Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Evil Trapezium]

I really like Sora, and I really like KH, but I want Disney to stay far away from Smash.

Also if we're discussing female reps we're sleeping on a character here

Spoiler

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... Who? Seems like someone who comes from that Neptunia game or whatever it's called.

 

[Loungemen]

... Who? Seems like someone who comes from that Neptunia game or whatever it's called.

Fun fact: It's the main character of Neptunia

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Squigly would be cool

 

[perfectchaos83]

What if those "characters that withstood the test of time" eventually stop withstanding the test of time? Popularity and relevance are fickle things, only an upper echelon of characters like Mario, Pikachu, Link, etc. can be truly iconic and etched into our generation's hearts. Almost all characters included at this point have varying degrees of popularity throughout the years, just because a character can stop being popular doesn't mean they will and even then it shouldn't stop their inclusion.

Joker's series has 25 years of popularity behind it. 13 when it started to really make way. Terry and SNK fighters have been popular for close to 30 years.
SK and Undertale have 5. It's a drop in the bucket comparison. I firmly believe "it's not their time yet". That's really all there is to it.

 

[DarthEnderX]

It's become mental gymnastics on why x should be in over y but z would be better than y but has 'less chance' and so on. Just tiring.

I can simplify it for you.

My wishlist picks should get in over everyone else because I pick the best characters.

That's all you need to know.

I think it's because Smash characters tend to not be dropped in consecutive games, but I think we all know that isn't sustainable.

I don't acknowledge knowing that!

 

[SKX31]

Joker's series has 25 years of popularity behind it. 13 when it started to really make way. Terry and SNK fighters have been popular for close to 30 years.
SK and Undertale have 5. It's a drop in the bucket comparison. I firmly believe "it's not their time yet". That's really all there is to it.

Bayo had, what, 5-6 years tops? Sure you could put the "exception" label on her, but I don't think that is the be-all-end-all. Hell, if Sakurai winds up enjoying Fortnite or any of its BR siblings (PUBG, Apex Legends, Knives Out. Mentioning the last one since that's the BR that's popular in Japan) he could lean towards putting it into Smash.

I've been harsh on a BR character because it hasn't had time to prove itself, but if it somehow winds up in Ultimate I'd wager that Sakurai doesn't mind its inclusion at all, despite recency.

 

[Opossum]

Joker's series has 25 years of popularity behind it. 13 when it started to really make way. Terry and SNK fighters have been popular for close to 30 years.
SK and Undertale have 5. It's a drop in the bucket comparison. I firmly believe "it's not their time yet". That's really all there is to it.

In the age of the internet though, ten years is way too long to get a feel for these things. Nowadays way too much happens over the course of a decade when it comes to games. Back in the day measuring a game's impact took far more time because they had to rely on word of mouth and magazines and whatnot to get their names out there. Now everyone's connected. Popular games get dedicated fandoms much faster and keep the games alive for far longer, far more quickly.

Look at Undertale, for example. It very well could have been a flash in the pan. But its fandom kept it alive for over four years, and counting. For an indie game in this day and age that's an incredibly long time. Just compare it with something that's much more flavor of the month like Baldy's Basics or something, which are popular for like a couple of months before dropping off the face of the planet.

We're in an age now where people can play more games more easily at a more rapid pace. As such, it takes far less time to sort out the flavors of the month from the pop cultural gems. Ten years is far too long of a timeframe these days. By that measure, Minecraft would've been considered a fad until this year.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Agreed, and I'd love that to change. I know Sakurai is an old-school gamer at heart, but there are plenty of good franchises that started after 90s.



One that's already full of dead characters, mind you:

There's a reason my arguments recently have been focused solely on 3rd parties. I firmly believe that the selections for 1st party and 3rd parties have different standards.

Bayo had, what, 5-6 years tops? Sure you could put the "exception" label on her, but I don't think that is the be-all-end-all. Hell, if Sakurai winds up enjoying Fortnite or any of its BR siblings (PUBG, Apex Legends, Knives Out. Mentioning the last one since that's the BR that's popular in Japan) he could lean towards putting it into Smash.

