Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[dezeray112]

I think if we get someone from Samurai Shodown it's going to be Nakoruru. She's SNK's second largest character, only behind Terry.

I would opt for Nakoruru as the Samurai Shodown and SNK's second rep for Smash as well.

Let's not forget that there was this SNK's character popularity poll which was conducted last year. Terry Bogard obviously got the 1st place spot whilst Nakoruru got the 3rd place spot ahead of the likes of Mai Shiranui, Kyo Kusanagi and even Hoahmaru.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

C'mon, you can't just drop this here and then not link us to the place where you made it.

https://tiermaker.com/create/ultimate-super-smash-bros-character-trailer-tier-list-3866
There ya go

I find it hilarious that Banjo & Kazooie's trailer is Yuck Tier for some reason. Personally I liked the trailer because Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and King K. Rool's interactions were amazing. Makes me want to see a game where all three are together again. Otherwise I'd put Palutena's trailer in Darn Cool Tier 'cuz anime, and Bayonetta's trailer in Alright Tier.

Greninja and Bayonetta's trailers are the only ones to make me childishly rage; I wanted Greninja to be Mewtwo and just...didn't want Bayonetta I guess. I'm over it now though.

True story: I woke up one morning and thought "why isn't Pac-Man in the game", then checked Smash's website to find his trailer waiting for me there. I think I pretty much lost my mind which is probably the reason I don't have the IQ required to play him.

Banjo's trailer is literally K.Rool's and I don't think a joke is as funny the second time I hear it. Doesn't help he didn't look interesting to me at all in the gameplay departmentM

I felt Isabelle's was one of the worst ones. Simply because it was just long and boring. Probably doesn't help that I'm not an Animal Crossing fan.

Also despite not really caring for the character Bowser Jr.'s trailer was actually one of the most hype.

I honestly don't know what Sakurai was thinking when he decided Jr and DHD should have their trailers shown after the 3DS version of Smash releasing, really made them feel less exciting as a result

 

[Door Key Pig]

So if we were to give each AT (well, the ones of the demanded playable variety anyway) an assumption for not being playable, what could it look like?

People say Bomberman would be hard to do a moveset for or something, but I could totally see at least part a fun "traps" character, laying down bombs and making lines and chains with them for some interesting tactical stuff.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So if we were to give each AT (well, the ones of the demanded playable variety anyway) an assumption for not being playable, what could it look like?

People say Bomberman would be hard to do a moveset for or something, but I could totally see at least part a fun "traps" character, laying down bombs and making lines and chains with them for some interesting tactical stuff.

Do you mean "How could they play as an actual character?" Because it came across as "Why don't you think they're playable?"? Can't quite tell from your wording but that might just be me

 

[Aetheri]

So if we were to give each AT (well, the ones of the demanded playable variety anyway) an assumption for not being playable, what could it look like?

People say Bomberman would be hard to do a moveset for or something, but I could totally see at least part a fun "traps" character, laying down bombs and making lines and chains with them for some interesting tactical stuff.

Well for Bomberman at least I could see him just planting a regular bomb for his neutral B, his down B could lay down a block that could just act as an obstacle and potentially trap the opponent along with a planted bomb.

Side B he could literally lob a bomb forward.

Up B he could jump off of a bomb that would fall downwards.

Neutral bombs would take more time to explode and explode in an x or a cross. Any player can hit the bomb to move them. They would be slightly stronger than the other bombs which would be similar to Y/Tink's bombs except you can't grab them.

His standard attacks would be regular punches and kicks except with a bomb blast for smash attacks.

I think Bomberman would work well as a fighter, and I'm not even that familiar with his home series so those who are could think of better moves.

 

[kylexv]

If you want an idea for a Bomberman moveset, Smash Flash 2 is a good start:

 

[Guynamednelson]

So if we were to give each AT (well, the ones of the demanded playable variety anyway) an assumption for not being playable, what could it look like?

