Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[BritishGuy54]

Re: Rereleases

I don’t think Ultimate Deluxe is happening.

This isn’t to say Nintendo won’t rerelease some Switch games, remastered and spruced up for the Switch 2. They likely will, but I don’t think it’d be for Smash.

Even then, barring stuff like a Breath of the Wild Remastered or Xenoblade 2 Definitive Edition coming sooner, I think most Switch rereleases will come later in the Switch 2’s life cycle, say around 2030 at minimum.

 

[Guynamednelson]

also an extra one or two fighter passes to convince people to re-buy it.

But why not have them be for the Ultimate we already have instead? I don't want to spend an extra $90 to keep playing an up-to-date version of the game.

 

[BrawlX10]

How do you guys feel about Resident Evil rep as a base game adition?

 

[Perkilator]

How do you guys feel about Resident Evil rep as a base game adition?

Probably something that's best suited for DLC, IMO.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I do wish they'd make a version of Ultimate that has the DLC already installed on cartridge.

They could get cute with it and call it "Super Smash Bros Ultimate: Special" and in japan "Super Smash Bros Special: Ultimate"

That would be really nice. The Switch 2 Eshop should still have it, but when it goes down in like a decade FP1 and FP2 might be unable to be bought legally.

Emulation and the fact it's Smash means I'm not worried about it being lost media or anything, but it would be shame for so much content to be limited to those willing to try Switch Emulation.

This is all hypotheticals for the end of a console that hasn't even been launched yet, but after Smash 4's DLC got swallowed up by the Eshop closure, it'd be a shame for the same thing to happen to the Ultimate Smash.

 

[BrawlX10]

Probably something that's best suited for DLC, IMO.

Yeah, probably.
What 3rd party characters do you see as base game material?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Yeah, probably.
What 3rd party characters do you see as base game material?

I don't think it really matters. Banjo would arguably be a base game third-party with his blatant Nintendo connection, and yet they still devoted DLC resources to him.

 

[ninjahmos]

Yeah, probably.
What 3rd party characters do you see as base game material?

Shadow, Chun-Li and Ryu Hayabusa

 

[Noipoi]

Yeah, probably.
What 3rd party characters do you see as base game material?

Shadow as a base game semi-clone.

 

[Perkilator]

Yeah, probably.
What 3rd party characters do you see as base game material?

Off the top of my head, Ryu Hayabusa and Crash Bandicoot. Hayabusa appeals to a Nintend-centric crowd, and Crash appeals to a more general audience.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

I am still curious Is anyone against a Toon/ Toy Link Hybrid for the next game?
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Like just have like Link (all adults), Zelda (all adults), demon king Ganondorf, OOT Sheik, Impa and maybe Midna and skullkid together with a duo
Of Toon Link (Default) and a sligthly bigger Limbed toy link as An Alt? Like that would be the best option for smol Link Rep Right? Heck throw in moves from both Incarnations (+ fire arrows from young link) for even more variation and bamm great character!

The proportions are different so it wouldn’t work as an alt.

My opinion is that it’s they will probably keep Toon Link if it’s not just regular Link returning.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ocarina of Time Link as a Echo Fighter to BotW / TotK Link. I been saying this.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Ocarina of Time Link as a Echo Fighter to BotW / TotK Link. I been saying this.

*Twilight Princess Link

I really miss that Gale Boomerang.

 

[ninjahmos]

Ocarina of Time Link as a Echo Fighter to BotW / TotK Link. I been saying this.

Only if they can get Nobuyuki Hiyama to reprise his role and re-record his grunts and yells.

 

[Perkilator]

Please, just one Link and no more clones of him. That’s all I ask for the next game.

cough

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

That's also not considering factors that impact modernity to many are disconnected from the games represented in Smash. Movement, graphics, (hopefully) improved online, and even just the inherent fact it's a new game all contribute to a new Smash potentially feeling modern, especially for the portion of the fanbase that's not very familiar with the wider roster.

"This game feels modern" is also a subjective judgment that will vary from person to person. I know you are dead set on Sakurai's current project not being Smash, but attempting to police others' opinions to conform to your conclusions feels tacky.

Saying I'm policing others' opinions to conform to my conclusions is a bit rude, isn't it? I was just genuinely confused by the statement because it felt paradoxical to me, wanting the game to feel more modern but limiting the types of content more modern titles can be in.

