Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Dee Dude]

Belt theory? In that case Sora is a lock!

Kingdom Hearts has got a MASSIVE hard-on for belt and zippers!

Spoiler

But seriously though, belt theory is as silly as S-M-A-S-H theory, someone would have to be LaxChris tinfoil levels of reaching to unironically believe it.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Well I'm sorry I have to do this to all of your favourite characters but you're sleeping on the man who made his belt a weapon!

Spoiler: That's right

It's ROBERT FREEMAN!

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I got a theory!!

Leaker Theory!

Leaker theory goes like this: we will bang on and on about theories and ideas for who Number 5 is but two days before the reveal of character 5, when we've already got a pretty good guess of who it is, Sabi and Verge will come out and say the name and say they've known it for months! MAYBE EVEN YEEEEARS!!!

What do y'all think?

 

[SirCamp]

Belts you say?

Spoiler

 

[Calamitas]

People please stop with the stupid theories and do something productive.

As if Smash speculation could ever be productive, lol.

I got a theory!!

Leaker Theory!

Leaker theory goes like this: we will bang on and on about theories and ideas for who Number 5 is but two days before the reveal of character 5, when we've already got a pretty good guess of who it is, Sabi and Verge will come out and say the name and say they've known it for months! MAYBE EVEN YEEEEARS!!!

What do y'all think?

Not too shabby! But I can do you one better.

Video Game Theory

All future DLC fighters originate from video games.

 

[N3ON]

Honestly can't remember the last "theory" that actually lead to correctly predicting a character.

People would probably say box theory... but we didn't predict those two characters, they'd already leaked.

 

[ZelDan]

Honestly can't remember the last "theory" that actually lead to correctly predicting a character.

People would probably say box theory... but we didn't predict those two characters, they'd already leaked.

I guess you could say box theory showed us the fact that Incineroar and Ken were the last two base additions to Ultimate or that box theory was right and was right we weren't getting more than 2 more characters past Isabelle, unless there was some leak that stated there'd be nothing beyond them for the base roster I'm not aware of.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Honestly can't remember the last "theory" that actually lead to correctly predicting a character.

People would probably say box theory... but we didn't predict those two characters, they'd already leaked.

Stage Builder Theory thought up by me and Noipoi himself.

Remember duringgameplay reveal. There was a stage with an witch and dragon predictingand

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Stage Builder Theory thought up by me and Noipoi himself.

Remember duringgameplay reveal. There was a stage with an witch and dragon predictingand

That was probably more of a huge coincidence than anything...

Looking for hints and references like that is usually pretty ridiculous. It's how we get stuff like chair theory

You sir, just got pretty lucky

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly can't remember the last "theory" that actually lead to correctly predicting a character.

People would probably say box theory... but we didn't predict those two characters, they'd already leaked.

The only theory I follow is Vergeben Theory:
Everything he says is donkey **** until he predicts a new character. Then that's who we'll get.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Vergeben Theory has always been accurate with predictions. Once he says his peace the debate always ends.

 

[Deleted member]

I got a theory!!

Leaker Theory!

Leaker theory goes like this: we will bang on and on about theories and ideas for who Number 5 is but two days before the reveal of character 5, when we've already got a pretty good guess of who it is, Sabi and Verge will come out and say the name and say they've known it for months! MAYBE EVEN YEEEEARS!!!

What do y'all think?

Kind of an issue: Sabi doesn't predict fighters and honestly should stop being referenced for Smash speculation. Remember with Terry where she literally just piggybacked Vergeben?

 

[3BitSaurus]

So here's another video regarding character slots. Some of it is information Source Gaming gave us, but some of it is new, I believe.

The TL;DR is basically this:

- CSS Slots (29/30) were apparently removed altogether
- WoL Slots (originally 16) had 2 slots filled by Joker and PP, then two more added for Hero and Banjo. There are still 14 placeholder slots left (12 post pass)
- The "attack" strings in the code (also 16), apparently had 4 of these occupied by the DLC so far, leaving 12 remaining slots (10 post-pass)

My personal guess is that the "attack" strings are being filled in order because they correspond to the order the characters were implemented, but the WoL slots could be ordered differently due to other development reasons (remember, we got VR mode before HRC, even though HRC came first in the numbering order of Games & More modes). I think that depending on how things go, we might see two more slots being added to the "attack" strings in the future.

