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Tbh, you could say this for any characters who aren't top picks in Twitter or gaming boards, any character they'll add will have mains or people who like their inclusion regardless who it is or how disliked their inclusion is at first, it happened with Piranha Plant, it happened with Byleth, it happened with Min Min, it happened with Steve....it will happen with any other character they add.
This is what I'm hoping for, but I'm not really holding my breath either given Smash's track record with costumes.
For what it's worth, Haohmaru DID get into Soul Calibur 6, so that may have helped him get at least a little more exposure. Though it's hard to say given that SC is pretty niche as well.
I want them to decide if they want Final Smashes to be competitive or not. Right now they feel like a weird in between where they're trying to be both "casual" and "competitive" targeted and kinda falter at both. A lil too boring for casual play but a lil too chaotic for more serious play too. Personally I'd go for the latter; I mean the meter makes it clear they wanted to make them competitive, so might as well go all the way, maybe change the Meter FSes for like, Zelda and Peach more to not break the game. Though it would also be nice if every second one wasn't a cutscene either. I'm not asking for bull**** like DK's old Final Smash, but I mean, Byleth's could have easily been part of normal gameplay.
I've said it many a time before and I'll say it again. They need to separate Final Smashes and Supers entirely.
Maybe? Personally, I've got crossover fatigue, though from media in general not necessarily games in particular.
i can think of a few others. nickelodean's second one, a couple disney corssovers
Well, Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl 2 just added Zuko, and as you said, Multiversus is setting the stage for a comeback. There's also that Disney Mirrorverse mobile game and Dreamlight Valley
I think most corporations believe that getting your stuff in Gacha games or Fortnite or something like that is more lucrative in the long run and it is not worth spending money on a big crossover game when you don't have to spend money to let others use your things.
In Vs. Capcom's case:
I’m mostly just waiting on Kingdom Hearts 4.
Haohmaru's pretty cool, yeah, and I totally understand the feeling of him going somewhat underdiscussed. It's really just that Nakoruru is like.....one of the iconic SNK characters. Like, one of the most popular characters in their entire library. It's hard to compete against that, especially when the latter also has what most would at first glance consider a more distinctive kit. It's a shame, because Haohmaru is a very cool character in his own right, but Nako just....feels right as an inclusion to me, and I'd be disappointed to see her passed up.re: my SNK question, I'm unsurprised to see the love dealt toward Nakoruru.
But it makes me curious, how come Haohmaru gets largely shafted within this conversation? On paper it makes sense - he feels like the most "basic" pick, he's kind of a standard samurai character. Nakoruru is a cute girl with a knife and a bird companion. It does call to some interesting potential on her end, and as far as practicality or likelihood goes she's got a Mii Costume and had a role in Terry's trailer.
On the flipside though, at least in the context of Smash's own roster, I think Haohmaru stands out a lot. It's odd to me that Smash still doesn't have its signature samurai character, probably one of the most glaringly and confusingly absent archetypes simply given how popular it is to explore across a slew of games. Nintendo has their own options via Takamaru, Samurai Goroh, and by some metric Ganondorf now. But the point being, the lack of a playable samurai altogether would already make Haohmaru a striking addition to the series.
Nakoruru is a bit more marketable and widely popular, but Haohmaru is a star in his own right and the leader of Team Samurai in KOF. Technically, he's the series protagonist. I suppose it's something like the relationship between Demitri and Morrigan from Darkstalkers, where Demitri is the intended main character and Morrigan became the breakout star. I think with Samurai Shodown, it's a bit less extreme (and Haohmaru doesn't quite have his "Midnight Bliss" to gatekeep him from crossover games) but it seems like the most apt parallel.
Gameplay wise, Nakoruru has that bird and she's got a bit less of a conventional swordie kit. But I'd wager again, Haohmaru stands out just fine by proxy. The traditional fighting game characters we have on the roster so far are all varying degrees of martial artist. We don't have a sword character with command inputs, the whole shebang. And with Shodown's unique properties like Rage Gauge and the ability to be disarmed or drop your weapon (so presumably, Haohmaru would enter a second, disadvantage state with exclusively physical attacks) is plenty to serve him as a unique addition. Adding all that to Nakoruru's more complex pseudo-puppet gameplay might make her just a little too unwieldy. With Sakurai's design philosophy in mind, I think he might feel more inclined toward Haohmaru's more straightforward approach.
Yknow, hypothetically. I dunno how likely it is, Samurai Shodown is a pretty small-time series compared to other third parties on the roster but it's a pretty feasible second dip for SNK and feels like it's had a somewhat overlooked influence on certain Smash mechanics (rage) and even some attacks and character quirks (Mii Swordfighter essentially has Haohmaru's Ougi Senpuu Retsuzan).
I'd be totally down for either this or simply having them on-foot. I feel like there's a ton of potential and personality brimming from both options, neither would feel like any other character on the roster - no wrong answers in my book. The prospect of outright playing as a tank would be pretty incredible. I wonder if they would have the guts to make this the definitive biggest or heaviest character on the roster, surpassing Bowser.
Huh, did people actually think Pac-Man was supposed to represent all of Namco? I actually don't think I remember ever seeing people take that sentiment so far, I always took it more as him just being the ambassador for "old-school" Namco. So like, we might still get Tekken or Tales, but not so much, like, Dig Dug or Druaga or whathaveyou. That's the impression I always had anyways
I was generalizing a bit just to emphasize that it’s silly to dismiss other options under the guise of Terry being somewhat of a collective company mascot. The sentiment with Pac-Man was and still is mostly that he carries old-school Namco arcade stuff on his shoulders. But for a bit when it seemed like Tekken was off the table, people started to lose hope and figure Namco might just be stuck with their mascot, or that they were being humble or something. It wasn’t a super widely understood sentiment but it struck me as similarly a bit dismissive.
