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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Wonder Smash

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I just want to reply to this too to see which ones of these that my most MWs fit.

This got me curious, so I tallied what third parties have in terms of a relationship with Nintendo.

Honorary Nintendo Character:
:ultsimon::ultmegaman::ultbanjokazooie::ulthero3::ulthero4::ultbayonetta:
Multiplat that Includes Nintendo:
:ultryu::ultken::ultsteve::ultrichter::ulthero2::ulthero:
Known for Playstation but Often on Nintendo:
:ultsora::ultsnake:
Primarily Playstation:
:ultjoker::ultkazuya:
Known For Not Being on Nintendo:
:ultsonic::ultcloud::ultsephiroth::ult_terry:
It is worth noting, all of these characters have some games on Nintendo Systems. I love everyone, if you disagree, fair. Personally, I am very comfortable with Smash being a celebration of gaming as a whole instead of just Nintendo.
Ryu Hayabusa fits the Honorary Nintendo Character part.

I guess Billy and Jimmy Lee fit that too.

Doom Slayer fits the Multiplat that includes Nintendo part.

Overall, those are the only type of characters I support for Smash.
 
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I know this has 0% chance of happening, but I was thinking more about Microsoft characters in Smash and I remember that they now own Psychonuats and Raz in Smash could be so much fun. With all the psychic abilities, I think coming with a moveset would be very easy and it's an amazing franchise with a lot of good music:
Panic attack
The goats must be hungry
The flea circus
Clear_raz.png
 

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Are there any characters people feel like are close to being locks for the next game?

Assuming it isn't a complete reboot of sorts and third-party characters are still included, I feel like it would be weird if Bomberman DIDN'T make it in next time. Like, it has to happen right?
 

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Are there any characters people feel like are close to being locks for the next game?

Assuming it isn't a complete reboot of sorts and third-party characters are still included, I feel like it would be weird if Bomberman DIDN'T make it in next time. Like, it has to happen right?
Monster Hunter, Octoling, Tom Nook, either Dixie or Cranky Kong but am leaning towards Cranky, Impa, Bandana Dee and a Sonic newcomer of sorts, probably Tails.
 

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With like 10 active players on steam?

NASB has lost over 90% of its playerbase on steam and has kept bleeding players.
The game's getting crossplay and a bunch of new characters soon. They'll come crawling back.
 

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Are there any characters people feel like are close to being locks for the next game?

Assuming it isn't a complete reboot of sorts and third-party characters are still included, I feel like it would be weird if Bomberman DIDN'T make it in next time. Like, it has to happen right?
I'd say Akira Howard. Now that Arms is in it would just ve weird to skip on Astral chain, and we know that PlatinumGames have plans for a sequel (it could already be in development). Probably Dixie too. It's already weird that she misses her chances in Ultimate to be honest.

I'm honestly not that sure on Bomberman. The problem is that it's already not a really active franchise. I could definitely see him being playable, but I wouldn't say he's a lock.
 

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I think that is probably the most likely scenario. I have doubts that Microsoft would go with just Doom Slayer and Master Chief due to their similar appearance and genre. I think they’ll likely go with Crash over one of the two for that reason but we could always get a WarCraft character instead.
I somewhat like the idea of both Doom Slayer and Master Chief being in the same Smash title because of their similar appearance and genre. It's what Smash is kind of about with having these gaming titans face off to settle the score. I think of it the same way as having Ryu vs. Kazuya vs. Terry now basically

Also the plot thickens.



Seems like establishing better relations with Sony is on the docket. Phil's doing the same PR speak he did with Activision-Blizzard just before the buyout. I think getting universal crossplay and GamePass on Playstation is a legitimate possibility.

I honestly see more negatives for Microsoft keeping COD exclusive versus the positives that come with sharing it and it alone. Opens doors to Sony's userbase in meaningful ways such as crossplay and GamePass on PlayStation. Helps maneuver around monopoly accusations which runs in direct opposition to the consumer-friendly rep they've been diligently cultivating for the last 5 years. Stands to also make them more money while still having the COD series be even more appealing as a GamePass offering versus a full priced offering on Playstation. We shall see.

Also LOL @ the fanboy in the comments saying " yOu CaN KiLl SoNy By JuSt MaKiNg COD xBoX eXcLuSiVe, JuSt DO IT!!!!1111!!! sO dAt YoU wOn'Tz hAvE dA aNy mUr cOmPeTiToRz!!!!!!1!!!111!"

This is what your brain looks like on console wars and American culture.
 
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Are there any characters people feel like are close to being locks for the next game?

Assuming it isn't a complete reboot of sorts and third-party characters are still included, I feel like it would be weird if Bomberman DIDN'T make it in next time. Like, it has to happen right?
The safest of all safe bets, outside of the obligatory new Pokemon and Fire Emblem reps, would be to look at first parties that have had noticeable successes on the Switch itself. Characters like a Ring Fit Trainee, Officer Howard, a WarioWare rep, Pauline, Impa, Bandana Dee if Forgotten Land does well, and Tom Nook are easy picks in this regard. You could also go with fan favorite first parties, where the field is nowhere near as large as it was before 4 or ult. Right now, you pretty much just have Dee, Waluigi, and Isaac in terms of big fan favorite first parties right now.