I've been harsh on a BR character because it hasn't had time to prove itself, but if it somehow winds up in Ultimate I'd wager that Sakurai doesn't mind its inclusion at all, despite recency.

I said before, I think Nintendo's vested interest in Bayo makes her an exception as Nintendo will directly profit off of her in the long term.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Fun fact: It's the main character of Neptunia

Well I guessed as much considering that girl has D-Pads for a hair accessory.

 

[osby]

Joker's series has 25 years of popularity behind it.

Which you can't tell from the content he brought. Almost everything in his pack except from a single track is younger than P3, a 2006 release. Most P5 fans don't even know it's the sixth entry in the series, that's how obscure first three games compared to later ones. And almost all Megami Tensei games are even worse.

Joker got in because of ATLUS's success in the last decade, not because of some arbitrary age restriction.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Most P5 fans don't even know it's the sixth entry in the series...

Wait what? Why isn't it Persona 6 then?

 

[osby]

Wait what? Why isn't it Persona 6 then?

Because Persona 2 is a duology:

Spoiler: Persona 2: Innocent Sin

Spoiler: Persona 2: Eternal Punishment

 

[Opossum]

Wait what? Why isn't it Persona 6 then?

IIRC there are two Persona 2's.

 

[perfectchaos83]

In the age of the internet though, ten years is way too long to get a feel for these things. Nowadays way too much happens over the course of a decade when it comes to games. Back in the day measuring a game's impact took far more time because they had to rely on word of mouth and magazines and whatnot to get their names out there. Now everyone's connected. Popular games get dedicated fandoms much faster and keep the games alive for far longer, far more quickly.

Look at Undertale, for example. It very well could have been a flash in the pan. But its fandom kept it alive for over four years, and counting. For an indie game in this day and age that's an incredibly long time. Just compare it with something that's much more flavor of the month like Baldy's Basics or something, which are popular for like a couple of months before dropping off the face of the planet.

We're in an age now where people can play more games more easily at a more rapid pace. As such, it takes far less time to sort out the flavors of the month from the pop cultural gems. Ten years is far too long of a timeframe these days. By that measure, Minecraft would've been considered a fad until this year.

Probably. But At the end of the day, We'll never know how Sakurai feels about it. This has been my thought even before SK and Undertale Content got in Smash and as it stands, neither are playable. This line of thought will likely change sometime in the future, I just don't see it happening for this smash game in particular.

Joker got in because of ATLUS's success in the last decade, not because of some arbitrary age restriction.

This is pretty much the point I've been making. If you must know, I place Cave Story in the same boat as SK and Undertale and Cave Story is 15 years old. It's not about age. It's about the progression of a franchise.

 

[Deleted member]

I call them novelties for a simple reason. They're young and unproven. What's to say that in 10 years Shovel Knight and Undertale disappear? I'm not saying they will, but look at all the 3rd parties in Smash, they've all withstood the test of time with the arguable exception of Bayonetta at the time of her inclusion (Who really, imo, was put in for other reasons). Both of these franchises should mature first before being in Smash and, imo, that's why they aren't. I said it earlier, Sakurai has never been one to pick character because they are popular here and now. He's always been meticulous and multi-faceted in his decisions. I find their inclusions now to be "Maybe one day it will happen, keep it up and it will. But that day is not today".

I think we should remove Ness, EarthBound hasn't been important for 24 years now.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Probably. But At the end of the day, We'll never know how Sakurai feels about it. This has been my thought even before SK and Undertale Content got in Smash and as it stands, neither are playable. This line of thought will likely change sometime in the future, I just don't see it happening for this smash game in particular.

You're right, but through his columns we can infer how Sakurai feels about it.

If your argument has to appeal to "well I dun know if the big Smash man feels like it" then it isn't very strong.

The man has plenty of articles and interviews available to read online. Why not dig through them and try to understand the man himself.

 

[IAmGiles]

I doubt Sakurai cared all that much about Banjo. Banjo probably got in more based on fan demand over Sakurai bias.

Furthermore, each character has some sort of corporate synergy aspect associated with them. There's clearly more at play here than passion and bias, and to believe otherwise is to completely ignore a significant aspect of DLC speculation.