People say Bomberman would be hard to do a moveset for or something, but I could totally see at least part a fun "traps" character, laying down bombs and making lines and chains with them for some interesting tactical stuff.

Guile can't have four specials.
Akira would need to be extremely complex and would be even worse at recovering than Little Mac.
Sakurai being concerned about the number of playable FE characters, only adding Chrom because he had enough demand and Robin's FS model was more "fighter ready" than AT ones.
The playable Star Fox characters focus on Zero, conflicting with Krystal.
It's been confirmed that ARMS was too new to get a fighter.
Sega was stingy when trying to get Sonic in Brawl, and they wouldn't want a repeat of that with Shadow or Knuckles.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Like... certainly everyone here remembers the acclaimed NES puzzle game Solstice. No? Of course not.

Actually yes. Also, you linked the hippo song again.

 

[Door Key Pig]

Do you mean "How could they play as an actual character?" Because it came across as "Why don't you think they're playable?"? Can't quite tell from your wording but that might just be me

The latter.

 

[kaithehedgefox]

Well for Bomberman at least I could see him just planting a regular bomb for his neutral B, his down B could lay down a block that could just act as an obstacle and potentially trap the opponent along with a planted bomb.

Side B he could literally lob a bomb forward.

Up B he could jump off of a bomb that would fall downwards.

Neutral bombs would take more time to explode and explode in an x or a cross. Any player can hit the bomb to move them. They would be slightly stronger than the other bombs which would be similar to Y/Tink's bombs except you can't grab them.

His standard attacks would be regular punches and kicks except with a bomb blast for smash attacks.

I think Bomberman would work well as a fighter, and I'm not even that familiar with his home series so those who are could think of better moves.

I always knew that Bomberman would be a great playable fighter. What are the chances of him being promoted to playable in Smash 6?

 

[MainJPW]

Well for Bomberman at least I could see him just planting a regular bomb for his neutral B, his down B could lay down a block that could just act as an obstacle and potentially trap the opponent along with a planted bomb.

Side B he could literally lob a bomb forward.

Up B he could jump off of a bomb that would fall downwards.

Neutral bombs would take more time to explode and explode in an x or a cross. Any player can hit the bomb to move them. They would be slightly stronger than the other bombs which would be similar to Y/Tink's bombs except you can't grab them.

His standard attacks would be regular punches and kicks except with a bomb blast for smash attacks.

I think Bomberman would work well as a fighter, and I'm not even that familiar with his home series so those who are could think of better moves.

You can actually get away with having him punch and kick because of Monk Bomber:

You know, for all the people who said he couldn't do anything but chuck bombs.

 

[kaithehedgefox]

You can actually get away with having him punch and kick because of Monk Bomber:

I understand, and thanks to modding/hacking I can make a moveset mod to make Bomberman playable, I'm also planning to make Emerl over Bomberman assist trophy to prevent 2 bombermans from appearing onscreen.

 

[Calamitas]

https://tiermaker.com/create/ultimate-super-smash-bros-character-trailer-tier-list-3866
There ya go

Thanks! Here's my own take on this, then:

Spoiler: Unpopular Opinion: The Tier List

Primarily based on my initial reaction to these trailers, though with some it's also my opinion in retrospect.

 

[ZelDan]

Saw a Smash trailer tier list, felt it's appropriate to share here
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Personally I ranked em based on the gameplay and/or trailers. Hoping we get more creative trailers down the road, assuming post FP will still have CG stuff

I'm wondering what exactly this tier list is based on, or how they're ranking the trailers. Opinions are opinions and all that. but, well...the Kencineroar trailer wouldn't exactly be my top pick, or anything close to it, nor would Banjo's be close to the worst.

 

[SNEKeater]

Casey Edwards of BANG BANG BANG, PULL MY DEVIL TRIGGER fame.

