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This may be an unpopular opinion but I hope we get a lot more of 3rd party Mii costumes (Dante or Doomguy comes to my mind as interesting choices), Sans was well received and I think is a great way to represent even more franchises in Smash.
I know we talk about full-fledged characters, but do you have any "predictions" on new Mii costumes?
The only reason I bought the Sans mii costume was because of Megalovania. Music is more valuable to me than a costume. Otherwise, mii costumes are always sort of eh for me, however, I'm impressed Toby Fox got Undertale in Smash period.
 
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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
 
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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
There can be only one

 

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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
Easy for me:
- Isaac
- Alucard
- Lyn
- Skull Kid

I don't have a fifth assist tropy I'd really like to see playable, but Waluigi, Spring Man, Rodin or Mother Brain would be nice.
 
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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
Oh well that's easy:
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Waluigi
-Bomberman
-Shadow
 

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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
Waluigi
Shadow
Shovel Knight
Zero
Alucard
 

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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
I'd buy any combo of 5 AT promotions, but if I had to guess I think they'd go with:

Waluigi
Isaac
Spring Man
Bomberman
Ashley

Not necessarily that order of announcement. Waluigi or Spring Man would probably be first, and Isaac would be the Banjo, so right in the middle.
 

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Imagine waiting in line while cosplaying a character at a Nintendo event, and while you're waiting in line, a Smash trailer drops and it just so happens to be your character.

I dressed as Palutena at the Smash 4 Invitational (in order to get a good seat, you had to have a Nintendo themed costume). Her trailer dropped when me and hundreds of other Smash fans were waiting in line. Talk about exhilarating. People asked to take pictures and whatnot. I still remember someone saying "She's right there!" I felt like freakin' royalty; I tried to get in character and everything.

That was a memorable day to say the absolute least, and why her reveal trailer is one of my favorites, but it still doesn't beat Brawl's reveal trailer though lol.

I think most of the reveal trailers are good overall. Pound for pound, Smash 4 churned out the best compared to the other games. Ultimate has some standouts though; Terry's is very good, for example.
 
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So do you guys think DLC fighter 5 will be revealed in November with Terry's release or not until the VGA in December?
Yes. I think we're going to get a Smash Direct when Terry is released that shows off Terry, the features of update 6.0, and then ends with Fighter 5's announcement.

If they do another VGA announcement, it'll be the first character after the fighter's pass.

I hope more Mii costumes in the future come with a song like Sans did.

If Phoenix is not going to be a playable fighter, I hope that Sakurai and his team can give us a Mii costume and a version of "Pursuit ~ Cornered"
That's a pretty reasonable attitude, but ugh, it just made me realize how easily a lot of my top character requests could end up as Miis instead of playable characters.

Hayabusa could easily be a Swordfighter. Kunio/Riki or Billy/Jimmy could easily be Brawlers. Bill Rizer/Lance Bean could easily be Gunners. etc.

I'd be disappointed they weren't full characters, but at the same time, psyched just to see them in the game. Especially if they came with music.

Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?
Want:
Alucard
Zero
Bomberman
Shovel Knight
Spring Man

I'd also like to see Shadow and Black Knight promoted to Echo fighters.

And I'd like to see Mother Brain and Andross promoted to Bosses.
 
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What if
You wanted a character that wasn't from Fire Emblem as DLC

But Sakurai said:
"RUS SA RES BASA BAUC
AD VITA DAS SAINT GRAN I
VACA VAS PIL BUR HU RES
DA SI VASA"
Gonna be 100% sincere, I would not mind another FE character since I enjoy playing as everyone on the roster.

...but I don’t understand the quotation portion. Is it the theme in Latin?
 

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I was messing around with a custom roster creator, and I added in a few potential DLC spots based on who I thought were reasonable picks, albeit ased on my limited, general knowledge of each new fighters' series. Even though the final selection could end up with a lot more than these characters, I decided to leave it at 5 for the time being, with the Fighter Pass ending with Travis Touchdown.

