Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[BZL8]

Not sure if relevant or people here know but...

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20191002-00010002-teikokudb-ind

AlphaDream, the developer of the Mario & Luigi games, has filed for bankruptcy. The article is in Japanese, though. This sucks in many ways since the Mario RPGs currently are kind of in a state of limbo.

Don't know how this would affect characters like Fawful, Antasma, or Cackletta.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

You know what I'd really like to see more of with DLC? Standalone stage DLC. Now that we seemingly aren't being limited to 108 stages assuming the DLC characters come from new franchises, I'd really like to see them expand the stage list as much as possible. I'm not just talking about revamped versions of older stages like Poke Floats or Pac-Maze, but new stages for games that couldn't get a character for whatever reason. I recently beat Celeste and while Madeline is far from my most wanted character, I was thinking about how awesome a Celeste Mountain stage with a few music tracks would be. Seeing the already gorgeous locations from that game translated into Ultimate's 3D artstyle would be an absolute treat, plus we'd finally get a snowy location that isn't Summit for once. I doubt standalone stages will happen considering the amount of resources that go into the challenger packs, but man it'd be great if stages got more love.

 

[Izanagi97]

Not sure if relevant or people here know but...

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20191002-00010002-teikokudb-ind

AlphaDream, the developer of the Mario & Luigi games, has filed for bankruptcy. The article is in Japanese, though. This sucks in many ways since the Mario RPGs currently are kind of in a state of limbo.

Don't know how this would affect characters like Fawful, Antasma, or Cackletta.

Well ****. I remember playing Superstar Saga back when I had a GBA

 

[RileyXY1]

Not sure if relevant or people here know but...

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20191002-00010002-teikokudb-ind

AlphaDream, the developer of the Mario & Luigi games, has filed for bankruptcy. The article is in Japanese, though. This sucks in many ways since the Mario RPGs currently are kind of in a state of limbo.

Don't know how this would affect characters like Fawful, Antasma, or Cackletta.

DeMille is another character who would be affected by this, but his chances are low to basically nonexistent.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

You almost had an excellent pitch, but you forgot one thing:

In all seriousness, good luck, man.

You know I though about incorporating that in there somewhere, but ultimately didn't. A missed opportunity on my part.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Not sure if relevant or people here know but...

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20191002-00010002-teikokudb-ind

AlphaDream, the developer of the Mario & Luigi games, has filed for bankruptcy. The article is in Japanese, though. This sucks in many ways since the Mario RPGs currently are kind of in a state of limbo.

Don't know how this would affect characters like Fawful, Antasma, or Cackletta.

Great job Nintendo, you killed a great developer by forcing them to make ****ing ports on a dying console. Bravo.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Not sure if relevant or people here know but...

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20191002-00010002-teikokudb-ind

AlphaDream, the developer of the Mario & Luigi games, has filed for bankruptcy. The article is in Japanese, though. This sucks in many ways since the Mario RPGs currently are kind of in a state of limbo.

Don't know how this would affect characters like Fawful, Antasma, or Cackletta.

Honestly, this could go a couple of ways. I'm personally predicting a buyout from Nintendo and they just become a first party developer. Either that or most, if not all of the AlphaDream team gets brought on as Nintendo employees. Super Mario RPG is a relatively important series to Nintendo, so I can't see them not doing anything about this.

Great job Nintendo, you killed a great developer by forcing them to make ****ing ports on a dying console. Bravo.

It's not like Nintendo really forced them to do anything. They're a partner studio to Nintendo, so they likely have their own choice on what to do and just need approval from Nintendo to act.

Bankruptcy also doesn't equate to the death of a company. It's a bad scenario sure, but it's not as grim as you're making it out to be.

 

[BZL8]

Great job Nintendo, you killed a great developer by forcing them to make ****ing ports on a dying console. Bravo.