Yes please. If Dante joins Smash but they don't include at least a Devil Trigger rip it would feel so wrong.
Devil Trigger, Devils Never Cry, Public Enemy, Vergil Battle 2 and Shall Never Surrender would be mandatory tracks.

David Wise, no doubt.

Yeah. Honestly the absence of Wise in Ultimate is a crime. He composed the acclaimed soundtracks of the three first DK Country games and Tropical Freeze. He should have been in Smash before Grant Kirkhope, in my honest and respectful opinion.

 

[Dark Bagel]

I was messing around with a custom roster creator, and I added in a few potential DLC spots based on who I thought were reasonable picks, albeit ased on my limited, general knowledge of each new fighters' series.

Spoiler

Even though the final selection could end up with a lot more than these characters, I decided to leave it at 5 for the time being, with the Fighter Pass ending with Travis Touchdown.

I'll just give a brief rundown on why I feel they're somewhat plausible:

1. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes) - While it's a series I'm quite unfamiliar with, I feel as if the No More Heroes series has earned enough notablity and goodwill from Nintendo (considering the next sequel is a Switch exclusive), as well as enough of an established and recognizable identity to warrant Travis' inclusion. He seems to have a distinct fighting style, weapon(s) and personality that makes him stand out as a unique fighter.
2. Karate Joe (Rhythm Heaven) - Rhythm Heaven is among the last big Nintendo franchises yet to receive fighter representation, and while it could be any number of characters from the series, such as the Chorus Kids, I feel that Joe operates as more of the foundational character, as he is the first character to appear in the franchise within a rhythm game, and has shown up in numerous titles since then.
3. Lloyd Irving (Tales of series) - Like Hero, Lloyd hails from a tremendously influential and popular JRPG series, and as its poster boy, no less. He's among the top requested fighters in Japan, and a good amount of people here want him, as well. It seems like there is a multitude of attacks that could be pulled from his own games, so there wouldn't be too much trouble working a moveset for him.
4. Crash Bandicoot (Crash series) I'll admit, he's been showing up in speculation a great deal, and while the forum can serve as an echo chamber for certain characters being talked about again and again, Crash does possess merit as a strong third-party selection. Popular in both the east and west, he's among the most iconic video game mascots in history, serving as a rival to Mario and acting as the face of Playstation upon his inception. His appeal still remains today, with the recent success of his remastered trilogy.
5. Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil) - Another favorite among the community in terms of speculation, but he's got warranted reasons to join all the same. He's seen as Resident Evil's most popular and prominent protagonist by many fans, and he's been the featured main character of Resident Evil 4, considered to be one of the best titles in the series.

Anyway, that's all I got. Feel free to critique me on any of my picks.

 

[Deleted member]

Tim and Geoff Follin, the guys who composed This for the NES. They made fantastic music for games that were usually mediocre.

Plok is a brilliant example of their work, I'm still surprised they managed to pull of songs such as this on the SNES.

 

[DarthEnderX]

A new Contra game comes out tomorrow on Nintendo Switch.

Bill Rizer! #2 on my wishlist!

I will never accept that Terry reveal trailer as anything but “yuck” tier. It was disgustingly mean to us Nakoruru fans.

Not as mean as it was to Geese fans. At least Nakoruru didn't DIE.

I find it hilarious that Banjo & Kazooie's trailer is Yuck Tier for some reason.

Probably because so much of it was just a repeat of a previous trailer. The list seems to be judging the quality of the trailers, not the characters being revealed.

I would opt for Nakoruru as the Samurai Shodown and SNK's second rep for Smash as well.

She's my #3 SNK pick after SV-001 Metal Slug.

I always knew that Bomberman would be a great playable fighter. What are the chances of him being promoted to playable in Smash 6?

Decent.

 

[KatKit]

Plok is a brilliant example of they're work, I'm still surprised they managed to pull of songs such as this on the SNES.

Right? It sounds like something you'd hear on the PlayStation.