And I'd love the game to feel good and have good online too, but none of that tells me it's time for a new Smash right now as a launch title when pre-established patterns of development, Smash's insane level of marketing push (which I'll remind you you're suggesting would be in a smaller timeframe than the game that revealed 65/69 of its characters in one Direct), and the timeline with Namco would suggest otherwise.

You're free to think what you want about when we're getting Smash, but I was speaking strictly on the content in the game feeling more modern, not the gameplay, graphics, or online (which are all things that everyone wants to feel modern by default).

 

[ninjahmos]

They should bring back this taunt for Link:

I just think it gives him a shred of personality.

 

[BrawlX10]

They should bring back this taunt for Link:

I just think it gives him a shred of personality.

"Eh" - Link, 2001

 

[Thegameandwatch]

They should bring back this taunt for Link:

Probably replacing up taunt since the current one is somewhat redundant because it’s also used for one of Link’s Victory Animations.

Samus’s up taunt should either be the Melee Taunt or replaced by the thumbs up like in Prime 3.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Please, just one Link and no more clones of him. That’s all I ask for the next game.

cough

The monkeys paw curls and your wish has been granted. Now say hello to Mario, Doctor Mario, Paper Mario, Baby Mario, 8 Bit Mario, and Pink Gold Mario, all thankfully decloned!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Probably replacing up taunt since the current one is somewhat redundant because it’s also used for one of Link’s Victory Animations.

Samus’s up taunt should either be the Melee Taunt or replaced by the thumbs up like in Prime 3.

Or the Lon Lon Milk taunt if Young Link gets cut.

I like that taunt.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Beyond the Castlvania and Metal Gear content we got content from Bomberman, Goemon and Power Pros, and nothing from Contra.

This argument about when the game released affecting its popularity is so strange. I could talk about how Contra was heavily inspired by popular action movies that released in the mid to late 80s, and that people who were recent fans of those films gravitated towards Contra, thus Contra benefited from the cultural zeitgeist of the era to be successful. Regardless, unless fraud is involved I don’t think how a game saw its success really matters, but even if this kind of thing did matter can you even calculate how big the rising interest of indie games in 2017 was, and how much it affected Cuphead’s sales? This claim your making seems so baseless.

So I’m exaggerating Cuphead’s popularity, because the exact current sales numbers are unknown, but you are not exaggerating Contra’s popularity, despite the exact current sales numbers being unknown, is that what’s going on here? It would be nice for you to acknowledge that Cuphead was successful due to it’s own merits is all.

Obviously people played the Contra games after the trilogy, I’m not trying to argue these games sold 0 copies, but it’s pretty obvious the later games were not as successful, we know for a fact that most of these games were not as well received critically at the very least, and are far less talked about. I don’t think the sales numbers stayed the same, it just seems like a safe bet to assume the current sales numbers are not that significantly higher.

If you want to dismiss the examples of how popular Cuphead is, I’d like to hear how you determine what’s popular.

We also got nothing from Silent Hill or Frogger either. So what? Not every major series was going to be presented in Smash (as we saw with Ninja Gaiden and Double Dragon). Though I doubt Contra would get anything less than playable representation if it was represented in Smash.

That's not the same thing, as it's not like action movies and video games were linked to each other, as opposed to indie games just being games. However, when you're comparing a recent game's success in a more present era to a much older game's success in a distant past era, it's really not a simple case of "this game sold more so it's more popular". If this new game is such a big hit that many fans love it, yet fans also still love these older games that still continue to inspire the newer ones, then it's obviously not a simple case of which one sold more. BOTH games are great. So there's obviously more to it than what it appears. A lot of has changed since then. Back then, even if Contra didn't sell over a million copies, it could still have been just as popular as Cuphead is now in the eyes of gamers back then.

That's exactly what's going on here. You brought up Cuphead's popularity in the first place, claiming it'll be more popular than Contra will ever be, despite not knowing either games current sales numbers. And I also see why you're so worried about me acknowledging how Cuphead was a success, even though I already said I see why many fans love it.

Yeah, as of it right now, we can assume that. However, with a series of Contra's own fanbase and popularity, it's kind of hard to say for sure. And seeing how 1996 was a long time ago, it's almost pointless to think that's even worth bringing up at this point.

