Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Cutie Gwen]

This is the first I'm hearing of that.


He was probably replaced by Ricky.

Sakurai actually confirmed it himself on a DQ11S livestream, Sugiyama would have gotten a percentage of every copy's profit otherwise and as Smash is the second best selling Switch game, it's not hard to see why they chose to do that

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Yes, I'm still sore as all hell that Terry got overshadowed by a meme skeleton given the circumstances. I don't even like him or KOF in comparison to other characters/series in Smash, but the dude deserved a better reaction

1. SNK is a lesser known company
2. Fighting games arent as popular compared to other genres
3. He was leaked way ahead of time, people's reactions go back to the first point
4. People are too busy whining and expecting Geno or something

Honestly he wasnt going to have a better reaction even if circumstances changed, and it's not surprising that he got overshadowed by the Sans Mii Costume, it even overshadowed most of the Banjo hype as well

I'm kinda surprised more people aren't betting on RE considering how prominent the promotion argument is for Doomguy.

It's mostly because people already whine about the usage of guns; which is a big part of Resident Evil, or even that "Capcom has too many reps"

Since we're taking bets on #5 and/or post DLC characters; I'm still holding out on Travis Touchdown being one of them

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Also any validity on this list?

Ah yes the "I have 40 characters so I'll eventually be right" list. I was wondering when they were going to resort to that.

 

[Deleted member]

Good morning everyone.

Everyone's calling dibs on Phoenix Wright and Sephiroth. Doubt the latter will happen since y'all know how stingy Square is with their IPs...

 

[Deleted member]

With today being Halloween, I couldn't stop thinking about how incredible it'd be if Deadly Premonition was in Smash. I'd love to see York's trailer just him talking to Zach for a good minute until he looks into his coffee stunned by what he saw, and he tells Zach they must hurry as the camera slowly cuts to the coffee showing the Smash logo.

 

[Calamitas]

Ah yes the "I have 40 characters so I'll eventually be right" list. I was wondering when they were going to resort to that.

Imagine if FP5 ends up being someone who's not even on that list.

 

[Deleted member]

Imagine if FP5 ends up being someone who's not even on that list.

Could totally be something wedged out of nowjere, y'know Sakurai has his ways.

 

[Sysreq]

Guys I know who FP5 is, it just occurred to me. It's such a Sakurai pick that it's even in his name.

Spoiler

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Riki

Oh my gosh I misspelled his name.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Imagine if FP5 ends up being someone who's not even on that list.

It'll be a Monkey from Monkey barrels so that one 4chan poster who piggybacked that game will have everyone kissing at his feet.

 

[Deleted member]

Guys I know who FP5 is, it just occurred to me. It's such a Sakurai pick that it's even in his name.

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Hahaha. I had to watch AVGN just for that...

 

[KatKit]

Imagine if FP5 ends up being someone who's not even on that list.

Here's hoping.

Although that's a solid list, not gonna lie. I don't believe it, but it could be worse.

 

[ZoroCarlos]

Imagine if FP5 ends up being someone who's not even on that list.

It's time...

Spoiler: FP5

 

[NoOtherPersona]

whats the list?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Good morning everyone.

Good evening to you. Where I am its night time.

 

[Jomosensual]

I'm seeing some speculation that Terry's reveal video will be dropping at some point between the next 1-3 hours. No clue why but thought I'd give a heads up just in case it happens. Seems like there might have been a leaked spirit event involving SNK characters maybe? Not sure

 

[Calamitas]

Here's hoping.

Although that's a solid list, not gonna lie. I don't believe it, but it could be worse.

Wrong image.

Spoiler

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Imagine if FP5 ends up being someone who's not even on that list.

Dixie Kong confirmed.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm seeing some speculation that Terry's reveal video will be dropping at some point between the next 1-3 hours. No clue why but thought I'd give a heads up just in case it happens. Seems like there might have been a leaked spirit event involving SNK characters maybe? Not sure

I was going to say there's no way they'd shadow drop him like that, but I think that's what they did to Joker so I dunno.

 

[KatKit]

Wrong image.

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I said fighter #5, not fighter number 6.

 

[Sysreq]

I was going to say there's no way they'd shadow drop him like that, but I think that's what they did to Joker so I dunno.

Yeah iirc they just kind of were like "here you go have Joker"

 

[BZL8]

I'm seeing some speculation that Terry's reveal video will be dropping at some point between the next 1-3 hours. No clue why but thought I'd give a heads up just in case it happens. Seems like there might have been a leaked spirit event involving SNK characters maybe? Not sure

Nintendo never streams stuff on a Friday or Saturday in Japan. I would be betting on next week.

 

[WaddleMatt]

I really don't feel like Terry is dropping today/tomorrow.

 

[Darkmoone1]

I really don't feel like Terry is dropping today/tomorrow.