 

[NintenZ]

Belt theory.
Every fighter in the fighters pass wears a belt, so any belt wearing characters you want as a fighter?

Pah, who needs one belt...

When you can have two?

She's finally in guys! :3

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So here's another video regarding character slots. Some of it is information Source Gaming gave us, but some of it is new, I believe.

The TL;DR is basically this:

- CSS Slots (29/30) were apparently removed altogether
- WoL Slots (originally 16) had 2 slots filled by Joker and PP, then two more added for Hero and Banjo. There are still 14 placeholder slots left (12 post pass)
- The "attack" strings in the code (also 16), apparently had 4 of these occupied by the DLC so far, leaving 12 remaining slots (10 post-pass)

My personal guess is that the "attack" strings are being filled in order because they correspond to the order the characters were implemented, but the WoL slots could be ordered differently due to other development reasons (remember, we got VR mode before HRC, even though HRC came first in the numbering order of Games & More modes). I think that depending on how things go, we might see two more slots being added to the "attack" strings in the future.

I wonder what the “attack” string corresponds to. Kirby’s Copy Ability maybe?

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I hope Fighter #5 will be revealed in the Terry presentation or whatever they're going to be doing with Terry. I really want it to be Doom Guy.

 

[SvartWolf]

I hope Fighter #5 will be revealed in the Terry presentation or whatever they're going to be doing with Terry. I really want it to be Doom Guy.

I dunnowhy.. but i got the feeling it might be either Loyd, or shantae... (not even a supporter of those characters) but i wouldn't rule out doomguy for teh next pass

 

[RileyXY1]

These theories get weirder and weirder every day.

 

[Flyboy]

I'm still holding out hope for Phoenix Wright. To get my most-wanted, my partner's most-wanted, and our shared pipe dream in a single pass would be just too sweet.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

shantae

Beyond the pass sure but definitely not this one given she's an Spirit.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I dunnowhy.. but i got the feeling it might be either Loyd, or shantae... (not even a supporter of those characters) but i wouldn't rule out doomguy for teh next pass

Lloyd Irving I think has a pretty good chance at being Fighter #5 if Scott Menville's secret project is voicing the character in Smash Ultimate

Shantae seems more likely for the additional DLC though.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Watch that the Namco rep is Agumon, Chosen Dead or KOS-MOS instead. Sakurai surprising us once again as withand Terry. ;P

He's an man of unpredictability. Don't let your guard down.

Of course it all ends once Vergeben speaks out then we know who it is whenever that maybe.

 

[Deleted member]

These theories get weirder and weirder every day.

You can say that again.

 

[Curious Villager]

>When you realize there is still this whole month left until we get more Smash news...

Maybe I should do some Halloween project to pass the time....

 

[Michael the Spikester]

>When you realize there is still this whole month left until we get more Smash news...

Maybe I should do some Halloween project to pass the time....

Watch that we don't get Smash news until the end of November.

 

[Deleted member]

My tip as someone who used to support Shadow is to never take anything for granted or hold ourselves into thinking a small number of specific picks are the only stuff on the run.

It is true that there are some characters such as Doomguy or Hayabusa who have a good number of stuff going on his favour... But so did Shadow.

We need to open our minds as much as possible, dig deeper in regards to many other picks who aren't frequently brought up and prepare ourselves as much as possible for anything.

 

[Curious Villager]

Watch that we don't get Smash news until the end of November.

Hmm probably, probably....

My tip as someone who used to support Shadow is to never take anything for granted or hold ourselves into thinking a small number of specific picks are the only stuff on the run.

It is true that there are some characters such as Doomguy or Hayabusa who have a good number of stuff going on his favour... But so did Shadow.

We need to open our minds as much as possible, dig deeper in regards to many other picks who aren't frequently brought up and prepare ourselves as much as possible for anything.

Yeah this pretty much, after Joker and Terry, its best to keep an open mind.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Lloyd Irving I think has a pretty good chance at being Fighter #5 if Scott Menville's secret project is voicing the character in Smash Ultimate

Shantae seems more likely for the additional DLC though.

Scott's thing was Teen Titans Go crossing over with Scooby Doo iirc

 

[SneakyLink]

Scott's thing was Teen Titans Go crossing over with Scooby Doo iirc

Another one?
I know there was the time when TTG and Scooby Doo were both in a Lego game, but another one?
Also, doesn’t someone else voice Lloyd these days?