Going towards third parties, that is always harder to look at, but I would say some reasonable bets would include Crash, Master Chief, Lloyd Irving, Dante, Lara Croft, and Alucard. All of these companies are involved in Smash now, which having a foot in the door is a reasonable blessing. The first four have very noticeable fan demand. Lara Croft is probably the next move for Square in Smash: Tomb Raider is massive as hell and its their biggest property not in. Considering they went for their core franchises like FF, DQ, and KH, I think Tomb Raider is a solid bet. Finally, Sakurai did consider Alucard in the past for Smash and Alucard would represent a part of Castlevania that is not really shown off with the Belmonts. There are plenty of other good bets for third parties, like a Falcom rep, Monster Hunter, Nahobino, or even a League of Legends rep just to name a few. I just chose those 6 since they stuck out to me.

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Speaking of League, I do think it is a sleeper candidate for the next Smash. I will say first I am not a fan of League: my appreciation for League starts with Arcane and ends with Arcane. if I did not play Hearthstone maybe Legends of Runeterra would vex me but I do not need another card game to sink my teeth into. Regardless, League is massive as hell, especially globally. It seems to only be getting bigger as of late, so I could easily see it staying relevant going forward. Nintendo and Riot/Tencent are also pretty friendly, hell they let Tencent work on Pokemon Unite. I could see a League champion making the jump next time.

Don't know who they would go with, but gun to my head Jinx. She was arguably the most popular character from League before Arcane, while now she is the most popular easily.
 

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We'll have to see how the consolidation wars play out in the next few years. Some third-parties might be off the table, some companies may no longer want to cooperate, and some third-parties may even become first-parties. Though that last one seems of questionable likelihood, given Nintendo.
 

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Are there any characters people feel like are close to being locks for the next game?

Assuming it isn't a complete reboot of sorts and third-party characters are still included, I feel like it would be weird if Bomberman DIDN'T make it in next time. Like, it has to happen right?
Pokemon and Fire Em-
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Also LOL @ the fanboy in the comments saying " yOu CaN KiLl SoNy By JuSt MaKiNg COD xBoX eXcLuSiVe, JuSt DO IT!!!!1111!!! sO dAt YoU wOn'Tz hAvE dA aNy mUr cOmPeTiToRz!!!!!!1!!!111!"

This is what your brain looks like on console wars and American culture.
I mean, I'm one of those weird people who doesn't mind the recent trend of corporate acquisitions (as long as I get quality products in the end), but... yeah, I think I lost a few braincells reading that.
 

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Are there any characters people feel like are close to being locks for the next game?

Assuming it isn't a complete reboot of sorts and third-party characters are still included, I feel like it would be weird if Bomberman DIDN'T make it in next time. Like, it has to happen right?
Octoling seems like the closest that I could guess to being a sure thing, given Splatoon's sheer popularity. The fact that they play identically to the Inklings in the source material makes them an easy echo fighter/clone character, and they got their own DLC campaign in the Splatoon 2 and are playable in the base game of Splatoon 3, so their popularity seems to be enduring.

For third party characters, I have no idea. Even if we ignore the question of whether or not third party characters will even come back, some really obvious-seeming choices (such as a second Sonic character) haven't made it in yet. Maybe a new Microsoft character, if relations between the two companies remain as they are? (there's no shortage of choices - Master Chief, Doomguy, the Dragonborn, Crash Bandicoot, Tracer, Spyro, Zeratul from StarCraft, etc.)
 
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I mean, I'm one of those weird people who doesn't mind the recent trend of corporate acquisitions (as long as I get quality products in the end), but... yeah, I think I lost a few braincells reading that.
I don't think it's good, but I won't lie and say I don't have fun speculating what comes next. I really wonder what Sony's play here is - they're almost aty Microsoft's whim.
 

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I don't think it's good, but I won't lie and say I don't have fun speculating what comes next. I really wonder what Sony's play here is - they're almost aty Microsoft's whim.
Well apparently, contractual obligations prevent Microsoft from pulling out on them... at the moment. Once they run their course, then we might see some action.
 

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If was to make some guesses at acquisitions for the other guys...

Nintendo: Platinum Games, SEGA (as a 2nd party) and Level-5 maybe. Vanpool possibly as well.

Platinum Games would be a solid IP creator for Nintendo and has spoken about their preference for being acquired by them over Sony.

SEGA would be a great workhorse for Nintendo, something I think Nintendo actually needs for their neglected IPs (SEGA did make the last F-Zero game after all) and just in general. Plus SEGA has some of their own IPs that'd fit well with the Nintendo family like Sonic and some others that would serve to widen Nintendo's appeal like Yakuza.

Level-5 is kind of the same situation with their IP fitting in remarkably well and they need the funding to get back into the west.

Vanpool has a solid relationship with Nintendo and again could use the funding to position them going forward into the more expensive developmental era.

Nintendo values loyalty so that they can trust the talent staying. All of these companies I think Nintendo has built a solid foundation of trust with.

