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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Sysreq

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Because Nintendo typically brings one announcement to the VGAs. Last year there was no plan to announce Joker at the VGAs until the proverbial last minute. Nintendo will have better things to announce than DLC for a year old game.
Yeah I think Smash fans have it in their head that Nintendo is Smash and that's it. Last year Smash was being released the next day or whatever (I remember being at a midnight release when I heard about Joker) so it makes sense they'd add to the hype to boost even more sales so that people who were on the fence would be like "What? Joker is gonna be in Smash? Well count me in now."

I don't expect anything at the VGAs.
 

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A 4chan leak I've been clinging to has been saying that Terry's presentation will be on the fifth with Phoenix Wright revealed as Fighter Pass 5 right afterwards. This may be it, folks.

There's also this update to it which is far less likely (the original leak was very simple and bare bones yet to-the-point which ironically boosted its likeliness, plus the easy kill date makes it harmless to believe). Different guy I'm sure but...I want to believe.

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This new website update news is very interesting as a result...
Not to be pessimistic but I just don't see that happening. With Hero's release, we see that it wasn't Square Enix being stingy about Cloud and FF music but it being the FF director/main manager that was against parting with their precious IP. Have to keep in mind Cloud was the one character that feels tacked on due to them being so reluctant. Couldn't get more than 2 songs despite the fact that FF has 30 years of great music (not to mention FF7 has a lot of great tracks to offer outside of two battle songs), Nintendo not being allowed to use any original artwork for FF spirits leaving them to rely on snapshots of Cloud, and didn't get any spirits of any FF characters despite there being so many games + characters to draw from. This again wasn't the case with Dragon Quest which received lots of songs, spirits, and nods to the series (Mii customes, events, etc.) so it's not purely a Square Enix deal but something regarding the Final Fantasy division. I don't see them adding another another character when they are being so stingy and especially with Sakurai mentioning he wants to add more *game worlds* to Ultimate which would suggest other IPs like Sora or Lara Croft would have a much higher chance or priority of getting added due to Final Fantasy already being represented in the game IMO.
 
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I think I'm going to guess that Doom Guy is going to be Fighter number 5 because of how much Doom has been marketed on the switch. If you can take anything away from Dragon Quest and Banjo Kazooie's dual reveal is that they've been heavily marketed before they were revealed in Smash Bros.

Dragon Quest had Dragon Quest 11 S, a movie about Dragon Quest 5 I believe and I think a theatre showing as well in Japan, meanwhile Banjo Kazooie got lots of merchandise announced before E3. I call it the "Companies advertising their products and making money" theory. Not sure about Joker or Terry but I know the other two got lots of advertising before their reveal. I imagine that with the Doom series being advertised (especially on the Switch) with the Doom ports and Doom Eternal, I think Doom Guy is a pretty safe prediction as Fighter #5 right now.
 
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I think I'm going to guess that Doom Guy is going to be Fighter number 5 because of how much Doom has been marketed on the switch. If you can take anything away from Dragon Quest and Banjo Kazooie's dual reveal is that they've been heavily marketed before they were revealed in Smash Bros.

Dragon Quest had Dragon Quest 11 S, a movie about Dragon Quest 5 I believe and I think a theatre showing as well in Japan, menawhile Banjo Kazooie got lots of merchandise announced before E3. I call it the "Companies advertising their products and making money" theory. Not sure about Joker or Terry but I know the other two got lots of advertising before their reveal. I imagine that with the Doom series being advertised (especially on the Switch) with the Doom ports and Doom Eternal, I think Doom Guy is a pretty safe prediction as Fighter #5 right now.
I mean, if your "theory" only works for 2 out of 4, it's not super solid. Not to mention, Nintendo just released their quarterly earnings and they've done 41 million Switches, which is now neck and neck with X Box One. I think any series wants to be advertised on Switch.
 

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I mean, if your "theory" only works for 2 out of 4, it's not super solid. Not to mention, Nintendo just released their quarterly earnings and they've done 41 million Switches, which is now neck and neck with X Box One. I think any series wants to be advertised on Switch.
I know it doesn't look solid right now but I just haven't looked into Terry yet and the only thing I can see towards Terry is SNK heroines. There is nothing for Joker but I just need to look into this because I have a feeling there is a connection between Dragon Quest and Banjo Kazooie advertising to Doom's advertising. I'll have to get back to you on this.

Spoooky......
I have no idea who this character is.

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I think if nothing else, after today we can conclude that there's definitely going to be more than just Terry's gameplay reveal and release coming up. Based on what they changed on the Smash website, I mean.
 

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I think that's the System Shock player character, but I am probably wrong.

Edit: Okay it's definitely not System Shock guy.
Is it... Is it Riddick? Or is is that guy from that really awful PS1 game "Haunted" something or other... Caddicarus had a video about it years ago

I think if nothing else, after today we can conclude that there's definitely going to be more than just Terry's gameplay reveal and release coming up. Based on what they changed on the Smash website, I mean.
Why do you say that? I don't see a reason that it would be anything but Terry at this point
 

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I mean, if your "theory" only works for 2 out of 4, it's not super solid. Not to mention, Nintendo just released their quarterly earnings and they've done 41 million Switches, which is now neck and neck with X Box One. I think any series wants to be advertised on Switch.
The line of thinking works for Joker as well because Jokers placement in Smash acts as a precursor to the Persona 5 Royal Announcement. It also works for Terry because the inclusion of him in Smash will draw attention for the upcoming King of Fighters game planned for its 2020 release.
 