I do think fan demand was a primary motivator for fan demand, but I'm inclined to believe that Sakurai did care about Banjo, given that he was acknowledging the character even in the Melee days. I suppose it's hard to say one way or the other without Sakurai himself saying it. I also suppose the fact that he almost always mentions pleasing fans when talking about Banjo could imply it's less personal for him.

I'll readily acknowledge that there's business aspects to DLC selection. Corporate synergy definitely plays a big part and I think the lack of synergy between Sony and Nintendo will make Sony reps less likely as a result. However the key point that I am trying to get across, is that the idea of "corporate synergy" or "business interests" could be applied to literally any character and any company retroactively. Because it is such a wide sweeping and universally applicable argument and factor to character selection, I don't believe it is useful when speculating on upcoming characters. It does not help narrow down the field in any significant way.

I will continue this thought by replying to another statement:

Please give me one source where Sakurai mentioned this "list of Nintendo's" everyone mentions. Is it actually something not exclusively coming from inference? And beyond Sakurai mentioning Banjo and legal reasons during Melee, did he say much else about them prior to their Ultimate inclusion? Though if Sakurai's bias was affecting the Fighter's Pass characters, it's possible #5 is Nintendo owned and just put after the bigger third party picks in terms of ordered hype, as that came before this "I'ma continue on this record with Smash right here" stuff.

Also, is some of the first party doubt that valid when they didn't scrap the "base game appropriate" surprise character of this game and instead made it a free w/ purchase for a limited time/later purchasable thing? And Banjo still is a practically dormant franchise in terms of new games for like a decade now, and was kinda notably neglected by the owners themselves up until now? Sure he was fan demanded, but does this otherwise more generally niche to the great public franchise get a pass JUST because it's not Nintendo-owned?

I can't find a source for the list, I believe it's mostly inferred at least on my part. however I do have a source stating that joker was specifically selected by Sakurai himself.

https://m.gamer.com.tw/gnn/detail.php?sn=177691

This is a big part of what makes me think that Sakurai has much more sway than what he's letting us believe. He wanted joker now we have joker.

More interestingly I don't think it's a coincidence that three out of four characters revealed so far are Sakurai dream pics. (Obviously I personally think all four of our characters are Sakurai dream pics)

However if I concede that banjo may be purely fan demand, then the fact that at least 3 out of 5 fighters pass characters are sakurai dream pics casts serious doubt on the idea that Nintendo is making these picks.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect a first party character as fighter number 5. Joker set the tone and so far all of them have been third-party reveals. no reason to expect a first party character at this point, and plenty of reason to doubt a first-party inclusion as I've already stated.

And yes, banjo does get a pass because he is a third-party character. I think the very fact that he was once Nintendo and then became impossible to include is a big part of what would make him a Sakurai dream pick, but that's purely speculation on my part.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Because Persona 2 is a duology:

Spoiler: Persona 2: Innocent Sin

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Spoiler: Persona 2: Eternal Punishment

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Yeah and I hate this because Innocent Sin for PS1 didn't get localized but Eternal Punishment did and on PSP Innocent Sin got localized but not Eternal Punishment. ****ing dumb.

 

[KatKit]

So, that one person's highly informative post a couple pages back got me into researching League of Legends (and other games like it, but I'm just referring to League right now), reading up on some of the lore, checking out a couple of songs, etc.

I must say, those characters are dope as heck. I understand the appeal. You gotta admit, as much as a curveball as that'd be, it's a whole new world, to say the least.

From what I've seen, I'm fond of this Taliyah character. Cool theme and powers and everything, really. She rocks! Pun intended. Just felt like sharing. Would main.