Sony: Techland, CD Projekt RED, FromSoftware, Arc Systems Work, Remedy, IO interactive, Supermasssive Games

I basically think these all have similar things going for them. They all fit well with Sony's IP family with their established works. They all are primed to go up in value (in regards to what they bring to the table for Sony) as they progress their craft and get better. They could all thrive under Sony's leadership. ASW specifically has Sony's EVO buyout going for it. CDPR is kind of going through a major bump in their journey but we all know their potential is unquestionable and they would act as a direct counter to Bethesda. It might be the perfect time to go after them for Sony. If they acquired Techland on top of that they'd have a major base of operation in Poland. If they got Remedy they'd have the same thing for Finland considering their acquisition of Housemarque. FromSoftware would somehow fit better than all of these well-fitting studios. They almost feel like a Sony studio already and again with Elden Ring seemingly unleashing their potential they're only primed to go up in value as they progress their craft. It might be the best time to go after them. They come with that Kadowawa red tape though. IO interactive is just a great fit and seem more than capable of creating the AAA kind of games Sony needs from these potential acquisitions. Supermassive Games looks like it's getting to that level of craftsmanship and would stand to benefit from Sony's funds and leadership pushing them there and I also think they'd probably be one of the more easier acquisitions of the bunch I've laid out.

As far as bigbois go I guess Square-Enix is out of the question for the foreseeable future.

I do wonder though if Sony could potentially carve out Konami's actual video game IP and developmental division. That'd be a major acquisition if they could somehow pull that off.

Then there's Capcom. Goes without saying that those are some major IP gains and fits well with Sony's EVO goals.

I worry about anybody with Smash representation getting acquired by Sony. It'd be nice if Sony could play ball. I'd love Kratos to join the fight.

I personally think Sony should go after the smaller ones. I think there's more bang for their buck there than the bigbois.

I also wouldn't say Sony should just reflexively panic buy as a response to Microsoft's moves but it's been clear that this has been Microsoft's strategy for years now and Sony really needs to secure Playstatoin's future as a priority for the company. Sure they don't have the same warchest but they need to spend the warchest they do have sooner rather than later.

I also think Sony would stand to benefit from integrating some of their other core businesses into the Playstation ecosystem namely their TVs and speakers. Sony should have a gaming TV ready for consumers. An answer the LG C series. Maybe some sort of integrated perks to pair with PlayStation systems that only come from Sony TVs. Throw the speakers to make it feel like the living room version of a Sony "computer" so to speak with the Playstation, Sony TV and speakers reinforcing each other as a singular entertainment platform.

Then finally if the Switch's success in Japan has taught Sony anything is should be to dust off the ol' PSP brand and do something with it. A PSP2 (or PSP3 if you want to count the VITA) if you will. A current-gen PSP should of course be more powerful than a Switch and Switch successor but should also allow for you to play your Playstation catalog on the go. I could even see Sony getting away with some kind of charge to "upgrade" (or downgrade if you prefer) to having it playable portability so long as the device is powerful enough to entice gamers away from the Switch.

As far as their project Sparticus thing goes. From what I gather it's basically going to be older Playstation titles (PS1, 2, 3, 4 and maybe PSP/VITA?) plus Anime (Sony bought Crunchyroll and has a majority stake in Funimation I think) taking over for PS PLUS (as in you'll still get your free monthly games with this subscription) and maybe a humble offering of other titles in comparison to GamePass. Seems cool enough. I still think Sony would stand to benefit from allowing GamePass onto their platform in the future regardless. I don't see it going the other way around though because it isn't in Sony's interests to allow their exclusive stuff onto Microsoft's platform whereas it is in Microsoft's interests to allow GamePass on Playstation.

Microsoft: Valve

I see Valve as their holy grail. The perfect integration into the PC market, VR tech for their systems, a promising avenue into the handheld gaming market and a healthy chunk of beloved IP to work with.

Other than that maybe Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment in the future at some point. Microsoft did show interest in acquiring them but I think the sale was just to gauge interest on WBIE's end. Of course Microsoft could just overpay for them to get the deal done.
 

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At this point I wouldn't call any potential newcomer a lock or virtual lock.

Astral Chain and Ring Fit are among those mentioned as locks by a lot of people, but we can't say how relevant these will be by the time the project plan for the next game is made. And even besides that, Astral Chain is somewhat of a niche game while Ring Fit won't have the surprise factor due to casual/fitness genres already having playable reps; they'll probably need to be able to stand on their own legs several years from now.

As for PKMN and FE, yeah they are pretty likely to get another rep but I'm not going to call a lock on characters that may not even exist yet. They also completely skipped adding a Pokemon during Ultimate's DLC cycle and they went at least one whole FP without Fire Emblem (although of course DLC cycles are different beasts than base game cycles).

I wouldn't call any particular Echo/clone candidate a lock either since they are typically low-priority roster padding. For Octolings in particular I could see a scenario in which they pick another fully unique Splatoon rep and decide that is enough for the series (not that unique Splatoon rep + Octolings couldn't happen together but it could make an Octoling clone less of a priority relative to other clones). Or maybe they don't view Octoling as an Echo candidate to begin with. Splatoon rep in general is likely but it's not obvious if there is any one choice that sticks out enough, so I could legit see it being skipped on.

Characters like Tom Nook, Dixie, and Impa have seemed obvious in some respects for a while now but still haven't been added, so I'm not entirely sure what's up with them. All three would make great additions, though.

At least one fan fave like Waluigi, Isaac, or Dee is likely but none of them in particular are locks. All three have a questionable relationship at best with Sakurai himself if that ends up mattering at all, Waluigi lacks mainline Mario appearances, GS is dormant, Dee is up against alleged bias towards Sak-Kirby and not being considered interesting enough (whether it's fair to say about him or not), ... .