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The line of thinking works for Joker as well because Jokers placement in Smash acts as a precursor to the Persona 5 Royal Announcement. It also works for Terry because the inclusion of him in Smash will draw attention for the upcoming King of Fighters game planned for its 2020 release.
Okay, but what was the common theme of those? They were released way ahead in advance of those games. When was Doom Eternal supposed to be released? Next month. Doomguy being announced the same time as Doom Eternal's original release would not follow the pattern. The fact it got delayed is irrelevant since the DLC was chosen a year ago and I doubt iD decided to delay the game a year ago.
 

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I know it doesn't look solid right now but I just haven't looked into Terry yet and the only thing I can see towards Terry is SNK heroines. There is nothing for Joker but I just need to look into this because I have a feeling there is a connection between Dragon Quest and Banjo Kazooie advertising to Doom's advertising. I'll have to get back to you on this.



I have no idea who this character is.

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That's Cortez from TimeSplitters.
 

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Okay, but what was the common theme of those? They were released way ahead in advance of those games. When was Doom Eternal supposed to be released? Next month. Doomguy being announced the same time as Doom Eternal's original release would not follow the pattern. The fact it got delayed is irrelevant since the DLC was chosen a year ago and I doubt iD decided to delay the game a year ago.
Persona 5 the Royal was teased back in December 2018 when Joker was first announced for Smash DLC and the game was revealed in April 2019 in the month Joker was released. The only pattern that needs to be discerned is how much advertising a series is putting out there and with the amount of advertising Doom is getting, I think it's a safe bet that he could be the front runner for Fighter #5.

That's Cortez from TimeSplitters.
I guess we'll never know...

But still at least I have my always dude! Sgt. Cortez from TimeSplitters! Yeah it's time to split!

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Persona 5 the Royal was teased back in December 2018 when Joker was first announced for Smash DLC and the game was revealed in April 2019 in the month Joker was released. The only pattern that needs to be discerned is how much advertising a series is putting out there and with the amount of advertising Doom is getting, I think it's a safe bet that he could be the front runner.
P5S was also revealed to be in bound for the Switch and PQ2 was nearly out for 3DS at the time. There was some precedent for Joker
 

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I'm sticking with the idea that the last DLC character will be a Bandai Namco character.

The obvious ones are Lloyd and Heihachi. KOS-MOS is also possible, and has seen a surge of popularity due to the recent leaks.

I feel as though a ton of people in the smash fanbase discount Yuri too much, considering how popular he is within the Tales fanbase and also in Japan.

Sakurai tends to stick with unexpected picks so my vote goes to Yuri or KOSMOS.
 

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All chips on Phoenix Wright of course but my god can you imagine the Terry stream transitioning into a brawl between him and Ken, and then a team up between them and Ryu, only for them to look up to see the true evil master Heihachi make his way into the fray? So hype.
 

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All chips on Phoenix Wright of course but my god can you imagine the Terry stream transitioning into a brawl between him and Ken, and then a team up between them and Ryu, only for them to look up to see the true evil master Heihachi make his way into the fray? So hype.
Watch it be that but with the Mii costume like with Ryu's 4 reveal, lol.
 

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Hey so, Nintendo VS did tweet this two hours ago:

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Guess we’re getting a shadow drop
 

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Persona 5 the Royal was teased back in December 2018 when Joker was first announced for Smash DLC and the game was revealed in April 2019 in the month Joker was released. The only pattern that needs to be discerned is how much advertising a series is putting out there and with the amount of advertising Doom is getting, I think it's a safe bet that he could be the front runner for Fighter #5.
I mean, I suppose it's your speculation, so go ahead and proceed with your advertising theory--we'll find out soon enough anyway.
 

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Wait, does it mean anything for releases when Nintendo VS tweets? Remind me what this meant so far.
It’s not concrete, but after the Tetris spirit event announcement there’s been nothing but tournament related tweets when talking about Smash. This is a non-tourney related one. I seem to recall some mundane smash related stuff tweeted pre-Joker and Banjo presentations. Hero’s presentation was announced in advance but to be fair they were also advertising DQXIS with it

oh that reminds me, wasnt there a 7-11 ad in Japan that would be taken down before November 4?
 

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oh that reminds me, wasnt there a 7-11 ad in Japan that would be taken down before November 4?
Ah darn, I forgot about that. iirc, I think it's changing on the 3rd or 4th, which would sort of imply that new advertising (possibly for Terry) would have to come after it.
 

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all in on dante boys
I would love Dante as well. There's a lot you can do with the character for a game like this.

DMC is also one of my favorite game series of all time and DMC5 is my GotY so far so there's that as well.
 
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If we do get a shadow drop tonight, I can't think of a better reveal for halloween than a character from the survival horror franchise. It's Resident Evil time baybee!!!
 

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A 4chan leak I've been clinging to has been saying that Terry's presentation will be on the fifth with Phoenix Wright revealed as Fighter Pass 5 right afterwards. This may be it, folks.

There's also this update to it which is far less likely (the original leak was very simple and bare bones yet to-the-point which ironically boosted its likeliness, plus the easy kill date makes it harmless to believe). Different guy I'm sure but...I want to believe.

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This new website update news is very interesting as a result...
Am indifferent to Pheonix Wright, but Sephiroth would be cool. Would be another Villain rep (and one from one of my favorites games of all time), and would hopefully bring more FFVII music with him.
 
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