Anyway, when it comes to character speculation, I think it's better to just hear out whatever reasons people have for thinking why a character has a shot than it is to intervene and go, "Oh, but this character is more likely because..." and so on. It's not a competition. Obviously, people have wants and we all want to try to figure stuff out, but gatekeeping and made up rules and stuff get ridiculous at times. Stuff like "Valkyrie deserves to be in over Asuka Kazama because we can only have 8 Namco Bandai reps and she's retro and a protagonist and doesn't have huge boobs unlike Asuka" gets old. Or "Indie rep echoes will never be a thing ever again after Quote and Curly... Maybe unless it's my guy from that one game, but this is purely a prediction and not a wishlist." Time and time again, Smash has proven it doesn't care about most of our arbitrary rules. For the first time in probably ever it seems like almost anything (that's a videogame) can go down. Do I want a SquareEnix rep? Yeah. If we get another one that isn't them, that's cool, too. They make good games. I could've worded this more eloquently and I don't know where I'm going with this, but I think it's time the community starts celebrating videogames as a whole, if that makes sense.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Broke: Heihachi should be the 2nd Namco rep
Woke: Nightmare/Siegfried should be the 2nd Namco rep

 

[He-Was-Number-Wan]

Broke: Heihachi should be the 2nd Namco rep
Woke: Nightmare/Siegfried should be the 2nd Namco rep

Bespoke: Dig Dug should be the 2nd Namco rep (think Belmonts + Zero Suit Samus)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Bespoke: Dig Dug should be the 2nd Namco rep (think Belmonts + Zero Suit Samus)

Masterstroke: KOS-MOS as the second Namco rep, I mean she’s been in a frick ton of crossovers already, just needs the big one in her repertoire

 

[PeridotGX]

I'm curious how the people here would feel about this First Party fighters pass I made

Spoiler: details

Fighter 1: GROVYLE Gears Up!

While we have quite a few Pokemon, Grovyle brings something entirely new to the table: Mystery Dungeon representation. He uses various items from across the series, along with help from Celebi. His stage is the Temporal Tower, and he comes with various spirits and songs from the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games.

Fighter 2: ANDY Advances!

From the Advance Wars series, Andy joins the battle! Using various battalions, he controls the stage like no other. Blue Moon is the stage, and various songs and spirits from the series are added.

Fighter 3: ELMA Crosses Over!

From Xenoblade Chrohnicles X, Elma joins the battle. Using her Guns, Swords, and Skell, she provides a moveset very unique. New LA is the stage, and various Xenoblade spirits and songs that were left out in the base game are added (largely from X). Half of her alts use her "true" form.

Fighter 4: BANDANA DEE Waddles In!

Our Star Ally finally gets his prize! He uses a spear and a parasol, both of which can be imbued with various elements! Another Dimension is the stage, and various Kirby songs and spirits that wren't the base game are added, with a preference toward those that debuted in or after the Super Star Remake.

Fighter 5: CHORUS KIDS make some noise!

The final fighters of the pass are the Chorus Kids. Using multi-hit attacks that get exponentially more powerful if hit to the rhythm, they play completely different than any other fighter. Their stage is a WarioWare Inc.-styled thing where different Rhythm Heaven characters appear and subject fighters to their minigames. Various Rythym Heavean songs and spirits that weren't in the base game are added, and all the old Rhythm Heaven songs are transferred exclusively to the new one.

The bonus for buying the pass is a Mii Brawler costume of Kyo Kusanagi from the King of Fighters franchise. If you have both passes purchaced, you get an Assist Trophy and Mii Costume (Swordfighter) of Torneqo, the main character of Dragon Quest Mystery Dungeon

Spoiler: reasonings

Grovyle: Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is a beloved spin-off series with absolutly no representation in Smash. Grovyle would provide this in spades, while also partially pleasing those that want a Hoenn Pokemon or a Grass type Starter. also bias

Andy: Advance Wars is a fan-favorite series that's been gone for a very long time. The Infantry and Tanks assist trophy is gone, leaving Advance Wars practically unrepresented in Smash. Adding Andy would give the series some representation, and put it back in the eyes of the public, which could lead into a re-boot.

Elma: Xenoblade, despite it's youth, has proven to be an immencely popular franchise, making a second fighter very much justified. I considered Rex, but I figured adding Elma would enhance the balance of the series' content, as XB2 has significantly more content than X.

