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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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Btw you guys whats your opinion on Porky (Pokey) for smash?
DO you want to see the bossfight again?
Porky outside his mech?
THe mother 2 Mech?
Old man Porky?
An assist trophy?

I think if porky is a boss again it should be either Mother 2 porky infront of the devilsmachine or mother 3 porky in the final cave
Just for that little canon spice!

The old zoo could still be a level tho (albeit with more direct beginnings reffrences!)
Hmm... I think he would a very interesting addition to Smash Bros, none of the less.
I would like to see how they would adapt him to make it work as a fighter, especially on size because he as a boss in Brawl was very big. But y'know, Ridley is there with no problem.
 

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Btw you guys whats your opinion on Porky (Pokey) for smash?
DO you want to see the bossfight again?
Porky outside his mech?
THe mother 2 Mech?
Old man Porky?
An assist trophy?

I think if porky is a boss again it should be either Mother 2 porky infront of the devilsmachine or mother 3 porky in the final cave
Just for that little canon spice!

The old zoo could still be a level tho (albeit with more direct beginnings reffrences!)
Honestly if we got another Earthbound series character Porky wouldn't even be my preferred pick. I'd much rather get Duster.
 

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Btw you guys whats your opinion on Porky (Pokey) for smash?
DO you want to see the bossfight again?
Porky outside his mech?
THe mother 2 Mech?
Old man Porky?
An assist trophy?

I think if porky is a boss again it should be either Mother 2 porky infront of the devilsmachine or mother 3 porky in the final cave
Just for that little canon spice!

The old zoo could still be a level tho (albeit with more direct beginnings reffrences!)
Honestly I don't ever see Earthbound getting more than Ness and Lucas. Maybe I could see Ninten as an echo but nothing else. I think new Earthbound content is only going to be stages and music. It's well represented when it comes to characters and items.

Porky himself is cool, but he always struck me as a character people support more for villain quotas than earnest support.
 

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Honestly if we got another Earthbound series character Porky wouldn't even be my preferred pick. I'd much rather get Duster.
I remember before Lucas was confirmed for Brawl, people wanted his father Flint in. Or both. And Claus of course, who is another extremely solid choice.
 

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I remember before Lucas was confirmed for Brawl, people wanted his father Flint in. Or both. And Claus of course, who is another extremely solid choice.
I remember people specifically asking for "Masked Man" so they didn't spoil the twist.

Granted I think everyone knows the twist now. The game is old enough to vote.
 

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Btw you guys whats your opinion on Porky (Pokey) for smash?
DO you want to see the bossfight again?
Porky outside his mech?
THe mother 2 Mech?
Old man Porky?
An assist trophy?

I think if porky is a boss again it should be either Mother 2 porky infront of the devilsmachine or mother 3 porky in the final cave
Just for that little canon spice!

The old zoo could still be a level tho (albeit with more direct beginnings reffrences!)
I don't think he's particularly likely as a fighter... but dang, his reappearance as a boss with Giygas as a second phase would've been slick.

And if he does become a fighter, it should be the EarthBound/Mother 2 mech
 

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Ive been thinking for a while now that the Smash team should be allowed to use a custom version of the Zelda cast similar to the first Hyrule Warriors. That way there's no discrepancies about which items and moves are allowed for them to use (such as BotW Link not having a Hookshot) leading to a more hollistic overall design. While still giving alts based off the recent game so Champion Link, Echo Zelda, Weebondorf etc. They already do this for characters like Shiek, Roy and Ridley.

Btw you guys whats your opinion on Porky (Pokey) for smash?
DO you want to see the bossfight again?
Porky outside his mech?
THe mother 2 Mech?
Old man Porky?
An assist trophy?

I think if porky is a boss again it should be either Mother 2 porky infront of the devilsmachine or mother 3 porky in the final cave
Just for that little canon spice!

The old zoo could still be a level tho (albeit with more direct beginnings reffrences!)
My most wanted Mother character. His missing boss/spirit was the actual bane of my sanity. I think his Earthbound Mech would work best as a fighter as opposed to the bed mech from 3.
 

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Okay.

I'm starting to feel a little crazy. I'm starting to see a lot of people trying to push Kraid from Metroid as a playable character. Not as some massive character like the Tatsunoko vs Capcom duo, but as just barely taller than Ridley standing up.

