Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Nquoid]

Nintendo has been working with Tencent for quite a while on this matter iirc (Tencent also owns SNK now funny enough iirc) and considering I saw Chinese gamers protest a game's existence for looking too similar to BotW, I'm pretty sure it'll go well

I believe its 37games who own them, not Tencent. But the Chinese market seems very up for collaboration, which is why Mai has been in literally every made for China Gacha game under the sun.

 

[Renjamin]

That's why you need to make the Metal Slug character the tank instead of one of the soldiers! Who wouldn't want to play a tank?
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That is the second best idea mankind has ever had

 

[Ben Holt]

Sora supporters get REALLY defensive when it's pointed out how many issues Sora has.
We're not trying to argue why Sora SHOULDN'T be in Smash; we're arguing that he's got more hurdles than any other third party character other than maybe Kratos or Sony properties.
But our arguments get misrepresented as hate for Sora, and it's kind of annoying.

I personally am indifferent to Sora. But I support literally all characters just because I want to see people happy. I have no connection to characters like Isaac, but I support him ardently, because I know that people really like him.
Sora is the same to me, but he has so many issues that I see him as having almost 0% chance of getting in.

 

[Ornl]

That's why you need to make the Metal Slug character the tank instead of one of the soldiers! Who wouldn't want to play as a tank?

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I think that choice would have been authentic and bold!

 

[Ezclapper]

Sora supporters get REALLY defensive when it's pointed out how many issues Sora has.
We're not trying to argue why Sora SHOULDN'T be in Smash; we're arguing that he's got more hurdles than any other third party character other than maybe Kratos or Sony properties.
But our arguments get misrepresented as hate for Sora, and it's kind of annoying.

I personally am indifferent to Sora. But I support literally all characters just because I want to see people happy. I have no connection to characters like Isaac, but I support him ardently, because I know that people really like him.
Sora is the same to me, but he has so many issues that I see him as having almost 0% chance of getting in.

Me personally as a Sora supporter, get annoyed at people who are misinformed and assume what issues Sora has in getting in the roster. Now i'm not saying he doesn't have issues, he does, his character rights are owned by Disney and as we know they tend to be stingy when it comes to negotiations as we've seen recently with Sony and them. Like when people say "Sora is not a video game character cuz disney, 4head," that's a prime example of just pure ignorance.

 

[Renjamin]

I think another unfortunate roadblock for Sora is that other disney characters are so instrumental to his games, would they put Donald and Goofy in the game? (As spirits, in his stage or in his final smash obviously they wouldn't be playable) They so important to the games it'd be weird to see him without them, but it'd be equally weird to have Donald fricking Duck appear in Smash.

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Sora also has another problem.
Square.

Welp, two Kingdom Hearts songs then

(No-one seems to have mentioned that, even Hero has this problem. Each alt references a different Dragon Quest game, and each gets 2 songs lol)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sora also has another problem.
Square.

Welp, two Kingdom Hearts songs then

(No-one seems to have mentioned that, even Hero has this problem. Each alt references a different Dragon Quest game, and each gets 2 songs lol)

I mean, there's still a huge difference, Koichi Sugiyama is infamously, a massive bellend when it comes to music as a whole and FF7 had more people to split royalties between for designs too. I believe Yoko Shimamura does most of the KH songs, and she's been working on Smash for years so I'd imagine she'd be less hard to get music from as a result

 

[Ben Holt]

Like when people say "Sora is not a video game character cuz disney, 4head," that's a prime example of just pure ignorance.

To be fair, the Android 21 analogy is reasonable.
I'm not saying that I believe or disbelieve the idea of Sora even being eligible due to Kingdom Hearts being technically a spin-off of the Mickey Mouse franchise, but to dismiss that argument is fundamentally dishonest.

But to shift away from the Sora debate, I have been thinking about the fifth fighter in the pass.
I firmly believe that it has not been leaked because Terry didn't get leaked until Nintendo themselves ****ed up, despite the big leakers obviously knowing about it. So I doubt they will leak Fighter 5.
Based on my personal speculation, I believe that fighter 5 will be unique compared to the other Fighter's Pass characters due to it being sold as a bundle. My original thought was Doom Slayer, since we have a brawler (Terry) and a swordfighter (Hero), and the most prominent gunner is Doom Slayer. But just today, I thought about Jibanyan. He is unique from the other fighters, and he has a huge fanbase, especially in Japan.

