Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Schnee117]

Compared to Nightmare though he has a generic design.

And again he's an karate fighter like Ryu.

Heihachi and Ryu wouldn't even remotely play the same.

 

[Aerospherology]

Does anyone think Nintendo/Sakurai might want to add a WTF character as DLC? If so, i'm all for it. Let's all pick two WTF characters, a first-party and one third-party. Here are my picks:

First-party: Victreebel
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A really WTF mon i love.

Third-party: Amingo

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I'm a big fan of Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and his design is so damn cool.

Now i wanna see your choices you handsome sons of *******.

Edit: i just realized that i picked two plants, LOL

First-party:
MissingNo.

Third-party:
Uniracer

 

[Deleted member]

Shaggy>Mario

Yup I said it.

One's the strongest being in the universe with a fearsome look, the other is just some cartoony fighter like Sans.

 

[Deleted member]

Nightmare>Heihachi

Yup I said it.

One's an demonic swordsman with a fearsome look, the other is just some boomer.

FTFY

but in all seriousness, I do prefer Nightmare over Heihachi. They're both antagonists to their respective series which I like since it makes them stand out a lot for DLC when compared to every protagonist currently in it, but what gives Nightmare the edge over Heihachi for me is his design and the existence of SC2 on the gamecube. I feel a lot more personally invested with Soulcalibur in Smash because of that game having Link as a guest character, which I can't say the same for Tekken.

 

[Abade]

bruh

Heihachi is a brutal in-your-face badass who will beat you to death with his electric fists. He threw his son into a volcano and regularly stares down gods and monsters. He's an evil ******* and the world's hero all in one. I love Soulcalibur too but don't go running down the coolest old man in gaming. His unique brand of close-up brutality is something very few characters can bring to the table.

He is also friends with a bear, hits people with bowling pins, and blasts them into space.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

Much like KatKit I'm solidly in the middle. I think having many fighting game icons clash is beyond hype for me. I'm praying for Heihachi and Sol. At the same time that doesn't mean I want it to be all fighters even if I love Street Fighter. To me, the hype comes from seeing gaming worlds collide. I obviously love non-combatants like Style Savvy or Phoenix Wright, but I play lots of games and being in Smash means adding them to a new world where Terry can adopt Ness or Ryu can juggle a Bob-Omb or Ken can work out with Samus or Heihachi can challenge Ganondorf to determine the true king of evil.

I want to see all gaming worlds collide. It's exciting from a gameplay perspective to see how a non-action character will work, but to me it's equally exciting to potentially see Street Fighter vs. Tekken vs. KOF vs. Guilty Gear.

The key, as I've said before, is variety.

Amen. Variety is what makes me so twitterpaded with the series. It's literally a dream come true.

Which is why Scorpion would be so dope. I understand he's not likely, but he's my dream pick.

Watching him throw his spear at Simon while he's cracking his whip...watching him teleport punch Ryu out of shoryuken...seeing him scissor kick an unexpecting Sheik...the stuff of dreams. Or how about this: catching Ganondorf and Bowser, kings of evil, in a final Smash. He drags them down to the Netherrealm, rips off his mask, and as they cower in fear, he torches them with fire breath as the word "Fatality" flashed across the screen before sending them soaring off of the screen.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Amen. Variety is what makes me so twitterpaded with the series. It's literally a dream come true.

Which is why Scorpion would be so dope. I understand he's not likely, but he's my dream pick.

Watching him throw his spear at Simon while he's cracking his whip...watching him teleport punch Ryu out of shoryuken...seeing him scissor kick an unexpecting Sheik...the stuff of dreams. Or how about this: catching Ganondorf and Bowser, kings of evil, in a final Smash. He drags them down to the Netherrealm, rips off his mask, and as they cower in fear, he torches them with fire breath as the word "Fatality" flash across the screen before sending them soaring off of the screen.