I'll just give a brief rundown on why I feel they're somewhat plausible:

1. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes) - While it's a series I'm quite unfamiliar with, I feel as if the No More Heroes series has earned enough notablity and goodwill from Nintendo (considering the next sequel is a Switch exclusive), as well as enough of an established and recognizable identity to warrant Travis' inclusion. He seems to have a distinct fighting style, weapon(s) and personality that makes him stand out as a unique fighter.
2. Karate Joe (Rhythm Heaven) - Rhythm Heaven is among the last big Nintendo franchises yet to receive fighter representation, and while it could be any number of characters from the series, such as the Chorus Kids, I feel that Joe operates as more of the foundational character, as he is the first character to appear in the franchise within a rhythm game, and has shown up in numerous titles since then.
3. Lloyd Irving (Tales of series) - Like Hero, Lloyd hails from a tremendously influential and popular JRPG series, and as its poster boy, no less. He's among the top requested fighters in Japan, and a good amount of people here want him, as well. It seems like there is a multitude of attacks that could be pulled from his own games, so there wouldn't be too much trouble working a moveset for him.
4. Crash Bandicoot (Crash series) I'll admit, he's been showing up in speculation a great deal, and while the forum can serve as an echo chamber for certain characters being talked about again and again, Crash does possess merit as a strong third-party selection. Popular in both the east and west, he's among the most iconic video game mascots in history, serving as a rival to Mario and acting as the face of Playstation upon his inception. His appeal still remains today, with the recent success of his remastered trilogy.
5. Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil) - Another favorite among the community in terms of speculation, but he's got warranted reasons to join all the same. He's seen as Resident Evil's most popular and prominent protagonist by many fans, and he's been the featured main character of Resident Evil 4, considered to be one of the best titles in the series.

Anyway, that's all I got. Feel free to critique me on any of my picks.
Where I can find this custom roster maker?
 

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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
-Waluigi
-Isaac
-Lyn (yeah, yeah, more Fire Emblem but she is the fan fave)
-Bomberman (the only one I was hugely gutted by)
-Midna/Ghirahim/Skull Kid(just give me more Zelda characters already)
 

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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
Assist Trophy promotions eh?

  • Tingle
  • Dr. Wright
  • Hammer Bro
  • Rathalos
  • Barbara the Bat
 

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Honestly, no matter which characters they reveal from now on, i'll be happy for the people who wanted them. First or third-party, it doesn't matter. I'll be fine with whatever character Nintendo chooses, with only ONE exception: another ****ing Fire Emblem rep. I know there's a extremely high chance they'll add a Three Houses character in, but i swear my blood will boil if that happens. There will be EIGHT FE characters - almost as many characters as Mario. FE is not that big of a franchise to deserve that.
 
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Imagine waiting in line while cosplaying a character at a Nintendo event, and while you're waiting in line, a Smash trailer drops and it just so happens to be your character.

I dressed as Palutena at the Smash 4 Invitational (in order to get a good seat, you had to have a Nintendo themed costume). Her trailer dropped when me and hundreds of other Smash fans were waiting in line. Talk about exhilarating. People asked to take pictures and whatnot. I still remember someone saying "She's right there!" I felt like freakin' royalty; I tried to get in character and everything.

That was a memorable day to say the absolute least, and why her reveal trailer is one of my favorites, but it still doesn't beat Brawl's reveal trailer though lol.

I think most of the reveal trailers are good overall. Pound for pound, Smash 4 churned out the best compared to the other games. Ultimate has some standouts though; Terry's is very good, for example.
What a good coincidence, haha. Palutena is one of the best additions to Smash if you ask me, I'd have a hard time imagining she or Pit not returning to the roster, I see both and specially Pit as part of the main characters of Smash. I love Kid Icarus Uprising so much and I pray for another game even if Sakurai doesn't make the game. I don't want to wait 20 years or more for another game... hahaha
 

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Did I watch a different Sonic trailer to everyone else? Like it was pretty cool he was in the game, but I remember how weirdly anticlimactic it was when the video just appeared on SmashDojo that morning. Especially after how good that first Brawl trailer with Snake was.

If we're grading purely based on how good the trailer is, Sonic is probably bottom tier, even if Sonic in Brawl is a top tier moment in Smash history.
I loved the trailer. It was well edited and punchy. I remember watching it over and over the day of the announcement.