But ultimately, I have two theories that are not mutually exclusive:

1. Variety Theory
Since the Fighter's Pass was sold as a bundle, and all 4 characters so far have been vastly different from each other, it makes sense to me that Nintendo intentionally considered variety so that those who ordered the Fighter's Pass as a whole will feel as if they got their bang for their buck by getting five unique fighters. This means that swordfighting characters, traditional fighting game characters, and (this one hurts me, because I want Crash) cartoony mascot platformers are all out of the running if variety theory is to be believed.

2. Region Theory
As stated a few days ago, I noticed a peculiar pattern in the Fighter's Pass. It seems as if every character chosen so far (bar Joker to my knowledge), has had their support concentrated heavily by region. Hero was quite obviously most popular in Japan while having lukewarm support in the West. Banjo was the opposite. But think back to 2016 when Sakurai said that Bayonetta was the most popular choice of Europe. I cannot prove this, but what if Banjo (the character I voted for) was carried by North America? This seems very plausible. Had it stopped there, I would not give this theory one thought, but the next character really catalyzed this theory for me, Terry. When I first heard the SNK leaks, I was angry because I thought NO ONE supported Terry, and he was just a Sakurai pick. But then it came to my attention that SNK is very popular in Latin America, so Nintendo most likely included him to please those fans. This means that as of now, Europe, Japan, North America, and Latin America have all had their regional pick added to the roster. This leaves Africa and Australia. But to my knowledge, gaming isn't very popular in Africa, so that means that if Region Theory is to be believed, then we should be looking toward Australia for speculation.

So if you want to mix the theories for maximum speculation mode, then that means our best candidate is a non-swordfighter, non-platforming mascot, non-traditional fighter that is most popular in the Australian region.

Any guesses?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I think Sora's chances are really up to both Disney and Nintendo if either of them want to play ball or not. I think if Disney want's it to happen, Square-Enix and Nintendo will make it happen. You could argue they would be in it for the money, but maybe not as if that was the case with Microsoft we would have gotten Master Chief or Steve instead of Banjo & Kazooie.

At this point I'm almost positive pretty much anyone is willing to work with Sakurai on Smash if given the opportunity.

 

[Ben Holt]

I think another unfortunate roadblock for Sora is that other disney characters are so instrumental to his games, would they put Donald and Goofy in the game? (As spirits, in his stage or in his final smash obviously they wouldn't be playable) They so important to the games it'd be weird to see him without them, but it'd be equally weird to have Donald fricking Duck appear in Smash.

This is my biggest issue with Sora.
Even if all other hurdles are overcome, Sora still cannot be properly represented without Disney characters like Mickey and Donald.
Sure it's possible, but it wouldn't feel complete to have Sora stripped of Disney references.

 

[DevaAshera]

I'm still not so convinced Sora is going to be a high possibility, if even in the running. Squeenix already has several reps now. Sora is also in a weird grey area with Disney. They'll be stubborn to accept crossing Sora over and likely would want more than Nintendo would be willing to give. I'd also imagine Nintendo would look for characters from other series at this point. The whole 'rpg character' category is getting packed, which was why I was partially surprised to Terry getting included (despite the history Terry represents for the SNK company as a whole). I have a feeling the next bunch of characters will try to expand away from the current trend of RPG/Fighters and (minus Banjo and Plant). But I could be wrong. We could see more RPG characters.

I just highly doubt Sora is in the running. Cuz again...Disney.

Sora supporters get REALLY defensive when it's pointed out how many issues Sora has.
We're not trying to argue why Sora SHOULDN'T be in Smash; we're arguing that he's got more hurdles than any other third party character other than maybe Kratos or Sony properties.
But our arguments get misrepresented as hate for Sora, and it's kind of annoying.

I personally am indifferent to Sora. But I support literally all characters just because I want to see people happy. I have no connection to characters like Isaac, but I support him ardently, because I know that people really like him.
Sora is the same to me, but he has so many issues that I see him as having almost 0% chance of getting in.

