Curious Villager
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Does Bayonetta count?
Wasn't that series on thin ice on a number of occasions due to low sales and all?
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Wasn't that series on thin ice on a number of occasions due to low sales and all?
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In that instance, it was sold on the idea that she won a ballot (regardless of the perceived validity)
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Right..In that instance, it was sold on the idea that she won a ballot (regardless of the perceived validity)
The ballot...
Eh might as well not open that can of worms...
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Weeeeeeeeell...
I do have a little mini theory concerning the ballot.
Sakurai said explicitly that Bayonetta was the #1 pick in Europe, no "among realizable characters" like he said was the case worldwide.
So Europe got their pick.
Japan got their pick with Hero.
Banjo-Kazooie was very possibly the #1 pick in North America. He was MY pick as North American.
Terry confused me at first, but after looking into him, I found that he was extremely popular in Latin America, so he was probably the most popular pick there.
See where I'm going?
That really only leaves Australia and Africa as far as regional picks go.
To my knowledge, gaming isn't exactly mainstream in Africa, but I could be wrong.
So going by this "Region Theory", Australia may be where we should be looking for Fighter 5.
Trying to figure out what the Australians are most into is difficult because I doubt they have their own distinct favorite out of the bunch. Or you could try to argue Crash since bandicoots are native in Australia, but at that point you're playing 4D Chess.
Continent Theory kinda sucks, IMO.
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With that being taken into consideration, an Australian pick would be quite confusing. This is coming from the same region that got a K.Rool victory at a tournament, and also home to the tournament region that banned Hero. Though I'm doubtful, since a lot of Australian gaming was influenced by Americans and Europeans, hence, most of their picks would probably be their picks as well.
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Nah, I doubt the Australians are gonna want a hardcore American western pick.
IIRC Australia likes to ban any Rockstar game that looks twice in its general direction.
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Why would a character from a previous game count toward a European pick for Ultimate?
Wouldn't Little Mac count as a US pick as well then?
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Americans liked Bayonetta, but apparently Europeans liked her more.
Guess we'd have to hold Australia-specific polls to figure it out, but it seems like we're gonna know Fighter 5 any day now, so it's better to just wait it out.
Nah, that's our Captain America Ridley
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And that's where the weirdness happens. I'm super-not familiar with the Australian gaming scene, so I assume that any of their picks will also be top picks by Westerners and stuff.
So why would Post Ballot be DLC instead of of the base game?
It's how
got in, presumably more.
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Well I was talking about Smash 4, but I suppose Riddles counts for this game too if we're talking post ballot...
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The fact that this is between games and also lacks all of the basegame characters for ultimate, plant and joker means I wouldn't take it too seriously
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It was in one scene in one state that banned Hero, how many times do I gotta say it man...
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So...nothing new, eh?
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As someone who lives in said region, the general consensus I've seen is that whatever's popular in NA is a popular pick here too.
I don't think I've seen/heard a popular request from people here that wasn't a popular pick in NA (I.e K.Rool, Ridley, Banjo, Crash, etc)
Idk about Geno now that I think about it tho lol
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As much as I want Asuka, Lili would really feel like a Smash character, materialistically.
Apart from the fact we are in the first week of November coupled with everything else going for the idea of Terry releasing this week makes it seem likely we will get some news by at least Thursday but as soon as tomorrow
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Here's to a major leak happening tomorrow. Probably this week either Sabi, Verge, or Nintendo will break their silence.
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OH GOD YOU MADE ITS EVOLUTION WORSE!
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Sometimes I'm lucky I don't follow Pokemon too much. Everyone's leaking the final evos while I'm like, "oh, okay, sweet" and that's literally it. But if it's Smash, it's more like, "***** WHAT THE..."
Hopefully
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Smash typically makes Pokemon more likable for me. I didn't give any **** about Greninja or Incineroar until their reveals. Still don't, I guess, but I think about them slightly more than Decidueye or Blaiziken.
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The only reason I care about it is probably personal connection. Plus, one of my inter-school BFFs is a biigg Pokemon fan. He's been a Gen 4 baby but he won't be buying due to the entire NatDex stuff.
As for me? I'm kind of...neutral.
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Haven't really kept up on Pokemon since Gen 6. Only reason I'm back is because I lost a bet so now I'm playing Gen 8 lol.
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Oh, I see.
The hardest I've been to ever coming back to Pokemon was 2016 with the entire Pokemon Go craze. My phone was leagues away from actually being compatible with the game that I just downloaded MyOldBoy with Pokemon Red and Blue. Then I just made one team and swept through everyone.