Bandana Dee: Simmilar to , I wanted to add a character popular in the core fanbase. Waluigi and issac are Assist Trophies, which would be a whole different pass, and Geno is technically a third party, leaving Bandana Dee. also bias.

Chorus Kids: Rythym Heaven is arguably the biggest Nintendo series not represented in Smash, meaning that giving it a character is a no-brainier. Karate Joe would be a good choice, but the Chorus Kids are more popular in the fanbase and are more distinct.

Some characters I considered putting on the pass were Byleth, Edlegard, Rex, Qbby, an ARMS character, Fawful, and Kamek.

 

[KatKit]

Bespoke: Dig Dug should be the 2nd Namco rep (think Belmonts + Zero Suit Samus)

April Fool's Joke: Katsuhiro Harada

 

[Calamitas]

I'm curious how the people here would feel about this First Party fighters pass I made
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Spoiler: details

Fighter 1: GROVYLE Gears Up!

While we have quite a few Pokemon, Grovyle brings something entirely new to the table: Mystery Dungeon representation. He uses various items from across the series, along with help from Celebi. His stage is the Temporal Tower, and he comes with various spirits and songs from the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games.

Fighter 2: ANDY Advances!

From the Advance Wars series, Andy joins the battle! Using various battalions, he controls the stage like no other. Blue Moon is the stage, and various songs and spirits from the series are added.

Fighter 3: ELMA Crosses Over!

From Xenoblade Chrohnicles X, Elma joins the battle. Using her Guns, Swords, and Skell, she provides a moveset very unique. New LA is the stage, and various Xenoblade spirits and songs that were left out in the base game are added (largely from X). Half of her alts use her "true" form.

Fighter 4: BANDANA DEE Waddles In!

Our Star Ally finally gets his prize! He uses a spear and a parasol, both of which can be imbued with various elements! Another Dimension is the stage, and various Kirby songs and spirits that wren't the base game are added, with a preference toward those that debuted in or after the Super Star Remake.

Fighter 5: CHORUS KIDS make some noise!

The final fighters of the pass are the Chorus Kids. Using multi-hit attacks that get exponentially more powerful if hit to the rhythm, they play completely different than any other fighter. Their stage is a WarioWare Inc.-styled thing where different Rhythm Heaven characters appear and subject fighters to their minigames. Various Rythym Heavean songs and spirits that weren't in the base game are added, and all the old Rhythm Heaven songs are transferred exclusively to the new one.

The bonus for buying the pass is a Mii Brawler costume of Kyo Kusanagi from the King of Fighters franchise. If you have both passes purchaced, you get an Assist Trophy and Mii Costume (Swordfighter) of Torneqo, the main character of Dragon Quest Mystery Dungeon

Spoiler: reasonings

Grovyle: Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is a beloved spin-off series with absolutly no representation in Smash. Grovyle would provide this in spades, while also partially pleasing those that want a Hoenn Pokemon or a Grass type Starter. also bias

Andy: Advance Wars is a fan-favorite series that's been gone for a very long time. The Infantry and Tanks assist trophy is gone, leaving Advance Wars practically unrepresented in Smash. Adding Andy would give the series some representation, and put it back in the eyes of the public, which could lead into a re-boot.

Elma: Xenoblade, despite it's youth, has proven to be an immencely popular franchise, making a second fighter very much justified. I considered Rex, but I figured adding Elma would enhance the balance of the series' content, as XB2 has significantly more content than X.

Bandana Dee: Simmilar to , I wanted to add a character popular in the core fanbase. Waluigi and issac are Assist Trophies, which would be a whole different pass, and Geno is technically a third party, leaving Bandana Dee. also bias.

Chorus Kids: Rythym Heaven is arguably the biggest Nintendo series not represented in Smash, meaning that giving it a character is a no-brainier. Karate Joe would be a good choice, but the Chorus Kids are more popular in the fanbase and are more distinct.

Some characters I considered putting on the pass were Byleth, Edlegard, Rex, Qbby, an ARMS character, Fawful, and Kamek.

Honestly, I'd be down for that. Helps that it's mostly less commonly discussed first-parties. Elma and Grovyle in particular are good picks.