I honestly don't think Sora has that many more issues than anyone else..I mean, we got Cloud and Hero..and Square-Enix is VERY stingy with their properties..it hasn't been until recently that they've trusted other companies with their IPs for crossovers, much like Nintendo to be honest.

As for Disney, are they protective of their IPs? Yes, but it also heavily depends on the IP involved, Kingdom Hearts, while huge for gamers, is minor in regards to their properties. In my eyes, if they've allowed Epic Games to use Marvel content in Fortnite, there shouldn't be much issue with them trusting a company like Nintendo with Sora..especially since they honestly defer almost all Kingdom Hearts decisions, outside of merchandise, to Nomura, who would almost certainly allow it. Heck, Disney has licensed out their IPs often, I mean, Kingdom Hearts itself is such a case, it wasn't Disney going to Square to make it, it was Square going to Disney to make it...and just about all games featuring Disney characters are licensed games..meaning Disney licensed them out to a company to make the game.

Disney has also licensed out Sora before. Granted, it was to Square-Enix, whom they already have a relationship with, but Sora was still licensed out for both Final Fantasy World and Final Fantasy Record Keeper (multiple times for the latter).

I'm not saying Sora doesn't have hurdles, since both Disney and Nomura have to be on board, but I feel like people overblow just how high those hurdles actually are. Disney is a company like any other and deals can be made..especially for what is a minor IP for them.

If you ask me, all 3rd Party characters, outside of those owned by Sony, have just about the same amount if hurdles. Lets admit, if Nintendo could get Microsoft, a competitor, to license them a character, Banjo-Kazooie, than getting Disney, who they do not compete with, shouldn't be any harder. Yes, Microsoft has worked with Nintendo before with Minecraft, but Nintendo has worked with Disney before as well, with Wreck-It Ralph.

This is my biggest issue with Sora.
Even if all other hurdles are overcome, Sora still cannot be properly represented without Disney characters like Mickey and Donald.
Sure it's possible, but it wouldn't feel complete to have Sora stripped of Disney references.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there..in both of the games I mentioned Sora being licensed out, it was only Sora (and other original Kingdom Hearts characters), none of Disney's mainstays like Donald or Goofy. Smash Bros. could follow suit, just having the hidden Mickey Keychain (since that wouldn't be a big issue) as the sole mainstay Disney reference. Kingdom Hearts has enough original characters to fill a DLC Spirit roster with the likes of Riku, Kairi, Roxas, Axel, Xion, Aqua, Terra, Ven, Xehanort, Master Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless, Xemnas, Organization XIII, etc, etc. While Donald & Goofy as Spirits would be nice, they aren't needed, nor are they needed for a Final Smash as Sora can do impressive attacks without them (I mean, if I recall, they were left out of the Final Boss Fights of Kingdom Hearts II, DDD, and III).
'Proper Representation' is also very subjective since, well, even the characters we have now don't have proper representation if you ask certain people..I mean, look at Cloud..no alternate art for his spirits, no Final Fantasy Spirits, only 2 songs..

 

[Diddy Kong]

I don’t think Sora is impossible, but I don’t think he’s extremely likely either. If anything, I’m far more confident in Geno at the moment. Am quite sure that SMRPG is gonna get a remake eventually, it’s a legendary game and we haven’t had a proper Mario RPG in a long time; why not revive the project that started all?

Not sure about Astral Chains either, the protagonist doesn’t spark as very interesting to me honestly. Tho the inclusion of such a character will spark interest in Astral Chains quite a lot I think.

Byleth is quite likely now yes. Three Houses is doing great, will continue to get DLC, and Byleth has lots of potential to make a great newcomer. I think he’s way more likely than Edelgard at least, but am not objected to her even if I prefer both Dimitri and Claude above her. Byleth however is the protagonist in every route; a way easier pick overall. And I hope they choose the design of their green hair to distinguish between the current Blue Haired Sword Lords.

I find it kind of weird however that they never made any amiibo of the Three Houses characters honestly. That might hurt them slightly, but might also mean nothing.

