Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[ErenJager]

Waluigi, Isaac, Shadow, and Bomberman were are highly requested playable characters in the Smash ballot, so were they turned into assist trophies because they were rejected?

Probably rejected because they're meme picks.
Echo chambers and the such.
Even if Bomberman was a serious choice, maybe it was the perceived limitations in his move set.
I wonder if Sakurai looks at the character and thinks "they can't seriously be this popular for no reason, must be a meme".

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Probably rejected because they're meme picks.
Echo chambers and the such.
Even if Bomberman was a serious choice, maybe it was the perceived limitations in his move set.
I wonder if Sakurai looks at the character and thinks "they can't seriously be this popular for no reason, must be a meme".

Your username is from an anime that survived being dead for years because HAHA GUREN NO YUMIYA memes and only got talked about because GAHA SASAGEYO memes, you don't get to condemn **** for being 'memes'

 

[DarthEnderX]

Essentially it became a meme that Ruru was somehow as iconic or on equal footing from meme posting her repeatedly online, however it simply isn't reality. This is proven by the non-existent discussion of the character until the SNK leak. Ruru is just as relevant or irrelevant as any of the other Fatal Furry fighters.
The character just gets propped up on internet meme text posting.

Or, you know, because SamSho is one of SNK's most important franchises. And Nakoruru is the mascot of that series. And has a more interesting/Smash appropriate moveset than main character Haohmaru.

Were Bayonetta and Cloud chosen before the Smash 4 fighter ballot ended?

They almost certainly started development before, but weren't announced until after.

So was the ballot really for Smash Ultimate and not Smash 4 DLC?

Yes.

Waluigi, Isaac, Shadow, and Bomberman were are highly requested playable characters in the Smash ballot

You assume. Nintendo has never released the results of the ballot.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Or, you know, because SamSho is one of SNK's most important franchises. And Nakoruru is the mascot of that series. And has a more interesting/Smash appropriate moveset than main character Haohmaru.

Pshhht, who cares if Nakoruru is literally an SNK mascot as seen with that charity stuff, CLEARLY she's merely a meme

 

[ErenJager]

Your username is from an anime that survived being dead for years because HAHA GUREN NO YUMIYA memes and only got talked about because GAHA SASAGEYO memes, you don't get to condemn **** for being 'memes'

Please stay on topic, my username is not smash speculation. Thank you.

Or, you know, because SamSho is one of SNK's most important franchises. And Nakoruru is the mascot of that series. And has a more interesting/Smash appropriate moveset than main character Haohmaru.

They almost certainly started development before, but weren't announced until after.

What world you from mate, Ruru aint a mascot.
Haohmaru is.

 

[Idon]

Probably rejected because they're meme picks.
Echo chambers and the such.
Even if Bomberman was a serious choice, maybe it was the perceived limitations in his move set.
I wonder if Sakurai looks at the character and thinks "they can't seriously be this popular for no reason, must be a meme".

We got sans mii costume and megalovania.

I'm struggling to think of anything more memey than that, honestly.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

Wants for dlc (if there is a second character pass)

I like the way you think. Here's my version. (I'm going to keep my picks...a little closer to the safe side. I would have Master Chief in mine too if I was shooting for the stars, I just don't think that's ever going to happen, so I don't even wish for it.)

Wants for DLC:

Pass 1

5. Dovahkiin

Pass 2

1. Isaac
2. Geno
3. Rayman
4. Steve
5. Rex/Pyra

Predictions

5. Ryu Hayabusa

Pass 2

1. Geno
2. Lloyd Irving
3. Steve
4. Rex/Pyra
5. Rayman

(Theoretical Pass 3 Wants)

1. Crash Bandicoot
2. Shadow
3. Akira Howard
4. Dixie Kong
5. Scorpion (least likely, biggest dream...next to Isaac)

(as a side note, I was really having trouble coming up with the last couple of fighters...what a great problem to have!)

