Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SpectreJordan]

I was thinking about it & here’s the characters I think are the most likely for the future.

Spoiler: Likely Characters

Rex - He won’t be in Fighter Pass 1, but I feel he’s the most likely for the new DLC. He’s one of the most fan requested Nintendo characters. Sakurai is a fan of his game; even adding the Mii costume to apologize for not being able to represent the game at the time. Nintendo would want to shill some extra shills for Xenoblade 2 & draw attention to the series finale for the remake of the first game.

Ryu Hayabusa - With the surprise addition of Terry/SNK, it seems to me that Sakurai wants every major Japanese developer* to have a character in Smash. Tecmo is definitely next & Ryu is the obvious addition. An icon of the NES era as well as a major player in the modern action genre. Ryu has quite the history & deserves a place in Smash.

Geno - With Sakurai mentioning that he wants to keep pleasing the fans, Geno is an obvious addition. He’s the fourth member of the “Never ever” crew, the other three are already in. There’s also the strange removal of two Mario RPG songs off of YouTube similar to fan remixes of Banjo music & Megalovania a while ago. Hmm...

Doom Slayer - Bethesda’s been awfully supportive of the Switch, especially when it comes to the Doom franchise. Every Doom game will be available on Switch later this year. There’s also Pete Hines recording a special video for the Direct, which doesn’t happen too often with third parties. Doom is a landmark franchise in the history of gaming in several ways; Sakurai clearly knows this as he’s mentioned Carmack as a notable gaming dev. Doom Slayer in Smash would easily be a deserved spot. The character is also one of the most requested characters now. I think this could be another bone thrown towards the West’s way like Banjo was.

Resident Evil - Sakurai really seems like he wants Smash to represent the history of Japanese gaming. Resident Evil is perhaps the biggest piece missing from that picture currently. The series is the highest selling Japanese IP not in Smash yet. The entire horror genre basically owes its existence to this series. Not only does this series have one highly iconic & industry changing game (the original), but two (Resident Evil 4)! The only other series I can think of in the same position are Mario & Zelda. I think we’d see a Bowser Jr/Hero situation where we get 4 characters in one slot; Jill, Chris, Leon & Claire. Sure the modern games make these four characters all feel different from each other, but the original games had them feel close enough where this could work. Each character could represent the 4 biggest games in the series: Jill (RE1), Claire (RE2), Leon (RE4) & Chris (RE5).

Sora - Sora is probably the most requested character for Smash now; Sakurai seems to be trying to cross out all of the big fan requests. Kingdom Hearts is one of the most popular Japanese (sort of) series not in Smash yet. The series also changed the JRPG genre in big ways. Sure Disney might be a problem, but I feel they’d play fair here; they seem to let the Kingdom Hearts franchise do whatever it wants & it’s not one of their precious babies with a movie franchise, so they wouldn’t be as money grabbing as they are with Star Wars & Marvel Games. It’d also be fitting for Smash to be gaming’s biggest crossover & to include the character who’s whole gimmick is crossing over.

Frisk - I’m a bit torn on this since the Sans Mii costume/song could be it for Undertale representation. But it could also be just the beginning. If they felt like that was good enough, they may be changing their mind after all of the hype from Sans. Sans has to easily be the best selling Mii costume ever, so the next logical step to make more money would be to include an Undertale Fighter. It helps that Sakurai & Toby seem to be buddies now.

More reps for other notable Japanese developers - Like I said, I think one of Sakurai’s goals is to represent Japanese gaming as best as possible. So I think more “surprise” picks like Terry are possible. If Tecmo gets a rep, the only others I can think of are ArcSys (Sol Badguy?) & the Japanese indie scene (Reimu or Quote). Though I may be forgetting a company, so feel free to tell me.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

Nothing better to wake up to than being insulted for a valid opinion of mine. I always appreciate it.

"Hurr-durr how dare you refute my points, I'll take this as a personal attack". Chill.

The games can be compared to one another because they’re, you know, in the same series, and as such ought to be somewhat similar to another.

The tonal shift in XC2 is part of the reason people criticize it because it’s so drastically different. While XC1 certainly has lighthearted moments, for the most part it’s consistent.

Again, missing the entire point, just because 2 games are from the same franchise doesn't mean the tone of both games has to be exactly the same. Heck, they're not even sequels, they just so happen to share some elements as most JRPGs do.

The scene with Tora takes place when Nia is literally imprisoned and about to be executed. That plot point ought to be treated with a bit of respect instead of having a shameless fan service scene shoved into the middle of that sequence.

