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So have Toy Zelda instead, with her rod in the latest Zelda game.I don’t really want a fourth Link in Smash. The only other Link I’d be excited for is Wolf Link paired with Midna like in Hyrule Warriors.
or we could just give them a pretty straight forward move set with the legion appearing for certain attacksYeah, I beat Astral Chain and thought the gameplay was a ton of fun but the combat mechanics would be tricky to translate into Smash. I’m sure they’d find a way to simplify it but I’m not sure the best way while still keeping the general concept and feel of the combat. It gets even more complicated if you start adding all the different kinds of Legions beyond the starting sword Legion. I do like your ideas though and they seem like they’d work well.
If, for some reason, they can’t make the Legion system work for Smash and they still wanted an Astral Chain character, I’d love to see Jenna Anderson instead. I just love her design and her combat isn’t as complex. I’d prefer both Officer Howard and Jenna though.
octoroksSometimes I wonder who you support that isn’t Toy Link
Yeah that could work too. Not really as exciting as the puppet mechanic but it works.or we could just give them a pretty straight forward move set with the legion appearing for certain attacks
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Yeah I’d love that. I’d want them to go a step further than BotW or TotK and actually have the alt be the actual alternate Link and not just BotW Link in their outfit but I’d take either.Like I said, why not give BotW Link all of his different adult incarnations' outfits as alternates? Since BotW Link does have outfits of all the different Links, including Toy Link(no matter how cursed it looks), in his games.
I feel like the general consensus would be Charizard, Lucario, and Greninja, with Mewtwo slightly behind. I doubt there would be a ton of support for Jigglypuff, Squirtle, or Ivysaur and Incineroar would be somewhere in the middle. As for me personally, my most wanted Pokemon wouldn’t change because none of my absolute favorites are in yet. Lucario’s a top five for his typing and I like the others too but they’re not at the very top of my list.I have a bit of an interesting question for you guys, to gauge something I've been thinking about for a bit now.
If you can, try to imagine none of the Pokemon in Smash made it into the series except Pikachu... which of them do you think would have the most vocal fan support today? Who would you personally still want, even after their Generation has come and gone?
By default I assume prominent Gen 1 Pokemon like Charizard and Mewtwo would still have a following. Maybe a controversial take, but I think Mewtwo support would be a little stronger. While Charizard is demonstrably more popular in the general public, I feel like the power fantasy of a legendary Pokemon and a more sinister, mysterious kind of Pokemon would be more enticing. Charizard would moreso "make sense" and you'd have people suggesting it could show up at any point, but others may see it like if it was going to be added, it would have been already. Whereas I could see Mewtwo developing a Ridley-esque cult following blossoming into a strong, vocal support base.
It's hard for me to say for Lucario or Greninja. They're still popular, but I wonder if the community would have kinda moved on after their time in the sun and figured they missed their chance. I do think the Kalos focus for the next Legends game at least puts Greninja back in people's mouths. But generally with these kind of movie / starter Pokemon we figure they just unfortunately missed their chance. It's also hard to say how much Smash influenced their popularity overall, and what the future of the characters looks like without it.
I dunno, just thought it's an interesting talking point. With how difficult it is to slim down this lineup of characters as well, I kind of want to know which ones are actually the most popular and who would be the most missed / desired. I think I'd still want to see Mewtwo, someone from the Bulbasaur line and maybe Greninja if I had never seen them in Smash yet. I'd like to say Incin but it really is the execution that sold me on him.
EVERYONE wonders why they aren't in:I have a bit of an interesting question for you guys, to gauge something I've been thinking about for a bit now.
If you can, try to imagine none of the Pokemon in Smash made it into the series except Pikachu... which of them do you think would have the most vocal fan support today? Who would you personally still want, even after their Generation has come and gone?
By default I assume prominent Gen 1 Pokemon like Charizard and Mewtwo would still have a following. Maybe a controversial take, but I think Mewtwo support would be a little stronger. While Charizard is demonstrably more popular in the general public, I feel like the power fantasy of a legendary Pokemon and a more sinister, mysterious kind of Pokemon would be more enticing. Charizard would moreso "make sense" and you'd have people suggesting it could show up at any point, but others may see it like if it was going to be added, it would have been already. Whereas I could see Mewtwo developing a Ridley-esque cult following blossoming into a strong, vocal support base.
It's hard for me to say for Lucario or Greninja. They're still popular, but I wonder if the community would have kinda moved on after their time in the sun and figured they missed their chance. I do think the Kalos focus for the next Legends game at least puts Greninja back in people's mouths. But generally with these kind of movie / starter Pokemon we figure they just unfortunately missed out. It's also hard to say how much Smash influenced their popularity overall, and what the future of the characters looks like without it.