(Theoretical Pass 3 Predictions)

1. Doomguy
2. Phoenix Wright
3. Bandana Waddle Dee
4. Paper Mario
5. Crash Bandicoot

 

[kaithehedgefox]

If Hayabusa gets released as part of the next fighters pass, I also hope that we will get some Fatal Frame mii costumes. Since Yuri is an assist trophy.

So Sakurai has confirmed that only videogame characters will be included as playable characters, but I still believe that Goku and Miku can be mii costumes.

 

[Nquoid]

I'd agree except that trailer had a multitude of characters from the series who also were featured in other games as a crossover character.

Except we had the villain of Fatal Fury, Joe and Andy who are team Fatal Fury and the protagonist and antagonist from King of Fighters. Nakoruru is the odd one out there and it's not because Sakurai is responding to some kind of meme, which is needlessly regressive and implies no one wanted her seriously.

Please stay on topic, my username is not smash speculation. Thank you.

What world you from mate, Ruru aint a mascot.
Haohmaru is.

Shes the Samurai Shodown character that crossed over into the latest King of Fighters and SNK use her in a ton of outside marketing. Shes a mascot mate

 

[DarthEnderX]

What world you from mate, Ruru aint a mascot.
Haohmaru is.

SNK has straight up said that while Haohmaru is SamSho's main character, Nakoruru is the mascot, not just of SamSho, but for the entire company.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Please stay on topic, my username is not smash speculation. Thank you.



What world you from mate, Ruru aint a mascot.
Haohmaru is.

My point is that if your username is inspired by something that only stayed alive for years because of memes, you don't get to dismiss **** like ATs for being 'memes' There's a reason a lot of ATs became such, and it's because they weren't going to be playable anyway and Sakurai thought he should throw their fans a bone

 

[kaithehedgefox]

Probably rejected because they're meme picks.
Echo chambers and the such.
Even if Bomberman was a serious choice, maybe it was the perceived limitations in his move set.
I wonder if Sakurai looks at the character and thinks "they can't seriously be this popular for no reason, must be a meme".

Why would Sakurai reject meme picks. I know in Waluigi's case it's because he doesn't comply with rule of needing to be a major character to be playable. (Piranha plant is an exception to this rule)

Bomberman was turned into an assist trophy despite having moveset potential, while in contrast Yuri and Shovel Knight were turned into assist trophies due to being only mildly iconic 3rd party characters.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I hope this debate stops before it even starts. Guy bemoaning everything popular due to 'memes' (more like memetics but hey) + kid spouting made-up rules + people giving them the time of day = probably a very tiresome conversation.

 

[DarthEnderX]

My point is that if your username is inspired by something that only stayed alive for years because of memes

Hey now, Attack on Titan is legitimately awesome and is probably, currently, the best its ever been.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hey now, Attack on Titan is legitimately awesome and is probably, currently, the best its ever been.

I can understand the manga but nobody was talking about the manga back in 2014, but rather SIE SIND DIE ESSEN UND WIR SIND IE JAEGER! just being everywhere

I hope this debate stops before it even starts. Guy bemoaning everything popular due to 'memes' (more like memetics but hey) + kid spouting made-up rules + people giving them the time of day = probably a very tiresome conversation.

I mean, the second one pretty much admitted he's baiting people, the peple still giving him the time of day are in the wrong there

 

[GoodGrief741]

I can understand the manga but nobody was talking about the manga back in 2014, but rather SIE SIND DIE ESSEN UND WIR SIND IE JAEGER! just being everywhere

I mean, the second one pretty much admitted he's baiting people, the peple still giving him the time of day are in the wrong there

I doubt that they're actually a troll, I think they're just a kid with zero self awareness.

 

[DevaAshera]

How would you even know that? We have no alternate universe Smash Ultimate that we could compare the characters to. For all we know, Decidueye and Alucard could've been far more interesting than Incineroar and Simon/Richter. There's just no way to check.

