Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SuperSceptile15]

I find it a little hypocritical you're condemning people for wanting "yet another animal platformer mascot character" while at the same time asking for more animal RPG characters from a single franchise.

Any Pokemon would offer more to the roster than Crash. Heck, Incineroar is already an animal-like character that can spin.

 

[Fenriraga]

If Terry is that far out, it really doesn't make sense that they updated the copyright for the Spirit Events/News and all of that. That didn't happen with Atlus or Microsoft.

I dunno, I want to believe the 7/11 ad isn't the end all be all. That thing isn't even advertising Pokemon, which is a much more significant release coming in the near future.

Who knowssss. I'll lower my expectations just in case.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Because Pokemon is the biggest franchise in the world, and we've had an entire Fighter Pass of third party characters. Do people really want to turn Smash, which is mainly a Nintendo crossover series, into MUGEN?

Yep, that's exactly what we want, actually. It just makes stuff more fun and fresh.

I'm a firm believer in that you can never have too many Pokemon in Smash. And most of the third party characters that people ask for now feel like reaching the bottom of the barrel.

There's literally 10 different Pokemon in this game.

That's about an 7th or 8th of the roster. More than any other franchise in Smash. I think we can do without a new Pokemon for at least a little while. Even if it is the biggest game franchise in terms of sales that's an incredible amount when so many franchises haven't even made it IN.

I mean, do we really need another animal platformer mascot character or a violent rooty tooty shooty guy that's basically just a green Samus?

Ok, first of all another animal platformer mascot? The only really viable one left is Crash and looking at his history and legacy, yes, we do "need" him. And that statement on the Doom Slayer, hoo boy, no one would make that statement if they had any idea at all of what Doom is all about. Metroid and Doom are on opposite sides of the spectrum of gameplay and atmosphere. So, why do we "need" another Pokemon? I'm genuinely confused that you say this because, at this point, I'd take a Digimon AAAAAANY day of the week over another Pokemon.

I say bring on the Pokemon SwSh representation for Smash Ultimate. And I also find it unfair to say that the starter Pokemon aren't "fighter material". Was Isabelle fighter material? Was Piranha Plant fighter material (no offense to him though)? Was Wii Fit Trainer fighter material? My personal favorite of the starters is Sobble's final evo, although Grookey's final evo would be fantastic in Smash as well.

So, you're just supporting a Pokemon then? More power to you but why do you have to drag other people's characters through the dirt to get your point across? That's completely unneeded and unnecessary.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Yep, that's exactly what we want, actually. It just makes stuff more fun and fresh.

There's literally 10 different Pokemon in this game.

That's about an 7th or 8th of the roster. More than any other franchise in Smash. I think we can do without a new Pokemon for at least a little while. Even if it is the biggest game franchise in terms of sales that's an incredible amount when so many franchises haven't even made it IN.

Ok, first of all another animal platformer mascot? The only really viable one left is Crash and looking at his history and legacy, yes, we do "need" him. And that statement on the Doom Slayer, hoo boy, no one would make that statement if they had any idea at all of what Doom is all about. Metroid and Doom are on opposite sides of the spectrum of gameplay and atmosphere. So, why do we "need" another Pokemon? I'm genuinely confused that you say this because, at this point, I'd take a Digimon AAAAAANY day of the week over another Pokemon.


So, you're just supporting a Pokemon then? More power to you but why do you have to drag other people's characters through the dirt to get your point across? That's completely unneeded and unnecessary.

There's technically 14 Pokemon in smash given that Greninja and Incineroar have their shiny forms as alts and Notched ear Pichu and Pikachu Libre are canonically they're own characters separate from the generic Pikachu and pichu

 

[Guynamednelson]

There's literally 10 different Pokemon in this game.

Yeah, but not 10 good ones.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Yeah, but not 10 good ones.

All the more reason to not trust them to pick good ones in the future. Especially with the Starter leaks that just came out.

 

[Sysreq]

Why does everyone suddenly think a SwSh rep is gonna happen since the starters were leaked?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Why does everyone suddenly think a SwSh rep is gonna happen since the starters were leaked?

I don't think anyone said they think it's gonna happen. Just speculating on who it may be if it were to happen.

 

[Sysreq]

I don't think anyone said they think it's gonna happen. Just speculating on who it may be if it were to happen.

Oh. Well, even if the starters don't look like good Smash characters, could always have a Lucario situation and get none of them but still 8th gen rep.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Why does everyone suddenly think a SwSh rep is gonna happen since the starters were leaked?