And I hated the idea of Sonic in Smash before the update went live!
 

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Honestly, no matter which characters they reveal from now on, i'll be happy for the people who wanted them. First or third-party, it doesn't matter. I'll be fine with whatever character Nintendo chooses, with only ONE exception: a ****ing Fire Emblem rep. I know there's a extremely high chance they'll add a Three Houses character in, but i swear my blood will boil if that happens. There will be EIGHT FE characters - almost as many characters as Mario. FE is not that big of a franchise to deserve that.
No... I will not rest until you want Anna taking your money.
 
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So do you guys think DLC fighter 5 will be revealed in November with Terry's release or not until the VGA in December?
Fighter 5 is definitely being revealed before the end of the year.

Honestly, no matter which characters they reveal from now on, i'll be happy for the people who wanted them. First or third-party, it doesn't matter. I'll be fine with whatever character Nintendo chooses, with only ONE exception: another ****ing Fire Emblem rep. I know there's a extremely high chance they'll add a Three Houses character in, but i swear my blood will boil if that happens. There will be EIGHT FE characters - almost as many characters as Mario. FE is not that big of a franchise to deserve that.
TBF, at least Three Houses is warmly received compared to Fates and it wouldn't be another blasted Marth clone this time around
 

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TBF, at least Three Houses is warmly received compared to Fates and it wouldn't be another blasted Marth clone this time around
Which Three Houses character you thing they could add and how different he would be compared to others? I'll search about him before it gets revealed so i can be somewhat less dissapointed when that happens. I don't know **** about that game, fill me in.
 
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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
I will go with the most obvious choices
-Chain Chomp
-Thwomp
-Dr Kawashima
-Color TV-Game 15
-Flies and Hand
 

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Still, I have to agree, even then the series is still over-represented as is, the fandom's anime-bias not withstanding. Plus for DLC I think an unexpected third party would be way more exciting than Byleth or Edelgard.
Still, this is a dead horse that has been beaten many times.

Now, if I were to upgrade five assist trophies:

Waluigi
Isaac
(I myself don't care much about Golden Sun but I know how long people have wanted him and the fans have gotten teased two games in a row, I'd do this for them.)
Krystal (Star Fox needs a non-semiclone rep plus Adventures was a unique entry with potential.=).
Ghirahim (Zelda needs more unique reps)
Knuckles (I'm a big fan of the Sonic series and it is the only third party franchise with perfect attendence since 3rd parties entered Smash. Sonic deserves another rep, no matter what people say).
 

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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
I'd choose...
Alucard
Black Knight
Shovel Knight
Rodin
Zero
 

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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
For totally unexpected picks:
1. Yuri Kozukata
2. Rathalos
3. Vincent (the painter)
4. Guile
5. Alucard
 

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Let's say hypothetically there was a Fighter's Pass featuring characters who are currently in Ultimate as assist trophies. With the only "rule" being one character per series, who would you want/think are going to be the 5 fighters?

For me I'd want:
-Midna (gee no one saw this coming)
-Bomberman
-Krystal
-Spring Man
-Shovel Knight

Who I think Nintendo would go with:
-Waluigi
-Spring Man
-Isaac
-Skull Kid
-Shadow
Don't know about Nintendo but my picks would probably be:

Bomberman
Isaac
Alucard
Zero
Dillon
 
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Which Three Houses character you thing they could add and how different he would be compared to others? I'll search about him before it gets revealed so i can be somewhat less dissapointed when that happens. I don't know **** about that game, fill me in.
Edelgard is probably the most vocally supported. She breaks some trends in FE representation just from concept alone.

Female axe user, heavy, and the "villain" of TH.

Dimitri is a spear user. If they go timeskip for his design, he'll be represented as a bloodlusting maddog with incredible strength.

Claude is a smarmy wise ass with a bow and arrow. We don't really have an archer and Claude is legit one of the silliest characters in possibly the whole series.

Byleth, the avatar, would probably be the character you'd hate the most. Silent protagonist with a sword. Granted, even he has potential for a Smash character. He has access to every weapon in the game, has a whip, time powers, and magic.

Also Three Houses would bring Three Houses music, and that is a good thing, my dude.
 