 

[Aetheri]

I'm curious how the people here would feel about this First Party fighters pass I made
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Spoiler: details

Fighter 1: GROVYLE Gears Up!

While we have quite a few Pokemon, Grovyle brings something entirely new to the table: Mystery Dungeon representation. He uses various items from across the series, along with help from Celebi. His stage is the Temporal Tower, and he comes with various spirits and songs from the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games.

Fighter 2: ANDY Advances!

From the Advance Wars series, Andy joins the battle! Using various battalions, he controls the stage like no other. Blue Moon is the stage, and various songs and spirits from the series are added.

Fighter 3: ELMA Crosses Over!

From Xenoblade Chrohnicles X, Elma joins the battle. Using her Guns, Swords, and Skell, she provides a moveset very unique. New LA is the stage, and various Xenoblade spirits and songs that were left out in the base game are added (largely from X). Half of her alts use her "true" form.

Fighter 4: BANDANA DEE Waddles In!

Our Star Ally finally gets his prize! He uses a spear and a parasol, both of which can be imbued with various elements! Another Dimension is the stage, and various Kirby songs and spirits that wren't the base game are added, with a preference toward those that debuted in or after the Super Star Remake.

Fighter 5: CHORUS KIDS make some noise!

The final fighters of the pass are the Chorus Kids. Using multi-hit attacks that get exponentially more powerful if hit to the rhythm, they play completely different than any other fighter. Their stage is a WarioWare Inc.-styled thing where different Rhythm Heaven characters appear and subject fighters to their minigames. Various Rythym Heavean songs and spirits that weren't in the base game are added, and all the old Rhythm Heaven songs are transferred exclusively to the new one.

The bonus for buying the pass is a Mii Brawler costume of Kyo Kusanagi from the King of Fighters franchise. If you have both passes purchaced, you get an Assist Trophy and Mii Costume (Swordfighter) of Torneqo, the main character of Dragon Quest Mystery Dungeon

Spoiler: reasonings

Grovyle: Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is a beloved spin-off series with absolutly no representation in Smash. Grovyle would provide this in spades, while also partially pleasing those that want a Hoenn Pokemon or a Grass type Starter. also bias

Andy: Advance Wars is a fan-favorite series that's been gone for a very long time. The Infantry and Tanks assist trophy is gone, leaving Advance Wars practically unrepresented in Smash. Adding Andy would give the series some representation, and put it back in the eyes of the public, which could lead into a re-boot.

Elma: Xenoblade, despite it's youth, has proven to be an immencely popular franchise, making a second fighter very much justified. I considered Rex, but I figured adding Elma would enhance the balance of the series' content, as XB2 has significantly more content than X.

Bandana Dee: Simmilar to , I wanted to add a character popular in the core fanbase. Waluigi and issac are Assist Trophies, which would be a whole different pass, and Geno is technically a third party, leaving Bandana Dee. also bias.

Chorus Kids: Rythym Heaven is arguably the biggest Nintendo series not represented in Smash, meaning that giving it a character is a no-brainier. Karate Joe would be a good choice, but the Chorus Kids are more popular in the fanbase and are more distinct.

Some characters I considered putting on the pass were Byleth, Edlegard, Rex, Qbby, an ARMS character, Fawful, and Kamek.

Elma's in so I'm good!

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'm curious how the people here would feel about this First Party fighters pass I made
View attachment 239916

Spoiler: details

Fighter 1: GROVYLE Gears Up!

While we have quite a few Pokemon, Grovyle brings something entirely new to the table: Mystery Dungeon representation. He uses various items from across the series, along with help from Celebi. His stage is the Temporal Tower, and he comes with various spirits and songs from the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games.

Fighter 2: ANDY Advances!

From the Advance Wars series, Andy joins the battle! Using various battalions, he controls the stage like no other. Blue Moon is the stage, and various songs and spirits from the series are added.

Fighter 3: ELMA Crosses Over!

From Xenoblade Chrohnicles X, Elma joins the battle. Using her Guns, Swords, and Skell, she provides a moveset very unique. New LA is the stage, and various Xenoblade spirits and songs that were left out in the base game are added (largely from X). Half of her alts use her "true" form.

