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It's one thing to have a character join as a Final Smash, since that at least brings with it a level of prestige.
Honestly yeah. Like Heroes especially, lately, has been leaning into Alear's use of arts hard. It's to the point where she's basically a battle monk who can shoot energy beams while also occasionally using a sword.
I've always thought Alear's best Final Smash would be turning into their Emblem form, rushing through someone, and either comboing them into or just blasting them with Dragon Blast, so I'd honestly be super okay with Arts getting some rep in Smash since they're a pretty new weapon type for the series.
only photo realistic characters? no thank youThe next Smash should just do what Melee was originally meant to, but extend it to all JRPG characters. Make them exclusive to the JP version. We'll be missing a good chunk of the roster globally but at least there'll be no anime characters right?
The next game's singular newcomer is Frank West wearing a Chibi Robo costume.
Gaming is saved
Making characters that people want and have wanted for years into a special move for someone else will always be a terrible idea.
i'll get back to you once I've finished processing this
and what about series with both international releases and Japan only?
If he's an Ike Echo, he can come. But if he's going to take a unique Fighter slot, he's out!
I'm not sure why you keep pushing Black Knight as an Ike echo. It's been made very clear that this just can't happen.
It's the best he deserves. I'm equally fine with him not coming at all.
By people who don't get to decide that?
I'm happy for anyone but if Smash specifically gets split into territories I'd be mad even if I don't think the EU or Japan or US rosters are all that significantly different (like 1 unique character each) for Smash everyone the world over should get the same roster.
Yeah, because a guy with armor that rivals the weight of Bowser and walks the speed of Exdeath from Dissidia makes perfect sense as an Echo for Ike.
And their bodyshapes are not similar enough, a hard requirement from Sakurai himself.
When I heard they were rebooting the roster I didn't know they were cutting everyone but Samus...
"Same moves, but slower/stronger" should totally be enough to qualify as an Echo.
Falcondorf is something that would never happen today tbf. Melee era was different
Is he? I know they made him faster and weaker in 4 but I feel like Ultimate reverted him back to being a Glacier somewhat. They barely boosted his speed values compared to everyone else, so he's about as slow relative to the cast as he was in Brawl, and they undid the power nerfs to some of his kit (shoutout to his jab KOing again).
Ironically Dr. Mario could've been one in Melee. But once Smash 4 hit, he got massive stat differences(far more than Ken could have), but also being a Melee veteran, so it's not that surprising he isn't classified as one. He's much more different than the most different Echo. And it's noted that Ken barely counts as one, if only due to it being somewhat arbitrary compared to the others which heavily fit the bill. He's the "original Echo" in Street Fighter. Though if somewhat fair, his differences are still overstated. He still plays quite similarly to Ryu, and is only borderline a regular clone at best. Absolutely could fit either label, though.
I thought Dr. Mario could have been an echo. Heck! From what I know, he was so easy to create in Smash 4 with Mario’s data and even had a similar Final Smash. If only he did not have a different Down B, among other reasons as to why he was no echo, of course! The Down B is probably too trivial of a reason, anyway.
Yeah, Down B didn't matter so much as massive stat changes overall. Ken's stat changes do exist, but they're far less. Him being called the original Echo also plays an obvious role in the designation. Just like Dr. Mario debuting in Melee likely played a role. That, and Dr. Mario isn't known to be a costume during Melee's development like in Smash 4. Which his situation is "a popular veteran was turned back into playable status" whereas Dark Pit and Lucina could've stayed costumes and it would matter a lot less. That said, another factor was they already knew what to do with the Doc and Dark Pit and Lucina had ideas to split them apart. So that helped too. If Dr. Mario wasn't in Melee, he probably would've stayed a costume as is.
I think Pokemon and Fire Emblem are in a similar weird position where something COULD come out before the next Smash does (another FE, possibly in the Switch 2 launch window, and Gen 10), but we have no idea if it'll be too late or not? Because like Greninja got added to Smash 4 when X and Y came out a year before Smash 4 because Sakurai picked from concept art, but Min-Min and Pyra were too late into Ultimate's development, so it kinda feels like it would depend on who tells Sakurai and co. about stuff when?
Well, I did not say much about Melee Dr.Mario and Smash 4 Dr. Mario, comparison wise. In fact, if I recall correctly, even though he got in he had to be built from the ground up due to data for Melee not being compatible with the Wii U and 3DS. Still, I did not say anything about the other reasons why Dr. Mario was not a clone in the end because you already did so, and I think you did a pretty good job explaining it yourself; the one before and this post I quote.
We’re cursed to wander the desert (the same three topics) until we can find an oasis (actual Smash content to discuss)
Give her a sword
At the very least, I know the funny Bombastic Bag Man game pretty much skyrocketed FDC's relevancy. Whether or not this increases Ayumi's chances overall is another story, but I'd like to think Sakurai at least played the remakes of the first two FDC games.
The new game being a breakout success both in Japan and overseas. Even though the games are getting localized, it's still an incredibly niche franchise so I think it's likely that it's audience would have to grow significantly for a roster consideration. I don't think it would need to do crazy numbers mind you but at least be a moderate success that places it in the same range as Xenoblade or Pikmin were previously.
Uh, excuse me, we have a fourth topic too: Whether or not Ultimate Deluxe is possible