Isaac is still a great choice and his demand among the first party owned characters is probably the highest now. Maybe shared with Dixie Kong, though am saying that more out of hope more than anything else. With so many RPG remakes / revivals on the Switch, the way is already paved greatly for Golden Sun. So that alone is exciting enough for me. Isaac in Smash is just a great extra, as the revival of the franchise is what matters most to me.

Honestly I wouldn’t even know what to expect now from the remaining characters. Banjo is already the one third party pick I wouldn’t dare of ever expecting for despite his demand, I really can’t complain about nothing else after him even if I dislike the other characters.

However with the seeming focus on fighting genre characters, maybe a character from other huge fighting franchises might make it, for example; Mortal Kombat, Tekken, Soul Calibur... am thinking that’s most likely. Especially if there’s at least SOME history with Nintendo.

If I can only expect third party characters however, I kind of want to see the Monster Hunter or Amaterasu from Okami. But yeah I’m not too hopeful of them, just think they fit the theme of Smash better than anything else I can think of.

 

[YoshiandToad]

You're saying that people who feel first parties are less exciting would do a 180? I kinda doubt that but ok, especially as the options there include Fire Emblem and Pokemon, franchises which people have become more vocal about "Can we get a different franchise please?" But you do you

You're damn right I do.

I've seen people go from slating how dumb an idea is to worshipping the choice when it gets into Smash all to try and justify it's inclusion.

Cloud for instance is a great example of people treating him as a meme pick before retroactively claiming what a wonderful choice he was.

Pac-Man is another of "he doesn't fit Smash/he'd be boring/not recognisable enough(?)" to "of course Pac-Man is a great fit/he's creative and fun/he's Pac-Man"

Piranha Plant more recently, although this one is more understandable as he's a character you'd never guess would make it...

...or the entire concept of echoes. Previously everyone hated clones and ******* about them constantly. Then they get a rebrand from Sakurai and everyone went echo crazy.

Smash fans are fickle as ****. If Goomba turned up tomorrow a huge portion of these boards would celebrate him and use "well he's the most iconic minion ever" to justify him.

 

[DevaAshera]

You're damn right I do.

I've seen people go from slating how dumb an idea is to worshipping the choice when it gets into Smash all to try and justify it's inclusion.

Cloud for instance is a great example of people treating him as a meme pick before retroactively claiming what a wonderful choice he was.

Pac-Man is another of "he doesn't fit Smash/he'd be boring/not recognisable enough(?)" to "of course Pac-Man is a great fit/he's creative and fun/he's Pac-Man"

Piranha Plant more recently, although this one is more understandable as he's a character you'd never guess would make it...

...or the entire concept of echoes. Previously everyone hated clones and ******* about them constantly. Then they get a rebrand from Sakurai and everyone went echo crazy.

Smash fans are fickle as ****. If Goomba turned up tomorrow a huge portion of these boards would celebrate him and use "well he's the most iconic minion ever" to justify him.

Lets not forget my favorite Smash Fan Meme...."Character is Unlikely and will never happen!" -Character gets in- "Well, you know, that character is so obvious and has always been likely..I mean, who else would they pick for that series/company?"

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Pac-Man is another of "he doesn't fit Smash/he'd be boring/not recognisable enough(?)" to "of course Pac-Man is a great fit/he's creative and fun/he's Pac-Man"

I still don't want Pac-Man.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

You're damn right I do.

I've seen people go from slating how dumb an idea is to worshipping the choice when it gets into Smash all to try and justify it's inclusion.

Cloud for instance is a great example of people treating him as a meme pick before retroactively claiming what a wonderful choice he was.

Pac-Man is another of "he doesn't fit Smash/he'd be boring/not recognisable enough(?)" to "of course Pac-Man is a great fit/he's creative and fun/he's Pac-Man"

Piranha Plant more recently, although this one is more understandable as he's a character you'd never guess would make it...

...or the entire concept of echoes. Previously everyone hated clones and ******* about them constantly. Then they get a rebrand from Sakurai and everyone went echo crazy.

Smash fans are fickle as ****. If Goomba turned up tomorrow a huge portion of these boards would celebrate him and use "well he's the most iconic minion ever" to justify him.