Implying that having them develop on a more resource-heavy system wouldn't drain them fast. Apparently Alphadream were hiring for an HD multi-console project. Wouldn't be surprised if development on that game drained their funds.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Honestly, this could go a couple of ways. I'm personally predicting a buyout from Nintendo and they just become a first party developer. Either that or most, if not all of the AlphaDream team gets brought on as Nintendo employees. Super Mario RPG is a relatively important series to Nintendo, so I can't see them not doing anything about this.

It's not like Nintendo really forced them to do anything. They're a partner studio to Nintendo, so they likely have their own choice on what to do and just need approval from Nintendo to act.

Bankruptcy also doesn't equate to the death of a company. It's a bad scenario sure, but it's not as grim as you're making it out to be.

I really doubt they set out to do 3DS games post-Switch themselves. This is such a Nintendo move, they've done it multiple times and it always ends up poorly.

Implying that having them develop on a more resource-heavy system wouldn't drain them fast. Apparently Alphadream were hiring for an HD multi-console project. Wouldn't be surprised if development on that game drained their funds.

Having them develop on a system that's thriving would have meant recouping expenses.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Great job Nintendo, you killed a great developer by forcing them to make ****ing ports on a dying console. Bravo.

That's... not how that works. Nintendo pays an outside developer to make games yeah but Nintendo PAYS THEM FIRST AND THROUGHOUT DEVELOPMENT. Once the game is finished they don't make any more money. The publisher makes it. If anything Nintendo kept them afloat.

What's more likely to have happened is that a lot of resources were used on a few projects that ended up falling apart. Silicon Knights, THQ, etc. A lot of companies go under because they pour a lot of money into a project just to cancel it. Hell it almost happened with Retro and had it not been for the success of Metroid Prime they probably would've faded into the pages of history.

Edit: also Japan has a tendency to do this. To a lot of them the company is just a name and developers often reopen with the same staff under a different name and continue making games. Perfect example of this is Platinum when Clover closed down for not meeting sales expectations. So this isn't as big of a deal as we're making it out to be. It sucks yeah but it doesn't mean M&L games are gonna stop and there's always the possibility that Nintendo could buy them out of it.

 

[BZL8]

Having them develop on a system that's thriving would have meant recouping expenses.

There is a reason why Game Freak had trouble developing "Let's Go" on the Switch and why Intelligent Systems had to rely on Koei Tecmo to develop "Fire Emblem: Three Houses". The fact that AlphaDream had to hire for HD consoles tells me that they were in no position ready to develop on the Switch.

You can't suddenly put a talented developer with handheld experience on a HD console project and expect them to do well and the money to fall on top of them straight away.

 

[osby]

I really doubt they set out to do 3DS games post-Switch themselves. This is such a Nintendo move, they've done it multiple times and it always ends up poorly.

Not really, ATLUS also did the same with Persona Q2 and it also ended up selling poorly. SEGA didn't force them to do it.

Studios are able to make financially unwise decisions by themselves.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

There is a reason why Game Freak had trouble developing "Let's Go" on the Switch and why Intelligent Systems had to rely on Koei Tecmo to develop "Fire Emblem: Three Houses". The fact that AlphaDream had to hire for HD consoles tells me that they were in no position ready to develop on the Switch.

You can't suddenly put a talented developer with handheld experience on a HD console project and expect them to do well and the money to fall on top of them straight away.

Also, no one could've really guessed the Switch being as successful as it was. Not even Nintendo who said Switch would be a "Third Pillar" to the Wii U and 3DS. The Switch was so damn popular and has sold so exceptionally well that it essentially killed not only the Wii U, but the 3DS as well. I dunno if y'all remember but when Metroid: Samus Returns was announced for 3DS there was a resounding "but why not on Switch" Nintendo could've never predicted this when development on Samus Returns began, two to three years prior, before the Switch was even announced.

Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, Nintendo themselves, they all had to bite the bullet and admit that the 3DS was no longer viable after not even a whole year of the Switch being on the market. That's inconceivable for a console and it happened. 3DS games, by industry standards and statistic projections, should still be selling exceptionally well at this point in time but the Switch was so well advertised and presented that it sold WAY too well and in turn killed Nintendo's other products. It was a ****ing phenomenon and there were reprocussions. Nintendo's once handheld centric partners now have to develop big budget, HD, console experiences because the Switch is now their console and handheld.