Fighter 4: BANDANA DEE Waddles In!

Our Star Ally finally gets his prize! He uses a spear and a parasol, both of which can be imbued with various elements! Another Dimension is the stage, and various Kirby songs and spirits that wren't the base game are added, with a preference toward those that debuted in or after the Super Star Remake.

Fighter 5: CHORUS KIDS make some noise!

The final fighters of the pass are the Chorus Kids. Using multi-hit attacks that get exponentially more powerful if hit to the rhythm, they play completely different than any other fighter. Their stage is a WarioWare Inc.-styled thing where different Rhythm Heaven characters appear and subject fighters to their minigames. Various Rythym Heavean songs and spirits that weren't in the base game are added, and all the old Rhythm Heaven songs are transferred exclusively to the new one.

The bonus for buying the pass is a Mii Brawler costume of Kyo Kusanagi from the King of Fighters franchise. If you have both passes purchaced, you get an Assist Trophy and Mii Costume (Swordfighter) of Torneqo, the main character of Dragon Quest Mystery Dungeon

Spoiler: reasonings

Grovyle: Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is a beloved spin-off series with absolutly no representation in Smash. Grovyle would provide this in spades, while also partially pleasing those that want a Hoenn Pokemon or a Grass type Starter. also bias

Andy: Advance Wars is a fan-favorite series that's been gone for a very long time. The Infantry and Tanks assist trophy is gone, leaving Advance Wars practically unrepresented in Smash. Adding Andy would give the series some representation, and put it back in the eyes of the public, which could lead into a re-boot.

Elma: Xenoblade, despite it's youth, has proven to be an immensely popular franchise, making a second fighter very much justified. I considered Rex, but I figured adding Elma would enhance the balance of the series' content, as XB2 has significantly more content than X.

Bandana Dee: Similar to , I wanted to add a character popular in the core fanbase. Waluigi and issac are Assist Trophies, which would be a whole different pass, and Geno is technically a third party, leaving Bandana Dee. also bias.

Chorus Kids: Rythym Heaven is arguably the biggest Nintendo series not represented in Smash, meaning that giving it a character is a no-brainier. Karate Joe would be a good choice, but the Chorus Kids are more popular in the fanbase and are more distinct.

Some characters I considered putting on the pass were Byleth, Edlegard, Rex, Qbby, an ARMS character, Fawful, and Kamek.

Ura would be happy, so good for him.

I would not be happy. These are all base roster-tier picks, except maybe Chorus Kids and Elma. None of these characters have significant demand, are promotional in any way, appeal to any fanbase outside of the core fanbase, nor would generate hype on the levels of Joker, Hero, Banjo, and even Terry.

The only first party characters with a real chance as far as I see it are Waluigi (due to the mass outrage/memery that spawned from his exclusion), Rex & Pyra (due to their large fan demand), and maybe Three Houses and/or Astral Chain (the lack of Spirits that came with those games is kind of suspicious). Characters from a previously unrepresented series like Rhythm Heaven or Style Savvy potentially have a chance, but I give them low ones.

 

[Mr.Boo]

Personally, I'm banking my money on the fifth fighter being an RE rep. I have nothing but a gut feeling, but I had the same for Banjo before Joker was even announced! Time will tell, as always. Bandai-Namco rep if not... probably Lloyd.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Still thinking Doom Slayer on the other hand. Don't deny the possibility of being wrong though and I probably will be but I'm throwing it in.

 

[SKX31]

So, that one person's highly informative post a couple pages back got me into researching League of Legends (and other games like it, but I'm just referring to League right now), reading up on some of the lore, checking out a couple of songs, etc.

I must say, those characters are dope as heck. I understand the appeal. You gotta admit, as much as a curveball as that'd be, it's a whole new world, to say the least.

From what I've seen, I'm fond of this Taliyah character. Cool theme and powers and everything, really. She rocks! Pun intended. Just felt like sharing. Would main.

This feels weird. First. you introduced me to Style Savvy (#StyleSavvyforSmashforever) and then I'm one of those who introduce you to MOBAs. Huh. Welcome to the club.