I don't think so either. Next week is much more likely.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

If we do get a shadow drop tonight, I can't think of a better reveal for halloween than a character from the survival horror franchise..

Silent Hill? You mean Silent Hill right?
Or maybe Clock Tower? Possibly even Alone in the Dark?

It's Resident Evil time baybee!!!

Oh.......
Well... I guess what Capcom did to that series is pretty scary...

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Good morning everyone.

Everyone's calling dibs on Phoenix Wright and Sephiroth. Doubt the latter will happen since y'all know how stingy Square is with their IPs...

For the last time, Square Enix is not stingy with their IPs.

The reason we have so little FF7 content is because the contract was negotiated for BOTH Sm4sh and Ultimate. Since Square gives the rights to their music to their composers (which is the opposite of stingy), it was already difficult to get FF7 music. Furthermore, since the team had double the games to pay for, it makes sense there'd be so little. It's not a matter of Square being stingy, it's a matter of the circumstances surrounding Cloud's inclusion.

Limited DLC budget + 2 games to negotiate for = low amount of content. Nothing stingy there.

Sakurai has repeatedly talked about how easy it was to work with the Dragon Quest developers in interviews, which is a point directly against the Stingy Squaretm image. I'm surprised people still believe this after all of the interviews.

Seriously y'all. This info's been out there for a while. It's simply a matter of doing research and getting informed.

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

Terry not dropping tonight means more chance for a full blown Smash direct next week and I'd much rather have that than Terry now lmao

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly biggest issue for Sephiroth getting in is pretty much the focus of the DLC and if they are keeping with only adding new franchises going on forward.

No kidding, he is among my most wanted but doubt the music licensing is an issue apart from most likely just getting midis again.

In regards of the text leaks, its easy to predict dates as normally there is something going for each one and it ends up being a coin toss. It's ok to entertain them but it's another thing to take them seriously.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Since Square gives the rights to their music to their composers,
...
Seriously y'all. This info's been out there for a while. It's simply a matter of doing research and getting informed.

Has this been confirmed to be norm? Sugiyama is a special case due to the way DQ was devised as a 3-way-split between Toriyama, S(E), and he, but I don't know how much control the other composers that work with the company have.

I've heard Uematsu has at least partial ownership of some FF songs, but I've never seen detailed information about this claim, and I've only seen it mentioned in passing, like... once... so I'm not sure how much validity there is to that in the first place.

I highly doubt they've maintained this position as the norm with their other composers though, since they don't have nearly as much clout, but, I'm open to being proven wrong.

 

[Deleted member]

For the last time, Square Enix is not stingy with their IPs.

The reason we have so little FF7 content is because the contract was negotiated for BOTH Sm4sh and Ultimate. Since Square gives the rights to their music to their composers (which is the opposite of stingy), it was already difficult to get FF7 music. Furthermore, since the team had double the games to pay for, it makes sense there'd be so little. It's not a matter of Square being stingy, it's a matter of the circumstances surrounding Cloud's inclusion.

Limited DLC budget + 2 games to negotiate for = low amount of content. Nothing stingy there.

Sakurai has repeatedly talked about how easy it was to work with the Dragon Quest developers in interviews, which is a point directly against the Stingy Squaretm image. I'm surprised people still believe this after all of the interviews.

Seriously y'all. This info's been out there for a while. It's simply a matter of doing research and getting informed.

Well, I was today years old when I found out about this info. Probably in Season 2 we will get content update on all the franchises, meaning more music, Spirits, etc. I'd see that happening.

 

[KatKit]

Terry not dropping tonight means more chance for a full blown Smash direct next week and I'd much rather have that than Terry now lmao

Next week and beyond is more likely, but I'd be lying if I didn't want a Piranha Plant style drop tomorrow. Like... I just randomly boot up Smash tomorrow evening and he's there. Sakurai can explain in great detail later; people have almost 30 years of references to figure it out lol. Just kidding because SNK needs love, but it would be kinda cool. It would even have that old school arcade sense of discovery feel to it.

 

[SNEKeater]

I don't know, I want a Sakurai presentation explaining all the references and little details about Terry and the rest of his content.

Or at least the same treatment Joker had.

 

[ArchRanger]

For the last time, Square Enix is not stingy with their IPs.

The reason we have so little FF7 content is because the contract was negotiated for BOTH Sm4sh and Ultimate. Since Square gives the rights to their music to their composers (which is the opposite of stingy), it was already difficult to get FF7 music. Furthermore, since the team had double the games to pay for, it makes sense there'd be so little. It's not a matter of Square being stingy, it's a matter of the circumstances surrounding Cloud's inclusion.

Limited DLC budget + 2 games to negotiate for = low amount of content. Nothing stingy there.