Third party choices are sufficiently unpredictable in general at this point to avoid calling any of them a clear frontrunner.

That all said, most of what was mentioned above remains pretty likely but I see people overestimate certain ones a lot, so I think it's good to deconstruct their chances a little bit lest they're falsely assumed to be inevitabilities.
 
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If was to make some guesses at acquisitions for the other guys...

Nintendo: Platinum Games, SEGA (as a 2nd party) and Level-5 maybe. Vanpool possibly as well.

Platinum Games would be a solid IP creator for Nintendo and has spoken about their preference for being acquired by them over Sony.

SEGA would be a great workhorse for Nintendo, something I think Nintendo actually needs for their neglected IPs (SEGA did make the last F-Zero game after all) and just in general. Plus SEGA has some of their own IPs that'd fit well with the Nintendo family like Sonic and some others that would serve to widen Nintendo's appeal like Yakuza.

Level-5 is kind of the same situation with their IP fitting in remarkably well and they need the funding to get back into the west.

Vanpool has a solid relationship with Nintendo and again could use the funding to position them going forward into the more expensive developmental era.

Nintendo values loyalty so that they can trust the talent staying. All of these companies I think Nintendo has built a solid foundation of trust with.

Sony: Techland, CD Projekt RED, FromSoftware, Arc Systems Work, Remedy, IO interactive, Supermasssive Games

I basically think these all have similar things going for them. They all fit well with Sony's IP family with their established works. They all are primed to go up in value (in regards to what they bring to the table for Sony) as they progress their craft and get better. They could all thrive under Sony's leadership. ASW specifically has Sony's EVO buyout going for it. CDPR is kind of going through a major bump in their journey but we all know their potential is unquestionable and they would act as a direct counter to Bethesda. It might be the perfect time to go after them for Sony. If they acquired Techland on top of that they'd have a major base of operation in Poland. If they got Remedy they'd have the same thing for Finland considering their acquisition of Housemarque. FromSoftware would somehow fit better than all of these well-fitting studios. They almost feel like a Sony studio already and again with Elden Ring seemingly unleashing their potential they're only primed to go up in value as they progress their craft. It might be the best time to go after them. They come with that Kadowawa red tape though. IO interactive is just a great fit and seem more than capable of creating the AAA kind of games Sony needs from these potential acquisitions. Supermassive Games looks like it's getting to that level of craftsmanship and would stand to benefit from Sony's funds and leadership pushing them there and I also think they'd probably be one of the more easier acquisitions of the bunch I've laid out.

As far as bigbois go I guess Square-Enix is out of the question for the foreseeable future.

I do wonder though if Sony could potentially carve out Konami's actual video game IP and developmental division. That'd be a major acquisition if they could somehow pull that off.

Then there's Capcom. Goes without saying that those are some major IP gains and fits well with Sony's EVO goals.

I worry about anybody with Smash representation getting acquired by Sony. It'd be nice if Sony could play ball. I'd love Kratos to join the fight.

I personally think Sony should go after the smaller ones. I think there's more bang for their buck there than the bigbois.

I also wouldn't say Sony should just reflexively panic buy as a response to Microsoft's moves but it's been clear that this has been Microsoft's strategy for years now and Sony really needs to secure Playstatoin's future as a priority for the company. Sure they don't have the same warchest but they need to spend the warchest they do have sooner rather than later.

I also think Sony would stand to benefit from integrating some of their other core businesses into the Playstation ecosystem namely their TVs and speakers. Sony should have a gaming TV ready for consumers. An answer the LG C series. Maybe some sort of integrated perks to pair with PlayStation systems that only come from Sony TVs. Throw the speakers to make it feel like the living room version of a Sony "computer" so to speak with the Playstation, Sony TV and speakers reinforcing each other as a singular entertainment platform.

Then finally if the Switch's success in Japan has taught Sony anything is should be to dust off the ol' PSP brand and do something with it. A PSP2 (or PSP3 if you want to count the VITA) if you will. A current-gen PSP should of course be more powerful than a Switch and Switch successor but should also allow for you to play your Playstation catalog on the go. I could even see Sony getting away with some kind of charge to "upgrade" (or downgrade if you prefer) to having it playable portability so long as the device is powerful enough to entice gamers away from the Switch.

As far as their project Sparticus thing goes. From what I gather it's basically going to be older Playstation titles (PS1, 2, 3, 4 and maybe PSP/VITA?) plus Anime (Sony bought Crunchyroll and has a majority stake in Funimation I think) taking over for PS PLUS (as in you'll still get your free monthly games with this subscription) and maybe a humble offering of other titles in comparison to GamePass. Seems cool enough. I still think Sony would stand to benefit from allowing GamePass onto their platform in the future regardless. I don't see it going the other way around though because it isn't in Sony's interests to allow their exclusive stuff onto Microsoft's platform whereas it is in Microsoft's interests to allow GamePass on Playstation.

Microsoft: Valve

I see Valve as their holy grail. The perfect integration into the PC market, VR tech for their systems, a promising avenue into the handheld gaming market and a healthy chunk of beloved IP to work with.