I dunno, just thought it's an interesting talking point. With how difficult it is to slim down this lineup of characters as well, I kind of want to know which ones are actually the most popular and who would be the most missed / desired. I think I'd still want to see Mewtwo, someone from the Bulbasaur line and maybe Greninja if I had never seen them in Smash yet. I'd like to say Incin but it really is the execution that sold me on him.
The reason everyone expects a starter Pokémon every Smash game is because that’s the precedent that was set. If we lived in a world where that never happened, Pokemon support would look very different. It’d probably fall in line with how fans of other franchises support their characters.I have a bit of an interesting question for you guys, to gauge something I've been thinking about for a bit now.
If you can, try to imagine none of the Pokemon in Smash made it into the series except Pikachu... which of them do you think would have the most vocal fan support today? Who would you personally still want, even after their Generation has come and gone?
By default I assume prominent Gen 1 Pokemon like Charizard and Mewtwo would still have a following. Maybe a controversial take, but I think Mewtwo support would be a little stronger. While Charizard is demonstrably more popular in the general public, I feel like the power fantasy of a legendary Pokemon and a more sinister, mysterious kind of Pokemon would be more enticing. Charizard would moreso "make sense" and you'd have people suggesting it could show up at any point, but others may see it like if it was going to be added, it would have been already. Whereas I could see Mewtwo developing a Ridley-esque cult following blossoming into a strong, vocal support base.
It's hard for me to say for Lucario or Greninja. They're still popular, but I wonder if the community would have kinda moved on after their time in the sun and figured they missed their chance. I do think the Kalos focus for the next Legends game at least puts Greninja back in people's mouths. But generally with these kind of movie / starter Pokemon we figure they just unfortunately missed out. It's also hard to say how much Smash influenced their popularity overall, and what the future of the characters looks like without it. Gen 1 kinda gets a pass for obvious reasons.
I dunno, just thought it's an interesting talking point. With how difficult it is to slim down this lineup of characters as well, I kind of want to know which ones are actually the most popular and who would be the most missed / desired. I think I'd still want to see Mewtwo, someone from the Bulbasaur line and maybe Greninja if I had never seen them in Smash yet. I'd like to say Incin but it really is the execution that sold me on him.
For what it's worth, I assumed the ones missing would more or less be replaced by different Pokemon less so than Pikachu would be the only character. But yes, if that was the case I'm sure people would be very, very confused and frustrated LOL. Unless we'd have assumed at that point that they're only allowing Smash to use Pikachu, for whatever reason.. I think that would have developed as a popular theory. I suppose if we did have a totally different crop of Pokemon our expectations would be warped to whatever pattern those followed as well.First of all we’d all think it was ridiculous that a series as big as Pokemon still only had one character.
Charizard and Lucario would be getting the most push guaranted. Greninja might have a following, but it'd admittedly pale in comparison to those two.I have a bit of an interesting question for you guys, to gauge something I've been thinking about for a bit now.
If you can, try to imagine none of the Pokemon in Smash made it into the series except Pikachu... which of them do you think would have the most vocal fan support today? Who would you personally still want, even after their Generation has come and gone?
I think there's a chance Incin would have stayed a speculated character. In VGC, the official competitive format, Incineroar has been obnoxiously dominant since practically day 1. Not only have they refused to nerf it, it's gotten buffs every time it comes back. This would make Incineroar a VGC rep alongside a Gen 7 rep, which would give him a leg up on most legacy Pokemon choices (and I think makes his return likelier in actual Smash)I have a bit of an interesting question for you guys, to gauge something I've been thinking about for a bit now.
If you can, try to imagine none of the Pokemon in Smash made it into the series except Pikachu... which of them do you think would have the most vocal fan support today? Who would you personally still want, even after their Generation has come and gone?
By default I assume prominent Gen 1 Pokemon like Charizard and Mewtwo would still have a following. Maybe a controversial take, but I think Mewtwo support would be a little stronger. While Charizard is demonstrably more popular in the general public, I feel like the power fantasy of a legendary Pokemon and a more sinister, mysterious kind of Pokemon would be more enticing. Charizard would moreso "make sense" and you'd have people suggesting it could show up at any point, but others may see it like if it was going to be added, it would have been already. Whereas I could see Mewtwo developing a Ridley-esque cult following blossoming into a strong, vocal support base.
