Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Scoliosis Jones]

My main problem with the idea that DLC will only attract new audiences is that it completely destroys any excuse for how little effort was put into the base game by comparison. By sacrificing new content for all veterans, they nerfed the newcomer rate for the base game. But now they've spent more time on the DLC than the release window of the game, and that feels blatantly unfair to what they could have added from the start. And that's just for newcomer speculation. Going back to unpopular opinions, I maintain that Ultimate's base game was not all that decently put together, and would be remarkably close to being as unmemorable as 4 if not for a few advantages.

I'm not even inherently saying you're wrong, but I know why many of us won't want to admit that. I've waited 8 years for a new character from Kirby and I definitely won't be happy if I have to wait longer. I'm sure there's a possibility we're stuck with the three characters we have as long as Sakurai's directing; but the idea nothing can be done destroys people.

I’m not sure that I agree with the idea that base game had “little work” put into it.

While we had the smallest newcomer batch in Smash history, we also had...Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Young Link, Pichu, Wolf, a revamped “story mode”, nearly 1,000 unique battles for Spirits, revamped stages from 3DS and older titles (nearly 300 stages with battlefield and omega forms) nearly 1,000 music tracks...not to mention “thousands” of small gameplay/balancing changes that Sakurai mentioned in the E3 reveal. “Content” goes waaaaaaaay beyond newcomers.

I mean, Ultimate is arguably one of the best balanced fighting games out there, which is unheard of for a game with roughly 80+ characters.

All of which was only possible because Smash Wii U was used as a base, allowing for much of the time to be spent bringing those characters back, who were mind you, incredibly highly requested at the time.

While it’s your opinion and you’re not wrong for it, you’re saying you would trade away requested characters in exchange for...the requested character that you want, or at least you’re not satisfied with the highly requested characters we got. Again, that’s your opinion...but I think it’s a tad unfair to say base game wasn’t a quality experience.

I can understand being disappointed with not having your most wanted in, but if you feel “destroyed” by it, you might want to consider taking a break.

 

[SneakyLink]

Tomorrow (or today depending on your time zone), we finally get Challenger Pack 7:

※スマブラの画面です

お待たせしました。いよいよ明日配信です!! pic.twitter.com/Gso2l3pJ8O

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 13, 2020

So who is ready to talk about Challenger Pack 8?

 

[Shroob]

Tomorrow (or today depending on your time zone), we finally get Challenger Pack 7:

※スマブラの画面です

お待たせしました。いよいよ明日配信です!! pic.twitter.com/Gso2l3pJ8O

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 13, 2020

So who is ready to talk about Challenger Pack 8?

That's what we've been doing since October 1st.


Hell, I'm seeing people think it'll drop NEXT MONTH.

 

[Dr. Yatagarasu]

That's what we've been doing since October 1st.


Hell, I'm seeing people think it'll drop NEXT MONTH.

Would it really be smash speculation without completely unreasonable, wishful thinking?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Tomorrow (or today depending on your time zone), we finally get Challenger Pack 7:

※スマブラの画面です

お待たせしました。いよいよ明日配信です!! pic.twitter.com/Gso2l3pJ8O

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 13, 2020

Imagine telling someone 5 years ago this was a Smash screenshot

this still feels surreal lol

 

[PLATINUM7]

That's what we've been doing since October 1st.


Hell, I'm seeing people think it'll drop NEXT MONTH.

Would it really be smash speculation without completely unreasonable, wishful thinking?

CP8 tomorrow, right after Steve.

I can feel it.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

That's what we've been doing since October 1st.


Hell, I'm seeing people think it'll drop NEXT MONTH.

How? Sakurai has dropped multiple hints that he's been having trouble getting meetings to happen, and the next fighter is the most likely to have been affected by that. If anything, the next fighter could be the longest wait of them all, besides Min Min.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

November is wishful thinking for FP8. Earliest I can see is December, expecting January though.

So who is ready to talk about Challenger Pack 8?

Hold your horses. People still has to play Steve for at least a week before we finally move on.

 

[Shroob]

How? Sakurai has dropped multiple hints that he's been having trouble getting meetings to happen, and the next fighter is the most likely to have been affected by that. If anything, the next fighter could be the longest wait of them all, besides Min Min.

I seriously doubt they will.


I've already done the math but Min Min was revealed 88 days after her teaser in March.

Steve was revealed 101 days after Min Min, but the delayed tournaments and news 100% confirms he was held back to line up with the week of Minecon, otherwise he would have been slightly earlier than Min Min.


I know there's abit of pessimism about when the characters will come out, but frankly speaking, the 2nd FP has only been roughly 2 weeks-a month longer than FP1 so far.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If were basing on when to get the next character on days. We should get the next one sometime in late January as that hits the 100 day mark.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Would it really be smash speculation without completely unreasonable, wishful thinking?

Ah, it's good to be back...

begins crying in corner The ride never ends...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Besides too. We all know why Steve had taken so long being the most complex character to date. I don't think there'll be another complex character like him.

 

[Louie G.]