Sakurai has repeatedly talked about how easy it was to work with the Dragon Quest developers in interviews, which is a point directly against the Stingy Squaretm image. I'm surprised people still believe this after all of the interviews.

Seriously y'all. This info's been out there for a while. It's simply a matter of doing research and getting informed.

Do you have any sources on the music issue and it being confirmed that it was a double game negotiation? Because Bayonetta doesn’t have that and surely she was negotiated for both games since she was a DLC character as well if that was legitimately a thing.

I made a post a few pages back explaining why Sephiroth probably won’t be added pointing out it may be due to the FF Director being stingy, since DQ’s addition brought in plenty of music and content from the series. Meanwhile Nintendo couldn’t even use Cloud’s original renders for spirits forcing them to use snapshots of the Smash model, didn’t get any more songs from either FF7 or the series as a whole (original, non-remixed), and didn’t get any other content (Mii costumes or spirits) outside of 2 Nintendo made spirits, Cloud, and a stage. You are correct that Nobuo Uematsu owns the rights to his music but if they managed to get two songs permitted, why not more? Nobuo has composed most of the music for the series from FF-FF14 with some game’s scores being entirely made by him so surely there is more to it then just, “the composer owns the rights.”

There’s also the strange thing of Cloud not getting an English voice dub when him and Roy were the only 2 missing one. The funny thing is before SSBU was previewed, most people thought Cloud would get Steve Burton to voice and Roy would stay Japanese only due to his game being only in Japan (or something along those lines, been awhile since I’ve read those discussions) and yet look who got the dub. “I won’t lose!”

All of this suggests to me that it’s not Square Enix that is picky but rather the person that is overseeing Final Fantasy. If the music was really part of a double game negotiation and Bayo was some special exception then it still doesn’t make sense why more FF content wasn’t discussed when they sat down for DQ’s inclusion. It also doesn’t explain the missing Chocobo costume if the deal was made for both games. Why would the costume only be in one and not the other?

 

[SNEKeater]

I don't think Square Enix is incredibly stingy in general, but I guess the FF division of the company is more complicated to negotiate with. I mean Cloud doesn't even have his original artwork from FFVII which is dumb, and I don't think Nomura's an issue, he is a friend of Sakurai.
Then there's the music thing. Uematsu left the company years ago and as far as I know he has some rights about the music he composed.

 

[Will]

Sakurai has repeatedly talked about how easy it was to work with the Dragon Quest developers in interviews, which is a point directly against the Stingy Squaretm image. I'm surprised people still believe this after all of the interviews.

How blasphemous to assume Sakurai was behind giving us MIDIs for Dragon Quest music

 

[dream1ng]

The idea of two games to negotiate for resulting in a lower amount of content would be much more tenable if Street Fighter hadn't shown up to Ultimate with an additional character, AT, music, and spirits.

I think it's pretty obvious that Nintendo was not afraid to allocate a substantial budget towards filling Ultimate with content, which in no small part went towards third-party negotiations. As such, the dearth of FF content can only be attributed to stinginess, the question just comes at whether it's purely a monetary thing, or there are actual (seemingly arbitrary) restrictions on the quantity of content that can be shared, at least from some IPs.

I mean, past the lack of AT, sprits, music, English VA, etc. Cloud doesn't even show up in any cutscenes. There are obviously exceptional rules tied to his appearance. In particular, I can't get behind there not being some weird rigid dogma at play with SE and music. For example, if Hero had only two other alts, I'm convinced we only would've received six pieces of DQ music.

Some companies just have odd hangups. TPC doesn't allow for Pikachu's ears to be obstructed. We still can't get Sugimori art. They were even weird about the Pokemon cries in SMM for a while. I wouldn't be surprised if SE had some weird-ass rules for FF as well.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Ah yes the "I have 40 characters so I'll eventually be right" list. I was wondering when they were going to resort to that.

Hell, the top 2 of My original top 10 are already in. Where's my legion of followers asking me what my sources are saying?

The reason we have so little FF7 content is because the contract was negotiated for BOTH Sm4sh and Ultimate.

Uh, didn't Nintendo say that Cloud was the last "EVERYONE IS HERE" character they secured?

 

[Deleted member]

Hell, the top 2 of My original top 10 are already in. Where's my legion of followers asking me what my sources are saying?

Umm...here?

 

[Luigi The President]

Good taste.

Luigi The President would be happy and I'd love to see it if only for her reaction.

I feel like we'd get Katalina or Euden before Gran. I personally hope we get Katalina for Luigi The President 's sake.

I definitely think Cygames is a likely company people are sleeping on. Granblue is huge and Cygames is gunning to get into the West. They also have a great relationship with Nintendo, so I definitely think getting a Cygames character is possible, even as Fighter #5.

Love you my one and only TPC :") <3

 

[DarthEnderX]

Umm...here?

*pull a piece of paper from his pocket*

It just says "Kunio".