For Ultimate, Terry was basically representing the whole company. But yes, there's nothing to say it would have to remain that way. Even if he showed up first with all the content he brought to Ultimate, obviously Metal Slug and SamSho have additional content. They're whole ass series, and what we have right now are a few songs. It reminds me of when people said a character like Waluigi or BWD couldn't be DLC because how would they make a whole pack around them, as if we were out of Mario and Kirby content.
I see where you're coming from, but I think Pac-Man was, if anything, more a retro Namco ambassador. His roulette had a few later references like Don-Chan and Katamari, but he didn't come representing much past the 80s, including in his series' own content. Not like he showed up with Tales, Tekken, SoulCalibur, Dark Souls, Xenosaga, Klonoa, etc (I know the former two later got costumes). Even the music medleys were decidedly retro.
People started to count Tekken out after Heihachi's costume, but it was never really the case that there was some prevailing belief Namco would never expand past Pac-Man.
I do think this is selling Metal Slug a bit short. I’ll certainly give you SamSho, which is why I’m not all that confident in it happening in the first place, but I think Metal Slug’s notoriety is at least pretty comparable to King of Fighters in my experience. It’s definitely one of the more well established run and gun styled games if they want to tackle a character like that, the series has a fairly substantial number of entries too. And just a really strong identity that sells it pretty quickly and comes off instantly recognizable.
Just follow the 2B appearances to find crossover games lol
Im still waiting on the next SRW game to be announced, the last major thing they've done with the series was in 2022, ever since the series made the jump to hd development they've put one out every 2 years or so so the next one should be getting announced any day now.
I'll keep dreaming for that Super Robot Wars USA spin-off.
I recently learned about a game called Inverse Ninjas vs. The Public Domain. That's... kind of a crossover, I think.
I haven't played SRW, but yeah, it seems like it hasn't released anything for awhile, yeah.
On foot, I feel like they have too much overlap with Bill Rizer/Lance Bean, whome I also want.
I hated the Landmaster FS. So I would not like that.
I'm hoping Mai is playable in City of the Wolves. And if so, her redesign is something that causes less issues.
With your interests in mind, fair enough. I'm a big Contra fan too, so I'd be pretty happy about that even though I think I prefer Marco / Fio these days.
2 main reasons.
Then why didn't he come with a Crystalis song?! There's an NES Athena song FFS!
I agree. Smash DOES need Baiken.
Is Crystalis part of the SNK shared universe, or whatever it's called? That might explain it.
I assume it's in the same category as Alpha Mission. Which also got a song with Terry.
A western non-indie that isn't from MS or Ubisoft. Edit: Or Epic.
While I get the general sentiment, I feel like randomly throwing Mario Kart into the mix is a pretty poor example (unless you meant to say Smash Bros.?)
Anyone from a free to play game. Such as Fortnite, the many mobile gacha games, etc.
Any character from TF2.
It's funny because the only way I picture Valve being forced to acknowledge TF2's bot crisis is if Sakurai approaches them to add TF2 content into Smash lol (I would imagine him trying to join a game only to be constantly headshotted by spinning aimbot Snipers while listening to omegatronics blast loud music over voice chat would not make the best first impression of the game)
no one at this point. smash lot the surprise element
So something like a Mass Effect or Boderlands rep?
I do have a feeling we're getting a Genshin Impact, Apex Legends or League of Legends rep next game tbh, not sure about Fortnite, but i'd say it's up there too.
Idk, if they added Sheldon from Splatoon or a Rean from Trails, i'd be suprised lol.
i don't know who rean is. would sheldon really be surprising?
Tangentially related take, but if the Smash series were to go on, one thing I'd like to see is a more modern format for character customisation when it comes to costumes, alts, and so forth. Here's an (edited) mockup I threw together a while back;
Essentially...
- You select a "costume" and a "colour" seperately.
- Each "costume" can have minor unique elements as needed beyond just a different model - things like voicelines, appearances of attacks, and victory animations could change too. This wouldn't change gameplay elements, though - that's reserved for echo fighters.
- Obviously some of these costumes would be entirely different characters, some would be alternate costumes... and some could literally just be made up for the sake of looking cool, or references to entirely other things.
- Each "costume" also has 12 default alts designed by the dev team with different references in mind - or just to look cool. In this example, Mario's "Modern" costume has a Fire Mario alt.
- Additionally, they'd have four more custom alts you could put together with a colour wheel. For each character, it wouldn't go much deeper than just being able to select a "colour" prominent on them and change it - so for Mario, you could change the blue of his overalls, the red of his shirt and hat, and maybe his skintone. (This works as a form of customisation that wouldn't need moderation, so you don't need to worry about Mario calling you a slur every time he does a forward smash or something.)
This would go really hard, honestly. One additional thing I'd recommend - y'know how when characters walk or run in Mementos, there's that effect around their feet? I think it'd be cool for Dark Link to have a unique thing where when running or walking, he has a splashing water effect around his feet - as in, calling back to his boss fight in Ocarina of Time. I can't imagine it'd cause too many headaches balance-wise, right?
Dark Link: "You fight on an endless ocean one time and suddenly they decide your socks should always be wet!"
