Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[SPEN18]

characters have had wildly different designs throughout their different incarnations,

Here's one: middle aged dad Isaac from GS Dark Dawn. I think if Isaac were to get in, he'd be in his classic design but if there were a GS sequel released that features older Isaac, I could see that bearded version as an alt.

 

[BritishGuy54]

Any hopes/predictions for this year’s February Direct?

Maybe we get Mario Wonder DLC. I’m not holding my hopes too high since Odyssey never got DLC, but Mario U did…

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Master Chief (Halo)
Agumon (Digimon) Butter-fly and Brave heart in Smash would be rad

I wish Pokemon had it's anime soundtrack, man.

Post 40000!!!

Who's your most wanted character now! Is it still the same for Ultimate?

My most wanted was Sora and i ended up getting him, now i just gotta hope he comes back.

 

[Gengar84]

I wish Pokemon had it's anime soundtrack, man.


My most wanted was Sora and i ended up getting him, now i just gotta hope he comes back.

Seeing as Sora was the number one ballot winner, I think they’re going to do everything within reason to bring him back so I think there’s a pretty good chance.

 

[Louie G.]

Seeing as Sora was the number one ballot winner, I think they’re going to do everything within reason to bring him back so I think there’s a pretty good chance.

I anticipate that Sora will return, but unfortunately as one of the first post-release DLC. Maybe even in kind of a Mewtwo situation where they assure everyone that he's on the way really early on. I just don't have a lot of faith in the powers that be to lend him over without the extra DLC incentive.

Maybe they could even bring Roxas along if they want something fresh to ship him out with? But yeah, I agree that Sora is going to be considered an important commodity moving forward I just don't think it will be feasible to bring him back immediately.

 

[Gengar84]

I anticipate that Sora will return, but unfortunately as one of the first post-release DLC. Maybe even in kind of a Mewtwo situation where they assure everyone that he's on the way really early on. I just don't have a lot of faith in the powers that be to lend him over without the extra DLC incentive.

Maybe they could even bring Roxas along if they want something fresh to ship him out with? But yeah, I agree that Sora is going to be considered an important commodity moving forward I just don't think it will be feasible to bring him back immediately.

Ideally, we get Sora back in the base game and either Ansem or Xemnas as DLC. I’m not really holding out too much hope for that but I’ve always really liked the two and it’s always fun to have more playable villains. You’re probably right that Sora as an early DLC like Mewtwo in Smash 4 might be the most likely.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I wish Pokemon had it's anime soundtrack, man.

Japanese Music? (Original) or American Music? (4Kids)

 

[Stratos]

I wish Pokemon had it's anime soundtrack, man.

Japanese Music? (Original) or American Music? (4Kids)

I would definitely choose the Japanese music.

 

[Gengar84]

I would definitely choose the Japanese music.

I think we at least need the original English anime opening if we’re going to get songs from the anime. I think that song is too iconic to leave out assuming that they can get the rights. I’ll also take “Double Trouble” from the 2BA Master album.

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[DarthEnderX]

We get Ultimate Deluxe in 2040 then.

No, you get Ultimate Deluxe in 2024, and then 16 years of Fighters Passes.

Yes it would. It's literally the only reason Budokai Tenkaichi games can have their massive rosters.

Except no. Because the Naruto Ninja Storm games have almost as many characters, and not nearly as many clones.

Just because DB doesn't do it without being lazy doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

[Gengar84]

No, you get Ultimate Deluxe in 2024, and then 16 years of Fighters Passes.

I’ll take that. As long as they also continue to add other types of content like new or improved game modes, that’s all I need.

 

[Will]

No, you get Ultimate Deluxe in 2024, and then 16 years of Fighters Passes.

Please dex I’m begging you I don’t want the balloon knockback to come back

 

[Arcanir]

No, you get Ultimate Deluxe in 2024, and then 16 years of Fighters Passes.