Personally I think it's gonna happen because A. They jumped the gun and did Sun and Moon representation at the tail end of the generation

B. They are adding more characters next year and it seems like a safe bet.

 

[Nemuresu]

Oh. Well, even if the starters don't look like good Smash characters, could always have a Lucario situation and get none of them but still 8th gen rep.

I don't know...

Spoiler: LEGITIMATE SS SPOILERS INSIDE

Even on that regard, I don't think any of the pokémon work.

Yamper and Wooloo's evolutions are still quadrupedal creatures with seemingly nothing going for them, the sand anaconda doesn't have enough limbs to make a moveset, Rolycoly's final phase is just another Golem on concept and the fighting octopi don't really look like "shillmon" (fanmade term to pokémon who constantly appear in merchandise) material.

Best ones would be Impidimp's final phase and whatever that spiky purple creaure is, and even then, the latter seems to be a Gigantamax form.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

I really wish if they were going to hit Pokemon up again, they'd hit up one of the spin-offs rather than just adding another starter, personally.

If you must rep Sw|Sh, then give us a Pokemon TCG rep that includes cards featuring Sw|Sh mons or something. :-/

 

[Sysreq]

I don't know...

Spoiler: LEGITIMATE SS SPOILERS INSIDE

Even on that regard, I don't think any of the pokémon work.

Yamper and Wooloo's evolutions are still quadrupedal creatures with seemingly nothing going for them, the sand anaconda doesn't have enough limbs to make a moveset, Rolycoly's final phase is just another Golem on concept and the fighting octopi don't really look like "shillmon" (fanmade term to pokémon who constantly appear in merchandise) material.

Best ones would be Impidimp's final phase and whatever that spiky purple creaure is, and even then, the latter seems to be a Gigantamax form.

There are more Pokemon than that in the Galar dex (I hope)...

 

[Ben Holt]

The quadruped we need in Smash is Spyro.
He's definitely got a shot after Crash. Third Parties seem to like double dipping.

 

[Inawordyes]

I don't know...

Spoiler: LEGITIMATE SS SPOILERS INSIDE

Even on that regard, I don't think any of the pokémon work.

Yamper and Wooloo's evolutions are still quadrupedal creatures with seemingly nothing going for them, the sand anaconda doesn't have enough limbs to make a moveset, Rolycoly's final phase is just another Golem on concept and the fighting octopi don't really look like "shillmon" (fanmade term to pokémon who constantly appear in merchandise) material.

Best ones would be Impidimp's final phase and whatever that spiky purple creaure is, and even then, the latter seems to be a Gigantamax form.

Spoiler: Pokemon SwSH Spoilers

Give us Clobopus:

Think about it. A cute, boxing octopus.

Think about it.

You know you want this.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Eh we already filled our Pokemon shill quota with Incineroar, so I wouldn't mind if we backed off from a new Pokemon for a little while, at least until one becomes really popular. But you know what series hasn't filled its shill quota yet and had a huge release this year? With said release being regarded as one of the best games of the year and has quite a few great character options that would all bring something new to the table? All things considered, a Three Houses character sounds way more enticing than another Pokemon right now.

 

[Ben Holt]

Oh ****?

Mod Edit: WARNING!!! HUGE POKEMON LEAKS IN VIDEO!! BE CAREFUL!!

Spoiler

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Eh we already filled our Pokemon shill quota with Incineroar, so I wouldn't mind if we backed off from a new Pokemon for a little while, at least until one becomes really popular. But you know what series hasn't filled its shill quota yet and had a huge release this year? With said release being regarded as one of the best games of the year and has quite a few great character options that would all bring something new to the table? All things considered, a Three Houses character sounds way more enticing than another Pokemon right now.

My kingdom for either Dimitri or Claude.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Eh we already filled our Pokemon shill quota with Incineroar, so I wouldn't mind if we backed off from a new Pokemon for a little while, at least until one becomes really popular. But you know what series hasn't filled its shill quota yet and had a huge release this year? With said release being regarded as one of the best games of the year and has quite a few great character options that would all bring something new to the table? All things considered, a Three Houses character sounds way more enticing than another Pokemon right now.

Did you complain when people still wanted Roy or Chrom after Awakening's "Shill quota" was filled?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

After everything is said and done I want what Sakurai said: "new worlds" even if it was a translation error or whatever.