It feels a bit wonky, not least since Nintendo presumably counts Australia and the neighboring SEA (Lesley Black Velvet's region) in the "Other" section alongside the Middle East and elsewhere. The three major regions according to their data is Japan, Europe and The Americas (NA and Latin America, meaning
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lives in a major region*).However, Nintendo's execs have explicitly stated that Nintendo aims to grow in these "Other" regions and expand their reach to new regions and demographics. Currently "Other" regions account for 4 million Switches. Sure it's only 1 / 10 of the total Switches out there, but it's picking up compared to last year and beforehand. "Other" regions is also a huge variety of places: crucially it includes China. Kimishima (Nintendo's former President, suceeded by Furukawa) said this last year:
It's a sentiment Furukawa echoed this year, by the way.
Terry (alongside KOF) is very popular in China as well, but if we're going with the theory then the Middle East and SEA / South Korea should be accounted for as well as Australia. Honestly I could easily a Korean-favored pick make it in too. StarCraft, LoL, Tekken and Overwatch are probably the four big guns in Korea by the by.
I should also note that SEA is (AFAIK) different from Australia. Aside from the Australian government being rather ban happy, SEA (as a very general rule - that region has a lot of countries) leans heavily into the computer / mobile side of things - moreso than Australia IIRC. Nintendo does appear to have a foothold there though, so I wouldn't count the region out by any stretch.
As a sidenote, Africa has a video game scene, but it's still not mainstream and focused on mobiles. However, it's big enough that there are Street Fighter tournamentts there (alongside FIFA, Fortnite and Candy Crush, granted, but video games have established a foothold there too).
*(Latin America was apparently recently promoted into "The Americas" category. While the majority of Switches there are in the NA, I'd wildly guess around 15-20 % of Switches are in Latin / South America)
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We of the South East Asian region looooooovvveee our mobile games. Heck, my name of Lesley comes from a character from a mobile game.It feels a bit wonky, not least since Nintendo presumably counts Australia and the neighboring SEA (Lesley Black Velvet's region) in the "Other" section alongside the Middle East and elsewhere. The three major regions according to their data is Japan, Europe and The Americas (NA and Latin America, meaning
However, Nintendo's execs have explicitly stated that Nintendo aims to grow in these "Other" regions and expand their reach to new regions and demographics. Currently "Other" regions account for 4 million Switches. Sure it's only 1 / 10 of the total Switches out there, but it's picking up compared to last year and beforehand. "Other" regions is also a huge variety of places: crucially it includes China. Kimishima (Nintendo's former President, suceeded by Furukawa) said this last year:
It's a sentiment Furukawa echoed this year, by the way.
Terry (alongside KOF) is very popular in China as well, but if we're going with the theory then the Middle East and SEA / South Korea should be accounted for as well as Australia. Honestly I could easily a Korean-favored pick make it in too. StarCraft, LoL, Tekken and Overwatch are probably the four big guns in Korea by the by.
I should also note that SEA is (AFAIK) different from Australia. Aside from the Australian government being rather ban happy, SEA (as a very general rule - that region has a lot of countries) leans heavily into the computer / mobile side of things - moreso than Australia IIRC. Nintendo does appear to have a foothold there though, so I wouldn't count the region out by any stretch.
As a sidenote, Africa has a video game scene, but it's still not mainstream and focused on mobiles. However, it's big enough that there are Street Fighter tournamentts there (alongside FIFA, Fortnite and Candy Crush, granted, but video games have established a foothold there too).
*(Latin America was apparently recently promoted into "The Americas" category. While the majority of Switches there are in the NA, I'd wildly guess around 15-20 % of Switches are in Latin / South America)
We also have passion for our PC Games. We Filipinos made the Lakad Matatag statement, and we have been quite influential in Esports (*cough* put tanks in a mall *wheeze*).
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Actually all of the Fighters Pass characters are niche in some way:
not known by casuals or people who don't own a Playstation. only really popular in Japan. not known by younger people. only popular in South America. EDIT: This is apparently false, but he is still niche in certain regions like the U.S. (where fighting games in general are also pretty niche).That being said I don't think we'll see a pick that's niche in all audiences.
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Pardon me, but KoF is popular in the SEA region as well as Korea. One time, I went on Fightcade, specifically the one for KoF 98, and there was so much Hangul on the chat.
Also **** I forgot China! Kof 97 is practically the Melee of China lmao
Hehehheeh.
We're also the fam that made "mga bobo" a thing.
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Pretty much this. South America is usually grouped together with North and Central in online games that don't have a dedicated server for our region, for example.It feels a bit wonky, not least since Nintendo presumably counts Australia and the neighboring SEA (Lesley Black Velvet's region) in the "Other" section alongside the Middle East and elsewhere. The three major regions according to their data is Japan, Europe and The Americas (NA and Latin America, meaning
However, Nintendo's execs have explicitly stated that Nintendo aims to grow in these "Other" regions and expand their reach to new regions and demographics. Currently "Other" regions account for 4 million Switches. Sure it's only 1 / 10 of the total Switches out there, but it's picking up compared to last year and beforehand. "Other" regions is also a huge variety of places: crucially it includes China. Kimishima (Nintendo's former President, suceeded by Furukawa) said this last year:
It's a sentiment Furukawa echoed this year, by the way.