Other than that maybe Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment in the future at some point. Microsoft did show interest in acquiring them but I think the sale was just to gauge interest on WBIE's end. Of course Microsoft could just overpay for them to get the deal done.
The only one that I agree is Nintendo and Level-5. Level-5 has some good IP and was always close to Nintendo but it seems like they really don't have that many ressources anymore. I think being with Nintendo will help them a lot.

I really don't think they would but PlatinumGames. I'm pretty sure Platinum said that they want to stay independant and Project GG will be the start of that. I think they also said that they want to try to get the Bayonetta IP to them so they can do new games without dealing with Sega and other dev like Nintendo (in the same way that they bought back the Wonderful 101 ip).

To be honest I could see Nintendo buying Mercury Steam. It seems like the right thing to do after 2 succesful Metroid games (especially Dread), and I think having a studio that can make solid 2d Metroid and other Metroidvania would be really good to them.

For Sony, for now I don't see them going into big acquisitions. I think their next target will be Ember labs after the pretty big success of Kena. Unless they really want to compete with Game pass, I don't see them buying huge studio. I also don't see them buying FromSoftware for the same reason as PlatinumGames: They said numerous time that they want to stay independant and I'm pretty sure that eventually they'll published their games alone.
 

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Are there any characters people feel like are close to being locks for the next game?

Assuming it isn't a complete reboot of sorts and third-party characters are still included, I feel like it would be weird if Bomberman DIDN'T make it in next time. Like, it has to happen right?
Bandana Waddle Dee
Ring Fit Trainer
Octoling

..... That's all I can think of at this point in time.
 

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Bandana Waddle Dee
Ring Fit Trainer
Octoling

..... That's all I can think of at this point in time.
Yeah I’d say those are all really safe bets. I do expect another Pokémon from whatever the current Gen is at the time. Historically, we have gotten at least one Fire Emblem character in every game since Melee but I’m less confident on that one due to all the backlash from fans.
 

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Yeah I’d say those are all really safe bets. I do expect another Pokémon from whatever the current Gen is at the time. Historically, we have gotten at least one Fire Emblem character in every game since Melee but I’m less confident on that one due to all the backlash from fans.
The large wave of "muh undeserving", "nuuuuu! nuuu soooords!" and "muh representation" complains after Corrin didn't stop Chrom from being in the base game and Nintendo from telling Sakurai to include Byleth. Or Fates from becoming the best selling FE pre-TH in fact.

The thing about Smash fans is that the majrity of people complaining... Still buy the game and DLC. And that's pretty much all Nintendo needs to see.
 
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The only companies I'd be okay with being bought out are companies that are essentially company partners anyways (like Camelot) and.... Konami.

Yeah.... Konami's management sucks enough that I feel its the only big company I'd be okay with a buyout.
 

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The only one that I agree is Nintendo and Level-5. Level-5 has some good IP and was always close to Nintendo but it seems like they really don't have that many ressources anymore. I think being with Nintendo will help them a lot.

I really don't think they would but PlatinumGames. I'm pretty sure Platinum said that they want to stay independant and Project GG will be the start of that. I think they also said that they want to try to get the Bayonetta IP to them so they can do new games without dealing with Sega and other dev like Nintendo (in the same way that they bought back the Wonderful 101 ip).

To be honest I could see Nintendo buying Mercury Steam. It seems like the right thing to do after 2 succesful Metroid games (especially Dread), and I think having a studio that can make solid 2d Metroid and other Metroidvania would be really good to them.

For Sony, for now I don't see them going into big acquisitions. I think their next target will be Ember labs after the pretty big success of Kena. Unless they really want to compete with Game pass, I don't see them buying huge studio. I also don't see them buying FromSoftware for the same reason as PlatinumGames: They said numerous time that they want to stay independant and I'm pretty sure that eventually they'll published their games alone.
I'm basing the Platinum Games speculation on this little tidbit from almost 10 years ago.


Compounded with the idea that they're working on Bayonetta 3 right now and if Nintendo formed a 2nd party partnership with SEGA that'd solidify Bayonetta's rights should Nintendo want to continue forward with that series more regularly in the future. Of course they could still maintain the current status quo of the series but Nintendofans really seem to like Bayonetta and feel like she's part of the family. Yeah they've said pretty recently they want to stay independent so it's probably not likely though Insomniac Games held that very same position for quite a while until they finally caved to Sony's offer to become 1st party.

Mercury Steam was a clear oversight! You're absolutely right that'd be a great acquisition for Nintendo. Metroid fans deserve a dedicated development team that have clearly proven themselves at this point.
 
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Is there an obvious reason Nintendo wouldn't try to acquire Intelligent Systems? I don't think it's been mentioned yet despite people bringing up stuff like MSteam and Camelot.
 

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Is there an obvious reason Nintendo wouldn't try to acquire Intelligent Systems? I don't think it's been mentioned yet despite people bringing up stuff like MSteam and Camelot.
Because they don't need to. IS has been an exclusive partner for over thirty years and they are unlikely to be in jeopardy of being purchased by another company given they're not looking to be sold and wouldn't come with any IP unless Nintendo relinquishes their partial control over those that they share.