Golden Sun, Astral Chain, Wonderful 101, Rhythm Heaven, for first-party choices. Assassin's Creed, Crash Bandicoot, Ninja Gaiden, Tekken, Tales of, Xenosaga, Tomb Raider, Rayman, Doom, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Ace Attorney, Monster Hunter, Digimon, and more I'm sure, for third parties.

They all sound so much more enticing and exciting to advertise, speculate, and play than yet another Pokemon and I don't think I'm the only one thinking that. The same goes for Fire Emblem as much as I would love Edelgard. New worlds mean new stages, new music, new spirits, new companies, and new possibilities that you can't really get with Pokemon or Fire Emblem. I love them both but they need their time on the sideline for a little while in my opinion.

 

[Guynamednelson]

After everything is said and done I want what Sakurai said: "new worlds" even if it was a translation error or whatever.

Golden Sun, Astral Chain, Wonderful 101, Rhythm Heaven, for first-party choices. Assassin's Creed, Crash Bandicoot, Ninja Gaiden, Tekken, Tales of, Xenosaga, Tomb Raider, Rayman, Doom, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Ace Attorney, Monster Hunter, Digimon, and more I'm sure, for third parties.

They all sound so much more enticing and exciting to advertise, speculate, and play than yet another Pokemon and I don't think I'm the only one thinking that. The same goes for Fire Emblem as much as I would love Edelgard. New worlds mean new stages, new music, new spirits, new companies, and new possibilities that you can't really get with Pokemon or Fire Emblem. I love them both but they need their time on the sideline for a little while in my opinion.

Oh, I would like to see characters from several of those worlds as well. But I also am extremely dissatisfied with Incineroar and want Gen 7 to be represented with something better than one of its starters. Hell the game's already set up so a new Gen 7 rep can give us an Alola stage and music and spirits from USUM. An expanded crossover means characters you like, not just franchises.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Oh ****?

This sounds believable enough to be true.

 

[Ben Holt]

After everything is said and done I want what Sakurai said: "new worlds" even if it was a translation error or whatever.

Golden Sun, Astral Chain, Wonderful 101, Rhythm Heaven, for first-party choices. Assassin's Creed, Crash Bandicoot, Ninja Gaiden, Tekken, Tales of, Xenosaga, Tomb Raider, Rayman, Doom, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Ace Attorney, Monster Hunter, Digimon, and more I'm sure, for third parties.

They all sound so much more enticing and exciting to advertise, speculate, and play than yet another Pokemon and I don't think I'm the only one thinking that. The same goes for Fire Emblem as much as I would love Edelgard. New worlds mean new stages, new music, new spirits, new companies, and new possibilities that you can't really get with Pokemon or Fire Emblem. I love them both but they need their time on the sideline for a little while in my opinion.

My list is best list.
Crash would have a Coco echo, and Leon would have a Jill echo.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Oh ****?

Calling fake. The Starter descriptions were taken from a much older Pokemon leak and the new pokemon it's describing match none of the current leaked pokemon.

 

[Ben Holt]

Calling fake. The Starter descriptions were taken from a much older Pokemon leak and the new pokemon it's describing match none of the current leaked pokemon.

I personally am neutral on this leak, but mostly because:
1. Both Vergeben and Sabi have came out saying the Crash is most likely not Fighter 5.
2. I simply don't want it to be true. I want Smash DLC for the Switch's entire life span. Personal bias. Lol.

 

[Dark Bagel]

Any Pokemon would offer more to the roster than Crash. Heck, Incineroar is already an animal-like character that can spin.

On the topic of offering value, in regards to his moveset, Crash has a lot of other special moves from his home series to pull from besides his classic spin attack, which could really set him apart. And if we're talking about notoriety and game legacy, you CAN'T seriously tell me that Crash is far less valuable to the roster compared to whatever new pokemon they decide to add down the line.

And most of the third party characters that people ask for now feel like reaching the bottom of the barrel. I mean, do we really need another animal platformer mascot character or a violent rooty tooty shooty guy that's basically just a green Samus?

This is a really reductive and dismissive way to refer to Crash and Doomguy, whether you're for their inclusion or against it, I'm sure they're both a little bit more nuanced than "violent shooty man" and "yet another animal mascot". It REEKS of the old, tired "just another sword character" stigma.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

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My list is best list.
Crash would have a Coco echo, and Leon would have a Jill echo.