I can make an assumption based on the fact that we have many sword wielders, which Alucard would likely be, even with unique potential from the game, while we haven't had any whip wielders, so the Belmonts seem more interesting on a conceptual basis, same goes fro Decidueye and Incineroar..I mean, the last potential Bow-Based character, Pit, was even made to actually primarily be a dual sword wielder, so it could be seen as a bit difficult to make a near pure bow user as a full Smash fighter whereas a grappler like Incineroar is both easily made into a fighter while also being something that Smash didn't have yet.

I'm not saying that Decidueye and Alucard wouldn't be unique, interesting, and fun, but I just think that, on a conceptual basis, what was chosen is more interesting.

 

[lady_sky skipper]

I think if we get someone from Samurai Shodown it's going to be Nakoruru. She's SNK's second largest character, only behind Terry.

Wouldn't be that surprising to me, she shares mascot duties with Terry and Athena and she and Terry were chosen for SNK's charity the Nakoruru and Terry club.

 

[---]

Not sure exactly what's going on with the "meme" or manga discussion but it's pretty clear that it needs to be dropped. Please and thank you.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I can make an assumption based on the fact that we have many sword wielders, which Alucard would likely be, even with unique potential from the game, while we haven't had any whip wielders, so the Belmonts seem more interesting on a conceptual basis, same goes fro Decidueye and Incineroar..I mean, the last potential Bow-Based character, Pit, was even made to actually primarily be a dual sword wielder, so it could be seen as a bit difficult to make a near pure bow user as a full Smash fighter whereas a grappler like Incineroar is both easily made into a fighter while also being something that Smash didn't have yet.

I'm not saying that Decidueye and Alucard wouldn't be unique, interesting, and fun, but I just think that, on a conceptual basis, what was chosen is more interesting.

Ehhhhh, 2 things I highly disagree with here
1: Belmont wasn't the first whip user in Smash, that's ZSS
2: All that Smash has with bows and arrows is literally 1 attack shared across 5 characters, wrestling or grappling already had more examples with suplexes, drop kicks and body slams

 

[Idon]

On a conceptual basis?

Dude, Alucard is one of the most complex characters Castlevania has.

MEANWHILE SIMON'S ENTIRE MOVESET IS THROWING OUT HIS WHIP IN 8 7 CARDINAL DIRECTIONS.

And I'm not even going to get into your Decidueye being boring because another bow wielder is boring who doesn't even use the bow as intended.

 

[Jassassino]

Personally I don't think it's a stretch at all to say Linkle is a good pick for a future character. Moveset potential would be great and it would kind of be a Koei rep.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

On a conceptual basis?

Dude, Alucard is one of the most complex characters Castlevania has.

MEANWHILE SIMON'S ENTIRE MOVESET IS THROWING OUT HIS WHIP IN 8 7 CARDINAL DIRECTIONS.

And I'm not even going to get into your Decidueye being boring because another bow wielder is boring who doesn't even use the bow as intended.

The best part is that SotN heavily implies he's been holding back the entire ****ing time as getting turned to stone sometime has Alucard turn into his ****ing demon form

 

[Curious Villager]

How likely do y'all think Professor Layton of Level-5 is for DLC? I feel like he's kind of slept on, but that's pretty understandable seeing as there are so many possible characters these days.

I hope he has a decent shot, he was a fairly popular request during the ballot period, but like you said, competition has gotten steeper these days as Smash continues to evolve as a franchise and new series come and go.

I do think Level-5 has a decent shot in getting a character in there though, especially if they really are working on doing more collaborations with new companies to get more brand new worlds in there, wether its Layton or Jibanyan from Yokai Watch. Nintendo themselves also seems to be still inclined to promote and support the series if them featuring LMJ Deluxe continually in various gaming events are anything to go by.

I guess only time will tell....

 

[DarthEnderX]

The best part is that SotN heavily implies he's been holding back the entire ****ing time as getting turned to stone sometime has Alucard turn into his ****ing demon form

Pretty sure that's just a gag about gargoyles being made of stone.