That's not limited to IS, it's most of Nintendo's partners. The western ones might be of more appeal to western companies given how its easier to procure and work with them. Plus the more tenuous and fledging nature of Nintendo's relationship with MercurySteam has people suggesting they get bought out. Sort of similar to Platinum. But Nintendo probably won't, it's not their style.

That said, if any of their close, longstanding partners (IS, HAL, Game Freak, etc.) did seem in danger of getting scooped up, or were looking to be bought out, Nintendo probably would step in. As they did for NLG. But short of that, it seems unlikely the usual suspects go anywhere, and thus the status quo is seen as sufficient.
 

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Honestly the activision buyout feels much more sudden than the zenimax buyout which felt like it was planned for years prior
Well, that's because their exposure for being absolutely horrid scum was rather sudden, thus it's time to capitalize.

Are there any characters people feel like are close to being locks for the next game?

Assuming it isn't a complete reboot of sorts and third-party characters are still included, I feel like it would be weird if Bomberman DIDN'T make it in next time. Like, it has to happen right?
Think of all the characters, based on multiple fan polls, who placed high in polls that were not dominated or botted by any one group. Reason I say that is because the top end of the ballot as well as other mentions really seem like it represents us fans better than we give ourselves credit for. If you go over who Sakurai said came from the ballot over time, it proves all Smash fans did a damn good job of showing Sakurai what we want.

Also, characters people really wanted this cycle that didn't make it, like Crash, Dante, Chief, Travis Touchdown. Also The Wah, hands down the most likely first party, so likely he could come a lot early than we might think.
 
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I somewhat like the idea of both Doom Slayer and Master Chief being in the same Smash title because of their similar appearance and genre. It's what Smash is kind of about with having these gaming titans face off to settle the score. I think of it the same way as having Ryu vs. Kazuya vs. Terry now basically

Also the plot thickens.



Seems like establishing better relations with Sony is on the docket. Phil's doing the same PR speak he did with Activision-Blizzard just before the buyout. I think getting universal crossplay and GamePass on Playstation is a legitimate possibility.

I honestly see more negatives for Microsoft keeping COD exclusive versus the positives that come with sharing it and it alone. Opens doors to Sony's userbase in meaningful ways such as crossplay and GamePass on PlayStation. Helps maneuver around monopoly accusations which runs in direct opposition to the consumer-friendly rep they've been diligently cultivating for the last 5 years. Stands to also make them more money while still having the COD series be even more appealing as a GamePass offering versus a full priced offering on Playstation. We shall see.

Also LOL @ the fanboy in the comments saying " yOu CaN KiLl SoNy By JuSt MaKiNg COD xBoX eXcLuSiVe, JuSt DO IT!!!!1111!!! sO dAt YoU wOn'Tz hAvE dA aNy mUr cOmPeTiToRz!!!!!!1!!!111!"

This is what your brain looks like on console wars and American culture.
"Keeping CoD on Playstation" in all likelihood means Warzone, the next one, the previous ones staying up, and that's it. They're not paying 70 billion to keep CoD multiplat. If anything, keeping CoD multiplat is less incentive for Sony to embrace GamePass; they're not going to allow it out of "gratitude" for not taking CoD away.

And people claim MS is a monopoly, but they still very much aren't. Right now, they're still in third. Even if they weren't, Sony and Nintendo aren't going to just wither and die, and there are still big players like EA, Tencent, and Take-Two.

I don't think it's good, but I won't lie and say I don't have fun speculating what comes next. I really wonder what Sony's play here is - they're almost aty Microsoft's whim.
I think MS's early pivot to subscription service is going to set the path for the future, and when the subscription wars start the currency will be your catalogue of IP, both to incentivize your service and to detract from your competitors.

So Sony is going to have to start brute forcing substantial acquisitions of their own. MS very much has the jump, but Sony has the benefit of more easily being able to pick up Japanese devs. They lack the bottomless funds of MS, and have made smart acquisitions so far in terms of creating a compelling first-party quality-wise, but MS is playing the quantity game as well, so they need to start picking up the slack.

They've neglected Japan as of late, but they might need to start relying on it more in terms of resource potential. Companies who have titles which can reach globally are the smart investment, at the height of which you probably have Capcom and Square, who have some prolifically global franchises. Plus they're markedly less than the big remaining western companies like EA and Take-Two, so that might be the play.

Which would suck, as they would finally start making exclusive series I actually play.

First party reps like Bandana Dee.
BWD is real far from being a lock so long as Sakurai is around.
 

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Are there any characters people feel like are close to being locks for the next game?

Assuming it isn't a complete reboot of sorts and third-party characters are still included, I feel like it would be weird if Bomberman DIDN'T make it in next time. Like, it has to happen right?
Simple answer: nobody's a "lock". If they were, they probably would've been included in Ultimate already.

But yes, I mentioned it a bit earlier in the thread, but I do get the feeling Bomberman is being slept on. Really, looking back on it, the guy must've failed to garner so much as a mention during Ultimate's speculation because he was immediately de-confirmed as an Assist Trophy. Plus, the reveal of Simon AND Richter, on top of Snake's return, must've left a lot of people going "Welp, I guess that's that from Konami." Though the fact that he was later retooled into a Mii costume gives the impression that he was still on the developers' minds all throughout the duration of the DLC. At any rate, with a fresh start, and all Assist Trophies being on the table again, who's to say how Bomberman might fare next time around.