 

[BZL8]

Also, no one could've really guessed the Switch being as successful as it was. Not even Nintendo who said Switch would be a "Third Pillar" to the Wii U and 3DS. The Switch was so damn popular and has sold so exceptionally well that it essentially killed not only the Wii U, but the 3DS as well. I dunno if y'all remember but when Metroid: Samus Returns was announced for 3DS there was a resounding "but why not on Switch" Nintendo could've never predicted this when development on Samus Returns began, two to three years prior, before the Switch was even announced.

Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, Nintendo themselves, they all had to bite the bullet and admit that the 3DS was no longer viable after not even a whole year of the Switch being on the market. That's inconceivable for a console and it happened. 3DS games, by industry standards and statistic projections, should still be selling exceptionally well at this point in time but the Switch was so well advertised and presented that it sold WAY too well and in turn killed Nintendo's other products. It was a ****ing phenomenon and there were reprocussions. Nintendo's once handheld centric partners now have to develop big budget, HD, console experiences because the Switch is now their console and handheld.

That's sadly a consequence of the success of the Switch. Some handheld companies can make the transition or rely on a partner to help them get through HD console development, but there will be always a few companies left in the dust. AlphaDream is one of those few unfortunately.

 

[DevaAshera]

Imagine thinking that this thread would ever get locked

Its been locked before, dude, as did the ones before this along with the ones for Smash Wii U/3DS before them..if a thread goes off-topic, it is at risk to be locked..at the very least, a moderator would hop in to tell everyone to get back on topic..

If she has a moveset focusing on her whip sword, and it works like Ivy's or Rondoline's, I'm all for it.

Oh, definitely, and it'd be pretty awesome. I figure that its exactly what Sakurai would do..that said, it would be pretty awesome if he also chose to play up Byleth's ability (and the ability of all characters in the game) to reclass to any class in the game by allowing her to do a weapon swap for her Down Special to give her like an Axe or Lance.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not sure if relevant or people here know but...

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20191002-00010002-teikokudb-ind

AlphaDream, the developer of the Mario & Luigi games, has filed for bankruptcy. The article is in Japanese, though. This sucks in many ways since the Mario RPGs currently are kind of in a state of limbo.

Don't know how this would affect characters like Fawful, Antasma, or Cackletta.

This really sucks, I greatly enjoyed the Mario & Luigi games.. so filled with potential. Their way of portraying the Mario cast was better than 90% of Nintendo's own work. It's a shame it had to be this way....

 

[Zem-raj]

In terms of newcomers, I think I lucked out in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. My top 10 newcomers consisted of: #1 Ridley [Playable], #2 King K.Rool [Playable], #3 Bandana Waddle Dee [Spirit], #4 Isabelle [Playable], #5 Isaac [Assist Trophy], #6 Dark Samus [Playable], #7 Banjo & Kazooie [Playable], #8 Simon Belmont [Playable], #9 Lloyd Irving [MIA], #10 Medusa [Spirit]. I don't know if it would be considered greedy to want more characters, but there are still some I'd like to join the roster.

My Top 5 wanted first party characters
1. Bandana Waddle Dee [Currently a Spirit]
2. Dixie Kong [Currently a Spirit]
3. Isaac [Currently an Assist Trophy]
4. Waluigi (for his fans) [Currently an Assist Trophy]
5. Impa [Currently a Spirit, but a different design could be used for a fighter]

My Top 5 wanted third party characters
1. Lloyd Irving
2. Shantae [Currently a Spirit]
3. Rayman [Currently a Spirit]
4. Crash Bandicoot
5. Geno [Currently a Spirit]

Pipe dream pick: Master Chief

I wouldn't be opposed to Doom Slayer / Doom Guy.