I don't know what I agree with more, the contents of this post or its use of the word twitterpated.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Scorpion's never gonna happen given Mortal Kombat's ban in Japan.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

I don't know a whole lot about Tekken aside from the odd few times I've played one of the games at a friend's house, but honestly Heihachi seems like he'd be really cool. A badass fist-fighting old dude that uses electric attacks would be really cool to see and his fighting style would definitely stand out from Terry and Ryu. I just hope they go for the old man Heihachi design instead of the younger look they used for the Mii costume/Playstation All-Stars because we really don't have any boomers old people in the roster and old man Heihachi would add some variety in terms of design. I'm kinda expecting his Mii costume to come back when Terry drops, but if it's still missing by that point, I'd say he'd probably be among the most likely Bamco candidates.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

Scorpion's never gonna happen given Mortal Kombat's ban in Japan.

Mickey Mouse and Robert Downey Jr's. Sherlock Holmes will never happen.

Scorpion is not impossible. Unprobable, unlikely, but not impossible.

 

[Flyboy]

That's what's so cool about Smash. Seeing characters you love clash is enthralling. Scorpion would be such a crazy pick for the potential matchups alone and the idea of Simon vs. Scorpion (or Scorpion vs. Dracula!) is exciting.

Scorpion's never gonna happen given Mortal Kombat's ban in Japan.

cool man thanks for your productive addition to the conversation

 

[cj.]

Scorpion's never gonna happen given Mortal Kombat's ban in Japan.

Banned from console releases*

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

My Main Point for this Theory is that there was a reason they revealed Extra DLC After Terry and NOT AFTER THE FIGHTER PASS. The Individual DLC is gonna be connected to the Fifth Fighter

I think Dante was hinted at when they said Dante had to be on a Nintendo Console to be in Smash. I'm sure Capcom had Sakurai known that DMC is coming to Switch well in advance.

Vergil Still not DLC in DMC5. Considering how popular he is, it is kinda sus

Vergil has the Same Exact Body Type as Dante. This doesn't mean he would be an Echo, but it does mean it would be easier to Develop Him for Individual DLC

Regardless, the fact that they revealed extra DLC after Terry could mean a large amount of things. Extra DLC being related to Fighter #5 could apply to a large amount of other characters besides Dante and Vergill. It's impossible to narrow down.

Furthermore, why would an additional character be related to Character #5? Negotiations for the Fighters Pass concluded last January. It'd make little to no sense for them to negotiate for an additional related character now, unless it was always their plan to separate the characters from each other and sell them separately instead of in the already existing pass, which also wouldn't make sense.

Your "theory" just doesn't make any sense as a whole.

Banned from console releases*

The console release ban is still pretty major, considering that Smash is based off of the Japanese console market.

Mortal Kombat has little to no chance.

 

[KatKit]

Amen. Variety is what makes me so twitterpaded with the series. It's literally a dream come true.

Which is why Scorpion would be so dope. I understand he's not likely, but he's my dream pick.

Watching him throw his spear at Simon while he's cracking his whip...watching him teleport punch Ryu out of shoryuken...seeing him scissor kick an unexpecting Sheik...the stuff of dreams. Or how about this: catching Ganondorf and Bowser, kings of evil, in a final Smash. He drags them down to the Netherrealm, rips off his mask, and as they cower in fear, he torches them with fire breath as the word "Fatality" flash across the screen before sending them soaring off of the screen.

You almost had an excellent pitch, but you forgot one thing:

In all seriousness, good luck, man.

 

[7NATOR]

Regardless, the fact that they revealed extra DLC after Terry could mean a large amount of things. Extra DLC being related to Fighter #5 could apply to a large amount of other characters besides Dante and Vergill. It's impossible to narrow down.

Furthermore, why would an additional character be related to Character #5? Negotiations for the Fighters Pass concluded last January. It'd make little to no sense for them to negotiate for an additional related character now, unless it was always their plan to separate the characters from each other and sell them separately instead of in the already existing pass, which also wouldn't make sense.

Your "theory" just doesn't make any sense as a whole.

The console release ban is still pretty major, considering that Smash is based off of the Japanese console market.

Mortal Kombat has little to no chance.

