Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[TCT~Phantom]

Idk why anyone would call ARMS a dead series when it isn’t dead yet (it came out in the switch life cycle) and isn’t a series yet.

If we are on the topic of Sega content, my dream Sega content would be a Comix Zone stage. It is one of the most inventive and visually unique games of its era, I’d love to see how it would be adapted into a stage.

 

[HyperSomari64]

If we are on the topic of Sega content, my dream Sega content would be a Comix Zone stage. It is one of the most inventive and visually unique games of its era, I’d love to see how it would be adapted into a stage.

My dream SEGA content world be Club SEGA as a stage.
nvm, they sold their arcade output

 

[dream1ng]

NiGHTS was Saturn? I thought that was Dreamcast...

Also yeah, Tempo looks like a fun little dude. If Smash was a rhythm game, he'd be top tier, I bet.

It sort of has the Dreamcast sensibilities of imaginative, ambitious, colorful, underrated and desperate.

But nope, it's Saturn.

 

[SneakyLink]

On the Sega content, my dream would be to have Asha from Monster World 4 as a character.

Mostly for the Pepelogoo appearance in her moveset.

 

[PeridotGX]

I would bomb a small french village to get vectorman in smash

 

[HyperSomari64]

Maybe my dream of having Club SEGA as a stage is over and broken.
But there's still Game Taito Station

 

[dream1ng]

I would bomb a small french village to get vectorman in smash

I would french a small village to get bomberman in smash

I wouldn't village small frenchmen to get vector in smash, though

 

[chocolatejr9]

I would bomb a small french village to get vectorman in smash

Er, let's avoid the war jokes for now. Advance Wars dans are STILL suffering because of unforeseen real world events...

I would french a small village to get bomberman in smash

I wouldn't village small frenchmen to get vector in smash, though

But would you vector small frenchmen to get village in Smash?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I miss Shining Force in general. It's ignored a lot when it comes to SEGA stuff(including by its own owner). Being they do bring back a lot of older works, it's probably because they acquired it far later on or something??? Whereas the older works they often owned from the start. I could be off on that. It's not like the older works are given anything new beyond an appearance in a crossover, so sometimes it feels odd this series isn't ever included.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I of course want Kiryu in smash as another Sega rep, he's basically the mascot at this point since they make more Yakuza stuff nowadays than Sonic stuff.

Include classic Sega arcade games as mii costumes alongside him, like Puyo Puyo, Fighting Vipers and Virtual On.

I miss Shining Force in general. It's ignored a lot when it comes to SEGA stuff(including by its own owner). Being they do bring back a lot of older works, it's probably because they acquired it far later on or something??? Whereas the older works they often owned from the start. I could be off on that. It's not like the older works are given anything new beyond an appearance in a crossover, so sometimes it feels odd this series isn't ever included.

I think the last time we got Shining force anything was in Project X Zone.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I think the last time we got Shining force anything was in Project X Zone.

Ah, from EXA. Not as good as the classics, but it's still something. :D

 

[dream1ng]

If Camelot parted ways with Nintendo you can bet they wouldn't bother with Golden Sun again. Not that anything has come of it in a long time, anyway.

I guess it's nice Sega has kept Shining going in Camelot's absence. Though I have no idea if the new games are any good.

 

[Zerp]

Most fire emblem reps are for advertisement but why other series such as Zelda and Kirby mainly don’t get the same treatment despite having bigger audience and new games coming that can be advertised?

I think Intelligent Systems might just ask for help promoting things more often? Like, maybe the others don't go out of their way to make requests on a regular basis. Or, Intelligent Systems may simply have really good relations with Mr. Sakurai and Bandai Namco. I have no idea what Nintendo's internal politics are like but I won't be shocked if they're a factor.

So, aside from the current conversation, does anyone think we will get a Direct announcement tomorrow if the rumors mean anything now? If so, why (else) do you think that?

Haven't been following the rumors but I've been guessing sometime this week. At the very least I expect we'll get something this month. I'd also bet on a Pokémon direct in February and I'd imagine Nintendo would want a general direct before that.

Speaking of directs, I'll go ahead and guess what a February 2023 one could be like for fun.

Prediction:
-Kirby RTDL remake gets more details
-Mario Sports Game that's a shell of it's former self in the most boring way possible
-Sizzle reel of small games
-Something something Mario movie
-Big multi-platform JRPG
-Fire Emblem DLC
-Your bi-annual reminder that Tears of the Kingdom exists
-Mario Kart Wave 4
-Pikmin 4 gameplay and release date
-At least one farming game
-No Metroid Prime 4

 

[MomijiInubashiri630]

I think if we were to get another SEGA series I'd take Jet Set Radio the most by far. But that's unlikely af, as JSR has been an inactive series sadly for quite some time...
I guess for ones that actually have a chance? Kiryu, Arle, or Aiai are my choices, I like all those and I think they'd bring something new to the table. Though in my honest opinion I think I just want another Sonic character, there's lots of potential with Sonic's famous cast. Whether it be Tails, Eggman, Shadow, Metal Sonic, Knuckles, there is tons you can do with another character.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Most fire emblem reps are for advertisement but why other series such as Zelda and Kirby mainly don’t get the same treatment despite having bigger audience and new games coming that can be advertised?