 

[Ben Holt]

I just realized something.
You know how several characters have been "hinted" for Smash Bros. by developers?
Bethesda confirmed talking to Nintendo about Smash. Capcom said that they'd want DMC on Switch before Dante comes to Smash. And Halo's devs said that they'd like to see Master Chief in Smash?
Remember how Sakurai said that NINTENDO picked the DLC list for Sakurai to choose from?
What if all these characters are already approved by the third parties, and even THEY don't know whether or not their characters are chosen for Smash?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

On the whole Incineroar vs Decidueye and Simon vs Alucard discussion:

I honestly found Incineroar a bit disappointing as a grappler character, his command grab is nowhere nearly as flexible as I would have liked. I always expected a grappler in Smash would be someone who had a command grab that would change depending on directional input, make it his neutral special and then have variations like backwards being a defensive grab with super armor, and upwards being an anti-air grab. Incineroar's grab is fun, but it's not applicable in enough situations that I feel like he's a proper grappler, he lives the wrestling fantasy well, but that's about it. I would have preferred Decidueye, I'm a sucker for Grass-types, and even if I think a pure archer character is difficult to make work in Smash, he would at least have Grass and Ghost moves that would make it so that all of his moves wouldn't need to be projectiles.

I did however agree with Simon over Alucard, despite SotN being my favorite in the series. I think Alucard could have been a fantastic character, but Simon was the natural pick imo, he's like the Marth of Castlevania, he has the Nintendo connection, and also makes for an extremely unique character, to downplay the latter part is just being willfully ignorant. ZSS doesn't even need to be brought up, from Smash 4 onwards she only has two or three moves where she uses a whip, her primary fighting style is her rocket boots now, she's really not much more of a whip user than Pit is an archer. Even Brawl ZSS didn't really live the whip fighting style, the Belmonts most certainly do, not just because of how much they use the whip, but also because of how their specials compliment the fighting style, they feel like a fully realized concept and have been fantastic additions to the roster imo. Now of course Alucard also has a ton of potential, but my point is that the discussion doesn't really come down to who could have the most unique moveset, it's fair enough to admit you'd rather have one or the other for the simple reason that you think that character is just cooler.

 

[ErenJager]

A new Contra game comes out tomorrow on Nintendo Switch.

 

[Himiko]

I just had a huge laugh at a certain someone in here claiming Nakoruru isn’t a mascot but Haohmaru is AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
good one.

But alas, mod says to drop it so drop it I must do. Anyways, some characters I’d really like to see in Smash:

Jill Valentine | Resident Evil
Lara Croft | Tomb Raider
Katalina | Granblue Fantasy
Morrigan Aensland | Darkstalkers
2B: | Nier: Automata

This isn’t counting all of the amazing female Final Fantasy characters I’d want included or Nakoruru since Final Fantasy already has a rep and SNK just got their rep announced. I’m honestly getting really bored of the current roster of characters in Smash, there’s just not enough characters I’m interested in and the dlc has been really disappointing for me so far.

 

[ErenJager]

I just had a huge laugh at a certain someone in here claiming Nakoruru isn’t a mascot but Haohmaru is AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
good one.

But alas, mod says to drop it so drop it I must do. Anyways, some characters I’d really like to see in Smash:

Jill Valentine | Resident Evil
Lara Croft | Tomb Raider
Katalina | Granblue Fantasy
Morrigan Aensland | Darkstalkers
2B: | Nier: Automata

This isn’t counting all of the amazing female Final Fantasy characters I’d want included or Nakoruru since Final Fantasy already has a rep and SNK just got their rep announced. I’m honestly getting really bored of the current roster of characters in Smash, there’s just not enough characters I’m interested in and the dlc has been really disappointing for me so far.

The complete and utter state of yourself.
So triggered couldn't even leave it alone.
Keep seething keep coping.

