Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[fogbadge]

i will stop the acquisition.

tell us how you get on

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

I remember when everyone kept saying Smash on Switch would be a port/deluxe edition of 4 before the actual reveal lol. I see the cycle has begun anew, it's 2016 again boys

 

[Soy_Man]

I remember when everyone kept saying Smash on Switch would be a port/deluxe edition of 4 before the actual reveal lol. I see the cycle has begun anew, it's 2016 again boys

Even after the reveal there were still people who would smugly remind you that it's a port of smash 4, because they genuinely thought that.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Even after the reveal there were still people who would smugly remind you that it's a port of smash 4, because they genuinely thought that.

I pretty much just viewed it as a port of Smash 4 until like, Byleth dropped.

 

[Quillion]

I pretty much just viewed it as a port of Smash 4 until like, Byleth dropped.

Understandable considering I view the Switch era as just a continuation of the Wii U era.

Not in terms of (lack of) success mind, but more how the Switch isn't a generational leap from the Wii U in terms of horsepower and how a lot of Wii U games were ported to the Switch.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Understandable considering I view the Switch era as just a continuation of the Wii U era.

Not in terms of (lack of) success mind, but more how the Switch isn't a generational leap from the Wii U in terms of horsepower and how a lot of Wii U games were ported to the Switch.

The Switch really does sometimes feel like the Wii U 2.

Hopefully it doesnt have the same shoddy construction that is causing Wii U's to die off weirdly fast.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I remember when everyone kept saying Smash on Switch would be a port/deluxe edition of 4 before the actual reveal lol.

In some ways...it was.

 

[Aaayei]

Ultimate is as much of a 4 port as Majora's Mask was an Ocarina of Time rerelease

 

[Sucumbio]

Gameplay wise the changes from Melee to Brawl or Brawl to Smash 4 were more significant than from 4 to Ultimate. I miss ledge hogging... I also still try to run through my opponent forgetting you can't do that anymore lol.

 

[osby]

Gameplay wise the changes from Melee to Brawl or Brawl to Smash 4 were more significant than from 4 to Ultimate. I miss ledge hogging... I also still try to run through my opponent forgetting you can't do that anymore lol.

Ledge hogging was a really annoying mechanic imo. It basically meant that characters with a hitbox in their recovery moves had an inherent advantage over everyone else and you could just sit on the ledge to edge-guard them.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Gameplay wise the changes from Melee to Brawl or Brawl to Smash 4 were more significant than from 4 to Ultimate. I miss ledge hogging... I also still try to run through my opponent forgetting you can't do that anymore lol.

Yeah, I gotta agree with Osby. Ledge Hogging wasn't great. It made the rich richer and the poor poorer.

I will agree that I miss being able to run through opponents. It led to some good mind games.

 

[Oracle Link]

Are you guys still remembering the Times a lot of people Seemed to hate On Bandana waddle Dee and kirby getting a fourth rep in general!
That luckily died down i even see a lot of people agreeing that magolor should join smash 6 as the fifth rep okay after 5 reps it gets more divisive again but atleast most people are fine with 5!

 

[fogbadge]

Ultimate is as much of a 4 port as Majora's Mask was an Ocarina of Time rerelease

you mean it started off as one for an unreleased console add on but was then remade into a brand new game in under a year using most of the same assets?

 

[osby]

I wonder how many Smash fans would consider vanilla Persona 4 a port of Persona 3 FES.

 

[Laniv]

Are you guys still remembering the Times a lot of people Seemed to hate On Bandana waddle Dee and kirby getting a fourth rep in general!
That luckily died down i even see a lot of people agreeing that magolor should join smash 6 as the fifth rep okay after 5 reps it gets more divisive again but atleast most people are fine with 5!

My take is that Kirby deserves 6 characters. As a treat.

 

[Troykv]

My take is that Kirby deserves 6 characters. As a treat.

Who you could personally picks?

 

[Laniv]

Who you could personally picks?

• Kirby
• Meta Knight
• King Dedede
• Bandana Dee
• Magolor

and then either Dark Matter or Susie.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Are you guys still remembering the Times a lot of people Seemed to hate On Bandana waddle Dee and kirby getting a fourth rep in general!
That luckily died down i even see a lot of people agreeing that magolor should join smash 6 as the fifth rep okay after 5 reps it gets more divisive again but atleast most people are fine with 5!

I don't remember seeing genuine hate for a 4th Kirby rep. I agree that Bandana dee was more "controversial" because some people see him as too generic, but Marx, Magolor and to some extent Adeleine were always fairly popular.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

If Sakurai doesn’t come back for the next game, whoever ends up replacing him would have some big shoes to fill. There is such strong admiration for Sakurai especially coming off the fanservice-filled Smash Ultimate that very few people would rejoice at Sakurai not coming back (Seriously who would be happy to see Sakurai not coming back because they feel he did a bad job with the roster as opposed to wanting him to rest because they feel he did a good enough job?).

 

[Aligo]

I would agree with this. If it wasn't for bandanna Dee, the idea of a new Kirby fighter would be much more popular.

 

[NintenZ]

I feel like Bandana Dee kinda had to prove himself before being considered

In like Smash 4 and before Ultimate he was the player 4 only really just introduced as a prominent character and he barely had even a spec of merchandise

Nowadays though? He’s player 2 in Forgotten Land, he’s gotten tons of merchandise and even his own song, he was featured as a character in Universal City Walk, and if you look at a recent example being the Kirby magnets that recently got revealed

smack in the middle, even over other prominent characters such as Dedede and Meta Knight

At this rate he’s cemented himself as a prominent character in the franchise to the point where I’m legitimately expecting him for the next game

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

With the popularity of Forgotten Land (and given the early sales numbers RtDL Deluxe) in Japan, I think that fanbase alone might force Nintendo's hand in including BWD in the next game.

 

[fogbadge]

I would agree with this. If it wasn't for bandanna Dee, the idea of a new Kirby fighter would be much more popular.

bit harsh

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

I don't remember seeing genuine hate for a 4th Kirby rep. I agree that Bandana dee was more "controversial" because some people see him as too generic, but Marx, Magolor and to some extent Adeleine were always fairly popular.

I dunno about this. A lot of people tout Bandana Dee as the only feasible Kirby option here, and the reception on whether or not that's a good thing varies a bit.

If only other Kirby characters were seen as candidates, that would help me talk more.

 

[Aligo]

bit harsh

BWD seems to be the only character that gets pushback in terms of Kirby characters, while other suggestions are received more positively. BWD is definitely a winner in term of series representation though.

For a more biased opinion, I feel that having BWD as the second player was detrimental to the co-op experience of the forgotten land, as it greatly reduced the move options and environmental interactions for the second player, while also offering nothing to make up for it. A second Kirby would have worked better, even if it wouldn't make lore sense.

 

[NintenZ]

BWD seems to be the only character that gets pushback in terms of Kirby characters, while other suggestions are received more positively. BWD is definitely a winner in term of series representation though.

For a more biased opinion, I feel that having BWD as the second player was detrimental to the co-op experience of the forgotten land, as it greatly reduced the move options and environmental interactions for the second player, while also offering nothing to make up for it. A second Kirby would have worked better, even if it wouldn't make lore sense.

I’m gonna be honest I don’t think other Kirby characters get brought up enough in a serious discussion outside of Bandana Dee to gauge whether or not they’re received more “positively”

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

I’m gonna be honest I don’t think other Kirby characters get brought up enough in a serious discussion outside of Bandana Dee to gauge whether or not they’re received more “positively”

I would bring it up, if people weren't so fast to dismiss it for the alleged higher shot Bandana Dee has. I don't even think that's inherently unfeasible to guess that, but the fact Bandana Dee hasn't happened yet, despite having estimated high shots every cycle, makes the dismissal of other Kirby reps' chances feel much more disingenuous than usual.

 

[fogbadge]

BWD seems to be the only character that gets pushback in terms of Kirby characters, while other suggestions are received more positively. BWD is definitely a winner in term of series representation though.

For a more biased opinion, I feel that having BWD as the second player was detrimental to the co-op experience of the forgotten land, as it greatly reduced the move options and environmental interactions for the second player, while also offering nothing to make up for it. A second Kirby would have worked better, even if it wouldn't make lore sense.

what utter rot. every character gets push back. those two things are ju

I would bring it up, if people weren't so fast to dismiss it for the alleged higher shot Bandana Dee has. I don't even think that's inherently unfeasible to guess that, but the fact Bandana Dee hasn't happened yet, despite having estimated high shots every cycle, makes the dismissal of other Kirby reps' chances feel much more disingenuous than usual.

yeah it’s sakurais doing

 

[Zerp]

I'd blame the fact that Kirby still has 3 characters for how dismissive people are, not the suggestions themselves. You'd think we'd be talking about character #5 or even 6 by now, not "Will Bandana Dee or Magolor be #4". We've just looped back to pre-Smash 4 because we're nearly 10 years overdue lol.

 

[Aligo]

I'd blame the fact that Kirby still has 3 characters for how dismissive people are, not the suggestions themselves. You'd think we'd be talking about character #5 or even 6 by now, not "Will Bandana Dee or Magolor be #4". We've just looped back to pre-Smash 4 because we're nearly 10 years overdue lol.