I don't know how the DLC post-Fighters Pass will be handled, and what Sakurai's stance would be for whether Spirits and Assist Trophies will be eligible or not to be able to be upgraded to playable characters. I'm not expecting it, but the situation and Sakurai's rules/mindset could change.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I dont think they'd pick Siegfried over Nightmare though, at least in the sense of what they did for Hero. I can see Siegfried being the alternate costume

Siegfried is the protagonist of the series and if we take all the characters who came first to represent their series, you'll notice a pattern that it's the protagonist that gets chosen first regardless of their status as the mascot or not.

You have

Yes even Pikachu if you count him as the protagonist of Pokemon Yellow so that's why I think Siegfried would be chosen over Nightmare

On the contrary, I don't think there's anyone else that would best rep SC other than Nightmare. Project Soul, the dev team behind Soulcalibur, has him on their logo:
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Even if this doesn't mean he will be in Smash, it does show that Nightmare is 1 of, if not the most iconic and most recognizable characters from Soulcalibur.

It's true that Nightmare is the mascot of the series but you could say the same thing about the Slime from Dragon Quest. It's the mascot of the whole series but the protagonists of the games were the ones to make it to playable status which is why I think Siegfried would be the chosen Soul Calibur rep,

So...the Tockles spirit you get awarded if you've played DQ11 or it's demo, is no lomger available by the time DQ11 launches?

Brilliant move Nintendo...

You're kidding me? I've got an empty spot on my spirit board collection and you're telling me there is no way to fix it because I didn't play a demo of a game that I had no interest in playing? That is pretty messed up Nintendo.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

It's true that Nightmare is the mascot of the series but you could say the same thing about the Slime from Dragon Quest. It's the mascot of the whole series but the protagonists of the games were the ones to make it to playable status which is why I think Siegfried would be the chosen Soul Calibur rep

Heihachi and Scorpion aren't the main protagonists of their respective franchises but if any characters from those were gonna be in Smash it'd be them since they're the mascots, icons and poster boys of those.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Bankruptcy also doesn't equate to the death of a company. It's a bad scenario sure, but it's not as grim as you're making it out to be.

You can come back from bankruptcy, but on the other hand, "the company filed for bankruptcy in [DATE]" is pretty much always the last bullet point under a no longer opperational company. So, they're not dead but they are on their deathbed.

This really sucks, I greatly enjoyed the Mario & Luigi games.. so filled with potential. Their way of portraying the Mario cast was better than 90% of Nintendo's own work. It's a shame it had to be this way....

Also a shame that their last non-remake title had to be during the era where nothing new was allowed.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Heihachi and Scorpion aren't the main protagonists of their respective franchises but if any characters from those were gonna be in Smash it'd be them since they're the mascots, icons and poster boys of those.

I'd agree with Scorpion but since Mortal Kombat is banned in Japan, I don't see him happening any time soon until the series ban is revoked.

With Heihachi, I know Sakurai did say he was considering making Heihachi a character for Smash 4 and there is a Mii costume for him but now that his voice actor has passed away and his character seemingly retired, I think Sakurai would choose Jin Kazama for a Tekken rep.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

but now that his voice actor has passed away and his character seemingly retired.

Not like they can't get another voice actor to replace him as they had with the last few.

Or just recycle his voice audio as they have for

 

[ROBnWatch]

You're kidding me? I've got an empty spot on my spirit board collection and you're telling me there is no way to fix it because I didn't play a demo of a game that I had no interest in playing? That is pretty messed up Nintendo.

If I remember correctly, the in-game message that talked about how to get the Tockles Spirit said that they planned on making the Spirit available in the shop and on the Spirit Board at a later time after the initial release of DQ11. So I would think they’d do that in a minor game patch or something.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Not like they can't get another voice actor to replace him as they had with the last few.
Or just recycle his voice audio as they have for

That is true and I would have argued about Roy Campell's voice actor passing away and being retired as a character but you have Incineroar who got replaced in the anime in japan as well as Samson Oak.

I don't know I just think Sakurai could use Jin Kazama instead of Heihachi not that I have anything against him. I just think Jin could bring more to the table than Heihachi considering he has the devil gene to work with and he is the on the cover for Tekken 3 which is the most iconic Tekken game.