Probably because the regular Zelda and Kirby cast in Smash are usually sufficient marketing for new games.

You can use Link and Kirby to advertise a new Zelda and Kirby game. But using Marth or Ike to advertise a new Fire Emblem game is a harder sell. They're most likely not going to be in it.

 

[Ivander]

I miss Shining Force in general. It's ignored a lot when it comes to SEGA stuff(including by its own owner). Being they do bring back a lot of older works, it's probably because they acquired it far later on or something??? Whereas the older works they often owned from the start. I could be off on that. It's not like the older works are given anything new beyond an appearance in a crossover, so sometimes it feels odd this series isn't ever included.

They did try to make a Shining Force mobile game that actually focused on characters from the first couple games, but that got canned not too long after.

If Camelot parted ways with Nintendo you can bet they wouldn't bother with Golden Sun again. Not that anything has come of it in a long time, anyway.

I guess it's nice Sega has kept Shining going in Camelot's absence. Though I have no idea if the new games are any good.

The new games after the Camelot games went down a different direction. Whereas the Force games focused on tactical strategy, the games after Camelot became action-focused. There was only one attempt at another Tactical-based game and that was Shining Force Feather, which played differently from the Camelot games. Shining Blade I think may have been semi-tactical, as I think that game was similar to Valkyria Chronicles in gameplay.

That said, the games I did play after the Camelot games: Shining Soul 1 was good and Shining Soul 2 was great(both are Diablo-styled gameplay-wise), Shining Force Neo I wasn't able to finish. I didn't have any issues against it with what I played other than it being incredibly hard and reliant on potion heals, but it's possible I was playing it very wrong. Other games I didn't know were tied to the Shining series exactly or they didn't release them outside Japan, like Shining Blade, which I think is decently popular in Japan.

Edit: I did get Shining Force Refrain from a sale, but I have yet to play it.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Funny we should be taking about Ganondorf, because TKOWL just did a rework recently.

Smash moveset commission for
@KidSmashing
of a Ganondorf rework! pic.twitter.com/2e66omrDL4

— Ryan's Art Account (@TKOWL_Art) February 3, 2023

Idk why anyone would call ARMS a dead series when it isn’t dead yet (it came out in the switch life cycle) and isn’t a series yet.

Seriously. It came out THIS console.

A series isn't dead until it's missed a console generation.

I of course want Kiryu in smash as another Sega rep, he's basically the mascot at this point since they make more Yakuza stuff nowadays than Sonic stuff.

Agreed. This should be his Final Smash.

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[SpecterFlower]

My sega content is arle.

and my direct predictions cause why not:
Tears of the kingdom trailer
Xenoblade dlc
We love katamari remaster
Return to dreamland remake final content reveal
Vouchers
Style savvy
Baiten katos or f-zero gx remaster, don’t see them doing both
Something about octopath 2
Monster hunter rise update
2 or 3 new 3rd party ports
New fire emblem dlc
Maybe pikmin 4 but I’m ifffy on that.
Square Enix assembly line jrpg’s

and mayyyyyyyybe the donkey kong game, thoguh who knows we’ll see.

i don’t think we see Metroid until the middle of the year.

 

[Speed Weed]

if Smash added 15 more SEGA characters I would be happy. I would be content

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

My dream Sega rep is for there to actually be more Sega rep

 

[fogbadge]

in terms of sega all we need is tails. maybe eggman

 

[Gengar84]

in terms of sega all we need is tails. maybe eggman

My most wanted is probably Knuckles. He was always my favorite Sonic character. I’d love another Persona character like Mitsuru, Kanji, or Makoto since they were my favorites in each game but they’re all side characters and not particularly likely. Vectorman is another cool idea I’ve seen brought up a few times.

 

[osby]

in terms of sega all we need is tails. maybe eggman

Incorrect. We need him now, maybe more than ever:

 

[fogbadge]

in terms of sega all we need is tails. maybe eggman

oh yeah and billy hatcher

 

[osby]

oh yeah and billy hatcher

Speed Weed wants to know your location

 

[fogbadge]

Speed Weed wants to know your location

I don’t need any drugs

 

[DarthEnderX]

Guys, don't you know Sega sucks?

Play It Loud!