Yeah, a lot of Smash fans backpadel a lot after a certain character's inclusion.

I remember people saying K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie would just be Bowser and Duck Hunt Echos if they got in. After they got in, the same people turn around and say "Oh my gosh they're so unique and I always wanted them." Lol!

 

[Wunderwaft]

However with the seeming focus on fighting genre characters, maybe a character from other huge fighting franchises might make it, for example; Mortal Kombat, Tekken, Soul Calibur... am thinking that’s most likely. Especially if there’s at least SOME history with Nintendo.

I also have a gut feeling we'll get another fighting game character in wave 2. If we do then I HOPE its Tekken. It's my favorite fighting game series outside of Smash. I'd choose Heihachi as the rep but I also would be super okay with Kazuya or Jin.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I also have a gut feeling we'll get another fighting game character in wave 2. If we do then I HOPE its Tekken. It's my favorite fighting game series outside of Smash. I'd choose Heihachi as the rep but I also would be super okay with Kazuya or Jin.

Tekken would be cool. I'm hoping for a Soul Caliber rep like Yoshimitsu or Nightmare. Actually, Yoshimitsu could be both the Tekken and the Soul Caliber rep.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

I also have a gut feeling we'll get another fighting game character in wave 2. If we do then I HOPE its Tekken. It's my favorite fighting game series outside of Smash. I'd choose Heihachi as the rep but I also would be super okay with Kazuya or Jin.

the fighters pass kinda reminds me of 4s DLC we got a RPG protag fighting game guy only thing we would need is a action game guy

 

[RetrogamerMax]

the fighters pass kinda reminds me of 4s DLC we got a RPG protag fighting game guy only thing we would need is a action game guy

Dante from Devil May Cry? He certainly would fit Bayonetta's role in Ultimate's DLC lineup.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Dante from Devil May Cry? He certainly would fit Bayonetta's role in Ultimate's DLC lineup.

I Want Dante and Ryu Hayabusa so it doesn't matter who at this point

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You're damn right I do.

I've seen people go from slating how dumb an idea is to worshipping the choice when it gets into Smash all to try and justify it's inclusion.

Cloud for instance is a great example of people treating him as a meme pick before retroactively claiming what a wonderful choice he was.

Pac-Man is another of "he doesn't fit Smash/he'd be boring/not recognisable enough(?)" to "of course Pac-Man is a great fit/he's creative and fun/he's Pac-Man"

Piranha Plant more recently, although this one is more understandable as he's a character you'd never guess would make it...

...or the entire concept of echoes. Previously everyone hated clones and ******* about them constantly. Then they get a rebrand from Sakurai and everyone went echo crazy.

Smash fans are fickle as ****. If Goomba turned up tomorrow a huge portion of these boards would celebrate him and use "well he's the most iconic minion ever" to justify him.

I feel Cloud and Pacman were different than what you're saying, Cloud was "Not Nintendo not happening" and Pacman was because people were worried he'd be based off of the cartoon.


That being said you're absolutely right abkut Echoes lmao

 

[Nekoo]

Do people even know that Sakurai is a fan of Kingdom Hearts Himself?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

He's even himself impressed by Nomura Work because HE HIMSELF KNOW how difficult working with different properties is.
I'm 100000% sure Sakurai see Sora as a Video Games Characters.

Saying and stretching to say that Sora isn't a video game Characters or that ****ing Mickey or Wreck-it-ralph or Android 21 have the same chance is truly stretching just like pre-smash Ultimate speculation.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He's even himself impressed by Sakurai Work because HE HIMSELF KNOW how difficult working with different properties is

Damn Sakurai really impressed Sakurai huh?

 

[SpectreJordan]

If Hayabusa comes with a Tecmo Bowl Mii Brawler outfit, I'll buy that in a heartbeat.


I wouldn't sleep on Koei even if Tecmo were to get a rep in smash. It may sound unlikely that Koei-Tecmo would get 2 characters in Ultimate with Ryu Hayabusa and a character from 1 of Koei's games, but with more DLC characters being developed past the Fighter Pass, it might actually be possible and willl be like how Cloud represents Squaresoft while Hero represents Enix.