The could have negotiated for BOTH Dante and Vergil Back then. Also I bet you that Some (NOT ALL) of the extra DLC was planned.

As for why Dante and Vergil, It's cause my body told me

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Mortal Kombat has little to no chance.

Mortal Kombat has a legacy, Scorpion is iconic, and we've gotten some fighting game reps in Smash already

I don't get why people always bring up "Japan doesn't care about MK" to dismiss MK's chances, Japan didn't care about Little Mac. The west didnt care about Hero, or Corrin, or Bayonetta (to a certain extent)

The fact that Sakurai brings up adding more universes into Smash makes anyone a possibility. They want to make this the biggest crossover in gaming history, and they want characters that bring attention to the game. How does Scorpion not fit any of that criteria?

 

[cj.]

The console release ban is still pretty major, considering that Smash is based off of the Japanese console market.

Mortal Kombat has little to no chance.

However, not all games have been banned from console releases, MK, MK2, MKT, MKDA, MKD, MKvsDC
In addition, there is no rule that says that a non-popular character in Japan cannot enter

 

[TheYungLink]

I would like to congratulate this thread for not limiting themselves to talking about who is rumored / """leaked""" and actually gushing about their most-wanteds and how they'd work in Smash, as well as their likelihood. Let's keep it up!

 

[SvartWolf]

Regarding Soul Calibur, it is one of the few franchises I can see that you have a lot of options as to who is added.

1. Nightmare is kind of the mascot and its conflict with Siegried is central to the series, they both possess the central swords to the series which would be great to see
2. Mitsurugi is one of the central characters and pretty much one of the only ones that playable in every entry since Soul Edge. He is also the posterboy for a lot of the entries.
3. Sophitia is in a similar position as Mitsurugi as the postergirl of the series and her family had a major role in V, plus she is one of the known wielders of the Soul Calibur.
4. Xianghua is kind of the protagonist of Soul Calibur although her importance to the plot varies a lot, she still is one of the few characters that uses Soul Calibur
5. Cervantes was the main antagonist of Soul Edge and continues to be one of the most enduring characters in the series, has one of the most unique archetypes ever being a dualwielding zombie pirate plus he can also use the Soul Edge
6. Talim is the most popular character although she doesn't really have that big of a role compared to others

If a Soul Calibur character is added, I only hope they change the weapon skins with the recolors.

I love how mitsurugi certainly would look like teh protagonist to any outsider of teh series.. but plot wise, he barely manages to do anything of importance canonically and sometimes he is even comic relief.. anyway, yeah he is one of the mascots... or rather... teh series pet

Xianghua is a strange bird as is likely as much protagonist as killik in SC one , but then, be it for not great writing or whatnot, doesn't do much in the other games... a oity, since the character had potential, hope they move her forward in the new storyline.

Talim like zasalamel is popular, but is not the MOST popular, she looked super popular because along with zasalamel, they were the 2 most glaring ommisions from SCV even if they actually make perfect sense to have in teh story. At least setsuka, taki and the others had their movesets in teh game, or something "close enough"...

Still, nightmare is the face of soul calibur, even if the series manages to keep most of its cast somewhat relevant. Sigfried can always come as an echo/ costume, even if they have differentiated during teh series, they have been many times parallels.

Regarding SCVI Looking forward to teh next season pass (hoping for Hilde T.T and Lizardman) and i really hope that they keep expanding the game with season passes or even an expansion...

My Main Point for this Theory is that there was a reason they revealed Extra DLC After Terry and NOT AFTER THE FIGHTER PASS. The Individual DLC is gonna be connected to the Fifth Fighter

I wouldnt rule out Dante certainly.. but as some people have said this theory is grasping at straws...

the extra ammount of DLC was always something that was in the planning stage... but they for one reason or another werent 100% sure that they would release more fighters past the pass until now.. probably something they decided during hero and banjo development,and once that was completed, and work started for terry and whoever is teh 5th character, they made teh decission, made teh plans, and started the respective negotiations, and as soem of those negotiations are likely finished and they know 100% that they are going to develop such characters, they announced the extra characters...