I'm pretty sure we'll just see the next character at the VGAs. It's a reasonable time frame between characters and I feel like the only reason they didn't do it last year was because the character was... well, you know.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm pretty sure we'll just see the next character at the VGAs. It's a reasonable time frame between characters and I feel like the only reason they didn't do it last year was because the character was... well, you know.

I wouldnt hold your breath tbh.

A reminder that Joker being revealed was a last minute decision. Still expecting a January reveal and release.

 

[Louie G.]

I wouldnt hold your breath tbh.

A reminder that Joker being revealed was a last minute decision. Still expecting a January reveal and release.

I'm not holding my breath, it's just my throwaway prediction. If it's January so be it, I've waited longer and I have other things going on anyway.

Any source on Joker being a last minute decision? First time I'm hearing that, and nothing stopping them from doing it again. But I'm not really willing to get into a deep conversation about this until Steve releases at least lmao.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Tomorrow (or today depending on your time zone), we finally get Challenger Pack 7:

※スマブラの画面です

お待たせしました。いよいよ明日配信です!! pic.twitter.com/Gso2l3pJ8O

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 13, 2020

So who is ready to talk about Challenger Pack 8?

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Whoever added Bomberman to this pic should've picked a more neutral pose. And let's not talk about the Vault Boy they used.

 

[Shroob]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Whoever added Bomberman to this pic should've picked a more neutral pose. And let's not talk about the Vault Boy they used.

That Vault Boy is several layers of disturbing.

 

[SirBillyBob]

So it seems in order to celebrate the Crown Tundra coming out, Nintendo is doing a rerun of the Pokemon event in Tetris 99:

Celebrate the launch of The Crown Tundra in the #PokemonSwordShieldEX on 10/22 with another chance to earn a returning #Tetris99 theme! pic.twitter.com/d4vMCRC4nF

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) October 13, 2020

You know what else could reuse content previously added? My mom!! A gen 8 Pokemon and the Post release spirits. Just some food for thought.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I wouldn’t count on the VGAs having a Smash reveal. It is possible, but I think Joker was only there because the VGAs happened mere hours before Ultimate launched. That was perfect marketing.

Another random week in January is the safe bet. That’s not too long of a wait especially with all the games & consoles coming out soon, as well as the holidays!

I’m playing through FF7 Remake & I wonder if this game’s soundtrack has the same rights issues as the original. There’s so many bangers in this game that I’d love in Smash. Some people would probably be mad at another FF7 character being the next Square rep, but Tifa would be so cool.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I don’t EXPECT a whole lot from TGA this year but damn am I hoping it’s at least 10x better than last years. Last years was a major oof.

 

[Shroob]

I don’t EXPECT a whole lot from TGA this year but damn am I hoping it’s at least 10x better than last years. Last years was a major oof.

Man, last year was just funny though.


"Look at the UNGREATFUL Smash fans saying that the TGAs sucked!"

"...man maybe we're saying it sucked cause it had ****ing Green Day and ended on goddamn Fast and Furious?"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So... y'know how Nintendo of America tweeted that "Fall 2021" amiibo graphic, and then deleted it? Turns out... Nintendo of Canada tweeted the same thing on the exact same day... and the tweet is still up.

New Super Smash Bros. series #amiibo will be arriving 2021! Get collecting with the Banjo & Kazooie amiibo figure, be the teacher’s pet with the Byleth amiibo figure, and serve up a burn knuckle sandwich with the Terry amiibo! pic.twitter.com/cmOH2CioO5

— Nintendo of Canada (@NintendoCanada) October 5, 2020

This thing keeps on getting stranger and stranger. This isn't limbo anymore... this is... ADVANCED LIMBO.

NoA deleted the tweet solely to make Smash fans suffer confirmed.


Also, as for the CastleVania discussion, Simon was a character people requested forever ago and I think the 34 songs and simplistic moveset makes it seem like he's been here since Brawl.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Whoever added Bomberman to this pic should've picked a more neutral pose. And let's not talk about the Vault Boy they used.

Mom: "We already have Vault Boy at home"
The Vault Boy at home:

 

[Banado_Boy]

So it seems in order to celebrate the Crown Tundra coming out, Nintendo is doing a rerun of the Pokemon event in Tetris 99:

Celebrate the launch of The Crown Tundra in the #PokemonSwordShieldEX on 10/22 with another chance to earn a returning #Tetris99 theme! pic.twitter.com/d4vMCRC4nF

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) October 13, 2020

You know what else could reuse content previously added? My mom!! A gen 8 Pokemon and the Post release spirits. Just some food for thought.

Interesting... Wonder what are the chances of a Crown Tundra spirit event happening soon...

Also, unrelated to Smash, but it's been a while since Tetris 99's had a Top 999 Maximus Cup. Really miss those.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Man, last year was just funny though.


"Look at the UNGREATFUL Smash fans saying that the TGAs sucked!"

"...man maybe we're saying it sucked cause it had ****ing Green Day and ended on goddamn Fast and Furious?"

**** on Fast and Furious all you want. Even **** on Chvrches. Maybe even **** on Geoff or Sekiro winning goty. But dude, Green Day was the best part of that show.