If we're comparing these things, then:

Granted, some of these are stand-ins for a few other, preferred choices (Notably Athena swapped in for Quinty, PH for Alex Roivas, and Shantae for Kevin Keene), but I was trying to stick to decent art, so I grabbed 2 honorable mentions and one "for the people" type of choice...

Edit: And as far as Echoes go:
Any of the Cinderella Girls would fit for Haruka Amami, though I tend to favour Kirari Moroboshi simply because she has enough differences in demeanor and aesthetic to set her apart without being an archetype that would necessitate significant changes (which I feel would be the case for someone like Ranko or Mayu). If they did set them apart enough to allow for a different Final Smash, I'd want a variant on Giga Bowser for Kirari; the Kirarin Robo. >_>

Lisa is my choice for an echo of Elenor. Works more obviously if they use PSO2 mechanics in Elenor's moveset, but even if I got my preference and Elenor just used OG PSO mechanics and weapons for most of her moves, it wouldn't feel too off for Lisa. Technically Ult Camuel (Elenor's twin) would be the obvious echo, but I figure I'd diversify a bit and give PSO2 a nod, so everyone's favorite Murder-bot gets the spot instead.

 

[Ben Holt]

If we're comparing these things, then:

Granted, some of these are stand-ins for a few other, preferred choices (Notably Athena swapped in for Quinty, PH for Alex Roivas, and Shantae for Kevin Keene), but I was trying to stick to decent art, so I grabbed 2 honorable mentions and one "for the people" type of choice...

@Lesley Black Velvet I found your long lost best friend.

 

[Deleted member]

Its going to be interesting if Terry is not released this coming week, as it would theoretically give us an idea of when to expect the next fighters. If Nintendo doesn't release Terry until the week of the 17th, it simply would mean that they would like to avoid releasing the DLC on the same week as a new release as both and pretty much released a weekend after a big release and before another one. This coming week there's Mario & Sonic and the next one is Pokemon.

 

[Izanagi97]

I'm still holding on to hopes that Terry is next week since that one tweet mentioned how Joker didn't release during the period he was in the 7/11 ad and came out several days after it was taken down.

 

[Idon]

If we're comparing these things, then:

Granted, some of these are stand-ins for a few other, preferred choices (Notably Athena swapped in for Quinty, PH for Alex Roivas, and Shantae for Kevin Keene), but I was trying to stick to decent art, so I grabbed 2 honorable mentions and one "for the people" type of choice...

Edit: And as far as Echoes go:
Any of the Cinderella Girls would fit for Haruka Amami, though I tend to favour Kirari Moroboshi simply because she has enough differences in demeanor and aesthetic to set her apart without being an archetype that would necessitate significant changes (which I feel would be the case for someone like Ranko or Mayu). If they did set them apart enough to allow for a different Final Smash, I'd want a variant on Giga Bowser for Kirari; the Kirarin Robo. >_>

Lisa is my choice for an echo of Elenor. Works more obviously if they use PSO2 mechanics in Elenor's moveset, but even if I got my preference and Elenor just used OG PSO mechanics and weapons for most of her moves, it wouldn't feel too off for Lisa. Technically Ult Camuel (Elenor's twin) would be the obvious echo, but I figure I'd diversify a bit and give PSO2 a nod, so everyone's favorite Murder-bot gets the spot instead.

I love how you have all these cute girls and then there's the ****-ING PYRAMID HEAD in the middle randomly.

 

[Us3inMN]

If we're comparing these things, then:

Granted, some of these are stand-ins for a few other, preferred choices (Notably Athena swapped in for Quinty, PH for Alex Roivas, and Shantae for Kevin Keene), but I was trying to stick to decent art, so I grabbed 2 honorable mentions and one "for the people" type of choice...

Edit: And as far as Echoes go:
Any of the Cinderella Girls would fit for Haruka Amami, though I tend to favour Kirari Moroboshi simply because she has enough differences in demeanor and aesthetic to set her apart without being an archetype that would necessitate significant changes (which I feel would be the case for someone like Ranko or Mayu). If they did set them apart enough to allow for a different Final Smash, I'd want a variant on Giga Bowser for Kirari; the Kirarin Robo. >_>

Lisa is my choice for an echo of Elenor. Works more obviously if they use PSO2 mechanics in Elenor's moveset, but even if I got my preference and Elenor just used OG PSO mechanics and weapons for most of her moves, it wouldn't feel too off for Lisa. Technically Ult Camuel (Elenor's twin) would be the obvious echo, but I figure I'd diversify a bit and give PSO2 a nod, so everyone's favorite Murder-bot gets the spot instead.