Cuphead's popularity is not being disputed here. It's the comparison to Contra that's being discussed. Though it's strange how it all just because I said it would feel wrong to have an indie character get in over a character from a series that inspired him in some ways.

 

[Gengar84]

Well I like Contra and I don’t care about Cuphead so you can add one to the Contra column.

 

[ninjahmos]

If Shadow gets in, I think one of his taunts could be "Let me show you my real power!" as a reference to Sonic Adventure 2.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

If Shadow gets in, I think one of his taunts could be "Let me show you my real power!" as a reference to Sonic Adventure 2.

Speaking of taunts, in the Closed Beta of Sonic Racing CrossWorlds, Sonic actually says the line, "You're too slow!". If they are not doing union stuff for next Smash and have to reuse lines from other games, Nintendo has no excuse this time around to add "You're too slow!" as part of Sonic's figure 8 running in place taunts.

If they don't add that, then we riot! (Nah, not really, but you know what I actually mean)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Speaking of taunts, in the Closed Beta of Sonic Racing CrossWorlds, Sonic actually says the line, "You're too slow!". If they are not doing union stuff for next Smash and have to reuse lines from other games, Nintendo has no excuse this time around to add "You're too slow!" as part of Sonic's figure 8 running in place taunts.

If they don't add that, then we riot! (Nah, not really, but you know what I actually mean)

I heard that line and honestly, it lacks ALL of the sass that it had as a Brawl taunt to the point where I would genuinely prefer them keeping "Sonic speed!"

I will be hiding in a bunker so none of y'all can kill me for this opinion

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Metal Sonic should be in for no other reason than to be able to HUE HUE for a taunt.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

I heard that line and honestly, it lacks ALL of the sass that it had as a Brawl taunt to the point where I would genuinely prefer them keeping "Sonic speed!"

I will be hiding in a bunker so none of y'all can kill me for this opinion

I know. Part of that, though, is that there is a different voice actor saying it. I still think it should be used as part of Sonic's taunt next Smash Bros.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Metal Sonic should be in for no other reason than to be able to HUE HUE for a taunt.

True but he has to be DLC because Sega LOVES making him DLC for no reason

 

[ninjahmos]

Bro, if Metal Sonic ever gets in…they better use Stardust Speedway Bad Future for his reveal trailer. And add Stardust Speedway Present.

Metal Sonic should be in for no other reason than to be able to HUE HUE for a taunt.

So basically this.

 

[BrawlX10]

We also got nothing from Silent Hill or Frogger either. So what? Not every major series was going to be presented in Smash (as we saw with Ninja Gaiden and Double Dragon). Though I doubt Contra would get anything less than playable representation if it was represented in Smash.

That's not the same thing, as it's not like action movies and video games were linked to each other, as opposed to indie games just being games. However, when you're comparing a recent game's success in a more present era to a much older game's success in a distant past era, it's really not a simple case of "this game sold more so it's more popular". If this new game is such a big hit that many fans love it, yet fans also still love these older games that still continue to inspire the newer ones, then it's obviously not a simple case of which one sold more. BOTH games are great. So there's obviously more to it than what it appears. A lot of has changed since then. Back then, even if Contra didn't sell over a million copies, it could still have been just as popular as Cuphead is now in the eyes of gamers back then.

That's exactly what's going on here. You brought up Cuphead's popularity in the first place, claiming it'll be more popular than Contra will ever be, despite not knowing either games current sales numbers. And I also see why you're so worried about me acknowledging how Cuphead was a success, even though I already said I see why many fans love it.

Yeah, as of it right now, we can assume that. However, with a series of Contra's own fanbase and popularity, it's kind of hard to say for sure. And seeing how 1996 was a long time ago, it's almost pointless to think that's even worth bringing up at this point.

Cuphead's popularity is not being disputed here. It's the comparison to Contra that's being discussed. Though it's strange how it all just because I said it would feel wrong to have an indie character get in over a character from a series that inspired him in some ways.

I don't want to sound rude, but its not necesary to have a long debate every time someone disagrees with your point.
Sometimes it's just better to let it go.

 

[ninjahmos]

Bro, if Metal Sonic ever gets in…they better use Stardust Speedway Bad Future for his reveal trailer. And add Stardust Speedway Present.