...That is a good point. Just a slightly less dire version of Zelda character speculation I suppose.

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

Well at least Kirby fans can mostly make up their mind with what character they all want to mostly rally behind. The desire for Zelda newcomers is kind of all over the place so we don't usually have clear frontrunners most of the time although Impa and Skull Kid do have their moments where they lead the charge

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Bandana Waddle Dee isn't really controversial or divisive. At least no more than characters like Waluigi, Krystal or Dixe Kong are. Frontrunners always generate some level of adversity and they're often times called generic simply due to "overexposure."

Personally I think "generic" is pretty poor criticism. It lacks real definition and can be applied to almost anything. "Samus is a generic space marine character. Mario is some generic good guy. Kirby is some generic cute Japanese character." Calling something generic is usually reductionist.

Bandana Waddle Dee is having a bit of a King K. Rool style moment. The majority of the Kirby fanbase have rallied behind a character and are pushing them hard. There are other characters with their fans, and if they don't like Bandana Waddle Dee, they can feel left behind. Dixie Kong fans sometimes feel they were left behind after K. Rool got in.

It's still okay to talk about other characters. I personally think Magalor has a pretty great shot of being included some day. Especially if he keeps his momentum up. People saying they think X is likely shouldn't dissuade you from bringing it up.

BWD seems to be the only character that gets pushback in terms of Kirby characters, while other suggestions are received more positively.

Bandana Waddle Dee gets pushback because he's popular. This always happens. It happened for Ridley, K. Rool, Chrom, Mega Man, Palutena, Cloud, etc.

I mean, Ridley pushback effectively became it's own meme and was referenced in his tagline.

Waluigi, who is generally seen as the most popular Nintendo character left, has immense pushback.

I'm reminded of how Fire Emblem discussion was before Smash 4. People would swear up and down that Chrom wasn't popular, myself included. He'd be called generic, lame and a carbon copy of those who came before him. He was one of the most dunked on characters on this website. He still topped most polls with only veteran Roy being around his level. Robin got in before him. People memed his rejection for years. None of that changed that Chrom was still legitimately popular. His popularity even got him included in Smash. And love endures more than hate. Its trendy to hate on something and trends pass and go. Love of a character lasts for ages.

 

[Sucumbio]

I want BWD in the next Smash and I stand by this statement. Please, Nintendo! BWD for Smash let's goooooo!.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

BWD is good pick but personally i would prefer characters like Magalor, Marx, Tarzana or even Susie.

I feel like they have greater moveset potential from their source and Kirby still hasn't a antagonist/villian spot despite other Nintendo franchises do.

No, Meta Knight and Dedede do not count. At all.

 

[Ivander]

No, Meta Knight and Dedede do not count. At all.

Meta Knight and Dedede still started as villains and had villain roles even after their debuts. Not to mention Meta Knight was used with Kirby for the villains bit for King K. Rool and it was based on Kirby fighting Meta Knight in Revenge of Meta Knight in Super Star.

Unless you want to say Wolf doesn't count as a villain since he had allied roles in Assault and Command.

 

[Aligo]

A proper villain for Kirby would be pretty neat.

 

[Troykv]

Meta Knight and Dedede still started as villains and had villain roles even after their debuts. Not to mention Meta Knight was used with Kirby for the villains bit for King K. Rool and it was based on Kirby fighting Meta Knight in Revenge of Meta Knight in Super Star.

Unless you want to say Wolf doesn't count as a villain since he had allied roles in Assault and Command.

Oh yeah, Dedede and Meta Knight debuted as antagonists, though, even in the games were they're at their most antagonistic, the games actually go out of their way to don't put them in a super negative light, Meta Knight is most of the time just a guy that is testing Kirby's skill or is working as Dedede's mercenary pal. The only game where Meta Knight is effectively a villain is in Super Star, where he decides to bring his rough sense of love to the whole land xD.

 

[SPEN18]

Even as a longtime Dee detractor, it has gotten pretty difficult to deny that Dee is the top option for the next Kirby rep.
That said, I'd like to see Marx and/or Magolor make it someday also.
I would've personally preferred that they push one of the latter two into a Dedede/MK sort of role rather than go so hard on expanding Dee's importance. But what they did is what they did, and so here we are with Dee as the de facto P2 and the one that should probably get in first if I'm trying to be objective about it, even though Dee is not the one I personally like the most.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

It would be pretty funny to get more Pirahna Plant esque characters.

 

[Ivander]

It would be pretty funny to get more Pirahna Plant esque characters.

Remember how alot of people recognised Sephiroth's theme? How fast do you think people would recognise the newcomer when you hear this theme in the trailer?