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Well I do anyway. Video games that are based on a non-video game property are part of that property, not an original video game.
But Kingdom Hearts IS a video game IP. Saying Sora doesn't count because he's Disney is like saying Android 21 is first and foremost a Toei character and Dragon Ball second
So is Jump Force. But it's made up of non-video game manga properties, with a couple original characters. Those original characters wouldn't be considered "video game characters". They're just OCs in a manga game.
It's actually the exact opposite of that, and not what I was saying in the first place anyway.
This is such a bizarre comparison. Shonen Jump is a brand IP in its own right that is owned by Shueisha and many other IPs fall under it. Disney is NOT an IP, it is a company.
Kingdom Hearts is its own thing that features non-videogame properties, it's not the same as a Jump Force crossover fighter. It's got its own story, world, and characters apart from the Disney stuff. I'm not a KH fan, but from what I've seen it's got just as much videogame as any other Smash candidate, it just also has some Disney.
Android 21 and Sora are definitely in different situations. And I definitely wouldn’t compare the situation to jump force.
Uh, no it doesn't. Even the most non-movie portions of that series still contain the likes of Mickey, Yensid,etc.
Oh, there's no question that there's enough video game-original stuff in KH. It's just a question of whether the non-video game stuff taints it's status, regardless of how much there is.
Android 21 is Dragon Ball FighterZ, not Jump Force. But can make the necessary substitution in your argument for Galena or Kane.
What you are describing is only a difference in scope, not a difference in the fundamental nature of what each of those games IS. Which is "A video game crossover of multiple franchises owned by a single company, with some locations/characters/story elements unique to that video game."
Probably both KH1 for nostalgia and KH3 for relevance.
This may be the smartest take I've ever gotten from this thread, and I thank you for it.
Lowkey Style Savvy Stylist is one of my most wanted characters, and is probably one of the most slept on Nintendo properties for Smash.Friendly reminder that Style Savvy will have the best win screen animations:
Bonus win animation:
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Shoot, it'd have the best intro animation, too:
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There's a lot of characters I'm rooting for, but this will always be my most wanted out of everything. One day... One day I'll truly be able to style on some fools.
Flyboy
and I pretty much constitute the Style Savvy fanclub here, and we're glad to have you on board.
...Is it really that good?Lowkey Style Savvy Stylist is one of my most wanted characters, and is probably one of the most slept on Nintendo properties for Smash.
That explains why all the Pokemon in Smash speak like they do in the anime.
Pretty much. Disney elements are rarely add anything substantial in KH.
He's not really a Disney icon, though.
This. This is exactly right. Sora is not defined by his game, he's defined by Disney and its IP. If you took away every Disney element of the game and had fully original characters, worlds, etc., I doubt he would be anywhere close to as POPULAR as he is with the House of Mouse behind him.
That...wasn't exactly my point. But thanks for the support I guess.
The anime has heavily influenced the games, sure (especially with the case of Mewtwo). But the anime is based on the games, not the other way around. The Pokemon may say their names, but that's nothing compared to everything that the anime pulls from the core games. As silly as your facetious comment is, it couldn't possibly hold up as a legitimate counter to my point.
I wasn't summarizing what you said. I was making a point in the same vein as yours.
I didn't see your other points. My bad. Let address those second two really quick.
I'm saying that's a possibility, depending on how Nintendo chooses to view it.
What a work of art. I call this one: The lengths a Smash fan will go to "disconfirm" a character. It's a bit of a lengthy title I know, but I feel like it truly captures the essence of this work.
Like Square Enix did nothing for the Kingdom Hearts series? Kingdom Hearts started out as Disney x Final Fantasy, which certainly drew people in and made them stay. There's a reason a large criticism of KH3 is a lack of Final Fantasy characters.
What else does Sora have besides a game? It's not like he's in any cartoons or movies or anything. Just the Kingdom Hearts games and some cameos/guest appearances in Final Fantasy games.
How about you compare the response to Ash winning the League to Sword and Shield news and tell me which got people more excited. Or how the games continually try to get closer to the anime. Or how the trading card game literally helped Pokémon blow up and become the mass franchise it is today. At this point, the mainline Pokémon games are a sideshow compared to the franchise as a whole.
You mean like the Epic Mickey series? I mean yeah, those games did well, but nowhere near as well as Kingdom Hearts has. You can compare the overall sales and longevity and it clearly shows.
Kingdom Hearts has more than enough original content to carry itself at this point. Like, you can argue that the Disney aspect is the main draw like
NonSpecificGuy
, but Kingdom Hearts can (arguably) stand well on its own without it. Have you even played the series? Because I get the feeling that based on your argument you have not.No better way to argue a point than with the classic words "I think." They pretty much prove you're arguing an opinion based on an opinion, and there's no fact at all in this argument.
>Sora
Has he been mentioned with Goku and Iron Man? No. Therefore, he is not in the same box as them. He's not even anywhere near the box they're in. Since Kingdom Hearts is a video game. Not a cartoon, not a movie, not a book. A video game.
Something being technically possible doesn't mean it's remotely probable. It's not an argument that makes much sense, and as you've found hardly anyone shares it, so the chance of Sakurai of all people agreeing with that is infinitesimal.
At this point you're arguing a possibility over an actual point.
Kingdom Hearts is an odd series, it was literally designed to be a weird 'what if Disney met Final Fantasy' game.
Aside from the games being solid, Style Savvy has a lot going for it, as far as arbitrary reasons we come up with for wanting characters in Smash. Let's recap:
I do have to apologize though, misunderstood the jump force argument. Yes, I would actually completely agree that the Original characters from that game fall in the same category as Sora.
Isn’t Scott Menville part of a Union? That would likely be an issue with him in Smash... though if there were ever a reason to go against your union interests as a voice actor, Smash would be that reason...
I'm pretty sure David Hayter returned to reprise Snake in Ultimate despite being with a union.
He didn't, they just re-used his Brawl lines. That's why there's no codec calls for characters that weren't in Brawl on the Shadow Moses stage.
I don't think to be part of a union or not matters that much in the grand scheme of things. Also, the NDA thing is likely for a new Arkham Game since he played Batman in Arkham Origins. There have been rumors of a new Court of Owls themed game, and another voice actor for the Arkham games has been teasing something DC related.
I thought they had to replace Viridi's voice actor because they were part of a union? Also, isn't the only reason that Cloud doesn't have an English voice because the only one allowed to voice Cloud in English is in a union? Maybe I was misinformed but I remember that being the case.
Well, I disagree. It's a series of things that all share the same set of circumstances, where one of those things is treated differently simply because it's more popular. As if being more popular somehow means those circumstances no longer apply.
I was mostly willing to let it drop until someone said "This is something that shouldn't be debated."