Considering DLC costs, I'd rather not pay like 10x the original price just to add to a decade and a half old game. That money us better spent elsewhere.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I think we at least need the original English anime opening if we’re going to get songs from the anime. I think that song is too iconic to leave out assuming that they can get the rights. I’ll also take “Double Trouble” from the 2BA Master album.

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The Poké Rap is more iconic.

Imagine fighting with this song in the background.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Considering DLC costs, I'd rather not pay like 10x the original price just to add to a decade and a half old game. That money us better spent elsewhere.

Yeah, I may have considered the idea of a "Booster Fighter Pass" not being impossible, but I do not want to spend $500 on SSBU.

Just because DB doesn't do it without being lazy doesn't mean it can't be done.

Fighting game devs are usually only able to make 25 characters' worth of animations in 2 years. You really need to learn a damn thing about game development.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Considering DLC costs, I'd rather not pay like 10x the original price just to add to a decade and a half old game.

You'd rather spend 10x the original price on "new" games that just bring back 80% of the same characters over and over instead?

I'll gladly pay for more new characters instead of some barely noticeable changes to a gameplay I'm already satisfied with.

Fighting game devs are usually only able to make 25 characters' worth of animations in 2 years. You really need to learn a damn thing about game development.

Did you mean to say 2-5? Cause if not, lol, I'm not the one that doesn't know anything.

You don't know any more about than I do, you're not able to separate what's actually possible, with what you see certain franchises do while trying to cut corners.

But being cheap as **** is not a necessity, it's just the norm. You could expect more, but you've let yourself be trained not to.

 

[Gengar84]

Yeah, I may have considered the idea of a "Booster Fighter Pass" not being impossible, but I do not want to spend $500 on SSBU.

Fighting game devs are usually only able to make 25 characters' worth of animations in 2 years. You really need to learn a damn thing about game development.

The problem is if we get a brand new game and don’t bring everyone back, they’ll presumably sell cut veterans back to us as DLC like they did in Smash 4. I don’t really like the idea of paying for the same character twice. Building onto Ultimate instead means we’re only paying for new content.

Let’s say the new game gives us 10 newcomers in the base game and costs $60-70. For the same price, we get two Fighters Passes with the same amount of newcomers. The biggest difference is further Ultimate DLC doesn’t also come with a bunch of cut veterans. After that point, we’re paying the same for further DLC whether we get a new game or not.

 

[Sucumbio]

Some games, shoot I've spent a lot over the years, like for Super Mario Bros. I think the first purchase was a used copy of the NES game, then got it for Wii VC, WiiU also, now monthly with NSO... In fact I'd say of all the months I've payed for NSO I may have spent 6 hours playing all the various libraries lol Nintendo makes money.

But yeah the biggest drawback I see is no console would last that long so invariably you end up having to release a new game at least that often.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, I may have considered the idea of a "Booster Fighter Pass" not being impossible, but I do not want to spend $500 on SSBU.

$500 of SSBU DLC is 100 new characters. I couldn't swipe right on that fast enough

The problem is if we get a brand new game and don’t bring everyone back, they’ll presumably sell cut veterans back to us as DLC like they did in Smash 4. I don’t really like the idea of paying for the same character twice. Building onto Ultimate instead means we’re only paying for new content.

Let’s say the new game gives us 10 newcomers in the base game and costs $60-70. For the same price, we get two Fighters Passes with the same amount of newcomers. The biggest difference is further Ultimate DLC doesn’t also come with a bunch of cut veterans. After that point, we’re paying the same for further DLC whether we get a new game or not.

But yeah the biggest drawback I see is no console would last that long so invariably you end up having to release a new game at least that often.

Smash Ultimate Triple Deluxe!

 

[Guynamednelson]

Building onto Ultimate instead means we’re only paying for new content.

What if Ultimate DX is somehow actually possible? You'd have to pay for all the old content again. And I really, really doubt Nintendo is going to give you a discount for owning SSBU, let alone giving you the whole update for free.