 

[Idon]

Mortal Kombat has a legacy, Scorpion is iconic, and we've gotten some fighting game reps in Smash already

I don't get why people always bring up "Japan doesn't care about MK" to dismiss MK's chances, Japan didn't care about Little Mac. The west didnt care about Hero, or Corrin, or Bayonetta (to a certain extent)

The fact that Sakurai brings up adding more universes into Smash makes anyone a possibility. They want to make this the biggest crossover in gaming history, and they want characters that bring attention to the game. How does Scorpion not fit any of that criteria?

I think that the key distinction is that America does care about those things, at least enough to justify decades of localizations for Dragon Quest, a gorillion sales in Fire Emblem Awakening, and hell Bayonetta was never a Japan-centric series to begin with. Plus, Japan straight up made Punch Out, so someone's gotta be buying those copies.

See, what helps is that America actually managed to get those games. The fact that Netherrealm Studios is simply giving up on ever localizing/censoring modern Mortal Kombat games to Japanese audiences is a pretty big point that I think would be foolish to equate to simply being "not as popular in this region."

Sidenote: Speaking as the guy who straight up had Vergil as his avi for a long while, there is ****ING ZERO chance of that ever happening, lol. This isn't Ryu and Ken, this is Mega-man X and Zero levels of differences, same bodyshape be damned, lmao.

 

[SvartWolf]

Sidenote: Speaking as the guy who straight up had Vergil as his avi for a long while, there is ****ING ZERO chance of that ever happening, lol. This isn't Ryu and Ken, this is Mega-man X and Zero levels of differences, same bodyshape be damned, lmao.

Vergil confirmed as a captain falcon echo.

 

[NintenZ]

Honestly I’m beginning to think too many third-parties may not be a very good thing, too much of a good thing can be bad, and there’s nothing saying a reveal has to top a previous reveal.

There are some third-parties I’d love to see, yes, but Nintendo characters provide a great sense of balance and honestly I don’t think every reveal HAS to top the last one.

Idk, just something I’ve been kinda thinking about I guess, tell me what you think.

 

[Jomosensual]

Does anyone think Nintendo/Sakurai might want to add a WTF character as DLC? If so, i'm all for it. Let's all pick two WTF characters, a first-party and one third-party. Here are my picks:

First-party: Victreebel
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A really WTF mon i love.

Third-party: Amingo

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I'm a big fan of Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and his design is so damn cool.

Now i wanna see your choices you handsome sons of *******.

Edit: i just realized that i picked two plants, LOL

First party:
Sandbag

3rd Party:
No clue

 

[perfectchaos83]

Honestly I’m beginning to think too many third-parties may not be a very good thing, too much of a good thing can be bad, and there’s nothing saying a reveal has to top a previous reveal.

There are some third-parties I’d love to see, yes, but Nintendo characters provide a great sense of balance and honestly I don’t think every reveal HAS to top the last one.

Idk, just something I’ve been kinda thinking about I guess, tell me what you think.

This has always been something that bothered me with speculation, Especially because it breeds "X Character isn't hype/exciting enough to be revealed". In my mind, I don't think that character 5 is going to be a hype nuke, I personally don't think any of the characters revealed thus far to be hype nukes barring Banjo, arguably. I expect the same trend as we have been getting.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

The could have negotiated for BOTH Dante and Vergil Back then. Also I bet you that Some (NOT ALL) of the extra DLC was planned.

As for why Dante and Vergil, It's cause my body told me

The key word here is "could." Sure, they could have negotiated for them, but they also could not have. The large hypothetical at the center of your argument doesn't help your claim that it's true.

Mortal Kombat has a legacy, Scorpion is iconic, and we've gotten some fighting game reps in Smash already

I don't get why people always bring up "Japan doesn't care about MK" to dismiss MK's chances, Japan didn't care about Little Mac. The west didnt care about Hero, or Corrin, or Bayonetta (to a certain extent)

The fact that Sakurai brings up adding more universes into Smash makes anyone a possibility. They want to make this the biggest crossover in gaming history, and they want characters that bring attention to the game. How does Scorpion not fit any of that criteria?