 

[SvartWolf]

My currently Top 5 New series DLCs wants would be:

Morrigan (Darkstalkers)
Chosen Undead or Solaire (Dark Souls)
Frisk (Undertale... does it counts as a new series?)
Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear)
Something Rythm heaven, but not karate Joe (Rythm heaven)

Why not Karate Joe? Because he is already a fighter... i rather like they choose something awkward or at least more interesting that literally designed to look like generic karate guy. doesn't measn that he can't be in the moveset. I think i picture something akin to game and watch honestly...

Honorable mentions: Doomguy and Isaac.

Top 5 Characters from returning series:

Alucard (castlevania)
Edelgard (Fire Emblem)
Black Mage (Final Fantasy)
Kass (Zelda)
Chun Li (Street Fighter)

Honorable mentions: Dixie, Impa and Shadow as echoes... And Lyndis as the pipedream

Top 5 characters i don't give a damn but i would be happy anyways for one or other reason...

Geno (honestly don't care about the guy, but teh ammount of geno fans that would be happy is enough to care?)
Karate Joe (don't care for the guy but is still rythm heaven, so yaaay)
Dante ( would be an oh cool character, but at least it would be hype?)
Phoenix Wright (at least will come with cool music)
Bandana Waddle Dee (same as geno)

Top 5 characters i don't really want.

Goku, not because blind hate, but because the floodgates it would open and the much it would dilute smash bros IMO...
Master Chief (never seen teh appeal, and sometimes i feel his worldwide appeal is a little...Exagerated, wouldn't mind a mii costume though )
Regular Toad ( I will take a potted plant anytime of teh day instead)
Chris Redfield Don't care for resident evil, but if resident evil is a nescesity, at least give me one of the protagonists that is not a total bore.
A tekken protagonist that is not heihachi... At least the old man got charm. never been a particular fan of the tekken series characters.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Siegfried is the protagonist of the series and if we take all the characters who came first to represent their series, you'll notice a pattern that it's the protagonist that gets chosen first regardless of their status as the mascot or not.

You have

Yes even Pikachu if you count him as the protagonist of Pokemon Yellow so that's why I think Siegfried would be chosen over Nightmare



It's true that Nightmare is the mascot of the series but you could say the same thing about the Slime from Dragon Quest. It's the mascot of the whole series but the protagonists of the games were the ones to make it to playable status which is why I think Siegfried would be the chosen Soul Calibur rep,



You're kidding me? I've got an empty spot on my spirit board collection and you're telling me there is no way to fix it because I didn't play a demo of a game that I had no interest in playing? That is pretty messed up Nintendo.

I mean, Nightmare also wields the Soul Calibur, the thing the series is called.

Even if they didn't plan to release it later, playing like 10 minutes or so of a free demo really isn't that big of a deal

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I mean, Nightmare also wields the Soul Calibur, the thing the series is called.

Even if they didn't plan to release it later, playing like 10 minutes or so of a free demo really isn't that big of a deal

Technically Nightmare wields Soul Edge. Soul Calibur has had multiple users throughout the series, most notably Siegfried.

Still despite the series being named after it, Soul Calibur is not as important to the story as Soul Edge is. Basically the entire premise off the series is based upon warriors from across the globe trying to obtain or destroy the demonic sword Soul Edge.

 

[Door Key Pig]

Siegfried is the protagonist of the series and if we take all the characters who came first to represent their series, you'll notice a pattern that it's the protagonist that gets chosen first regardless of their status as the mascot or not.

You have

Yes even Pikachu if you count him as the protagonist of Pokemon Yellow so that's why I think Siegfried would be chosen over Nightmare



It's true that Nightmare is the mascot of the series but you could say the same thing about the Slime from Dragon Quest. It's the mascot of the whole series but the protagonists of the games were the ones to make it to playable status which is why I think Siegfried would be the chosen Soul Calibur rep,



You're kidding me? I've got an empty spot on my spirit board collection and you're telling me there is no way to fix it because I didn't play a demo of a game that I had no interest in playing? That is pretty messed up Nintendo.