This may be hypocritical as I was a huge Ridley supporter and I love him so much, he's my main, but Kraid can't be shrunken down that much.

Kraid is the size of a skyscraper. He's utterly massive. People bring up his appearance in the original Metroid like Ridley fans used to, but I never liked that argument because the designs weren't solidified (and just bizarre). Ridley at lest had appearances his Super Metroid where he wasn't a hulking behemoth and is just much smaller in general. Kraid takes up several screens any time he appears. Am I wrong for thinking Kraid can't be resized? I think the same thing for Andross and Metal Face.
 

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Okay.

I'm starting to feel a little crazy. I'm starting to see a lot of people trying to push Kraid from Metroid as a playable character. Not as some massive character like the Tatsunoko vs Capcom duo, but as just barely taller than Ridley standing up.

This may be hypocritical as I was a huge Ridley supporter and I love him so much, he's my main, but Kraid can't be shrunken down that much.

Kraid is the size of a skyscraper. He's utterly massive. People bring up his appearance in the original Metroid like Ridley fans used to, but I never liked that argument because the designs weren't solidified (and just bizarre). Ridley at lest had appearances his Super Metroid where he wasn't a hulking behemoth and is just much smaller in general. Kraid takes up several screens any time he appears. Am I wrong for thinking Kraid can't be resized? I think the same thing for Andross and Metal Face.
Kraid would be a very strange addition in general since the character wasn't really designed to be moving around. Kraid being a kaiju that you have to platform around is also more a part of his identity than it was for Ridley, who was more about being a brutal and cunning leader who was also a hecking dragon. I also don't think he'd be all that interesting a character since he's pretty much just a mindless beast, which is technically a unique trait for a Smash character, but it's not a very deep one.

As far a scaling goes, it might give off MvC3 MODOK vibes, but you could do it. Should you do it is an entirely different question. I wouldn't do it, but I also don't really care about the character either and haven't really put enough thought into it do give it a fair shake so I dunno. It does kinda give off "let's add Pidgey" vibes; Fun to think about for a few seconds, but not actually a good idea.
 

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Kraid would be a very strange addition in general since the character wasn't really designed to be moving around. Kraid being a kaiju that you have to platform around is also more a part of his identity than it was for Ridley, who was more about being a brutal and cunning leader who was also a hecking dragon. I also don't think he'd be all that interesting a character since he's pretty much just a mindless beast, which is technically a unique trait for a Smash character, but it's not a very deep one.

As far a scaling goes, it might give off MvC3 MODOK vibes, but you could do it. Should you do it is an entirely different question. I wouldn't do it, but I also don't really care about the character either and haven't really put enough thought into it do give it a fair shake so I dunno. It does kinda give off "let's add Pidgey" vibes; Fun to think about for a few seconds, but not actually a good idea.
And speaking of MODOK, if we're going for an unconventional boss character, I'd rather they turn Mother Brain into a Smash version of MODOK. Put her in a mobile capsule with cannons and rinka launchers and let her fire her one beam move from Zero Mission. Then use the bipedal form from Super as the Final Smash.
 

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Okay.

I'm starting to feel a little crazy. I'm starting to see a lot of people trying to push Kraid from Metroid as a playable character. Not as some massive character like the Tatsunoko vs Capcom duo, but as just barely taller than Ridley standing up.

This may be hypocritical as I was a huge Ridley supporter and I love him so much, he's my main, but Kraid can't be shrunken down that much.

Kraid is the size of a skyscraper. He's utterly massive. People bring up his appearance in the original Metroid like Ridley fans used to, but I never liked that argument because the designs weren't solidified (and just bizarre). Ridley at lest had appearances his Super Metroid where he wasn't a hulking behemoth and is just much smaller in general. Kraid takes up several screens any time he appears. Am I wrong for thinking Kraid can't be resized? I think the same thing for Andross and Metal Face.
I thought the reason whenever he got brought up was because of Fake Kraid, the one that is pretty much small Kraid and is more appropriate-sized. Like most of those who I see bring up Kraid often bring up the smaller Fake Kraid.

