of misunderstandings?
A reminder that Dedede stole the Star Rod from the Fountain of Dreams without mind-control. If you didn't know Dedede was doing it to prevent Nightmare from rising, you could certainly argue it was one of the worse-r things he did compared to him stealing food.
Yeah but like you said, he did it because he was trying to prevent Nightmare from rising, it was a simple misunderstanding and not something I really see as “villainous”.
Isn't Dedede possessed in most of those? Whether it's being taken over by Dark Matter, used as a literal puppet, or being controlled by some other eldritch abomination, he's not in control of his actions. (The past few games that come to mind have been Swole Dedede and Wild Dedede - he was in control of himself in Kirby Fighters 2, but that was more of a rivalry/competition scenario, rather than Dedede doing anything evil)
Are you sure? I thought the Kirby formula was that the villain is an eldritch demon and Kirby kills them. Or at least that's what happens in the two Kirby games I've played.
Dedede is primarily the main nemesis of Kirby just like how Bowser is for Mario. It's why he's the main antagonist or boss in the first place. His roles in the games don't have to be identical to Bowser's but it's pretty clear that Dedede's antagonistic role directly opposes Kirby's protagonist role.