 

[Gengar84]

What if Ultimate DX is somehow actually possible? You'd have to pay for all the old content again. And I really, really doubt Nintendo is going to give you a discount for owning SSBU, let alone giving you the whole update for free.

What if they don’t bother with the DX and just keep adding content to the current game? If Switch 2 is backwards compatible, there’s no reason they can’t do that. I think Mario Kart 8 DX was only necessary because the Switch wasn’t backwards compatible with the Wii U. It ended up working really well for Nintendo with record sales but it wouldn’t have been necessary if Switch was backwards compatible itself.

 

[Guynamednelson]

What if they don’t bother with the DX and just keep adding content to the current game. If Switch 2 is backwards compatible, there’s no reason they can’t do that.

I'm not betting on backwards compatibility being an excuse to not make SSB6. Nintendo wants to make money, and DLC is never as profitable as base games are.

 

[CannonStreak]

What if they don’t bother with the DX and just keep adding content to the current game. If Switch 2 is backwards compatible, there’s no reason they can’t do that.

Maybe if there was some way to link the new game and Ultimate, and transfer characters from Ultimate to the new game like Pokémon Red/Blue and Gold/Silver, I would be okay with this, but I don’t see that happening.

 

[Arcanir]

You'd rather spend 10x the original price on "new" games that just bring back 80% of the same characters over and over instead?

I'll gladly pay for more new characters instead of some barely noticeable changes to a gameplay I'm already satisfied with.

Firstly, at best it'd be around 2x as Smash only comes out once per console generation, even with potential DLC in mind that's still far cheaper.

Secondly, yes, because it's a new game that will bring its own set of new modes, changes, updates and the like that not even DLC can always provide. Additionally, the time frame we're talking about is enough for two console generations so such a Smash would miss out on properly updating to the new system and evolving with the changing times. The game and franchise as a whole will eventually start feeling outdated because it's not being allowed to grow with the changing gaming landscape, which will make it stand out increasingly poorly compared to other franchises like Mario, Zelda, and the like who would be allowed to get new games and evolve further.

Smash is more than its roster, it's a nice thing, but it's not worth stagnating the series in every other way just to preserve it. Particularly when the asking price for such a thing gets increasingly high with all the DLC that would be added on to it in this hypothetical scenario.

 

[Guynamednelson]

$500 of SSBU DLC is 100 new characters. I couldn't swipe right on that fast enough

Too bad, most people would swipe left no matter how you slice it, because most gamers only want to spend $60 or less on a single game. Even in the age where DLC and microtransactions are everywhere, it's usually a small minority of players who waste their life savings on them.

 

[Gengar84]

Firstly, at best it'd be 2x as Smash only comes out once per console generation, even with potential DLC in mind that's still far cheaper.

Secondly, yes, because it's a new game that will bring its own set of new modes, changes, updates and the like that not even DLC can always provide. Additionally, the time frame we're talking about is enough for two console generations so such a Smash would miss out on properly updating to the new system and evolving with the changing times. The game and franchise as a whole will eventually start feeling outdated because it's not being allowed to grow with the changing gaming landscape, which will make it stand out increasingly poorly compared to other franchises like Mario, Zelda, ad the like who would be allowed to get new games and evolve further.

Smash is more than its roster, it's a nice thing, but it's not worth stagnating the series in every other way just to preserve it. Particularly when the asking price for such a thing gets increasingly high with all the DLC that would be added on to it in this hypothetical scenario.

Keep in mind that Ultimate did add new modes as DLC in the beginning. Stage Builder and Home Run Contest weren’t present at launch. They don’t have to limit new content to just characters and stages.

 

[Louie G.]

I really don't want to retread this extremely tired, circular conversation again but I just have to acknowledge that we're just exacerbating the issue further and further into the future. Eventually we reach a dead end and we need to make a new game with an altered roster. However long we want to kick this can down the road, we will eventually hit the point where this is no longer sustainable. If Smash maintains its traditional model, that is. Or, Smash just dies I guess.