 

[Flyboy]

I was messing around with a custom roster creator, and I added in a few potential DLC spots based on who I thought were reasonable picks, albeit ased on my limited, general knowledge of each new fighters' series.

Spoiler

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Even though the final selection could end up with a lot more than these characters, I decided to leave it at 5 for the time being, with the Fighter Pass ending with Travis Touchdown.

I'll just give a brief rundown on why I feel they're somewhat plausible:

1. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes) - While it's a series I'm quite unfamiliar with, I feel as if the No More Heroes series has earned enough notablity and goodwill from Nintendo (considering the next sequel is a Switch exclusive), as well as enough of an established and recognizable identity to warrant Travis' inclusion. He seems to have a distinct fighting style, weapon(s) and personality that makes him stand out as a unique fighter.
2. Karate Joe (Rhythm Heaven) - Rhythm Heaven is among the last big Nintendo franchises yet to receive fighter representation, and while it could be any number of characters from the series, such as the Chorus Kids, I feel that Joe operates as more of the foundational character, as he is the first character to appear in the franchise within a rhythm game, and has shown up in numerous titles since then.
3. Lloyd Irving (Tales of series) - Like Hero, Lloyd hails from a tremendously influential and popular JRPG series, and as its poster boy, no less. He's among the top requested fighters in Japan, and a good amount of people here want him, as well. It seems like there is a multitude of attacks that could be pulled from his own games, so there wouldn't be too much trouble working a moveset for him.
4. Crash Bandicoot (Crash series) I'll admit, he's been showing up in speculation a great deal, and while the forum can serve as an echo chamber for certain characters being talked about again and again, Crash does possess merit as a strong third-party selection. Popular in both the east and west, he's among the most iconic video game mascots in history, serving as a rival to Mario and acting as the face of Playstation upon his inception. His appeal still remains today, with the recent success of his remastered trilogy.
5. Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil) - Another favorite among the community in terms of speculation, but he's got warranted reasons to join all the same. He's seen as Resident Evil's most popular and prominent protagonist by many fans, and he's been the featured main character of Resident Evil 4, considered to be one of the best titles in the series.

Anyway, that's all I got. Feel free to critique me on any of my picks.

This is a solid lineup and write-ups for each. Obviously Travis is one of my longtime most-wanted picks, but you have a nice selection of surprises, niche picks, legacy names, and even a new Nintendo series repped as well. Very good selection with a mix of variety, popularity, and fan demand.

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

I was messing around with a custom roster creator, and I added in a few potential DLC spots based on who I thought were reasonable picks, albeit ased on my limited, general knowledge of each new fighters' series. Even though the final selection could end up with a lot more than these characters, I decided to leave it at 5 for the time being, with the Fighter Pass ending with Travis Touchdown.

I'll just give a brief rundown on why I feel they're somewhat plausible:

1. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes) - While it's a series I'm quite unfamiliar with, I feel as if the No More Heroes series has earned enough notablity and goodwill from Nintendo (considering the next sequel is a Switch exclusive), as well as enough of an established and recognizable identity to warrant Travis' inclusion. He seems to have a distinct fighting style, weapon(s) and personality that makes him stand out as a unique fighter.
2. Karate Joe (Rhythm Heaven) - Rhythm Heaven is among the last big Nintendo franchises yet to receive fighter representation, and while it could be any number of characters from the series, such as the Chorus Kids, I feel that Joe operates as more of the foundational character, as he is the first character to appear in the franchise within a rhythm game, and has shown up in numerous titles since then.
3. Lloyd Irving (Tales of series) - Like Hero, Lloyd hails from a tremendously influential and popular JRPG series, and as its poster boy, no less. He's among the top requested fighters in Japan, and a good amount of people here want him, as well. It seems like there is a multitude of attacks that could be pulled from his own games, so there wouldn't be too much trouble working a moveset for him.
4. Crash Bandicoot (Crash series) I'll admit, he's been showing up in speculation a great deal, and while the forum can serve as an echo chamber for certain characters being talked about again and again, Crash does possess merit as a strong third-party selection. Popular in both the east and west, he's among the most iconic video game mascots in history, serving as a rival to Mario and acting as the face of Playstation upon his inception. His appeal still remains today, with the recent success of his remastered trilogy.
5. Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil) - Another favorite among the community in terms of speculation, but he's got warranted reasons to join all the same. He's seen as Resident Evil's most popular and prominent protagonist by many fans, and he's been the featured main character of Resident Evil 4, considered to be one of the best titles in the series.

