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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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Yeah I wonder if the media and fanbase are as overamped about the Switch successor coming soon as they were about a Switch Pro in the months leading up to the OLED model...

The more certain thing is that Nintendo will milk the Switch for all that it's worth, whether that takes it only til 2024 or beyond. They're probably dreading having to try to repeat the Switch's success...and they will likely not be in a rush to move on until they feel they absolutely have to.
 
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SPEN18 said:
Yeah I wonder if the media and fanbase are as overamped about the Switch successor coming soon as they were about a Switch Pro in the months leading up to the OLED model...

The more certain thing is that Nintendo will milk the Switch for all that it's worth, whether that takes it only til 2024 or beyond. They're probably dreading having to try to repeat the Switch's success...and they will likely not be in a rush to move on until they feel they absolutely have to.
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the expectation is we will get a 10X power boost. to me it is worth it. assuming the rumors are true. i expect huge power boost considering all the competition the Switch has gotten.
 
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chocolatejr9 said:
MK8D is gonna get 5 more DLC characters after Birdo.
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It's just gonna be 5 more characters from Tour.
My guess is Pauline, Kamek, Diddy, Dixie, Funky.

There's been a rumored leak though that lists 14 more drivers.
 
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1. Green Diamond Luigi
2. Baby Goomba
3. Oogtar
4. Red without Ashley.
5. A Rhythm Heaven character because WarioWare is the bridge between both series

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Nabbitfan730 said:
Expecting Smash Bros for Holiday 2024 barely 3 years after of over-nonstop development time from Smash 4 to Ultimate is just wishful thinking unless Sakurai immediately jumped into the next game which he didn't.

Bandai Namco disbanded to work on new projects like Tekken 8 and Sakurai is now semi retired. If Sakurai truly is done for good then finding a successor will take time. It wouldn't be stretch to say that Smash 6 hasn't even started development yet.

Also Nintendo doesn't directly with other console holders like that (Nintendo themselves don't even do consoles anymore) and even if they did, they have a lot of big hitters that can sustain themselves. ToK port, Metroid Prime 4, Mario, Animal Crossing, Pokemon etc. Smash isn't the only A-lister Nintendo's got.

A smash doesn't immediately need to drop just because a new system comes. A 2026 release would be more reasonable
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Most major franchises don't have breaks in their development cycles though. Putting aside the stereotypical examples like Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and the various licensed sports games that see annual releases, most studios move on to the next game or DLC in a tentpole franchise right after completing an entry. Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, and HAL are basically always working on something in the Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and Kirby franchises, even when the next entry is years out. Companies, especially publishers selling AAA games, don't like risk and relying on proven IPs is one of the safest moves you can choose. The idea that Nintendo would want a new Smash project in development ASAP isn't weird. If anything, the idea that Nintendo wouldn't want a new Smash game in development is pretty weird given contemporary market trends.

Also, Smash doesn't need Bandai Namco or Sakurai's successor in order to exist. Namco is a very talented development studio, but a lot of studios are talented and could handle releasing a Smash game. Even if Nintendo really wanted a studio with experience making fighting games, Capcom, SNK, and Arc System Works are all available. That's also not considering the possibility that Bandai Namco is developing a Smash game with a different team than the one that developed Smash Ultimate.

Regarding Sakurai's successor, Nintendo is a business at the end of day and they will find someone to direct the next Smash, regardless of whether or not Sakurai handpicked this person. A multi-billion dollar franchise isn't going to grind to halt because a single person is concerned about its artistic integrity. If Sakurai doesn't find someone by the end of the year, does that mean Smash will miss your proposed 2026 release date? If Sakurai never finds someone, does that mean that Smash is just done?

While Nintendo may not compete with Microsoft and Sony in that they don't create high-end gaming consoles, they still compete with these companies in that they still create gaming hardware. It's like having three movies in three different genres that launch in the same weekend. They may occupy different market niches, but they still compete in a broader market because consumers only have so much money and time they can spend on movies. Plus, we're in a recession, which means less disposable income for consumers generally. Nintendo is going to be keeping an eye on all consumer electronics when deciding the launch window for new products. Nintendo may not compete with Apple, but that doesn't mean some consumers won't have to decide between purchasing a new Switch or a new iPhone next year.

I agree that Nintendo does have other options for a Holiday 2024 title (although ToK would be too old and Metroid is too obscure to fill that role respectively), but that doesn't mean Nintendo is going to sit on their ass when it comes to getting Smash to market. There's a reason why every Nintendo console since the Gamecube had a Smash game in development before the hardware was released. Choosing to hold off on developing a new entry in a series that consistently shifts hardware for no reason other than having a handful of other series that also shift hardware that could exist alongside Smash really doesn't make any sense.
 
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Garteam said:
Regarding Sakurai's successor, Nintendo is a business at the end of day and they will find someone to direct the next Smash, regardless of whether or not Sakurai handpicked this person. A multi-billion dollar franchise isn't going to grind to halt because a single person is concerned about its artistic integrity.
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Although I think 2024 is way too soon for the next Smash game (partially because I'm on the train saying that the next hardware is not necessarily gonna be 2024 to begin with), I like this point and it warrants further emphasis that there is nothing Sakurai could do to stop Nintendo from proceeding with another Smash game whenever they want.
 