One of these fighters is doin' his own thing.

Also, where are you getting the templates to make these?

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I'm a firm believer in that you can have too many Pokemon in Smash. And most of the third party characters that people ask for now feel like we haven't touched the top of the iceberg yet. I mean, do we really need another boring and predictable choice of popular pokemon like frog Sheik or another fire/fighting Pokemon that's basically furry John Cena?

I say bring on the third party representation for Smash Ultimate. And I also find it COMPLETELY fair to say that the starter Pokemon aren't "fighter material". Grookey, Sobble and their evos (no offense to them), by comparison, they PALE compared to the likes of Isabelle (no thanks to Villager), Piranha Plant and even Wii Fit Trainer, who were characters with fighter material befote they were revealed.

My personal favorite of the starters is Scorbunny's final evo, and that should be the only Pokemon from Gen 8 to get into Smash, Grookey and Sobble's final evos can go in the trash (full offense to them)!!

It's Scorbunny SZN baybee!

 

[Akg0001]

I love how you have all these cute girls and then there's the ****-ING PYRAMID HEAD in the middle randomly.

Guess what? Under the pyramid there is a face of a cute little girl ^_^

 

[Idon]

Guess what? Under the pyramid there is a face of a cute little girl ^_^

Hmm, ya might be onto something.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

I love how you have all these cute girls and then there's the ****-ING PYRAMID HEAD in the middle randomly.

>Implying that Pyramid Head isn't the cutest of them all.
SMH...

One of these fighters is doin' his own thing.

Also, where are you getting the templates to make these?

I made the template for mine, partially because I got frustrated at seeing so many posts featuring low-res, poorly-edited screenshots of the fighter's pass from the directs. The ones everyone else is using I've seen passed around Reddit and Twitter.

But yeah, the first FP concept was using only existing partners, so I went ahead with PH since he is on my list of honorable mentions. If I were actually aiming to keep it all female, I could have probably found a Tokimeki Memorial rep, but I wasn't about to try and clean an image for that. >_>
Or I could have switched Konami for Capcom and thrown in Tron Bonne, I guess.

But PH is someone's waifu, I'm sure, so nah... I'm sticking with my guns here...

 

[Guynamednelson]

we haven't touched the top of the iceberg yet.

Sakurai isn't touching the tip of the Pokemon iceberg by just sticking to whatever new starter he can stick a preexisting human moveset onto.

 

[Deleted member]

Not going to lie, I kinda dig the starters final evos (not my favorites but not the worst mons) and wouldn't mind them in Smash especially since the only thing we have of them right now are scans and they could show a lot of personality in motion. I vastly prefer that the focus continues on bringing new worlds into Smash though.

 

[Deleted member]

If we're comparing these things, then:

Granted, some of these are stand-ins for a few other, preferred choices (Notably Athena swapped in for Quinty, PH for Alex Roivas, and Shantae for Kevin Keene), but I was trying to stick to decent art, so I grabbed 2 honorable mentions and one "for the people" type of choice...

Edit: And as far as Echoes go:
Any of the Cinderella Girls would fit for Haruka Amami, though I tend to favour Kirari Moroboshi simply because she has enough differences in demeanor and aesthetic to set her apart without being an archetype that would necessitate significant changes (which I feel would be the case for someone like Ranko or Mayu). If they did set them apart enough to allow for a different Final Smash, I'd want a variant on Giga Bowser for Kirari; the Kirarin Robo. >_>

Lisa is my choice for an echo of Elenor. Works more obviously if they use PSO2 mechanics in Elenor's moveset, but even if I got my preference and Elenor just used OG PSO mechanics and weapons for most of her moves, it wouldn't feel too off for Lisa. Technically Ult Camuel (Elenor's twin) would be the obvious echo, but I figure I'd diversify a bit and give PSO2 a nod, so everyone's favorite Murder-bot gets the spot instead.

Love this one!

Honestly, I've mustered enough confidence to say that if we get a male as FP5, then we'll have an all-female Pass 2 for compensation.

Agree?

 

[Ben Holt]

If I had to make a female only Fighter Pass with the rules: Third Party only, no Echoes, Alts don't count, and must have appeared at least once on a Nintendo console, it would be:
Lara Croft, Chun-Li, Reimu, Tracer, and Arle.