So basically this.

Oh, I forgot.

Why not add Stardust Speedway as a stage along with Metal?

…Actually that'd be dope.

 

[Wonder Smash]

I don't want to sound rude, but its not necesary to have a long debate every time someone disagrees with your point.
Sometimes it's just better to let it go.

Why...did you just reply to me and not the other person? That's strange.

 

[BrawlX10]

Why...did you just reply to me and not the other person? That's strange.

I was trying to reply to you, i don't see how it's strange.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Oh, I forgot.

Why not add Stardust Speedway as a stage along with Metal?

…Actually that'd be dope.

Make it a stage people dread.

It's a scrolling stage with Eggman tailing behind with his death laser just like the boss fight/race.

 

[Wonder Smash]

I was trying to reply to you, i don't see how it's strange.

So why did you only just reply to me? Why not to anybody like Godzillathewonderdog?

 

[BrawlX10]

So why did you only just reply to me? Why not to anybody like Godzillathewonderdog?

I have no reason to quote the user you mentioned as he was just explaining stuff to you.
I'm also not going to continue the discussion, i already expressed my thoughs adove.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

We also got nothing from Silent Hill or Frogger either. So what? Not every major series was going to be presented in Smash (as we saw with Ninja Gaiden and Double Dragon). Though I doubt Contra would get anything less than playable representation if it was represented in Smash.

That's not the same thing, as it's not like action movies and video games were linked to each other, as opposed to indie games just being games. However, when you're comparing a recent game's success in a more present era to a much older game's success in a distant past era, it's really not a simple case of "this game sold more so it's more popular". If this new game is such a big hit that many fans love it, yet fans also still love these older games that still continue to inspire the newer ones, then it's obviously not a simple case of which one sold more. BOTH games are great. So there's obviously more to it than what it appears. A lot of has changed since then. Back then, even if Contra didn't sell over a million copies, it could still have been just as popular as Cuphead is now in the eyes of gamers back then.

That's exactly what's going on here. You brought up Cuphead's popularity in the first place, claiming it'll be more popular than Contra will ever be, despite not knowing either games current sales numbers. And I also see why you're so worried about me acknowledging how Cuphead was a success, even though I already said I see why many fans love it.

Yeah, as of it right now, we can assume that. However, with a series of Contra's own fanbase and popularity, it's kind of hard to say for sure. And seeing how 1996 was a long time ago, it's almost pointless to think that's even worth bringing up at this point.

Cuphead's popularity is not being disputed here. It's the comparison to Contra that's being discussed. Though it's strange how it all just because I said it would feel wrong to have an indie character get in over a character from a series that inspired him in some ways.

This is a fruitless endeavor, I try to use evidence to back up my points, and all you do is try to baselessly dismiss the validity of Cuphead’s success, act like not having 100% of the picture means we can’t glean any useful information from the pieces we have, and the only point in favor of Contra you bring up is it being old and having a legacy.

If you want to conclude that we don’t have enough concrete evidence to definitively prove Cuphead is more popular than Contra than fine, we’ll leave it at that.

 

[Wonder Smash]

I have no reason to quote the user you mentioned as he was just explaining stuff to you.
I'm also not going to continue the discussion, i already expressed my thoughs adove.

Explaining stuff...like I was doing. So you have no reason to quote me either.

This is a fruitless endeavor, I try to use evidence to back up my points, and all you do is try to baselessly dismiss the validity of Cuphead’s success, act like not having 100% of the picture means we can’t glean any useful information from the pieces we have, and the only point in favor of Contra you bring up is it being old and having a legacy.

If you want to conclude that we don’t have enough concrete evidence to definitively prove Cuphead is more popular than Contra than fine, we’ll leave it at that.

You were talking about Cuphead being more popular than Contra, which you exaggerated with sales that we don't have currently for both series. Nobody is disputing the game's success, it's just that it's not a direct indication of the game's popularity. This is really just another reason why I say people shouldn't obsessed with sales so much, as people could easily say Wii Fit is more popular than the Smash Bros series too.

Yeah, we can come to that conclusion. That's fine with me.

 

[ninjahmos]

If Travis Touchdown ever gets into Smash, they should use this as his victory theme: