Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

Man, I don't know why, but I can't get it through my head that Digimon is a game franchise first and foremost, at least technically.

I feel like one of those parents who think Pokemon is just a TV show and think the games are based off said TV show. I legitimately didn't know how big "games" were to Digimon until a few years ago. But my brain still just tells me "It's an anime".

Reminds me of when I first tried out the Pokemon games as a kid and was like "Why is Dawn here but not Ash?"

 

[Deleted member]

Uh guys...

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I'd love me some Doomguy but this is laughable. Anything on /v/ is though, so...

I checked the website and it showed nothign strage. Why is that so?

 

[Graizen]

I did check Wikipedia for the best-selling video game franchises on Wikipedia, search for Digimon, and did not return any valid entires. Did the same for both Tekken and Tales, and they're on the lower end of the spectrum. While this isn't known to say that Tekken and Tales are bigger than any other gaming franchise, this goes to show that Tekken and Tales have sold more games than Digimon.

Explain in not less than 5 sentences why Lloyd and Heihachi cannot be good options.

First, use this link and search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises

Second, they ARE good options as characters, but not as creative ones.
Lloyd is a character who doesn't have much to offer that characters like Hero, Link and Marth are already using in the game. Other game characters in his series are more creative than him ( Mikleo, Velvet, etc ).
Heihachi is a fighter who will only use punches and kicks. He is basically a Ryu who doesn't use special attacks. Other game characters in his series are more creative than him ( Jin, Kazuya, etc ).

I'm just saying Bandai Namco has other more creative characters to use. Like Klonoa, KOS-MOS, Prince of Cosmos, Agumon, Don Wada, etc.

 

[DarthEnderX]

And who in the universe created this magical rule that if it's something from Nintendo, anything can appear in Smash?
Let's put Nintendo's 1889 Hanafuda on Smash now?

Why do that when they can just do both and reference one if their Hanafuda video games.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Heihachi is a fighter who will only use punches and kicks. He is basically a Ryu who doesn't use special attacks.

And this is where people stop taking your posts seriously.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I'm just saying Bandai Namco has other more creative characters to use. Like Klonoa, KOS-MOS, Prince of Cosmos, Agumon, Don Wada, etc.

It's going to be Nightmare.

His trailer is going to be this, only with a Smash invitation instead of a shard.

 

[Fenriraga]

Perhaps the same could be said for the Fate franchise, which I support. Fate is more known in the West as the anime franchise and not as the video game franchise, so that's going to cause quite the stir.

Wait

Fate wasn't an anime first either?!

Man, I need to start paying more attention.

 

[Graizen]

And this is where people stop taking your posts seriously.

Just for you:

Full Heihachi Mishima Move List from Tekken 7.

 

[DevaAshera]

Man, I don't know why, but I can't get it through my head that Digimon is a game franchise first and foremost, at least technically.

I feel like one of those parents who think Pokemon is just a TV show and think the games are based off said TV show. I legitimately didn't know how big "games" were to Digimon until a few years ago. But my brain still just tells me "It's an anime".

I know the feeling..though I did originally think it began as an anime until I saw my friend had the original Digital Monsters virtual pet..so it pretty much went Virtual Pet -> Anime -> Video Games
Its kinda like shows made to sell toys, like He-Man, which many remember for the cartoon but actually originated as a toy line first.

First, use this link and search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises

Second, they ARE good options as characters, but not as creative ones.
Lloyd is a character who doesn't have much to offer that characters like Hero, Link and Marth are already using in the game. Other game characters in his series are more creative than him ( Mikleo, Velvet, etc ).
Heihachi is a fighter who will only use punches and kicks. He is basically a Ryu who doesn't use special attacks. Other game characters in his series are more creative than him ( Jin, Kazuya, etc ).

I'm just saying Bandai Namco has other more creative characters to use. Like Klonoa, KOS-MOS, Prince of Cosmos, Agumon, Don Wada, etc.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, but what can Agumon offer that isn't also offered by characters like Charizard, Bowser, or Ridley? He has claws and pepper breath from what I recall. I could see his Final Smash also being similar to Bowser's only with Metal Greymon (I know Greymon makes more sense..but I've always loved Metal Greymon..especially the original Blue one rather than the Orange one popularized by the anime).

For the record, because of my love for gothic style girls, my favorite Digimon is Ladydevimon.

 

[Sysreq]

Man, I don't know why, but I can't get it through my head that Digimon is a game franchise first and foremost, at least technically.

I feel like one of those parents who think Pokemon is just a TV show and think the games are based off said TV show. I legitimately didn't know how big "games" were to Digimon until a few years ago. But my brain still just tells me "It's an anime".

Well, think of it this way: there are tons of people out there who know and remember Digimon from their childhood, but if you went up to some of them and said "hey, did you know there were a bunch of Digimon RPGs on the PS1?" or "there have been several Digimon fighting games?" It's very possible they'd say no.

Wait

Fate wasn't an anime first either?!

Man, I need to start paying more attention.

Yeah Fate started as a visual novel (with porn).

 

[Deleted member]

First, use this link and search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises

Second, they ARE good options as characters, but not as creative ones.
Lloyd is a character who doesn't have much to offer that characters like Hero, Link and Marth are already using in the game. Other game characters in his series are more creative than him.
Heihachi is a fighter who will only use punches and kicks. He is basically a Ryu who doesn't use special attacks. Other game characters in his series are more creative than him.

I'm just saying Bandai Namco has other more creative characters to use. Like Klonoa, KOS-MOS, Prince of Cosmos, Agumon, Don Wada, etc.

Okay, okay, okay. I see where you're going here. I found Digimon has around $6.36 billion dollars. I'll give you credit for that.

Again with the anime swordies that can have the potential to have different mechanics. Link has projectiles. Hero has RNG.

Heihachi only uses punches and kicks, yet the way he uses them is in a different way. However, Sakurai has a policy of getting mascots first. HAd we gone with that logic, we would've been asking for Alisa Bosconovitch before we get the old man.

Wait

Fate wasn't an anime first either?!

Man, I need to start paying more attention.

Fate was a visual novel before it went anime. Visual novels are considered anime, hence, why she has a chance despite the numerous misconceptions.

 

[DevaAshera]

Wait

Fate wasn't an anime first either?!

Man, I need to start paying more attention.

Yup, Fate/Stay Night originated as an Adult Visual Novel Game for Windows..believe it or not, its tamer now than when it started..and a tamer 15+ port of that visual novel was released for the PlayStation 2.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Just for you:

Full Heihachi Mishima Move List from Tekken 7.

You edited your post adding characters you clearly don't know anything about. You claim Heihachi is "just Ryu who punches and kicks with no special moves", yet proceeded to list "more interesting" Tekken characters who use the exact same fighting style as Heihachi. I dont even know anything about Tales and your comment about Lloyd fighting similarly to Link or Hero is blatantly ignorant. There are no characters in the game that use two swords.

Why should we have Agumon in Smash when he adds nothing new to the game that isnt already accomplished by Bowser, or even Charizard.

 

[Graizen]

I know the feeling..though I did originally think it began as an anime until I saw my friend had the original Digital Monsters virtual pet..so it pretty much went Virtual Pet -> Anime -> Video Games
Its kinda like shows made to sell toys, like He-Man, which many remember for the cartoon but actually originated as a toy line first.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, but what can Agumon offer that isn't also offered by characters like Charizard, Bowser, or Ridley? He has claws and pepper breath from what I recall. I could see his Final Smash also being similar to Bowser's only with Metal Greymon (I know Greymon makes more sense..but I've always loved Metal Greymon..especially the original Blue one rather than the Orange one popularized by the anime)

1 - Evolve 3 times:

Spoiler

2 - Using his evolutions he will fight in many different ways, abusing wings, fire, missiles and even horns if needed.

3 - As a character born in monster breeding games, he may even need to feed during battles in order to have more energy.

4 - If you would like some more information about him and his evolutions, please use the links below:
https://wikimon.net/Agumon
https://wikimon.net/Greymon
https://wikimon.net/Metal_Greymon
https://wikimon.net/War_Greymon

 

[GoodGrief741]

Man, I don't know why, but I can't get it through my head that Digimon is a game franchise first and foremost, at least technically.

I feel like one of those parents who think Pokemon is just a TV show and think the games are based off said TV show. I legitimately didn't know how big "games" were to Digimon until a few years ago. But my brain still just tells me "It's an anime".

Well, Digimon is a videogame franchise first, but definitely not foremost. That's why I think that it won't get into Smash, just like Fate. It may be one of the most lucrative franchises but that's not at all due to the games; you look at the games side of Digimon and you find nothing that made any impact over any other regular licensed game.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Uh guys...

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Finally a roster I can get behind!

 

[Deleted member]

Well, Digimon is a videogame franchise first, but definitely not foremost. That's why I think that it won't get into Smash, just like Fate. It may be one of the most lucrative franchises but that's not at all due to the games; you look at the games side of Digimon and you find nothing that made any impact over any other regular licensed game.

Pretty much. Association does have a big impact in the Smash roster.

Pokemon is known for both the game and anime.

Digimon and Fate are more known for the anime than their games.

If any of the two above franchises were ever added to Smash, it would cause quite the confusion to say the least. Ranging from "wtf they added an anime character to Smash where's Goku" to "i thought they only said game characters only", knowing the Smash community.

 

[Graizen]

You edited your post adding characters you clearly don't know anything about. You claim Heihachi is "just Ryu who punches and kicks with no special moves", yet proceeded to list "more interesting" Tekken characters who use the exact same fighting style as Heihachi. I dont even know anything about Tales and your comment about Lloyd fighting similarly to Link or Hero is blatantly ignorant. There are no characters in the game that use two swords.

Why should we have Agumon in Smash when he adds nothing new to the game that isnt already accomplished by Bowser, or even Charizard.

See, I don't want to offend you at all, I completely respect your opinion. I'm sorry if I offended you by talking about Heihachi here, it was never my intention.

But I played Tekken many years of my life, plus I also played the vast majority of the games I quoted for sure.
And I know that Tekken characters are extremely "ordinary" compared to characters like the Prince of Cosmos who can transform thousands of things into giant spheres, or Klonoa who can use his ring to use his enemies as his own weapon. Or even games like Tales of the Abyss that are awesome, but the main character has nothing special besides using swords to deal blows you see in 90% of JRPG games.

 

[Ben Holt]

My official prediction for the next two months:
November 5-ish: Terry gets released and we get an announcement for the final character of the first Fighter's Pass: Doom Slayer. Releases January 2020.
Game Awards comes around. We get a teaser for the next Crash Bandicoot game in the style of the N. Sane Trilogy. Coco opens up her email and says, "Oh, it's for you Crash!" Crash takes the computer and scratches his head in confusion. The camera then turns 180° and zooms in on Coco's laptop screen with a Smash Invitation letter.
Crash Bandicoot crashes the party.
Fighter's Pass 2 revealed.
Edit: Coco is an Echo.

 

[Graizen]

Well, Digimon is a videogame franchise first, but definitely not foremost. That's why I think that it won't get into Smash, just like Fate. It may be one of the most lucrative franchises but that's not at all due to the games; you look at the games side of Digimon and you find nothing that made any impact over any other regular licensed game.

Play this game, you will see a big impact:
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/digimon-story-cyber-sleuth-complete-edition-switch/

 

[DevaAshera]

1 - Evolve 3 times:

Spoiler

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2 - Using his evolutions he will fight in many different ways, abusing wings, fire, missiles and even horns if needed.

3 - As a character born in monster breeding games, he may even need to feed during battles in order to have more energy.

4 - If you would like some more information about him and his evolutions, please use the links below:
https://wikimon.net/Agumon
https://wikimon.net/Greymon
https://wikimon.net/Metal_Greymon
https://wikimon.net/War_Greymon

Oh, I know all about the Agumon line, but I don't think that would work very well, especially for a 3rd Party character.
- It is essentially 4 characters in 1 since not all of them would be able to play similarly to one another.
-- This also makes them somewhat similar to Pokémon Trainer in regards to how they'd feel.
- Greymon and Metal Greymon are giant Digimon, they wouldn't work as characters. I mean, yeah, Ridley was shrunk, but I think it would be more noticable with Greymon and Metal Greymon, to be honest.
- I don't know if having to eat would make for a fun mechanic. It reminds me of the 'tiring' mechanic Pokémon Trainer had and was removed due to being poorly received.
- I see that Agumon does have more than just claws and Pepper Breath, the ability to brandish an Axe was particularly interesting, but he still doesn't have that much that other characters don't, so I don't see how he's more creative than Lloyd, who has dual swords and various spells, or Heihachi, who could have a juggling mechanic of sorts to reference Tekken. They all seem fairly even grounded to me.

 

[D019]

I checked the website and it showed nothign strage. Why is that so?

probably modify with inspect element, i'll try to upload the tutorial

 

[Spongeboob]

Mario should be in Smash.

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I checked the website and it showed nothign strage. Why is that so?

I wanted to mess with the CSS.

Spoiler

B-B-BUT THAT'S PART OF THE SPOOKY! THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK! AAAAAAA

Just for you:

Full Heihachi Mishima Move List from Tekken 7.

Neat.

 

[Deleted member]

My official prediction for the next two months:
November 5-ish: Terry gets released and we get an announcement for the final character of the first Fighter's Pass: Doom Slayer. Releases January 2020.
Game Awards comes around. We get a teaser for the next Crash Bandicoot game in the style of the N. Sane Trilogy. Coco opens up her email and says, "Oh, it's for you Crash!" Crash takes the computer and scratches his head in confusion. The camera then turns 180° and zooms in on Coco's laptop screen with a Smash Invitation letter.
Crash Bandicoot crashes the party.
Fighter's Pass 2 revealed.

Fighters Pass officially ends in February 2020, sorry. Also, there was a fake Doom Slayer leak that you might've bypassed so...
And there I will be still crying in the corner about why I won't get the representation in the DLC that is deserving of Smash Bros.,

 

[Ben Holt]

Fighters Pass officially ends in February 2020, sorry. Also, there was a fake Doom Slayer leak that you might've bypassed so...
And there I will be still crying in the corner about why I won't get the representation in the DLC that is deserving of Smash Bros.,

Check my edit.

 

[Graizen]

Oh, I know all about the Agumon line, but I don't think that would work very well, especially for a 3rd Party character.
- It is essentially 4 characters in 1 since not all of them would be able to play similarly to one another.
-- This also makes them somewhat similar to Pokémon Trainer in regards to how they'd feel.
- Greymon and Metal Greymon are giant Digimon, they wouldn't work as characters. I mean, yeah, Ridley was shrunk, but I think it would be more noticable with Greymon and Metal Greymon, to be honest.
- I don't know if having to eat would make for a fun mechanic. It reminds me of the 'tiring' mechanic Pokémon Trainer had and was removed due to being poorly received.
- I see that Agumon does have more than just claws and Pepper Breath, the ability to brandish an Axe was particularly interesting, but he still doesn't have that much that other characters don't, so I don't see how he's more creative than Lloyd, who has dual swords and various spells, or Heihachi, who could have a juggling mechanic of sorts to reference Tekken. They all seem fairly even grounded to me.

1 - Agumon, Greymon and MetalGreymon have the same body type, he don't need so much work as people think.
2 - "Giant Digimon" , no. In games they were never giant.

Spoiler

3 - Why not a fun mechanic? You as a player can give your Agumon something to eat, it's fun and cute!
4 - Lloyd use 2 Swords and some magic, Heihachi can punch and kick. How is that more interesting than using WarGreymon to fly and trow a Gaia Force?

 

[Sysreq]

Oh, I know all about the Agumon line, but I don't think that would work very well, especially for a 3rd Party character.
- It is essentially 4 characters in 1 since not all of them would be able to play similarly to one another.
-- This also makes them somewhat similar to Pokémon Trainer in regards to how they'd feel.
- Greymon and Metal Greymon are giant Digimon, they wouldn't work as characters. I mean, yeah, Ridley was shrunk, but I think it would be more noticable with Greymon and Metal Greymon, to be honest.
- I don't know if having to eat would make for a fun mechanic. It reminds me of the 'tiring' mechanic Pokémon Trainer had and was removed due to being poorly received.
- I see that Agumon does have more than just claws and Pepper Breath, the ability to brandish an Axe was particularly interesting, but he still doesn't have that much that other characters don't, so I don't see how he's more creative than Lloyd, who has dual swords and various spells, or Heihachi, who could have a juggling mechanic of sorts to reference Tekken. They all seem fairly even grounded to me.

I could see it working okay if it were like the original Digimon Rumble arena where it was just Agumon and WarGreymon. If it were maybe like an Arsene meter and then he transformed (warp-digivolved) into WarGreymon or something, idk. I feel like Greymon and MetalGreymon should be left out though. Still, it's a little shaky.

 

[Deleted member]

Check my edit.

Seen it. But I doubt we get echoes in one challenger pack.

I know it's your wishlist and everything, but...yeah.

I could see it working okay if it were like the original Digimon Rumble arena where it was just Agumon and WarGreymon. If it were maybe like an Arsene meter and then he transformed (warp-digivolved) into WarGreymon or something, idk. I feel like Greymon and MetalGreymon should be left out though. Still, it's a little shaky.

Dude that'll be more broken than Joker will ever be but it does increase his size and weight so he'll be combo food.

 

[Banado_Boy]

imo, it feels like even Namco themselves prioritize Digimon more as an anime series than a game series. Their 15th anniversary project was an anime rather than a video game (Digimon Adventure tri).

You also never really see the series get much gaming crossovers like with their other IPs.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Yoooo, this only just dawned on me.

Since we have Terry coming in with Ryu and Ken again...

Can we PLEAAAASE get some CvS music on Terry's stage? Please?

It’d also be nice to have Chun-Li and Mai here, looking at that cover.

 

[dream1ng]

Past the fact that it's significantly underplaying Sakurai's ability to mine originality, the capacity for creativity in a third-party moveset is rather meaningless in terms of selection. Maybe Heihachi and Lloyd come up short when compared to others, maybe they don't. It doesn't matter. Third-parties don't get included based on who would make for the most interesting possible moveset.

It's who they are, from which series they hail, or how many people seem to be clamoring for them that precipitates inclusion.

 

[Deleted member]

Digimon is the 2nd highest grossing Bamco franchise, but still its a position that it has pretty much due to the non videogame related media.

If you wanna represent virtual pets, Tamagotchi is a better option due to popularizing it in the 90s and whose name is also used as a synonym for Virtual Pet and those are more popular in that area compared to Digimon. If you wanna represent Bamco Videogames, Tales and Tekken are miles ahead of Digimon in regards of impact and influence in the game industry.

Don't really care much about Digimon honestly, but seems that its position as 2nd biggest fish at Bamco being used as it making it more likely its faulty as well when we have a story of franchises appearing from companies where their biggest franchises are yet to be represented like Halo and Resident Evil.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Play this game, you will see a big impact:
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/digimon-story-cyber-sleuth-complete-edition-switch/

I do know about it because of a friend who really digs the Digimon games, but as good as it may be it's not an all-time gaming classic, nor does it change the perception that Digimon is an anime franchise. Until one of those happens, I can't see Digimon joining Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

imo, it feels like even Namco themselves prioritize Digimon more as an anime series than a game series. Their 15th anniversary project was an anime rather than a video game (Digimon Adventure tri).

You also never really see the series get much gaming crossovers like with their other IPs.

Which just adds to Digimon's issue of association.

People know Digimon more as an anime. With the above statement in mind, it's no wonder why people would treat it as such. Since the anime is more well-known than the games, Bamco decided to capitalize on that.

Digimon is the 2nd highest grossing Bamco franchise, but still its a position that it has pretty much due to the non videogame related media.

If you wanna represent virtual pets, Tamagotchi is a better option due to popularizing it in the 90s and whose name is also used as a synonym for Virtual Pet and those are more popular in that area compared to Digimon. If you wanna represent Bamco Videogames, Tales and Tekken are miles ahead of Digimon in regards of impact and influence in the game industry.

Don't really care much about Digimon honestly, but seems that its position as 2nd biggest fish at Bamco being used as it making it more likely its faulty as well when we have a story of franchises appearing from companies where their biggest franchises are yet to be represented like Halo and Resident Evil.

Yeah, and I could see Tamagotchi in Smash down the road. It did crossover with that old Mario KArt arcade game once....so...

 

[Graizen]

Digimon is the 2nd highest grossing Bamco franchise, but still its a position that it has pretty much due to the non videogame related media.

If you wanna represent virtual pets, Tamagotchi is a better option due to popularizing it in the 90s and whose name is also used as a synonym for Virtual Pet and those are more popular in that area compared to Digimon. If you wanna represent Bamco Videogames, Tales and Tekken are miles ahead of Digimon in regards of impact and influence in the game industry.

Don't really care much about Digimon honestly, but seems that its position as 2nd biggest fish at Bamco being used as it making it more likely its faulty as well when we have a story of franchises appearing from companies where their biggest franchises are yet to be represented like Halo and Resident Evil.

The first Digimon Tamagotchi in 1997 sold 14 million units.
And they making news ones until today! Look: https://toy.bandai.co.jp/series/digimon/topics/detail/998/

 

[dream1ng]

Play this game, you will see a big impact:
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/digimon-story-cyber-sleuth-complete-edition-switch/

If a game has made a big impact, you don't actually have to play the game to be aware of the impact.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Now that I think about it, today's my Digimon-loving friend's birthday and I need to get him a present, so, since we're talking about it, are there any new Digimon games that you'd recommend?

 

[GKMLTTSB]

First, use this link and search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises

Second, they ARE good options as characters, but not as creative ones.
Lloyd is a character who doesn't have much to offer that characters like Hero, Link and Marth are already using in the game. Other game characters in his series are more creative than him ( Mikleo, Velvet, etc ).
Heihachi is a fighter who will only use punches and kicks. He is basically a Ryu who doesn't use special attacks. Other game characters in his series are more creative than him ( Jin, Kazuya, etc ).

I'm just saying Bandai Namco has other more creative characters to use. Like Klonoa, KOS-MOS, Prince of Cosmos, Agumon, Don Wada, etc.

So... iDOLM@STER, it is. then.

What? Don't give me that look.

 

[Ben Holt]

Just saying for those that consider Digimon LCD games "not video games":

 

[Deleted member]

Now that I think about it, today's my Digimon-loving friend's birthday and I need to get him a present, so, since we're talking about it, are there any new Digimon games that you'd recommend?

The only serious game I played was Digimon World Dusk back when I was in 5th grade.