Though I agree that with Kraid's size being set in stone with Dread, not to mention his lack of popularity compared to Ridley, he's not getting resized anytime soon. Metal Face is not getting resized anytime soon either, especially when Metal Face is the Mecha and his true form is human/cyborg, so if Metal Face ever became playable, it will be as Mumkhar. And there are a ton of Xenoblade characters getting in before he does.
Andross is the only one that I feel could potentially happen and that somewhat depends on future games. I mean, he did get a model in Star Fox Zero that is somewhat more realisable compared to his basic head and hands look, even if it's just a model.

Andross is probably not anywhere close to playable status in Smash Bros., especially with Krystal being the biggest Star Fox frontrunner in terms of fan demand, but I wouldn't say he's impossible.
 
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I thought the reason whenever he got brought up was because of Fake Kraid, the one that is pretty much small Kraid and is more appropriate-sized. Like most of those who I see bring up Kraid often bring up the smaller Fake Kraid.
Yeah, but no one is ever arguing for Fake Kraid or Mini Kraid. They always want the big boy himself, Kraid.

Andross is the only one that I feel could potentially happen and that somewhat depends on future games. I mean, he did get a model in Star Fox Zero that is somewhat more realisable compared to his basic head and hands look.

Andross is probably not anywhere close to playable status in Smash Bros., especially with Krystal being the biggest Star Fox frontrunner in terms of fan demand, but I wouldn't say he's impossible.
I do like the design, but I can't earnestly support it unless it actually appears in a game. We've never seen this thing in action. It's only this shot.
 

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And speaking of MODOK, if we're going for an unconventional boss character, I'd rather they turn Mother Brain into a Smash version of MODOK. Put her in a mobile capsule with cannons and rinka launchers and let her fire her one beam move from Zero Mission. Then use the bipedal form from Super as the Final Smash.
That makes sense. If you're gonna go out there, go out there. I wouldn't do Mother Brain though. Once the joke of "lol floating brain in a jar in a mech" wears off, you're stuck with...well a floating brain in a jar that can't even emote. I'd prefer something with a personality that would have an appeal beyond the strangeness of the pick itself.
 

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Full bodied Mother Brain from the ending of Super Metroid would be pretty cool even just as a boss.
Kraid, though... Yeah I like him a lot but you can't really compare him to Ridley. Ridley isn't that big, and his fights are usually "rival" battles where he's very mobile and fights you with a variety of techniques in close 1-vs-1s. Meanwhile Kraid usually fills multiple screens and he pretty much just stands still and shoots spikes at you. Ridley just translates way more naturally to a playable role.
I feel like Kraid's current role is perfect for the character.
Fake Kraid is a fake. Nobody wants to play as a faker.

And also, honestly, the future of Metroid villains in Smash, give or take a decloned Dark Samus, are clearly Raven Beak and Sylux. Both of them are going to be important and are extremely Smash-friendly.

About Porky...
Porky would be amazing. He's one of my dream characters. I'd put him in the Mother 2 mech, also giving him attacks from the Mother 3 mech. Final Smash would be Giygas.
He's one of my favorite villains in gaming, he's a very well-written character and he'd have unique abilities. Plus you could use him to bring in Giygas too, the Giygas fight is extremely iconic. And he can be a rival to both Ness and Lucas.
Can't really see him happen, but he'd fit in very well.
He has a tiiiiiny chance I think, the Mother series is as popular as ever and always gets rereleased on every Nintendo console (well, aside from... you know...), and Porky himself already had an important role in Brawl too, and also Brawl nostalgia is now at its peak and fans love their villains. I don't think he'd be a particularly outlandish inclusion all things considered. It's just that Smash now has way bigger fish to fry.
 
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Okay.

I'm starting to feel a little crazy. I'm starting to see a lot of people trying to push Kraid from Metroid as a playable character. Not as some massive character like the Tatsunoko vs Capcom duo, but as just barely taller than Ridley standing up.

This may be hypocritical as I was a huge Ridley supporter and I love him so much, he's my main, but Kraid can't be shrunken down that much.