 

[Koopaul]

I always felt that predictions need to go in a process of elimination route. Look at which characters are unlikely and then narrow things down. Trying to predict things otherwise doesn't work that well.

Remember when everyone assumed a Ubisoft character was likely for Smash Wii U because of how friendly they were? Instead we got Cloud! Who could have guessed that? You can't. You just can't. I think it's easier to make a list of characters that are very unlikely instead of ones that are likely.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Another one?
I know there was the time when TTG and Scooby Doo were both in a Lego game, but another one?
Also, doesn’t someone else voice Lloyd these days?

This one's apparantly a movie
Yeah, Lloyd got a different VA, Brian Beacock I believe

 

[DarthEnderX]

This one's apparantly a movie

It's just a regular episode, where the Teen Titans play Family Feud against the Scooby gang. It airs tomorrow in fact.

 

[3BitSaurus]

So this is certainly interesting...

Nice to see these videos from Nintendo. While it's not directly related to newcomer speculation, this kind of thing does give me hope that one day we might actually get something revealed at EVO.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Scott's thing was Teen Titans Go crossing over with Scooby Doo iirc

Yeah, Lloyd got a different VA, Brian Beacock I believe

Now that I think about it, Lloyd may not really have the best chance after all, unless Sakurai's view on characters have changed which they usually do.
https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/800/
Interviewer: "Between Bandai and Namco, were there any other strong candidates for inclusion as a fighter?"
Sakurai: "There were none. We basically thought of all the characters at the start of development. We decided on characters we knew we could make. However, there were a few in consideration, such as Heihachi from “Tekken.” "

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So this is certaily interesting...

Nice to see these videos from Nintendo. While it's not directly related to newcomer speculation, this kind of thing does give me hope that one day we might actually get something revealed at EVO.

I mean, we got a Smash direct revealed laat year so it isn't out of the question

 

[NintenZ]

Scott's thing was Teen Titans Go crossing over with Scooby Doo iirc

Was it?

I don't recall any Tweets saying it was specifically for that (Even then that's a pretty weird thing to announce you're keeping a secret about)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Was it?

I don't recall any Tweets saying it was specifically for that (Even then that's a pretty weird thing to announce you're keeping a secret about)

NDAs are NDAs regardless, not only is Scooby Doo still vert wellknown, but sometimes it seems obvious like with Cristina Vee being Edelgard, why bother NDA her recognizable voice?

Now that I think about it, Lloyd may not really have the best chance after all, unless Sakurai's view on characters have changed which they usually do.
https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/800/
Interviewer: "Between Bandai and Namco, were there any other strong candidates for inclusion as a fighter?"
Sakurai: "There were none. We basically thought of all the characters at the start of development. We decided on characters we knew we could make. However, there were a few in consideration, such as Heihachi from “Tekken.” "

To be fair that may have been when compared to Pacman, and nobody could compare to Pacman

 

[NintenZ]

NDAs are NDAs regardless, not only is Scooby Doo still vert wellknown, but sometimes it seems obvious like with Cristina Vee being Edelgard, why bother NDA her recognizable voice?

I checked his Twitter and there's no mention about the Scooby Doo crossover, or any major new project he could be working on whatsoever.

You do have a point with NDAs however although in Scott's case if it's Teen Titans Go it would be pretty obvious.

 

[KatKit]

Stage Builder Theory thought up by me and Noipoi himself.

Remember duringgameplay reveal. There was a stage with an witch and dragon predictingand

What the heck, really?! I don't usually fall for theories, but if a wolf was also on there or something, that's some Sherlock Holmes level stuff y'all figured out. Why didn't this gain traction? It was perfectly hidden in plain sight because of the Joker hype.

I'm about to investigate.

Edit: Okay, so they had a couple of bird themed stages, the witch stage, and at least two dragon stages. That probably wasn't a coincidence. Especially since most of the other levels were blatantly Nintendo themed.

Something that stood out to me was the fish bowl. What could it mean? Ghost Fish? Tecmo Bowl? If Ryu actually becomes a thing, you're theory is 3/5. Even if that's straw graspy and a coincidence, it could legit work. At the very least, it's not as silly as the belt thing or the S.M.A.S.H. acronym or that DV (sorry, guy who came up with that) one from a couple of pages back.

 

[Schnee117]

Something that stood out to me was the fish bowl. What could it mean? .

Mysterio confirmed