I actually don't think it'd be such a bad idea to just keep expanding on the existing game for this next console cycle, but I personally don't think that's going to happen. Ultimate DX is double not gonna happen because we are not gonna be able to renew all of those licenses for base game. Although I think what you guys want if you endorse Ultimate being updated for another decade is for Smash to become a live service game... if that's what you want, all power to you. I've accepted that we gotta move on eventually and I highly recommend everyone else does too.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Here’s a question, if one of your most wanted characters have had wildly different designs throughout their different incarnations, is there a particular design you want to see or does it not matter much as long as you get the character?

Hayabusa - Modern Falcon armor design
Bill/Lance - Operation Galuga designs
Kunio/Riki - Box art designs of the NES/3DS era games

Going into Ultimate, it was Simon. After that, at some point during DLC, it became Ryu Hayabusa.

Eventually, I started having more MWs, such as Billy and Jimmy Lee, Doom Slayer, and Kunio and Riki.

 

[CannonStreak]

I really don't want to retread this extremely tired, circular conversation again but I just have to acknowledge that we're just exacerbating the issue further and further into the future. Eventually we reach a dead end and we need to make a new game with an altered roster. However long we want to kick this can down the road, we will eventually hit the point where this is no longer sustainable. If Smash maintains its traditional model, that is.

I actually don't think it'd be such a bad idea to just keep expanding on the existing game for this next console cycle, but I personally don't think that's going to happen. Ultimate DX is double not gonna happen because we are not gonna be able to renew all of those licenses for base game. Although I think what you guys want if you endorse Ultimate being updated for another decade is for Smash to become a live service game... if that's what you want, all power to you. I've accepted that we gotta move on eventually and I highly recommend everyone else does too.

Yes, and like I said, the Wii U was a less successful console than the Switch. That is part of why Mario Kart 8 got a deluxe version for the Switch in the first place. It is not needed for Ultimate.

 

[Gengar84]

Yes, and like I said, the Wii U was a less successful console than the Switch. That is part of why Mario Kart 8 got a deluxe version for the Switch in the first place. It is not needed for Ultimate.

Yeah, I feel like a deluxe version is the least likely option. If Switch 2 is backwards compatible, there pretty much no reason for it to exist. I’m thinking the most likely option is a normal new entry with a few cuts but nothing crazy and a base roster about the size of Ultimate’s base. The other option is to just keep adding to Ultimate without needing to make a new game or DX port at all. While this is probably less likely, it makes a lot of sense and I don’t think it’s impossible.

 

[Guynamednelson]

it makes a lot of sense

Not from a financial standpoint. It's impossible for it to be as profitable as a new Smash whether it's Ultimate DX or Smash 6, since only a small number of people who buy a game will buy each and every piece of DLC for it.

 

[CannonStreak]

Yeah, I feel like a deluxe version is the least likely option. If Switch 2 is backwards compatible, there pretty much no reason for it to exist. I’m thinking the most likely option is a normal new entry with a few cuts but nothing crazy and a base roster about the size of Ultimate’s base. The other option is to just keep adding to Ultimate without needing to make a new game or DX port at all. While this is probably less likely, it makes a lot of sense and I don’t think it’s impossible.

Yeah, that said, I’d rather have an all new game than continue an old one. Louie G. already posted a good reason why continuing Ultimate is a bad idea.

 

[Gengar84]

Not from a financial standpoint. It's impossible for it to be as profitable as a new Smash whether it's Ultimate DX or Smash 6, since only a small number of people who buy a game will buy each and every piece of DLC for it.

I suppose that’s true. I think it works out a lot better financially for the fans since they wouldn’t have to pay for redundant content but that means Nintendo wouldn’t make that money selling it back to us. I think with exciting enough reveals and new modes, it would drive interest enough to make up for that. If they’re just continuing with the same game, they’d presumably save a ton of money having to negotiate for bringing back all the third party veterans.