Kraid is the size of a skyscraper. He's utterly massive. People bring up his appearance in the original Metroid like Ridley fans used to, but I never liked that argument because the designs weren't solidified (and just bizarre). Ridley at lest had appearances his Super Metroid where he wasn't a hulking behemoth and is just much smaller in general. Kraid takes up several screens any time he appears. Am I wrong for thinking Kraid can't be resized? I think the same thing for Andross and Metal Face.
I wouldn't say it's hypocritical as the characters are defined by different things. As said before, Ridley's defined by being a cruel and cunning leader who happens to also be a space dragon, and his fights generally play around with his firepower, Xenomorph tail, and his mobility like his flight. His size is not a core aspect to him, and he's not needed to be gargantuan to convey it. Kraid is defined by his kaiju-like size, Super, ZM, Dread, and even Prime before he was cut, all have him as a huge beast that you have to figure out how to get around his size so you can topple him. It's not something that fluctuates and changes according to the fight, it's a core identity to the character that has defined him and has been entirely consistent since Super revamped the character.
 

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Okay now for a diffrent Boss:
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What about Kracko? Unlike whispy kracko is pretty absent from smash only appearing as a trophy/ spirit!
So how should he be included?

A Kracko stage?
A Playable character?
A Boss?
Or an assist trophy?

Kracko is pretty similar to the koopalings in that hes a very important part of the kirby series appearing in almost every game! (alongside Whispy)
Hes also recieved some characterization via pause screen descriptions! Hes also canonically a sky god basically he can appear wherever theres sky!

I personnaly think hes a decent choice for a sixth kirby character personnaly!

I hope he gets a playable role in a kirby game atleast!
 

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Kraid is the size of a skyscraper. He's utterly massive. People bring up his appearance in the original Metroid like Ridley fans used to, but I never liked that argument because the designs weren't solidified (and just bizarre). Ridley at lest had appearances his Super Metroid where he wasn't a hulking behemoth and is just much smaller in general. Kraid takes up several screens any time he appears. Am I wrong for thinking Kraid can't be resized?
Technically, Metroid 1 Kraid is basically the same size as Metroid 1 Ridley. Which is barely any taller than Samus.

But I agree that we shouldn't be shrinking down massive Bosses just to make them into Fighters. They should just be Bosses in Smash.
 

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:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultrosalina::ultdaisy::ultdoc: :ultyoshi::ultwario:+ Toad + Geno + Waluigi

Yoshi and Wario here for convenience and no newcomers on their part, can't justify them

Note: wanted to cut Dr.Mario, but couldn't as am keeping similar characters on the roster.



:ultdk::ultdiddy::ultkrool: + Dixie Kong + Cranky Kong + Funky Kong (Echo, but a very unique one)



:ultlink::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ulttoonlink: + Impa + Ganon

Ganondorf and Zelda both getting reworked to fit their roles in TotK for Ganondorf, and Zelda a mix of TotK and Echoes of Wisdom. Link is slightly reworked too.



:ultpikachu::ultcharizard::ultmewtwo::ultjigglypuff::ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultincineroar: + Garchomp

I'd love to include Pichu but I cannot am afraid



:ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede: + Bandana Dee + Galactia Knight (Echo / clone but slower and a longer weapon)



:ultmarth::ultlucina::ultike::ultroy::ultchrom::ultrobin::ultbyleth: + Alear (and Sigurd most prominently) + Lyn

Note: Lucina and Chrom return with a new moveset that's still based on Marth sort of, but are now Echoes of each other



:ultsamus::ultzss::ultdarksamus::ultridley: + either Raven Beak or Sylux. Dark Samus is now a semi clone.



:ultfox::ultfalco::ultwolf: + Slippy Toad (Falco Echo / Isabelle type clone, but a weird one, joke character)



:ultshulk::ultpyra::ultmythra: + Noah + Mio as Echo of Noah



:ultness::ultlucas: and I'd really like to include a newcomer but I can't justify it.



:ultvillager::ultisabelle: + Tom Nook, I guess (huge series, deserves a newcomer)



:ultinkling: + Octoling , who's not a Echo but definitely not unique either



:ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultpalutena:



Standalone series:

:ultlittlemac::ultgnw::ultolimar::ultduckhunt::ultfalcon::ultrob::ultminmin (guess an Olimar Echo of choice is in order here too, Alph and others come to mind) + Takamaru + Isaac (Felix and Matthew as Echo) + Ring Fit Trainer



3rd party terain



:ultsonic: + Knuckles + Tails or Eggman



:ultcloud::ultsephiroth::ulthero:



:ultkazuya: + Heiachi as clone without the devil gimmick stuff



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:ultpacman::ultmegaman:



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:ultsnake::ultsimon::ultrichter: + Alucard + Big Boss or any other Snake Echo



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:ultryu::ultken: + Chun Lee + Akuma as a sort of clone of Ryu
My personal roster for a next Smash. DLC not yet included. Thoughts ?
 