Speaking of Mii costumes, it is pretty interesting to me that characters like Dixie Kong, Skull Kid, Marx, and Arcade Bunny received Mii hats, while they also gave full costumes for characters like Isaac, Mark Mk III, Saki Amamiya, Chibi-Robo, and Lip. Gives me the impression that they knew those characters were in demand (to varying degrees), but they opted to just go the "consolation prize" route (much like Assist Trophies). And that was kinda the same thing done with K. Rool, Isabelle, and Chrom in Smash4. With that said, would it be a stretch to think that at least one of them could see an upgrade into a full-fledged Fighter?

Because they don't need to. IS has been an exclusive partner for over thirty years and they are unlikely to be in jeopardy of being purchased by another company given they're not looking to be sold and wouldn't come with any IP unless Nintendo relinquishes their partial control over those that they share.

That's not limited to IS, it's most of Nintendo's partners. The western ones might be of more appeal to western companies given how its easier to procure and work with them. Plus the more tenuous and fledging nature of Nintendo's relationship with MercurySteam has people suggesting they get bought out. Sort of similar to Platinum. But Nintendo probably won't, it's not their style.

That said, if any of their close, longstanding partners (IS, HAL, Game Freak, etc.) did seem in danger of getting scooped up, or were looking to be bought out, Nintendo probably would step in. As they did for NLG. But short of that, it seems unlikely the usual suspects go anywhere, and thus the status quo is seen as sufficient.
Yeah, I'd like to think that Nintendo learned a hard lesson after Rare, and they'd rather not repeat that mistake.
 

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Are there any characters people feel like are close to being locks for the next game?

Assuming it isn't a complete reboot of sorts and third-party characters are still included, I feel like it would be weird if Bomberman DIDN'T make it in next time. Like, it has to happen right?
I guess Ring Fit Trainer, Octolings, new fire emblem and Pokémon rep would be the most likely Nintendo reps.
As for next Nintendo villains to introduce on the line of the base game fan favorite picks such as Porky and Skull Kid would be very likely.
As for 3rd party Moster Hunter and Bomberman seems the most likely for the base game.
As for echo I expect Jin to get the Ken treatment because next mainline tekken game Jin will probably have a huge role in the story and harada might be involved in the next smash.
 
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BWD is real far from being a lock so long as Sakurai is around.
This narrative is hilariously strong for having no claims from Sakurai. Even I had a claim in it at one point.

I mean, if Sakurai can turn around entirely how he feels about competitive Smash and make strides in favor of that community over two releases, and how getting Sora was a hyper-focus thing he made sure to do despite it being most definitely the most difficult inclusion he's ever done, I think he can get over he bias for what his original and first creation has turned into to include the character from it people want the most.

But, what do I know. Sakurai is probably just a big piece of **** and totally hasn't made hundreds of decisions that show he would easily included BWD.
 

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This narrative is hilariously strong for having no claims from Sakurai. Even I had a claim in it at one point.

I mean, if Sakurai can turn around entirely how he feels about competitive Smash and make strides in favor of that community over two releases, and how getting Sora was a hyper-focus thing he made sure to do despite it being most definitely the most difficult inclusion he's ever done, I think he can get over he bias for what his original and first creation has turned into to include the character from it people want the most.

But, what do I know. Sakurai is probably just a big piece of **** and totally hasn't made hundreds of decisions that show he would easily included BWD.
And Sakurai can change his mind on video game characters only, so is Goku a lock?

I don't know what you know. But one thing you don't seem to grasp is there's a wide, wide, wide chasm between 'it can happen', and 'it will happen', and when you deem something a lock, you're saying it's the latter.

And that's strange, because you should know about overconfident proclamations and false equivalencies as well as anyone.
 
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"Keeping CoD on Playstation" in all likelihood means Warzone, the next one, the previous ones staying up, and that's it. They're not paying 70 billion to keep CoD multiplat. If anything, keeping CoD multiplat is less incentive for Sony to embrace GamePass; they're not going to allow it out of "gratitude" for not taking CoD away.

And people claim MS is a monopoly, but they still very much aren't. Right now, they're still in third. Even if they weren't, Sony and Nintendo aren't going to just wither and die, and there are still big players like EA, Tencent, and Take-Two.
I largely agree with the argument on its merits. I said as much when people were saying Bethesda games might remain multiplat but I see COD an in-road with Playstation. It's just as important to Playstation as Minecraft was to Nintendo. I think it harbors much more value to Microsoft as a strategic multiplat than it does as an exclusive. I have no dog in the race because I don't play COD. I'm just speculating.

I'm not saying it's gratitude. I'm saying it's leverage. I think they have a lot to gain from taking the Minecraft approach with COD. I'll say it again. An in with Sony to establish things like crossplay and GamerPass on Playstation. A counterpoint against accusations of monopolization that runs in direct opposition to their consumer-friendly image. That is to say that whereas talks of yesteryear in regards to Microsoft's strategy in the gaming industry were concerned were centered around the idea of consumer-friendliness today a conversation around insane spending and monopolization are starting to take root and they will only grow from here on out. Finally they stand to make more money going strategically mulitplat with this mainstream cookie-cutter shooter and STILL move systems being the more attractive option of offering said COD titles on GamePass versus a full-priced purchase or even a sale-price purchase.