Nice cherry picking. If you want to be that way, I could go and say that that only the very beginning of the game is the only part where the tone is more lighthearted but you do you. Now, will we judge the entire game because of a few "flaws" some people might find in the tone in the earlier parts of the game or should we judge it as a whole? The answer is quite obvious if you ask me. It's still subjective enough to not be considered a glaring issue for the game's overall quality.

I’ll concede slightly on the core crystal scene, but the fact of the matter is that the designs in XC2 contribute to that scene being taken so out of context.

Irrelevant, nothing wrong with the designs.

It really doesn’t help anything, nor do the surprisingly large amount of fan service shots or jiggle physics.

Except, nowhere in the game we see such things? Inb4 "M-muh generic hotspring scene" where you don't see absolutely anything in the slightest. Furthermore completely misses the point, due to cultural differences, that those kind of places are made for trust and bonding between friends, coworkers and the like not for sex appeal. The rest of the game doesn't have any ass shots or focus on boobies that the first game didn't have either, and yet, there's nothing bad about it if there were some.

I don’t really know what you’re talking about with XC1 since from the mechon attack to Prison Island we have Sharla, Dunban, Riki, and Melia all introduced and given backstories and development, alongside Shulk running into Alvis and progressively unlocking more of the Monado’s power. Comparatively, as you stated, nothing happens between Rex fighting Malos and Mythra’s awakening, which takes anywhere from 10-30 hours. Why should anyone have to slog through that?

I don't really know what you're talking about, since from Malos' fight to Mythra's awakening we have, Nia, Dromarch, Tora, Poppi, Morag and Brigid all introduced and given backstories and development, alongside foreshadowing of Pyra's true power origins as we progressively learn what exactly are the Blade race. Comparatively, as you stated, nothing happens between mechon attack and prison island, which takes anywhere from 10-30 hours. Why should anyone have to slog through that?

Wait! Hold on, except all you just said are blatant lies sugarcoated and buzzwords like development and backstories without a single piece of evidence to back it up to add "depth" to your argument with some minor events like I just did (if it wasn't obvious enough). Excuse me, in what world did we get backstories or character development for Sharla, Melia, Riki as early as prison island, did you even play the game?

The style in XCD is anime inspired, but there’s also a sense of realism to it, compared to XC2 which is literally just anime.

All Xenoblade games dwindle between realism and anime features, as you can tell it doesn't look neither like games like the witcher nor Tales of, and yes, this includes XC2.

Don’t get me wrong, if you like anime games, power to you. It’s just that Xenoblade Chronicles is more like a Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, where it can be enjoyed even by non-anime fans, whereas Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is more like Sword Art Online where ONLY anime fans will really like it. And even then it consistently face dives into the harem, wish-fulfillment side of anime, thus turning off even anime fans. I’m not going to think less of you if you like it, but 9/10 times FMA is just better than SAO. It’s the same with XC1 and XC2.

Now you're literally comparing two completely unrelated stories with one another, claiming one is better than the other because it appeals to a wider more mainstream audience and bashing one because it's tropey while completely ignoring and giving more weight to its flaws than its strengths (again, as you did with Xenoblade which tells me that's how you usually discuss about topics) and you actually feel proud about that whole sentence. Ok then.

Why don't you just say you dislike japanese looking games from japanese companies and we can end this nonsense you're spouting quicker? Which strikes me as odd since you have Sora of all people as your avatar, one of the most weeb looking japanese games conceived.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

That's why I think the protags from Astral Chain are extremely likely
Good moveset potential + new series + nintendo/Platinum IP
I'd rather have a new IP than an 8th Fire Emblem character lmao and I like 3H btw

Yeah, I just think Fire Emblem gets absolute bottom priority of new DLC "advertisement" fighters in Smash as this point. Why go through the trouble of pissing off the fan base with one advertising pick of an already heavily represented franchise, when you can either take the Xenoblade route (which does have a ton of fan support) or something entirely new like Astral Chain (though, I'm not really confident Astral Chain fits what Sakurai is going for either entirely, but I see it as having a better chance of getting in than a Three Houses rep). Plus, there's a new Pokemon generation on the horizon and we know Pokemon has considerably more sway over Smash Bros. than Fire Emblem. Yes, Fire Emblem exploded with Heroes recently, but that's arguably all the more reason to not include more characters in Smash. Many of the most popular lords are already in Smash and can pull the existing fan base of Heroes potentially towards Smash as is, the series doesn't need that type of exposure and may actually suffer more from the negative press on another character in the grand scheme of things.