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Okay.

I'm starting to feel a little crazy. I'm starting to see a lot of people trying to push Kraid from Metroid as a playable character. Not as some massive character like the Tatsunoko vs Capcom duo, but as just barely taller than Ridley standing up.

This may be hypocritical as I was a huge Ridley supporter and I love him so much, he's my main, but Kraid can't be shrunken down that much.

Kraid is the size of a skyscraper. He's utterly massive. People bring up his appearance in the original Metroid like Ridley fans used to, but I never liked that argument because the designs weren't solidified (and just bizarre). Ridley at lest had appearances his Super Metroid where he wasn't a hulking behemoth and is just much smaller in general. Kraid takes up several screens any time he appears. Am I wrong for thinking Kraid can't be resized? I think the same thing for Andross and Metal Face.
how about two ridleys in a long coat pretending to be kraid?
 

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My personal roster for a next Smash. DLC not yet included. Thoughts ?
I think there’s too many characters and too many changes. Four Street Fighter characters is too many, as well as three Metal Gear characters. Actually just too many third parties in general.

Echo Fighters are meant to have a similar physique as the original fighter. I don’t like Mio being submitted in this way. There are other choices for other Xeno-clones, such as Alvis for Shulk’s echo, or N for Noah’s echo.

I don’t see Star Fox getting a new character. Six DK characters is taking it too far. Even I have to a draw a line with 11 Mario characters in the base game.
 

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My personal roster for a next Smash. DLC not yet included. Thoughts ?
I think wanting all those franchises to get multiple new characters each is excessive. 1 Fighter + 1 Echo for any given franchise is probably the limit.

And your 3P representation sucks. Unless you're expecting the DLC to be almost all 3P again.

Four Street Fighter characters is too many, as well as three Metal Gear characters. Actually just too many third parties in general.
Ass-backwards.
 
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My personal roster for a next Smash. DLC not yet included. Thoughts ?
24ish newcomers is not at all realistic, but it is fun, and you have some interesting picks.

Echo Fighters are meant to have a similar physique as the original fighter. I don’t like Mio being submitted in this way.
I don't think this is an issue since they're similar enough to share animations in the source material. My issue would more be the fact that she doesn't use her own class, or you'd have to use some sort of gimmick to make her use her own class, which makes her her own character or the pair of them are two characters in a trenchcoat or something like that, which makes her as an Echo Fighter pointless.

If they somehow both ended up on the roster as separate characters, it would be pretty fun for them to be able to moveset swap with each other though.
 

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Yeah, but no one is ever arguing for Fake Kraid or Mini Kraid. They always want the big boy himself, Kraid.


I do like the design, but I can't earnestly support it unless it actually appears in a game. We've never seen this thing in action. It's only this shot.

And I keep having to point this out, but the model is STILL just the head and hands.
There is nothing underneath.

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One can be similar enough in the source material by retooling their skeleton. That's how Young Link, who blatantly isn't the same bodyshape, could use the same moves in Melee. Either their models are almost identical, or they're not. Sharing animations isn't enough in itself to count. You gotta compare their overall models. How much does their model itself overlap? Is the difference mostly a bit of armor or muscles? Arm and Leg length do matter, as shown by Animal Crossing alone(Yes, we've seen Isabelle's model put over Villager in Smash 4. It looked godawful because they simply were too different. They do share a fair amount of animations even then, though it was somewhat by accident due to them using similar conceptual moves according to the interviews. Hence the confusion of her being a semi-clone or echo in the leaks).

You'd be surprised how many characters share a near identical model shape while being quite different(ARMS is a fun one about it, and the only reason why people could even minorly see some alt characters. Obviously this isn't enough either for a costume, as personality has to matter too. That is, if said first costume has any personality(poor Pikmin & Captain simply doesn't... which is the reason Alph works fine as of now)).
 
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I know I’m beating a dead horse myself but I wanted to see other people’s responses bro the question presented by this tweet. New character emblems for life btw
Which do you think would work better for an Engage gimmick for Alear's moveset? Retooling Veterans that would otherwise be cut (Lucina, Roy, Corrin) or an entirely new set of Emblem Rings to switch between? (Sigurd, Lyn, Celica)

I suggested the retooling idea ages ago and it was met with much backlash lol I dunno I'd actually be okay with it.
 