 

[Gengar84]

I was always a Nintendo kid growing up. Despite playing games since the 80’s, I know surprisingly few Sega games. The only Sega console I owned was a Dreamcast after it was really cheap and had already died.

 

[Speed Weed]

in terms of sega all we need is tails. maybe eggman

oh yeah and billy hatcher

holy **** I have never seen a more astoundingly unbased take in my life. how is this possible. holy ****. holy ****

 

[fogbadge]

I was always a Nintendo kid growing up. Despite playing games since the 80’s, I know surprisingly few Sega games. The only Sega console I owned was a Dreamcast after it was really cheap and had already died.

wait you’re older than me?

 

[Gengar84]

wait you’re older than me?

Yeah, I’m 38. My user name ends in my birth year. The first game I owned was the three in one pack of Super Mario Bros., Duck Hunt, and Track for the NES but I have a few memories of playing my neighbor’s Atari before that. That’s probably why so many of my most wanted characters started on the NES or SNES.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah, I’m 38. My user name ends in my birth year. The first game I owned was the three in one pack of Super Mario Bros., Duck Hunt, and Track for the NES but I have a few memories of playing my neighbor’s Atari before that.

wow. now I’m wondering why I’ve been getting zoomer vibes off you this whole time

 

[chocolatejr9]

wow. now I’m wondering why I’ve been getting zoomer vibes off you this whole time

Probably the Xenoblade fanboying. That's what got me, at least.

 

[Gengar84]

wow. now I’m wondering why I’ve been getting zoomer vibes off you this whole time

That is weird. I don’t think many zoomers would be advocating for the Battletoads or Bill Rizer for Smash. I’d have thought so many of my most wanted characters coming from older generations would have given it away if my user name and profile didn’t already.

 

[fogbadge]

That is weird. I don’t think many zoomers would be advocating for the Battletoads or Bill Rizer for Smash. I’d have thought so many of my most wanted characters coming from older generations would have given it away if my user name and profile didn’t already.

i know plenty of people who love things from before they were born

 

[Gengar84]

i know plenty of people who love things from before they were born

That’s fair. My brother’s a huge Star Wars and Alien fan and those all started before we were born. Maybe I’m still a kid at heart and never truly grew up. I’m still buying TMNT action figures so I probably haven’t changed much at all since I’ve aged lol.

 

[chocolatejr9]

That’s fair. My brother’s a huge Star Wars and Alien fan and those all started before we were born. Maybe I’m still a kid at heart and never truly grew up. I’m still buying TMNT action figures so I probably haven’t changed much at all since I’ve aged lol.

Nobody REALLY ages, if you ask me. We still love the things we love no matter how much time passes.

 

[fogbadge]

That’s fair. My brother’s a huge Star Wars and Alien fan and those all started before we were born. Maybe I’m still a kid at heart and never truly grew up. I’m still buying TMNT action figures so I probably haven’t changed much at all since I’ve aged lol.

well if may quote a great bit of telly from before I was born “what’s the point in being a grown up if you can’t be childish”

 

[Gengar84]

well if may quote a great bit of telly from before I was born “what’s the point in being a grown up if you can’t be childish”

The funniest thing is that even people that see me in real life think I’m way younger than I actually am. I’ve had a few people that thought I was 24 or 25 recently.

Back to somewhat on topic, has anyone played Ruined King on Switch? It’s an RPG based on the League of Legends universe. It feels like a hybrid between a Diablo game and a classic turn based JRPG. I didn’t really know much of anything about LoL before Arcane because I’m no good at competitive online games like MOBAs but the show was so good I figured I’d try out the RPG. It’s actually pretty fun with a lot of cool character designs. The combat system is really creative and fun for a turn based game. It reminds me a bit of Grandia’s combat if it were strictly turn based and not an ATB. I’ve been playing it a good amount since beating Xenoblade 3 (though I still have a ton of side quests left to do in that game).

It’s helping me learn a lot more about several characters in the franchise I knew nothing about previously. I remember Yasuo being brought up a few times as a possible Smash contender and he’s a fun character. Ahri is also in the game but I haven’t reached the point where she’s playable yet. I actually like every character and their designs I’ve come across so far. Pyke is particularly cool looking. Every character so far seems like they’d be a great fit for Smash Bros. (although Yasuo might get frustrating to play against since his gimmick is based on critical hits and we all know how that was received on Hero).

 

[Lionfranky]

What about reps from non-Japanese Asian games?
The only ones that pop from my mind are Travelers from Genshin and Striker from Dungeon and Fighter.
People talk about how Nintendo wants to extend its reach to Chinese market. While Genshin is absolutely gigantic, D&F shouldn't be underestimated.
I choose Striker because she is one of the main characters chosen for DNF Duel. While she may overlap with Chun-Li as female martial artist, I think Slayer class overlaps way more with Sol Badguy in term of aesthetic and playstyle.