Other than that, I don't know much of ArcSys' games but Sol Badguy looks pretty cool, so I wouldn't mind him.

Interesting! I didn’t know that was another Square type situation. I looked into it & I can see a Warriors character getting in, especially after the Nintendo variants. I wouldn’t personally want it, but I can see it happening.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Double post, sorry.

 

[Nekoo]

Damn Sakurai really impressed Sakurai huh?

Shhhhh- This is what happens after tournies morning and you're dead tired

 

[ROBnWatch]

Adding first-party characters wouldn't exactly add new crowds but instead keep people who are already fans of the game excited.

Isn’t this just about as big a deal as adding third parties? To keep the base crowd excited too?

In other words, why shouldn’t we have a second wave of DLC with both first and third party inclusions? It would draw in new crowds as well as have appeal to the core Smash fanbase.

You'd really be surprised at how businesses act man. It's not that easy most of the time, otherwise Spider-Man would still be in the MCU.

Off topic; but too soon.

 

[HyruleHero]

Sora supporters get REALLY defensive when it's pointed out how many issues Sora has.
We're not trying to argue why Sora SHOULDN'T be in Smash; we're arguing that he's got more hurdles than any other third party character other than maybe Kratos or Sony properties.
But our arguments get misrepresented as hate for Sora, and it's kind of annoying.

I personally am indifferent to Sora. But I support literally all characters just because I want to see people happy. I have no connection to characters like Isaac, but I support him ardently, because I know that people really like him.
Sora is the same to me, but he has so many issues that I see him as having almost 0% chance of getting in.

The main problem isn't that people make points and we misinterpretation it as hate on Sora the problem is people make points that aren't accurate then spread misinformation on Sora's likely hood. You're saying that Sora has more hurdles than any other third party character, that is objectively wrong. Currently in the smash roster Hero would of had the most amount of hurdles. For Nintendo to be able to use Sora the only company that needs to be talked to is Disney, which Nintendo have worked with in multiple occasions had appear to have a good relationship. Music wise Sora could have just as many tracks as Banjo as Yoko Shimomura is the composer of KH's soundtrack and is already helping with smash.

I realise I proved your point that Sora supporters get defensive but thats just because we can't stand all the misinformation spreading. Sora is just as likely as Geno, Crash, Doomguy and Ryu Hayabusa.

 

[M@R!3]

This is my biggest issue with Sora.
Even if all other hurdles are overcome, Sora still cannot be properly represented without Disney characters like Mickey and Donald.
Sure it's possible, but it wouldn't feel complete to have Sora stripped of Disney references.

I'm never going to understand this line of thinking. The only Disney reference that's really required design wise is the Mickey key chain on the hilt of the Kingdom Key. Sora doesn't need Donald and Goofy to be fully represented as a character.

Does he work together with them?
Yes.
Are they by his side throughout most of the games?
Yes.
Is his friendship with them an important aspect of who he is?
Yes.

But taking Donald and Goofy away doesn't suddenly rob Sora of his personality, and appeal.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

I'm curious I've speculated a lot on what characters and who might get in but what do you guys think of my list of possible characters that might make it in and some hope's and dreams of mine really lol
Travis Touchdown From Marvelous
Ryu Hayabusa From Tecmo
Jill or Leon From Capcom (although i don't see why both can't be skins for each other)
Lloyd From Namco
Tekken someone from that series don't know who
Sora From Disney or Squaresoft
Adol From Nihon Falcom
Shin Megami Tensei Protag From Atlus
Master Chief From Microsoft
Doomslayer Fron Id Software
Dante From Capcom
Crash From Activision
and some Echos like
Octoling, Black Shadow, Dixie, Ms.Pacman, Impa, Medusa, Zack, Jeanne
who are you guys betting on for dlc

 

[Cap'n Jack]

So the issue is the sheer number of parties involved in Final Fantasy content rather than SquareEnix themselves?