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Which do you think would work better for an Engage gimmick for Alear's moveset? Retooling Veterans that would otherwise be cut (Lucina, Roy, Corrin) or an entirely new set of Emblem Rings to switch between? (Sigurd, Lyn, Celica)

I suggested the retooling idea ages ago and it was met with much backlash lol I dunno I'd actually be okay with it.
I mean new Rings that haven't been characters before probably works better because there's always that chance that those veterans come back like Roy did in 4 lol
 
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Which do you think would work better for an Engage gimmick for Alear's moveset? Retooling Veterans that would otherwise be cut (Lucina, Roy, Corrin) or an entirely new set of Emblem Rings to switch between? (Sigurd, Lyn, Celica)

I suggested the retooling idea ages ago and it was met with much backlash lol I dunno I'd actually be okay with it.
my unpopular opinion regarding FE is that I'd cut the roster to :ultmarth:( :ultlucina: alt) :ultcorrin::ultbyleth::ultrobin:and add Lyn so regarding Alear I'd go with all new Emblem Rings (Sigurd, Celica, etc.)
 

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I know I’m beating a dead horse myself but I wanted to see other people’s responses bro the question presented by this tweet. New character emblems for life btw
People who like Ike are not going to pick the toothpaste vtuber. It's a lose lose situation. Your favorite FE character gets cut and the only way to play is by picking the dumbest looking character in the roster. Meanwhile Alear is denied a unique moveset to be a bargain bin of cut veterans.

If Alear needs Emblems let them be based off Lords who aren't in Smash.
 

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I know I’m beating a dead horse myself but I wanted to see other people’s responses bro the question presented by this tweet. New character emblems for life btw
i'd suggest retooling byleth and then worry about everyone else
 
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My personal roster for a next Smash. DLC not yet included. Thoughts ?
Overall, I liked the roster, and here are things that I like and what I wished was on there:

Like: You didn’t throw away the echoes unlike some proposed rosters, and I like the newcomer selection overall. You have some major additions like Waluigi, Bandana Waddle Dee, Tom Nook, and Octoling in addition to some curveballs like Cranky Kong and Garchomp. Also, your roster has Isaac, who is one of my most wanted fighters.

What I would have liked to see: I wished that the Ice Climbers and Pokemon Trainer were not cut. While Ice Climbers are from an obscure, roughly 40 year old game, and Ivysaur and Squirtle would obviously be cut had Pokemon Trainer’s pokemon been always separate, I think both fighters contribute something valuable in terms of gameplay, and I feel like Pokemon Trainer also represents multiple aspects of pokemon really well.
 

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Which do you think would work better for an Engage gimmick for Alear's moveset? Retooling Veterans that would otherwise be cut (Lucina, Roy, Corrin) or an entirely new set of Emblem Rings to switch between? (Sigurd, Lyn, Celica)

I suggested the retooling idea ages ago & it was met with much backlash lol I dunno I'd actually be okay with it.
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Both please
 

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But even with both someone's entire character becomes a move ... I understand why this idea is so polarized (not even really I think it's about 18 percent in favor of using on vets in the Twitter poll)
 

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Alear already has an uphill battle, with a polarizing design and a game that isn't as popular as the others.

Alear taking vets and putting them in her moveset may make them the most unpopular character on the roster.
 

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Alear already has an uphill battle, with a polarizing design and a game that isn't as popular as the others.

Alear taking vets and putting them in her moveset may make them the most unpopular character on the roster.
Similarly, I think Alear using a character as popular as Lyn as an assist would be kind of insulting to the people who have advocated for her for the last 15 years.

I really just don’t think this is a good idea no matter what, unless they are characters that are far flung from any serious conversation. Certainly even worse for returning veterans, like holy crap that would go over horribly.
 
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Even aside from making them unpopular, Alear has plenty of emblems to make a moveset with depending on what part they have to play in their kit. Just using ones that aren't in Smash already, you have Celica, Sigurd, Leif, Eirika/Ephraim, Lyn, and Micaiah, and that's not even including DLC bracelet Emblems like Camilla, Veronica, Soren, etc.

They have plenty to work with without retooling veterans.
 
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