Go to SNK main website... big pic of Haohmaru, nakoruru no where in sight.
K.
https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/us/
https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/
The "mascot" so nice they don't even use it. lmao.
b-b-b-but 20 years ago they s-s-s-aid nakoruru was there mascot.
Perfect example of people just believing crap post memes about characters without actually playing the video games or let alone research.
It's too easy! haha.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Saw a Smash trailer tier list, felt it's appropriate to share here

Personally I ranked em based on the gameplay and/or trailers. Hoping we get more creative trailers down the road, assuming post FP will still have CG stuff

 

[Himiko]

The complete and utter state of yourself.
So triggered couldn't even leave it alone.
Keep seething keep coping.

Go to SNK main website... big pic of Haohmaru, nakoruru no where in sight.
K.

Last time I checked, Haohmaru wasn’t anywhere in that SNK trailer for Terry’s reveal, but Nakoruru was. Nakoruru is also SNK’s 3rd most popular character, while Haohmaru is their 9th most popular, from their 2018 character popularity poll. And as others here have mentioned, Nakoruru has also been a mascot for SNK itself for social awareness campaigns. The majority of the evidence points against you, and you’re really making yourself look very ignorant, to put it lightly.

 

[YoshiandToad]

The complete and utter state of yourself.
So triggered couldn't even leave it alone.
Keep seething keep coping.

Go to SNK main website... big pic of Haohmaru, nakoruru no where in sight.
K.
https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/us/
The "mascot" so nice they don't even use it. lmao.
b-b-b-but 20 years ago they s-s-s-aid nakoruru was there mascot.

She has been used as a mascot before though. Hell, she and Terry were chosen to be the mascots for a social action group SNK themselves started up to better the lives of children.

It's even called the Nakoruru and Terry Club.

 

[Himiko]

Saw a Smash trailer tier list, felt it's appropriate to share here
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Personally I ranked em based on the gameplay and/or trailers. Hoping we get more creative trailers down the road, assuming post FP will still have CG stuff

I will never accept that Terry reveal trailer as anything but “yuck” tier. It was disgustingly mean to us Nakoruru fans.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I will never accept that Terry reveal trailer as anything but “yuck” tier. It was disgustingly mean to us Nakoruru fans.

I wish they did something that was an homage to Capcom vs. SNK myself.

Since Joker had a trailer with and without gameplay, I'd hope Terry gets the same deal.

 

[Calamitas]

Saw a Smash trailer tier list, felt it's appropriate to share here
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Personally I ranked em based on the gameplay and/or trailers. Hoping we get more creative trailers down the road, assuming post FP will still have CG stuff

C'mon, you can't just drop this here and then not link us to the place where you made it.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Saw a Smash trailer tier list, felt it's appropriate to share here

Spoiler: Media

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Personally I ranked em based on the gameplay and/or trailers. Hoping we get more creative trailers down the road, assuming post FP will still have CG stuff

I find it hilarious that Banjo & Kazooie's trailer is Yuck Tier for some reason. Personally I liked the trailer because Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and King K. Rool's interactions were amazing. Makes me want to see a game where all three are together again. Otherwise I'd put Palutena's trailer in Darn Cool Tier 'cuz anime, and Bayonetta's trailer in Alright Tier.

Greninja and Bayonetta's trailers are the only ones to make me childishly rage; I wanted Greninja to be Mewtwo and just...didn't want Bayonetta I guess. I'm over it now though.

True story: I woke up one morning and thought "why isn't Pac-Man in the game", then checked Smash's website to find his trailer waiting for me there. I think I pretty much lost my mind which is probably the reason I don't have the IQ required to play him.

 

[Aetheri]

Saw a Smash trailer tier list, felt it's appropriate to share here
View attachment 239297
Personally I ranked em based on the gameplay and/or trailers. Hoping we get more creative trailers down the road, assuming post FP will still have CG stuff

I felt Isabelle's was one of the worst ones. Simply because it was just long and boring. Probably doesn't help that I'm not an Animal Crossing fan.

Also despite not really caring for the character Bowser Jr.'s trailer was actually one of the most hype.

 

[Deleted member]

Has there been any leaks or something?

 

[Schnee117]

Don't feed the troll