Anyway, that's all I got. Feel free to critique me on any of my picks.

that's a pretty good lineup you got there.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm wondering what exactly this tier list is based on, or how they're ranking the trailers. Opinions are opinions and all that. but, well...the Kencineroar trailer wouldn't exactly be my top pick, or anything close to it, nor would Banjo's be close to the worst.

It's literally all based on opinions so that explains it

 

[ProfPeanut]

k, for everyone's future reference, i've made a definitive objective list of all the smash trailers. i will be posting it to ssbwiki shortly.

ur welcome

 

[Dee Dude]

nosuprisinggwenplacesbanjoinyucksinceshestheresidentbearhaterlol
Ok, here’s mine:

 

[Flyboy]

Y'all are so mean to Smash 4 Lucas when he was the most hype DLC pick not named Cloud, Ryu, or Bayonetta for me

 

[Slime Master]

Y'all are so mean to Smash 4 Lucas when he was the most hype DLC pick not named Cloud, Ryu, or Bayonetta for me

I get your point, but 4th most hype DLC in a game with 7 DLC characters is still bottom half.
Edit: corner case math was off, it's just above half

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

They're talking about reskinning Zero's AT(not sure WHY exactly we're doing that in this thread...). Nakoruru wouldn't fit that.

I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about if we get a second SNK rep.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Y'all are so mean to Smash 4 Lucas when he was the most hype DLC pick not named Cloud, Ryu, or Bayonetta for me

I loved Lucas returning, proper heartwarming stuff, but his trailer isn't really that cinematic, and it's not like the moveset showcase is that exciting for a character we'd already played before, so as a trailer it kinda pales in comparison to others. The Mewtwo, Roy and Smash 4 Sonic trailers suffer from the same "issues", if you can even call them that, though I guess some people might be more lenient with Mewtwo and Roy since we hadn't seen them in a while.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I loved Lucas returning, proper heartwarming stuff, but his trailer isn't really that cinematic, and it's not like the moveset showcase is that exciting for a character we'd already played before, so as a trailer it kinda pales in comparison to others. The Mewtwo, Roy and Smash 4 Sonic trailers suffer from the same "issues", if you can even call them that, though I guess some people might be more lenient with Mewtwo and Roy since we hadn't seen them in a while.

The Mewtwo and Roy trailers can at least show more new stuff, that being Final Smashes and Roy's redesign.

 

[dezeray112]

Inverse interviewed Blizzard Entertainment about the Switch version of Overwatch. In addition, they also asked them about which of their characters would they like to in Smash as well as the possibility of the franchise being represented in the game:

“It’s hard to pick your favorite hero,” Boyd says. “All of them have their own draw in Smash and it’s a really cool idea.” Adds Yanagi, “They’re all my favorite, It would be an awesome thing to have but that’s up to Nintendo right now.”

Source: https://www.inverse.com/article/59394-overwatch-switch-cross-play-gyro-controls-interview

 

[Nquoid]

Did I watch a different Sonic trailer to everyone else? Like it was pretty cool he was in the game, but I remember how weirdly anticlimactic it was when the video just appeared on SmashDojo that morning. Especially after how good that first Brawl trailer with Snake was.

If we're grading purely based on how good the trailer is, Sonic is probably bottom tier, even if Sonic in Brawl is a top tier moment in Smash history.