Some people will say they are a monopoly and some like you will say they aren't. The discussion will still be had and that'll have an impact on their PR. I think the conversation is completely justified. It doesn't matter that they're in 3rd place now. I don't think that's a great argument because clearly they can still keep spending if they want and they likely are still in the process of acquiring more. I more or less think it's safe to assume that until they directly say they aren't.
 
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I largely agree with the argument on its merits. I said as much when people were saying Bethesda games might remain multiplat but I see COD an in-road with Playstation. It's just as important to Playstation as Minecraft was to Nintendo. I think it harbors much more value to Microsoft as a strategic multiplat than it does as an exclusive. I have no dog in the race because I don't play COD. I'm just speculating.

I'm not saying it's gratitude. I'm saying it's leverage. I think they have a lot to gain from taking the Minecraft approach with COD. I'll say it again. An in with Sony to establish things like crossplay and GamerPass on Playstation. A counterpoint against accusations of monopolization that runs in direct opposition to their consumer-friendly image. That is to say that whereas talks of yesteryear in regards to Microsoft's strategy in the gaming industry were concerned were centered around the idea of consumer-friendliness today a conversation around insane spending and monopolization are starting to take root and they will only grow from here on out. Finally they stand to make more money going strategically mulitplat with this mainstream cookie-cutter shooter and STILL move systems being the more attractive option of offering said COD titles on GamePass versus a full-priced purchase or even a sale-price purchase.

Some people will say they are a monopoly and some like you will say they aren't. The discussion will still be had and that'll have an impact on their PR. I think the conversation is completely justified. It doesn't matter that they're in 3rd place now. I don't think that's a great argument because clearly they can still keep spending if they want and they likely are still in the process of acquiring more. I more or less think it's safe to assume that until they directly say they aren't.
Well, first of all, games like CoD and Overwatch already have crossplay between Xbox and Playstation. Also, crossplay doesn't exactly encourage players to filter towards a specific system or platform, which is antithetical to purchases like this. It's become industry standard, but it's not a shock the market leader didn't want to embrace it until quite late, because they had the most to lose.

As far as GamePass, Microsoft's ambition to put the service on a Sony console is their offer to keep CoD, and all the other exclusives, on that platform. If Sony wants those games on its system badly enough, it will acquiesce. Leveraging CoD to put GamePass on the system is already happening by simply having CoD on GamePass, and exclusively on GamePass. These actions aren't just to incentivize players to filter towards GamePass, it's for other companies to, perhaps grudgingly, allow the service on their platforms as a means of allowing access to the now-exclusive titles.

CoD is the biggest chip bought in this deal, I have to imagine they're going to use it towards their ultimate goal of growing and proliferating GamePass (and moving more Xboxes).

And regarding the PR, I think they're going to be too busy touting their own achievements to lend credence to detraction on the internet. If MS wants to still be "good guy Microsoft", they can talk about how they're cleaning up Activision, and then put out sales figures of increased subscriptions to GamePass. More over, once Sony starts making bigger acquisitions, which they probably will to compete, this behavior will become more normalized and there will be less heat targeted towards Microsoft specifically. Past that, soon enough people are going to return to their routine where they might grumble about "monopolies", but the focus isn't going to be so intense that MS actually need acknowledge it via PR.

And fwiw, by definition having third-biggest market share inhibits being a monopoly, because that means two entities have a higher market share than you. You clearly do not have exclusive control of that industry. Or even near-exclusive control. You're just a very big entity within it. I understand the concerns people have, but they aren't monopolies. There are still many players in the game industry.
 
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Simple answer: nobody's a "lock". If they were, they probably would've been included in Ultimate already.

But yes, I mentioned it a bit earlier in the thread, but I do get the feeling Bomberman is being slept on. Really, looking back on it, the guy must've failed to garner so much as a mention during Ultimate's speculation because he was immediately de-confirmed as an Assist Trophy. Plus, the reveal of Simon AND Richter, on top of Snake's return, must've left a lot of people going "Welp, I guess that's that from Konami." Though the fact that he was later retooled into a Mii costume gives the impression that he was still on the developers' minds all throughout the duration of the DLC. At any rate, with a fresh start, and all Assist Trophies being on the table again, who's to say how Bomberman might fare next time around.

Speaking of Mii costumes, it is pretty interesting to me that characters like Dixie Kong, Skull Kid, Marx, and Arcade Bunny received Mii hats, while they also gave full costumes for characters like Isaac, Mark Mk III, Saki Amamiya, Chibi-Robo, and Lip. Gives me the impression that they knew those characters were in demand (to varying degrees), but they opted to just go the "consolation prize" route (much like Assist Trophies). And that was kinda the same thing done with K. Rool, Isabelle, and Chrom in Smash4. With that said, would it be a stretch to think that at least one of them could see an upgrade into a full-fledged Fighter?
I feel you're unto something here man. It's very possible yeah, Isaac especially feels like a prime candidate but am not holding my horses untill I hear of at least a remake of the GBA Golden Sun games in the same vein as the Advance Wars remake.

It's very telling that Golden Sun has the most content in Ultimate from the franchises that don't have a playable character in the game. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but I've been majorly disappointed before. The Rathalos battle formation tweet of Sakurai, the Grinch leak... It was sure rough to be a Isaac supporter for Ultimate.
 
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