Oh I'm sure it'll return in a later game update like others (?) have.

Kinda begs the question in terms of a series without a definitive face; Rhythm Paradise was suggested by the Gemetsu leak to have the Chorus Kids for a Smash 4 rep that never happened, them being the stars of one of the (more popular? or at least advertised by being on the DS game's cover, also being one of its first you play through) various mini-games. To contrast, while the main "host" is someone who could also fit the rep role, they were kinda seldom seen outside the tutorial and ending, at least pre-Megamix which had more of a story to it but that of course came after Smash 4. Though the CKs actually look strongly like Marshall, the host of the game after who was also featured on his game's cover, so it could honestly be a special case of a design that was big in the two Western-localised RP games of the time as both one of the mini-games and a game host.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Ive ben doing some thinking about the Ryu Hayabusa claim from iamshifty

I’m starting to think he was right all along

Because remember back in smash 4 a guy was on a hot streak in smash 4 and he claimed shulk was next but ended up being robin instead we’ll later down the line despite that he was still right about shulk in smash as a matter of fact all of his claims were right some were just cut

Ryu Hayabusa might be the same case which is he may have gotten the character 4 wrong but ryu could be character 5 of wave 1 or part of wave 2 (the info was right just not on him being next)

 

[Deleted member]

One thing to note in the soul series is that Mitsurugi and Sophitia kind of share the role of posterboy and postergirl of the series. Remember than when VI was revealed, the first two reveals were them.

In hindsight, with the old Ryu Hayabusa rumors and the recent Soul Calibur talk... it would be nice to have these two fought alongside each other again.

It's quite interesting, as when looking at it, there's not much consistency in regards to which Soul Calibur character appears in the crossovers. Taki and Mitsurugi appeared in Namco x Capcom, Natsu from V appears in Project X Zone, Sophitia like your video shows appeared in Warriors Orochi and Siegfried/Nightmare are kinda the leads in the spinoffs (Legends) or costumes (Little Big Planet).

 

[SNEKeater]

Ive ben doing some thinking about the Ryu Hayabusa claim from iamshifty

I’m starting to think he was right all along

Because remember back in smash 4 a guy was on a hot streak in smash 4 and he claimed shulk was next but ended up being robin instead we’ll later down the line despite that he was still right about shulk in smash as a matter of fact all of his claims were right some were just cut

Ryu Hayabusa might be the same case which is he may have gotten the character 4 wrong but ryu could be character 5 of wave 1 or part of wave 2 (the info was right just not on him being next)

I can see this, honestly.

I don't know if he has a credible source, maybe not. He said Hayabusa would be fighter 4, maybe his source got right info except the release order and thought Hayabusa would be the next announcement.
In any case I don't think we will know the truth behind that.

 

[---]

Ive ben doing some thinking about the Ryu Hayabusa claim from iamshifty

I’m starting to think he was right all along

Because remember back in smash 4 a guy was on a hot streak in smash 4 and he claimed shulk was next but ended up being robin instead we’ll later down the line despite that he was still right about shulk in smash as a matter of fact all of his claims were right some were just cut

Ryu Hayabusa might be the same case which is he may have gotten the character 4 wrong but ryu could be character 5 of wave 1 or part of wave 2 (the info was right just not on him being next)

Verg claimed Hero would be Character Pack 1 and had to backtrack after Joker was revealed. Getting it wrong certainly doesn't help their claim, but it's not entirely damning either.

 

[Curious Villager]

You're kidding me? I've got an empty spot on my spirit board collection and you're telling me there is no way to fix it because I didn't play a demo of a game that I had no interest in playing? That is pretty messed up Nintendo.

I'm sure they will make it available on the Spirit Board later on like they did with the Lets Go Pikachu/Eevee spirits and all the other event spirits.

 

[KatKit]

Something Rythm heaven, but not karate Joe (Rythm heaven)

I got you, fam:

Rhythm Girl!