However, not all games have been banned from console releases, MK, MK2, MKT, MKDA, MKD, MKvsDC
In addition, there is no rule that says that a non-popular character in Japan cannot enter

Is Mortal Kombat a possibility? Yes. I'm not really going to rule anything out at this point. However,

• In regards to the crossover point, there are a lot of series that actually exist in Japan that could be added, especially when it comes to fighting games. Guilty Gear, Tekken, and Samurai Shodown all immediately come to mind.
• In regards to the Japanese vs. Western popularity, it seems that Western characters only really break through with large amounts of fan demand. Little Mac was a popular Western pick for Sm4sh, Ridley was a really popular Western pick for Ultimate, and Banjo was a popular Western pick for Ultimate DLC (It is worth mentioning that K. Rool was really popular in the West, but also had popularity in the East too). Even then, most characters have a balance of Eastern and Western popularity, with Eastern popularity seeming to be more important. Mortal Kombat practically doesn't exist in Japan, and it isn't even that popular of a pick in the West. This makes me seriously doubt the series' chances in Smash.

 

[Flyboy]

Sometimes it's just fun to talk about what cool action figure you wanna bring to the children's party game, man. Let folks dream.

 

[Jomosensual]

Sometimes it's just fun to talk about what cool action figure you wanna bring to the children's party game, man. Let folks dream.

This 100 percent. There's a bunch of Sony characters I'd love to see make it in to Smash, like Kratos and Nathan Drake. Just because it's not going to happen doesn't mean we shouldn't think about how cool it would be it see them included.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Sometimes it's just fun to talk about what cool action figure you wanna bring to the children's party game, man. Let folks dream.

NO

DLC Speculation for my funny character fighting game is SERIOUS BUSINESS, and ought to be treated as such.

If you're trying to have a good time then you're in the wrong place.

>:^(
this is a joke I'm actually sorry if I come across like the fun police trying to stop people from having a good time I just like debating people I don't mean any disrespect when I argue against characters so please don't take anything personally

 

[TheCJBrine]

NO

DLC Speculation for my funny character fighting game is SERIOUS BUSINESS, and ought to be treated as such.

If you're trying to have a good time then you're in the wrong place.

>:^(
this is a joke I'm actually sorry if I come across like the fun police trying to stop people from having a good time I just like debating people I don't mean any disrespect when I argue against characters so please don't take anything personally

It does honestly feel like that sometimes, though.

 

[cj.]

The key word here is "could." Sure, they could have negotiated for them, but they also could not have. The large hypothetical at the center of your argument doesn't help your claim that it's true.


Is Mortal Kombat a possibility? Yes. I'm not really going to rule anything out at this point. However,

• In regards to the crossover point, there are a lot of series that actually exist in Japan that could be added, especially when it comes to fighting games. Guilty Gear, Tekken, and Samurai Shodown all immediately come to mind.
• In regards to the Japanese vs. Western popularity, it seems that Western characters only really break through with large amounts of fan demand. Little Mac was a popular Western pick for Sm4sh, Ridley was a really popular Western pick for Ultimate, and Banjo was a popular Western pick for Ultimate DLC (It is worth mentioning that K. Rool was really popular in the West, but also had popularity in the East too). Even then, most characters have a balance of Eastern and Western popularity, with Eastern popularity seeming to be more important. Mortal Kombat practically doesn't exist in Japan, and it isn't even that popular of a pick in the West. This makes me seriously doubt the series' chances in Smash.

According to what Sakurai said in the last live on Banjo and music, it seems that he is concerned about the language barrier, so that may be a reason why he focuses more on Japan, however it is only a guess, Sakurai has surprised us before destroying arguments that fans have against "x character" who knows? maybe he could even surprise us with Sora!

 

[Roberk]

Sometimes it's just fun to talk about what cool action figure you wanna bring to the children's party game, man. Let folks dream.