 

[RouffWestie]

Nice, I've been waiting for reveal trailer rankings.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Did I watch a different Sonic trailer to everyone else? Like it was pretty cool he was in the game, but I remember how weirdly anticlimactic it was when the video just appeared on SmashDojo that morning. Especially after how good that first Brawl trailer with Snake was.

If we're grading purely based on how good the trailer is, Sonic is probably bottom tier, even if Sonic in Brawl is a top tier moment in Smash history.

Ok but that was a literal decade ago and 11 year old me lost her **** as I adored that blue **** as a kid

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Did I watch a different Sonic trailer to everyone else? Like it was pretty cool he was in the game, but I remember how weirdly anticlimactic it was when the video just appeared on SmashDojo that morning. Especially after how good that first Brawl trailer with Snake was.

If we're grading purely based on how good the trailer is, Sonic is probably bottom tier, even if Sonic in Brawl is a top tier moment in Smash history.

I didn't find it weird at the time, Snake already had a similar individual trailer made outside of the original reveal trailer, so I personally didn't expect an actual cinematic trailer for any other potential 3rd party characters, there was no norm as far as characters trailer were concerned yet. I was far from a Sonic fan, but the editing was timed nicely with Live and Learn (as far as I remember, haven't watched it in ages), and even though I didn't care for Sonic, it was still surreal to see.

It's a middle of the road trailer at best, but I'd still put it higher than the Smash 4 veteran trailers, just because of different expectations at the time (at least from me).

 

[Nquoid]

Ok but that was a literal decade ago and 11 year old me lost her **** as I adored that blue **** as a kid

I think it was actually 12 years ago in a week or two? But I just remember 15 year old me wishing it had a more build up and impact. But then again this was pre-Nintendo directs, so it's not like there was a delivery system in place to actually build hype around it.

 

[SneakyLink]

I think it was actually 12 years ago in a week or two? But I just remember 15 year old me wishing it had a more build up and impact. But then again this was pre-Nintendo directs, so it's not like there was a delivery system in place to actually build hype around it.

Especially since it was the old Brawl Dojo.

Back then, news dropped when it dropped.

So Sonic was a literal "Surprise he's in!" case.

 

[Opossum]

Ranking reveals? Okay. Only tier that's ordered is the highest tier. The rest are chronological within their tiers.

 

[Himiko]

I’ll rate another trailer when they actually release a dlc character I’m interested in.

Inverse interviewed Blizzard Entertainment about the Switch version of Overwatch. In addition, they also asked them about which of their characters would they like to in Smash as well as the possibility of the franchise being represented in the game:

“It’s hard to pick your favorite hero,” Boyd says. “All of them have their own draw in Smash and it’s a really cool idea.” Adds Yanagi, “They’re all my favorite, It would be an awesome thing to have but that’s up to Nintendo right now.”

Source: https://www.inverse.com/article/59394-overwatch-switch-cross-play-gyro-controls-interview

Hell no, keep Overwatch out of Smash. Overwatch is such a piece of **** that I’m completely against it’s inclusion, even if they were to add a female character like Tracer or D.Va. I say this as someone that has hundreds of hours in the game and even bought it twice.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I’ll rate another trailer when they actually release a dlc character I’m interested in.
Hell no, keep Overwatch out of Smash. Overwatch is such a piece of **** that I’m completely against it’s inclusion, even if they were to add a female character like Tracer or D.Va. I say this as someone that has hundreds of hours in the game and even bought it twice.

I'm curious now. It's one thing to dislike a game but to dislike a game and buy it twice and pour hundreds of hours in, there has to be a reason you're so against it.

...is it the microtransactions?

 

[DarthEnderX]

I'm curious now. It's one thing to dislike a game but to dislike a game and buy it twice and pour hundreds of hours in

Really? Because it makes me not care about their opinion at all. If they absolutely hate it, but still spent so much time and money on it, makes me think there's something wrong with them.