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I mean, Nightmare also wields the Soul Calibur, the thing the series is called.

Siegfried and Nightmare are the same person from what I know about the series so I don't see no reason why Nightmare can't be a part of Siegfried's character in Smash.

Kinda begs the question in terms of a series without a definitive face; Rhythm Paradise was suggested by the Gemetsu leak to have the Chorus Kids for a Smash 4 rep that never happened, them being the stars of one of the (more popular? or at least advertised by being on the DS game's cover, also being one of its first you play through) various mini-games. To contrast, while the main "host" is someone who could also fit the rep role, they were kinda seldom seen outside the tutorial and ending, at least pre-Megamix which had more of a story to it but that of course came after Smash 4. Though the CKs actually look strongly like Marshall, the host of the game after who was also featured on his game's cover, so it could honestly be a special case of a design that was big in the two Western-localised RP games of the time as both one of the mini-games and a game host.

According to Rhythm Heaven Megamix, Tibby seems to be the main character of the series and curiously he is no where to be seen in Smash Ultimate, not even as a spirit. Though lots of Rhythm Heaven characters are missing as spirits, however with Tibby's role as the main character, it seems odd to not include him in some way unless he was really not that popular.

As for Gematsu, I don't think there was any evidence that Chorus Kids were going to be playable in Smash 4 since nothing that was datamined for the game showed proof of their existence except for apparently a series logo. It could have very well been for a Rhythm Heaven stage much like Animal Crossing in Brawl.

 

[Deleted member]

Ive ben doing some thinking about the Ryu Hayabusa claim from iamshifty

I’m starting to think he was right all along

Because remember back in smash 4 a guy was on a hot streak in smash 4 and he claimed shulk was next but ended up being robin instead we’ll later down the line despite that he was still right about shulk in smash as a matter of fact all of his claims were right some were just cut

Ryu Hayabusa might be the same case which is he may have gotten the character 4 wrong but ryu could be character 5 of wave 1 or part of wave 2 (the info was right just not on him being next)

That guy was the gematsu leaker, he was more credible though, he leaked villager and wii fit before the first E3 reveal and other things, and someone else later on heard that Shulk was playable along with B jr. on a kart. Unlike the Gematsu dude'claim and Vergeben's leak about SQ dlc only Shifty has heard about Ryu being the dlc character. I'd wouldn't consider Ryu the next character just yet unless someone like VR, sabi, or Vergeben say it's him, there's too many characters that are still eligible.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Just'a gotta wait on Vergeben to have the final saying whenever that will occur.

 

[Opossum]

Siegfried and Nightmare are the same person from what I know about the series so I don't see no reason why Nightmare can't be a part of Siegfried's character in Smash.



According to Rhythm Heaven Megamix, Tibby seems to be the main character of the series and curiously he is no where to be seen in Smash Ultimate, not even as a spirit. Though lots of Rhythm Heaven characters are missing as spirits, however with Tibby's role as the main character, it seems odd to not include him in some way unless he was really not that popular.

As for Gematsu, I don't think there was any evidence that Chorus Kids were going to be playable in Smash 4 since nothing that was datamined for the game showed proof of their existence except for apparently a series logo. It could have very well been for a Rhythm Heaven stage much like Animal Crossing in Brawl.

It was grouped with the playable character logos, not the stages. The cut Brain Age logo, however, was grouped with the stages.

The Chorus Kids were absolutely going to be playable at some point, between the logo, Gematsu, and the Sneaky Spirits.

 

[Mr. Game + Watch]

If there is another bonus dlc character and it was a regular allie/enemie/npc like pirhanna plant who would you want it to be?

My pick would be a knight from zelda series based mainly on the knights enemies in link to the past

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If there is another bonus dlc character and it was a regular allie/enemie/npc like pirhanna plant who would you want it to be?

My pick would be a knight from zelda series based mainly on the knights enemies in link to the past

Geno fits this bill perfectly.

Especially as a free one.

There's also Waluigi.