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Which Three Houses character you thing they could add and how different he would be compared to others? I'll search about him before it gets revealed so i can be somewhat less dissapointed when that happens. I don't know **** about that game, fill me in.
The main protagonist, Byleth, has a whip sword. Think Ivy from Soulcalibur. She also has things like commanding armies ("gambits") and the potential of summoning the three main lords for things like heavy attacks (Edelgard and her axe) or ranged attacks (Claude and his bow, Dimitri and his spear) among other things. We could see one of the house leaders added with Edelgard being the frontrunner if that's the case, and as mentioned she's a commander of armies who wields a huge axe.

It's also worth noting that, and this is a bit of a rant I'm afraid, the Fire Emblem Fatigue is really predicated on Corrin being added during the Sm4sh DLC cycle. A character that fans aren't into, a game that was highly controversial before and after release, and during a time of high tension, especially since they brought back Roy (which wasn't so bad since people like Melee). Bad timing. And yet, Corrin is a highly unique character gameplay-wise. It's sort of ridiculous because Ike, Robin, Corrin, Roy, and Marth all play totally differently from each other. Roy, Chrom, Marth, and Lucina have similarities, yes, but considering two of those are echoes it's not a massive thing. I really do feel that most of the salt comes from Fates itself not really being that great. If Corrin was replaced with, I don't know, Rhea or Tiki or something, there would be far less Fire Emblem hate all things considered.

Three Houses is a really good game, man. Give it a try. Beautiful music, amazing characters, great world, and tons of content.
 
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Somehow missed this. Play Golden Deer's route, it's the lyrics for one of the map themes and it's a ****ing banger
I would, but I don't have Three Houses at the moment. Maybe someday....

Also I was thinking, if the roster were nothing but FE characters (with Mario & Luigi as guest fighters), how would people react?
 

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I would, but I don't have Three Houses at the moment. Maybe someday....

Also I was thinking, if the roster were nothing but FE characters (with Mario & Luigi as guest fighters), how would people react?
Hey, Fire Emblem is a better franchise than most already in Smash, there's already plenty of variety despite what Smash fans will try to convince you of. I'd buy that game
 

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It's also worth noting that, and this is a bit of a rant I'm afraid, the Fire Emblem Fatigue is really predicated on Corrin being added during the Sm4sh DLC cycle. A character that fans aren't into, a game that was highly controversial before and after release, and during a time of high tension, especially since they brought back Roy (which wasn't so bad since people like Melee). Bad timing. And yet, Corrin is a highly unique character gameplay-wise. It's sort of ridiculous because Ike, Robin, Corrin, Roy, and Marth all play totally differently from each other. Roy, Chrom, Marth, and Lucina have similarities, yes, but considering two of those are echoes it's not a massive thing. I really do feel that most of the salt comes from Fates itself not really being that great. If Corrin was replaced with, I don't know, Rhea or Tiki or something, there would be far less Fire Emblem hate all things considered.
Isn't most of the FE hate coming from, like, non-FE fans? I don't think swapping out Corrin would matter much.

Anyway, as a Donkey Kong fan, I will only accept another Fire Emblem character if Dixie, Cranky, Funky, Chunky, Tiny, Lanky, Wrinkly, Brash The Bear, Kaptain K. Rool, and, uh... *checks notes* Gray Krusha From That One Level In DKC1 all get into the roster first.

And even then I'll only accept an echo fighter.
 
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Isn't most of the FE hate coming from, like, non-FE fans? I don't think swapping out Corrin would matter much.

Anyway, as a Donkey Kong fan, I will only accept another Fire Emblem character if Dixie, Cranky, Funky, Chunky, Tiny, Lanky, Wrinkly, Brash The Bear, Kaptain K. Rool, and, uh... *checks notes* Gray Krusha From That One Level In DKC1 all get into the roster first.

And even then I'll only accept an echo fighter.
Silence Boomer, you KNOW the Snowmads would be better than those
 
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I'm tired of people pretending Tropical Freeze isn't a great *** game, good games post SNES exist you know
No I agree. Tropical Freeze is probably the best Donkey Kong game. I'd rather have Dixie, Cranky, or Funky than those penguin dudes though.
 
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