Yeah but my action figure is much better and more deserving than yours, so you shouldn't bring it because we can just play with mine instead.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Heihachi and Ryu wouldn't even remotely play the same.

Don't nobody care about gameplay! They care about character archetypes!

And Heihachi is very much the same archetype as Ryu and Ken.

But Nightmare ain't no archetype that's in Smash. Ganondorf is the only one that even comes close.

Honestly I’m beginning to think too many third-parties may not be a very good thing

You're beginning to suffer from wrongthink.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I would like to congratulate this thread for not limiting themselves to talking about who is rumored / """leaked""" and actually gushing about their most-wanteds and how they'd work in Smash, as well as their likelihood. Let's keep it up!

Well if that's the current trend then I think I'll talk about Amaterasu in a much less negative light. First of all she'd bring awesome music and visuals through her stage and tracklist. I also have a cool idea for her Neutral Special: Celestial Brush. This allows you to draw one of the Celestial Brush techniques that do various things:

• Drawing a circle gives you a Cherry Bomb that can be rolled around and explodes on contact with enemies or just after a few seconds. (True this input is for Sunrise but that technique wouldn't be helpful in Smash and it would be ludicrous to expect a player to draw the extra line really quickly.)
• Drawing a straight line gives you Power Slash; A single slash in front of Amaterasu that doesn't have any end-lag.
• Drawing a loop-de-loop uses Galestorm to push opponents away from you.
• Drawing a scribble uses Rejuvination to heal 5%.

Her Up Special could be Vine, which allows you to draw her flight path before she takes off. The drawback to using these moves is that they use ink, and Amaterasu cannot recover if she doesn't have ink.

 

[DarthEnderX]

So...the Tockles spirit you get awarded if you've played DQ11 or it's demo, is no lomger available by the time DQ11 launches?

Brilliant move Nintendo...

 

[Idon]

Don't nobody care about gameplay! They care about character archetypes!

And Heihachi is very much the same archetype as Ryu and Ken.

But Nightmare ain't no archetype that's in Smash. Ganondorf is the only one that even comes close.

Meanwhile Smash Bros a few months from now:

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

It does honestly feel like that sometimes, though.

I'll fess up, I'm certainly punchy at times with my jokes. Most of the time I make fun of points more so than people. While I acknowledge that can still hurt, it really is nothing personal. I acknowledge this could be seen as a fault though and I'm working on finding a good balance between joking and being serious.

According to what Sakurai said in the last live on Banjo and music, it seems that he is concerned about the language barrier, so that may be a reason why he focuses more on Japan, however it is only a guess, Sakurai has surprised us before destroying arguments that fans have against "x character" who knows? maybe he could even surprise us with Sora!

This is true. Like I said, I won't throw anything out the window since Sakurai and co. have busted our fan rules and predictions time and time again. I'd just be surprised if MK got in is all.

Mario vs. Scorpion would be an absolutely surreal match-up.

 

[RWyvern]

my hypothesis for dante in smash is still just the fact a Specific Statement was made and then the first two games were released on Switch mere months later

That is all

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Going to be honest, Untitled Goose Game looks like a charming and creative, if ultimately short experience...

I'm already tired of hearing about it everywhere on social media...

 

[KatKit]

In hindsight, with the old Ryu Hayabusa rumors and the recent Soul Calibur talk... it would be nice to have these two fought alongside each other again.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

I'll fess up, I'm certainly punchy at times with my jokes. Most of the time I make fun of points more so than people. While I acknowledge that can still hurt, it really is nothing personal. I acknowledge this could be seen as a fault though and I'm working on finding a good balance between joking and being serious.

Your posts don't even compare to places like GameFAQs, Reddit or even Twitter sometimes tbh. Nothing to apologize for.

Don't nobody care about gameplay! They care about character archetypes!

And Heihachi is very much the same archetype as Ryu and Ken.

But Nightmare ain't no archetype that's in Smash. Ganondorf is the only one that even comes close.

Dont say that out loud, people might end up calling Nightmare a Ganondorf clone.