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MasterCheef said:
the expectation is we will get a 10X power boost. to me it is worth it. assuming the rumors are true. i expect huge power boost considering all the competition the Switch has gotten.
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I also think there will be a big power boost but not out of a perceived need to keep up with the "competition." A higher-powered hybrid competitor still can't boast Nintendo's first party software library; Nintendo knows full well that it can always skimp on the power to some extent because nobody can come close to competing with its exclusive brands. But, even assuming they stick with the highly successful hybrid model (which certainly eliminates the need to go as far in the power department as the XBox/PS dedicated home consoles do), upping the power addresses some of the primary recent criticisms with the Switch and helps them continue to attract third party developer support. Bundle that with a sleek new design and perhaps some in-package controller options that are better than the brilliant yet flawed Joy-Cons (though knowing them, they'll try something equally gimmicky for the primary control style again), and probably you've really got something.

edit: boy, I really gotta stop assuming someone else has posted already by the time I finish my next remarks...
 
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chocolatejr9 said:
Who's up for a late night Smash Bros conspiracy theory?


MK8D is gonna get 5 more DLC characters after Birdo. What Mario characters would be popular enough to be added here AND have a decent shot at Smash?

Hey, I said this was a LATE NIGHT Smash Bros conspiracy theory. I'm tired, and my brain is already halfway off...
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Who do you think is gonna be the non mario character?
 
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Soy_Man said:
Who do you think is gonna be the non mario character?
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I don't think the row matters for the new characters. It doesn't seem like Birdo belongs in that first row, after all.

Perkilator said:
I really think MK8's original roster just sucks in general, mostly because of all the variations of exisitng characters being given separate slots.
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It's weird cause they even have a system in place for costumes.

But I guess it's cause things like babies and metals have different stats.
 
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Ivander said:
Yeah, probably ROB, which I wouldn't be against. Although imagine if they actually get Pac-Man. It's kinda amazing that the littlest possibility is there when you remember Namco did help with Mario Kart 8 and Deluxe.
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Thats my pipe dream.

They specifically said it would only be characters from past Mario Karts.
Mario Kart Arcade is a past Mario Kart and it featured, Pacman, don chan and the Tamagotchi mascot on the playable roster, ergo those three characters are from "past" Mario Kart games. lol
 
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Perkilator said:
I really think MK8's original roster just sucks in general, mostly because of all the variations of exisitng characters being given separate slots.
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If they didn't have separate slots, wouldn't it be the same roster but with fewer characters and some costumes inexplicably having different stats?
 
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Yeah just to reiterate, Ninty has an embarrassment of riches with its number of options for potential holiday carries. There is nothing gone awry if Smash ends up more a mid-cycle rather than early-cycle game in a particular console gen; other games could easily pick up the slack if a new Smash was put off. Just because Smash has been early-cycle doesn't mean it always will be, and the questions regarding what to do after Ult only give more excuse to wait longer and allow hunger for a new game to grow (not to mention that said hunger only helps to offset any potential backlash to the inevitable content cuts).
 
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LiveStudioAudience said:
Bring back Diddy. I'd really like Dixie, to finally show up on mainline MK but Diddy should have have never been removed from the series to begin with.

And throw Kamek a bone already; guy's never been in a console Mario Kart game even after being planned for MK64.
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And E. Gadd !
 
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MAN, does it feel nice to be excited for Level-5's future. Not just in regards to Smash, but in general: I was genuinely concerned they were on their last legs...

(Also, they confirmed a few weeks ago that they're already working on the "next big thing" for Yo-kai Watch, so there's also that to look forward to: still hoping for YK4 English release.)
 
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chocolatejr9 said:

MAN, does it feel nice to be excited for Level-5's future. Not just in regards to Smash, but in general: I was genuinely concerned they were on their last legs...

(Also, they confirmed a few weeks ago that they're already working on the "next big thing" for Yo-kai Watch, so there's also that to look forward to: still hoping for YK4 English release.)
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I'ts nice to know they found their mojo back after the concerning slump they where stuck into during the Switch's lifespan.

I came for Layton, but I was genuinely interested in all the other games they showcased too, especially their new IP Deca Police, hopefully it does well.

I don't know how much longer the Switch has left, but if Ninty does end up releasing a successor within the coming year or two, that they will make sure to release some of those games there too, would hate to see them end up with another Yo-Kai Watch 3 where they get released too late on a console no one cares about anymore...
 
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While we're on the topic of Mario Kart 8, several characters have received buffs:


This will, in all likelihood, mark the end of the Waluigi + Wiggler meta, and the beginning of the Rosalina/King Boo/Link meta.
 
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Geno Boost said:
I wonder how he will ride a bike lol
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For a serious answer, if he’s designed just like how he is in MKDS, he’ll just be bolted down to the seat of the bike and he will control the bike’s steering electronically, without holding the handlebars.

I‘m not really expecting him, since I assume that they will prioritize characters that have assets from Tour that they can use as a starting point, instead of needing to make them from scratch.
 
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