It's hard for me to say for Lucario or Greninja. They're still popular, but I wonder if the community would have kinda moved on after their time in the sun and figured they missed their chance. I do think the Kalos focus for the next Legends game at least puts Greninja back in people's mouths. But generally with these kind of movie / starter Pokemon we figure they just unfortunately missed out. It's also hard to say how much Smash influenced their popularity overall, and what the future of the characters looks like without it. Gen 1 kinda gets a pass for obvious reasons.
I dunno, just thought it's an interesting talking point. With how difficult it is to slim down this lineup of characters as well, I kind of want to know which ones are actually the most popular and who would be the most missed / desired. I think I'd still want to see Mewtwo, someone from the Bulbasaur line and maybe Greninja if I had never seen them in Smash yet. I'd like to say Incin but it really is the execution that sold me on him.
In this alternate world where Incineroar never got into Smash but was still a beast in competitive, he’d probably be a meme pick. People support him ironically because it’d be funny, which eventually turns into completely unironic love for the character.I think there's a chance Incin would have stayed a speculated character. In VGC, the official competitive format, Incineroar has been obnoxiously dominant since practically day 1. Not only have they refused to nerf it, it's gotten buffs every time it comes back. This would make Incineroar a VGC rep alongside a Gen 7 rep, which would give him a leg up on most legacy Pokemon choices (and I think makes his return likelier in actual Smash)
If only they chose Landorus Therian, who also represents Smogon OU. Alas...
why would being a VGC rep give him a leg up on the other legacy PokemonI think there's a chance Incin would have stayed a speculated character. In VGC, the official competitive format, Incineroar has been obnoxiously dominant since practically day 1. Not only have they refused to nerf it, it's gotten buffs every time it comes back. This would make Incineroar a VGC rep alongside a Gen 7 rep, which would give him a leg up on most legacy Pokemon choices (and I think makes his return likelier in actual Smash)
If only they chose Landorus Therian, who also represents Smogon OU. Alas...
Charizard and Lucario would still be heavily demanded. They've been among the most popular and promoted Pokemon since their debuts and I'd imagine that would be the same even without Smash.I have a bit of an interesting question for you guys, to gauge something I've been thinking about for a bit now.
If you can, try to imagine none of the Pokemon in Smash made it into the series except Pikachu... which of them do you think would have the most vocal fan support today? Who would you personally still want, even after their Generation has come and gone?
By default I assume prominent Gen 1 Pokemon like Charizard and Mewtwo would still have a following. Maybe a controversial take, but I think Mewtwo support would be a little stronger. While Charizard is demonstrably more popular in the general public, I feel like the power fantasy of a legendary Pokemon and a more sinister, mysterious kind of Pokemon would be more enticing. Charizard would moreso "make sense" and you'd have people suggesting it could show up at any point, but others may see it like if it was going to be added, it would have been already. Whereas I could see Mewtwo developing a Ridley-esque cult following blossoming into a strong, vocal support base.
It's hard for me to say for Lucario or Greninja. They're still popular, but I wonder if the community would have kinda moved on after their time in the sun and figured they missed their chance. I do think the Kalos focus for the next Legends game at least puts Greninja back in people's mouths. But generally with these kind of movie / starter Pokemon we figure they just unfortunately missed out. It's also hard to say how much Smash influenced their popularity overall, and what the future of the characters looks like without it. Gen 1 kinda gets a pass for obvious reasons.
I dunno, just thought it's an interesting talking point. With how difficult it is to slim down this lineup of characters as well, I kind of want to know which ones are actually the most popular and who would be the most missed / desired. I think I'd still want to see Mewtwo, someone from the Bulbasaur line and maybe Greninja if I had never seen them in Smash yet. I'd like to say Incin but it really is the execution that sold me on him.
Memes about how "VGC isn't challenging enough" so he'd join Smash for more of a fight.In this alternate world where Incineroar never got into Smash but was still a beast in competitive, he’d probably be a meme pick. People support him ironically because it’d be funny, which eventually turns into completely unironic love for the character.
There would also be the Incineroar fans who were unironic from the start, but y’know.
Little did the poor heel wrestler know that he was about to get clapped because he was a heavyweight.Memes about how "VGC isn't challenging enough" so he'd join Smash for more of a fight.
Charizard would be a request to rival the likes of Wario and Diddy Kong. Assuming people weren't resigned to his role as a Pokeball Pokemon.I have a bit of an interesting question for you guys, to gauge something I've been thinking about for a bit now.
If you can, try to imagine none of the Pokemon in Smash made it into the series except Pikachu... which of them do you think would have the most vocal fan support today? Who would you personally still want, even after their Generation has come and gone?