Terry (alongside KOF) is very popular in China as well, but if we're going with the theory then the Middle East and SEA / South Korea should be accounted for as well as Australia. Honestly I could easily a Korean-favored pick make it in too. StarCraft, LoL, Tekken and Overwatch are probably the four big guns in Korea by the by.
I should also note that SEA is (AFAIK) different from Australia. Aside from the Australian government being rather ban happy, SEA (as a very general rule - that region has a lot of countries) leans heavily into the computer / mobile side of things - moreso than Australia IIRC. Nintendo does appear to have a foothold there though, so I wouldn't count the region out by any stretch.
As a sidenote, Africa has a video game scene, but it's still not mainstream and focused on mobiles. However, it's big enough that there are Street Fighter tournamentts there (alongside FIFA, Fortnite and Candy Crush, granted, but video games have established a foothold there too).
*(Latin America was apparently recently promoted into "The Americas" category. While the majority of Switches there are in the NA, I'd wildly guess around 15-20 % of Switches are in Latin / South America)
I can't speak much for the rest of LATAM, but Brazil, as of 2018, is one of the biggest consumers of video games worldwide - the biggest in South America and the fourth biggest in all of the Americas (behind Mexico, Canada and the US, in that order).
I agree with the sentiment regarding Korea/SEA. Besides, a PC-centric pick like a MOBA or MMO is one of the biggest curveballs we could get after having a Microsoft character in Smash. For mobile... I dunno, Nintendo has their own first party stuff in that regard and even with third parties, I don't see any big viable options aside from Cygames, so...
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Tracer and Mei's second designs would look cool in the Ultimate style. What yall think
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Personally, I say that if you want to target Korea, you go for Kerrigan. Granted, that may not be as contemporary, and you've got the recent Blizzard sentiments to keep in mind, but eh...
And I'd favour an MM/ORPG rep, personally. While I am hoping for an OG PSO rep or someone from one of the FF MMOs, I could see PSO2 being an attractive pick as well, as it is finally getting a western release, and that may be something SEGA and Nintendo want to promote (assuming it does hit the Switch here in some form). Not sure where WoW would stand, but that's obviously the other big name to consider, before looking to stuff like Lineage.
For mobile, there are actually several options depending on what you consider viable. Angry Birds has expanded into a multimedia franchise and can draw people in on that front, but the greater potential, in my eyes, is in the gacha/waifu market. I've already expressed my support for iM@S granted, so there's surely a bit of bias there, but its mobile games have done extremely well. Cinderella Girls was major enough to spin-off into additional games on its own. But if that 'doesn't count' since it does originate from a traditional series, there's always Kancolle.
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I don't know if PSO would take a spot over Puyo Puyo and Yakuza in terms of Sega properties, nor of other MMOs, but I could be wrong. Blizzard's big names are still nothing to scoff at.
For mobile, I still think Dragalia Lost or Granblue would have precedence - the former is first party and the latter is from a company that has recently aquired ties with Nintendo through that first party title. I don't know anything about Idolmaster or Kancolle, so I can't pretend to give an educated guess about them, but I still think they'd be relatively low priority compared to the in-house/Cygames stuff.
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Europe didn't throw a ***** fit at Square to localize DQ to not get acknowledged at all smhActually all of the Fighters Pass characters are niche in some way:
That being said I don't think we'll see a pick that's niche in all audiences.
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I have a theory to end all theories.
1. Joker: Popular character (decently requested too) from a series that recently hit the peak of it's popularity in both the west and east.
2. Hero: Not heavily requested, but from a hugely popular series in the east. The biggest series in the DLC so far just because of how huge it is in the east.
3. Banjo-Kazooie: Heavily requested character from an inactive series.
4. Terry: Not heavily requested. Series is popular in the east but nowhere near Dragon Quest.
So as we can see, the "nicheness" of the character rises as the DLC goes along. So going by this theory fighter-pass 5 has to be more niche than Terry.
So,
FP 5: Literally whoever Sakurai feels like adding because my theory is stupid.
1. Joker: Popular character (decently requested too) from a series that recently hit the peak of it's popularity in both the west and east.
2. Hero: Not heavily requested, but from a hugely popular series in the east. The biggest series in the DLC so far just because of how huge it is in the east.
3. Banjo-Kazooie: Heavily requested character from an inactive series.
4. Terry: Not heavily requested. Series is popular in the east but nowhere near Dragon Quest.
So as we can see, the "nicheness" of the character rises as the DLC goes along. So going by this theory fighter-pass 5 has to be more niche than Terry.
So,
FP 5: Literally whoever Sakurai feels like adding because my theory is stupid.
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