Personally, I'm banking my money on the fifth fighter being an RE rep. I have nothing but a gut feeling, but I had the same for Banjo before Joker was even announced! Time will tell, as always. Bandai-Namco rep if not... probably Lloyd.

Both Capcom and Bandai-Namco feel particularily difficult to tell at this point, so going with a gut feeling is fully understandable there. Both companies have quite a lot of characters to choose from after all.

 

[Roberk]

So, that one person's highly informative post a couple pages back got me into researching League of Legends (and other games like it, but I'm just referring to League right now), reading up on some of the lore, checking out a couple of songs, etc.

I must say, those characters are dope as heck. I understand the appeal. You gotta admit, as much as a curveball as that'd be, it's a whole new world, to say the least.

From what I've seen, I'm fond of this Taliyah character. Cool theme and powers and everything, really. She rocks! Pun intended. Just felt like sharing. Would main.

Anyway, when it comes to character speculation, I think it's better to just hear out whatever reasons people have for thinking why a character has a shot than it is to intervene and go, "Oh, but this character is more likely because..." and so on. It's not a competition. Obviously, people have wants and we all want to try to figure stuff out, but gatekeeping and made up rules and stuff get ridiculous at times. Stuff like "Valkyrie deserves to be in over Asuka Kazama because we can only have 8 Namco Bandai reps and she's retro and a protagonist and doesn't have huge boobs unlike Asuka" gets old. Or "Indie rep echoes will never be a thing ever again after Quote and Curly... Maybe unless it's my guy from that one game, but this is purely a prediction and not a wishlist." Time and time again, Smash has proven it doesn't care about most of our arbitrary rules. For the first time in probably ever it seems like almost anything (that's a videogame) can go down. Do I want a SquareEnix rep? Yeah. If we get another one that isn't them, that's cool, too. They make good games. I could've worded this more eloquently and I don't know where I'm going with this, but I think it's time the community starts celebrating videogames as a whole, if that makes sense.

As a League fan "guy who played League" Taliyah is a really cool character. She's a rock/earth bender and her gameplay is very zoner like. Unfortunately, I don't see Riot picking her over the dozens of other more marketable League characters they'd want to push for, but I enjoy Smash speculation giving some more respect to League. It's huge yet there's barely any talk of it since Smash fans just focus on console franchises. The amount of unique characters it has to offer for Smash is staggering.

tldr, for Smash

 

[Flyboy]

All I know about LoL is the cool music and I see a load of neat cosplays at cons. Also there's a character named Jinx I think? Also another character, Orianna, who is a cool robot. I love her. Also there's another character who attacks with a big keyboard? And there's a pizza girl????

League of Legends out of context is so bizarre but I can't see myself disliking some of the cooler, weirder characters once I see them play. Plus I have a friend who loves LoL.

 

[KatKit]

This feels weird. First. you introduced me to Style Savvy (#StyleSavvyforSmashforever) and then I'm one of those who introduce you to MOBAs. Huh. Welcome to the club.

Right? Smash works in mysterious ways, haha.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

Considering we only have 1 bad pick so far this should be more interesting

I count two bad picks: Banjo and Terry.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I count two bad picks: Banjo and Terry.

You really went back to an 18 day old post huh?

 

[PeridotGX]

Honestly, I'd be down for that. Helps that it's mostly less commonly discussed first-parties. Elma and Grovyle in particular are good picks.

I deliberately went for less commonly predicted characters. Nobody saw Joker coming, and if not for leaks than the same would probably be said about Hero and Terry.

 

[Deleted member]

Out of curiosity regarding LoL, is there any character or group of characters that could be considered the mains? Or at least the most popular?

 

[SuperSceptile15]

There is value in long time requested characters like Dixie and Geno though.

I'm pretty sure Geno is third party.

 

[RileyXY1]

I'm pretty sure Geno is third party.

You're right. Geno is considered a 3rd party because he is owned by Square Enix, even though he is a part of the Super Mario franchise.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

I have a feeling the final FP character could be someone totally unexpected but still quite popular in Japan like Reimu.