For the record, I do realize that a standard new entry is a good possibility and I can live with that if it happens. I just think it’s going to be a challenge to get excited if I know my favorites aren’t returning.

 

[Guynamednelson]

If they’re just continuing with the same game, they’d presumably save a ton of money having to negotiate for bringing back all the third party veterans.

I'm sure they have to renew licenses for third-party characters at some point even to keep selling SSBU. Part of the reason why I was considering a "Booster Fighter Pass" was that someone at either Nintendo or the license holders might find it more interesting to renew the licenses to keep Zero/Alucard/Lloyd/etc. in the game if it was to make them fighters.

 

[Ivander]

Look, I really love the roster that Ultimate has brought us, but a good roster can't do much if the replayability is subpar. Like I said, most of the modes are fun the first time through, but they are not fun to replay. Doesn't help that there's no Boss Rush mode that allows you to pick a character you want to fight them with.

Man, I miss Smash Run and the Mooks you can fight. Even if they don't bring back Smash Run, bringing back the Mooks and using them as parts of Spirit Battles Classic Mode, special World of Light platforming sections similar to Cuphead, have them potentially invade the Smash Battles similar to the enemies in Melee, etc, would make those modes more replayable. Heck, even a Gauntlet/Tower-like mode where you continuously fight against Mooks and Bosses on Smash stages until you are defeated would be great. Fight against Mooks every 9 stages than fight an Assist Trophy or Boss every 10 stages? Sign me up.

Like I absolutely love Smash Ultimate's roster, but I want to do more than just rely on Smash Battles only for my Replayability. That's part of why I have issue with an Ultimate Deluxe is because aside from additional characters, I don't think it would bring more in other content that it honestly needs.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Firstly, at best it'd be around 2x as Smash only comes out once per console generation, even with potential DLC in mind that's still far cheaper.

16 years is a MINIMUM of 2 core games. With at least 2 DLC seasons each, you're already at 4x. And that's if there aren't more DLCs or a 3rd console during that period. And, like Gengar84 said, with new games alot of that DLC will just be returning character.

You're spending all that money just rebuying old ****.

Secondly, yes, because it's a new game that will bring its own set of new modes, changes, updates and the like that not even DLC can always provide.

Except for the part where Ultimate added new modes alongside it's DLC.

Too bad, most people would swipe left no matter how you slice it, because most gamers only want to spend $60 or less on a single game.

Every successful gatcha game is proof you're wrong.

Countless people spend $500 on crappy random jpegs of characters nobody has heard of. People will GLADLY pay that much for fully playable iconic characters in one of the world's most popular games.


Every single time you say something is impossible, it's something that some other, less successful game already does.

 

[CannonStreak]

Let's try changing the subject...again.

What third party, Japanese only characters would you like to see as playables in the next Smash Bros. if they were to get in?

 

[Gorgonzales]

Any hopes/predictions for this year’s February Direct?

pikmin 4 dlc that adds a toggle for autolock (and ideally also a toggle for other characters butting in with annoying handholdy quips during gameplay), as well as more dandori challenges or maybe something bigger

 

[Gengar84]

Yeah, I think the point I made about DLC not having to be limited to just Fighter’s Passes got lost in the shuffle. I agree that Smash is really lacking in great single player modes but those can be added later as well, in the cases of Ultimate’s Stage Builder and Home Run Contest. We just need more stuff like that going forward. I’d love a $30 expansion that is just a SSE like adventure mode. Everything I want in a new game can just as easily be added to Ultimate as additional content. I don’t think that’s what’s going to happen but it’s what I’d most like to see.

 

[Perkilator]

Re: SSBU DX

I still think it should be a DLC expansion with 11 new characters (3 of them Echoes) and a handful of new modes.

Let's try changing the subject...again.

What third party, Japanese only characters would you like to see as playables in the next Smash Bros. if they were to get in?

I’m confused by the meaning of “third party, Japanese only”. Do you mean third party characters originating from Japan or third party characters exclusive to Japan?