Pretty much

 

[SKX31]

Nintendo has been working with Tencent for quite a while on this matter iirc (Tencent also owns SNK now funny enough iirc) and considering I saw Chinese gamers protest a game's existence for looking too similar to BotW, I'm pretty sure it'll go well

Yea, Nquoid 's pretty much on point. But SNK's ownership situation is pretty weird - their owners are a joint venture. Leyou Technologies (based in Hong Kong), their subsidiary Ledo Millenium, and browser game maker 37 Games (37 invested into Ledo to allow the purchase of SNK. Another company, Oriental Securities seems to have done the same.). Tencent helps SNK out a lot with their mobile games though - helping to develop them and publish them on Chinese portals. Still I would not be surprised if Tencent helped SNK / their owners out during Terry's negotiations.

Isn’t this just about as big a deal as adding third parties? To keep the base crowd excited too?

In other words, why shouldn’t we have a second wave of DLC with both first and third party inclusions? It would draw in new crowds as well as have appeal to the core Smash fanbase.

I also think that's going to happen. Still, if I think new crowds, I think something like:

* FPS rep. Doomguy / Master Chief / Tracer etc. IMO the most likely to happen.
* Sandbox reps. Yes I'm counting Steve into this. Steve alone has a very strong chance.
* MOBA reps. League of Legends / Dota 2. I'm feeling that they're more likely than most here think. People might be caught off guard if LoL / Dota 2 (or their spin offs) appear on the Switch. They're also interesting since LoL is Tencent's only big-time viable option.
* BR rep. FortNite / PUBG / Apex Legends. Aside from La Resistance to them here (because they're the new hotness and all), I do believe that they'd be very difficult to translate into Smash successfully. Perhaps too difficult.
* Shoujo / games specifically aimed for girls / women. Style Savvy, and others of its kind. I'm feeling that they're also really underrated - considering that many millions of girls and women play games. Sure, a lot are mobile games, but mobile games should not be discounted because of how omnipresent they are and Nintendo's interest in the mobile sphere. I'm fully with KatKit on this one.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

I'm curious I've speculated a lot on what characters and who might get in but what do you guys think of my list of possible characters that might make it in and some hope's and dreams of mine really lol
Travis Touchdown From Marvelous
Ryu Hayabusa From Tecmo
Jill or Leon From Capcom (although i don't see why both can't be skins for each other)
Lloyd From Namco
Tekken someone from that series don't know who
Sora From Disney or Squaresoft
Adol From Nihon Falcom
Shin Megami Tensei Protag From Atlus
Master Chief From Microsoft
Doomslayer Fron Id Software
Dante From Capcom
Crash From Activision
and some Echos like
Octoling, Black Shadow, Dixie, Ms.Pacman, Impa, Medusa, Zack, Jeanne
who are you guys betting on for dlc

----Most of your picks----



----Lloyd----



----SMT Protag or Adol----

 

[Flyboy]

I'm not sure Style Savvy has any kind of chance but that series is still my most-wanted first party. The aesthetic alone would be so fresh and I'm fond of non-fighting fighters.

Lets not forget my favorite Smash Fan Meme...."Character is Unlikely and will never happen!" -Character gets in- "Well, you know, that character is so obvious and has always been likely..I mean, who else would they pick for that series/company?"

Smash fans: we want a retro character with Nintendo presence so their series can get a boost!

[Terry Bogard, a character from the SNES-era with a big Nintendo presence has a trailer that was entirely retro and showed off his history, and because of this his series and company are already getting more attention, gets in]

Smash fans: not you

 

[osby]

Isn’t this just about as big a deal as adding third parties? To keep the base crowd excited too?

In other words, why shouldn’t we have a second wave of DLC with both first and third party inclusions? It would draw in new crowds as well as have appeal to the core Smash fanbase.

We literally just got Banjo-Kazooie aka a third party character who almost exclusively appeals to core Smash fanbase.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

----Most of your picks----



----Lloyd----



----SMT Protag or Adol----

i don't get what ya mean there on these 3 do you like them? or there not likely

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

i don't get what ya mean there on these 3 do you like them? or there not likely

Descending likelihood.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Descending likelihood.

ah okay i didn't understand what ya meant so thanks for clearing that up but hey i didn't think joker could happen so there's hope for those 3 yet