 

[latsmash]

I still think about the 2018 Game Awards to this very day, such a banger showcase. Mortal Kombat 11 was revealed, Dead Cells won an award, the RDR2 song being performed, Joker in smash. In comparison 2019 was such a massive letdown, and I don't expect much from 2020's either.

 

[Shroob]

** on Fast and Furious all you want. Even ** on Chvrches. Maybe even **** on Geoff or Sekiro winning goty. But dude, Green Day was the best part of that show.

Maybe if I was a teenager again.


All it did was make me feel like an American idiot. Left me walking down a boulevard of broken dreams.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Interesting... Wonder what are the chances of a Crown Tundra spirit event happening soon...

Also, unrelated to Smash, but it's been a while since Tetris 99's had a Top 999 Maximus Cup. Really miss those.

Oh god oh **** getting a Spirit event for Crown Tundra but not Isle of Armour practically cements Urshifu as a lock in the eyes of many, causing people to complain about Pokemon getting 11 characters, Pokemon fans complaining that Urshifu isn't Pokemon-y enough and pro players complaining when it's gimmick is ignoring shields to be true to the games

 

[CHAMPIONX9]

That Vault Boy is several layers of disturbing.

Thanks friend.

 

[Shroob]

Thanks friend.

You monster

 

[DevaAshera]

I’m not sure that I agree with the idea that base game had “little work” put into it.

While we had the smallest newcomer batch in Smash history, we also had...Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Young Link, Pichu, Wolf, a revamped “story mode”, nearly 1,000 unique battles for Spirits, revamped stages from 3DS and older titles (nearly 300 stages with battlefield and omega forms) nearly 1,000 music tracks...not to mention “thousands” of small gameplay/balancing changes that Sakurai mentioned in the E3 reveal. “Content” goes waaaaaaaay beyond newcomers.

I mean, Ultimate is arguably one of the best balanced fighting games out there, which is unheard of for a game with roughly 80+ characters.

All of which was only possible because Smash Wii U was used as a base, allowing for much of the time to be spent bringing those characters back, who were mind you, incredibly highly requested at the time.

While it’s your opinion and you’re not wrong for it, you’re saying you would trade away requested characters in exchange for...the requested character that you want, or at least you’re not satisfied with the highly requested characters we got. Again, that’s your opinion...but I think it’s a tad unfair to say base game wasn’t a quality experience.

I can understand being disappointed with not having your most wanted in, but if you feel “destroyed” by it, you might want to consider taking a break.

I completely agree..the amount of content in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is staggering! The fact anyone could call it 'lazy' is just..amazing. Ludicrous, but amazing.
And, lets be honest, had 'Everyone Is Here' not been a thing, even if we would have gotten more newcomers, we also would have likely gotten veterans like Snake & Wolf as DLC instead of every DLC character being a brand new character with a brand new stage.

I'm happier having everyone from the previous games return, and no cuts, than I would be for some random newcomers that I may not have even liked in the first place.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So who is ready to talk about Challenger Pack 8?

I think everyone was talking about Challenger Pack 8 before Steve was even announced lol!

 

[BlondeLombax]

I completely agree..the amount of content in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is staggering! The fact anyone could call it 'lazy' is just..amazing. Ludicrous, but amazing.
And, lets be honest, had 'Everyone Is Here' not been a thing, even if we would have gotten more newcomers, we also would have likely gotten veterans like Snake & Wolf as DLC instead of every DLC character being a brand new character with a brand new stage.

I'm happier having everyone from the previous games return, and no cuts, than I would be for some random newcomers that I may not have even liked in the first place.

If I may; plenty of the fighters and stages skipped over one, two, or even three whole games, meaning that Sakurai's team most likely had to remake a lot of them entirely from scratch. Stages like Brinstar Depths and Saffron City, for example. It's just cathartic to have so much stuff back.

 

[Polan]

when is steverino launching. just wanna know

 

[Cutie Gwen]

when is steverino launching. just wanna know

He should launch in like 18 hours

 

[Koopaul]

Anyone else think we're not going to get another Pokémon?

 

[Lamperouge]

Anyone else think we're not going to get another Pokémon?

I sure hope that's the case.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Anyone else think we're not going to get another Pokémon?

I'm 60/40 on the chances for a Gen 8 Pokemon. Seems to me that Game Freak and The Pokemon Company really only do Nintendo-wide crossovers on sufferance.

 

[BlondeLombax]

So I’ve been listening to and playing (mostly listening to) a metric ton of You Don’t Know Jack, and I’ve been brainstorming; how could that franchise be represented in Smash? Just a shower thought.

 

[Peeton]

I sure hope that's the case.

Me too. I just hope if there has to be another one, that they’re really cool. I really hope it’s not one of the starters, they’re definitely my least favorite bunch of starters. I dropped my starter from my team when it just evolved into thwacky. They’re all boring. Drum gorilla, okay. Skinny salamander, alright... Soccer (football) bunny? Bizarre. Gen 7’s starters were way better even though I didn’t really like primarina