By default I assume prominent Gen 1 Pokemon like Charizard and Mewtwo would still have a following. Maybe a controversial take, but I think Mewtwo support would be a little stronger. While Charizard is demonstrably more popular in the general public, I feel like the power fantasy of a legendary Pokemon and a more sinister, mysterious kind of Pokemon would be more enticing. Charizard would moreso "make sense" and you'd have people suggesting it could show up at any point, but others may see it like if it was going to be added, it would have been already. Whereas I could see Mewtwo developing a Ridley-esque cult following blossoming into a strong, vocal support base.
It's hard for me to say for Lucario or Greninja. They're still popular, but I wonder if the community would have kinda moved on after their time in the sun and figured they missed their chance. I do think the Kalos focus for the next Legends game at least puts Greninja back in people's mouths. But generally with these kind of movie / starter Pokemon we figure they just unfortunately missed out. It's also hard to say how much Smash influenced their popularity overall, and what the future of the characters looks like without it. Gen 1 kinda gets a pass for obvious reasons.
I dunno, just thought it's an interesting talking point. With how difficult it is to slim down this lineup of characters as well, I kind of want to know which ones are actually the most popular and who would be the most missed / desired. I think I'd still want to see Mewtwo, someone from the Bulbasaur line and maybe Greninja if I had never seen them in Smash yet. I'd like to say Incin but it really is the execution that sold me on him.
Little did the poor heel wrestler know that he was about to get clapped because he was a heavyweight.
I was thinking about that, too. But I guess in this hypothetical, Ridley still gets in Ult? Which probably fixes this issue for Charizard. But yeah, that would probably get used to explain Charizard's exclusion.I forgot to mention. Charizard would be hit with the "too big" comments as well. "Charizard's true size," was a big point of discussion back then. The Zard we have now was seen as puny.
Would he? I know Charizard is generally perceived as bigger than it actually is, but I feel like Smash fans are nerdy enough to know that it's only 5' 7''. Bowser's bigger than that in a lot of cases, even excluding games where he's randomly the size of a tall building.I forgot to mention. Charizard would be hit with the "too big" comments as well. "Charizard's true size," was a big point of discussion back then. The Zard we have now was seen as puny.
Because it's the face of something that TPC has been heavily promoting and generates a lot of money. That's more than anything but Eevee can saywhy would being a VGC rep give him a leg up on the other legacy Pokemon
Which is ironic as that only applies when compared to Pikachu directly, who is far larger than it should be in comparison to say, Mario.I forgot to mention. Charizard would be hit with the "too big" comments as well. "Charizard's true size," was a big point of discussion back then. The Zard we have now was seen as puny.
Implying mice shouldn’t be the size of small childrenWhich is ironic as that only applies when compared to Pikachu directly, who is far larger than it should be in comparison to say, Mario.
that sounds like an exaggerationBecause it's the face of something that TPC has been heavily promoting and generates a lot of money. That's more than anything but Eevee can say
If a mouse is child size, that isn't a mouse.
Keep in mind. Most people's perception of Charizard came from the 3D games and the anime. He certainly doesn't look 5'7" in those.Would he? I know Charizard is generally perceived as bigger than it actually is, but I feel like Smash fans are nerdy enough to know that it's only 5' 7''. Bowser's bigger than that in a lot of cases, even excluding games where he's randomly the size of a tall building.
It would be amusing to see people talking about how Charizard is too big for Smash when it's canonically shorter than me. lol
Pichu is labeled as a "Tiny Mouse Pokemon" when its height is literally 1 foot.Implying mice shouldn’t be the size of small children
Would have to be the anime, since even in like Stadium Charizard doesn't look that big unless again, compared to to tiny Pikachu.Keep in mind. Most people's perception of Charizard came from the 3D games and the anime. He certainly doesn't look 5'7" in those.
: "I dunno. I've never seen one that small."Pichu is labeled as a "Tiny Mouse Pokemon" when its height is literally 1 foot.
How big are the mice you see when 1 foot is tiny for mouse standards?
That's true. The Pokémon is routinely shown as much larger in the anime. Funny enough, they did it to Lucario too. That one's 3' 11''.Keep in mind. Most people's perception of Charizard came from the 3D games and the anime. He certainly doesn't look 5'7" in those.
1' 4'' apparently.Pichu is labeled as a "Tiny Mouse Pokemon" when its height is literally 1 foot.
How big are the mice you see when 1 foot is tiny for mouse standards?
Pikachu is barely taller than Pichu in the first place, it's Raichu I'm concerned about:Why in the frick is Pichu as tall as Pikachu?
It is weird to get nostalgic for not that long ago stuff that happened when i was an adult?and we enjoyed it but it was after the nostalgia zone for a lot of us