A big reason we got Corrin was that there was just legitimately so little releasing on the Wii U/3DS at that point in time, and they just happened to have more moveset viability than other contenders. This time around? There's no shortage of important and moveset inspiring Nintendo characters flying on to Nintendo consoles in the the next couple of years and recently.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I actually think it would be important to look at other fighting games' DLC seasons and notice how they're not all the same. IE:

Street Fighter V: Season 1 is all vets, 2 is all newcomers minus Akuma, 3 is a mix
Tekken 7: Season 1 is a minigame and 2 guest stars, 2 is 5 vets and 1 guest, 3 just has 1 vet and one brand-new character so far.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why don't you just say you dislike japanese looking games from japanese companies and we can end this nonsense you're spouting quicker? Which strikes me as odd since you have Sora of all people as your avatar, one of the most weeb looking japanese games conceived.

My dude you're talking to a guy who ****ing adores JRPGs there. He's a KH fan, Tales fan, Persona fan, etc. Have you considered the possibility that he, a JRPG fan, genuinely didn't like this one JRPG in particular for one reason or another?

 

[MorbidMiraj]

I get that Three Houses and Astral Chain just came out and people are riding high on those fresh releases, but I'd like Smash to have a more varied roster of old and new reps, instead of just going for the very latest popular anime-style releases. Plus, we have so many Fire Emblem reps, there's plenty of other franchises to explore.

I'm pretty sure the 5th Fighter's Pass character will be Geno. I saw some reports about specific Mario RPG tracks on youtube have been taken down by Nintendo, and that seems to indicate they're using them for Smash. Sakurai is well aware people have been asking for him for many years.

For the second round of DLC, I hope they go for an all-female roster of longtime fan requests. Something like:

Dixie Kong (the final DK rep, seriously where is she?)
Krystal (was the top female request for Brawl, the last major Star Fox rep, and my personal favorite)
Twintelle (a more famous ARMs rep than Springman, also a POC which Smash is sorely lacking in)
Impa (while I personally adore Midna, Impa is the last major missing Zelda rep)
Pyra/Mythra (with Rex of course, and we know Sakurai loves Xeno games)

If they insist on only third party reps again, I'd love to see:

Klonoa (Namco co-develops Smash, so they deserve more love, plus Klonoa games have mostly been Nintendo exclusives)
Shantae (Her games were exclusive to Nintendo for almost 2 decades, she deserves it more than Shovel Knight or Sans imo)
Sora (while not a KH fan, I know it's a beloved series and it'd be neat to see how they'd incorporate him)
Kat (Gravity Rush is a Sony IP, but if Microsoft allowed Banjo, who knows. Plus, her gravity tricks were already tested in PSABR)
Crash Bandicoot (I doubt they'd get both Crash and Spyro, and Crash is really popular in Japan, and another oldschool mascot)

 

[Flik]

(blue haired sword wielder, avatar character, Belmonts already have whips).

I haven't played Three Houses yet, but I don't get how Byleth's Whipsword would be anything like Simon/Richter's. A sword that can turn into a bladed whip would be very different than a ball & chain that can act like a whip sometimes.

And isn't Byleth's hair green? It looks nothing like Marth, Ike, Chrom or Lucina.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I haven't played Three Houses yet, but I don't get how Byleth's Whipsword would be anything like Simon/Richter's. A sword that can turn into a bladed whip would be very different than a ball & chain that can act like a whip sometimes.

And isn't Byleth's hair green? It looks nothing like Marth, Ike, Chrom or Lucina.

The hair changes about halfway through the story

I get that Three Houses and Astral Chain just came out and people are riding high on those fresh releases, but I'd like Smash to have a more varied roster of old and new reps, instead of just going for the very latest popular anime-style releases. Plus, we have so many Fire Emblem reps, there's plenty of other franchises to explore.

I'm pretty sure the 5th Fighter's Pass character will be Geno. I saw some reports about specific Mario RPG tracks on youtube have been taken down by Nintendo, and that seems to indicate they're using them for Smash. Sakurai is well aware people have been asking for him for many years.

For the second round of DLC, I hope they go for an all-female roster of longtime fan requests. Something like:

Dixie Kong (the final DK rep, seriously where is she?)
Krystal (was the top female request for Brawl, the last major Star Fox rep, and my personal favorite)
Twintelle (a more famous ARMs rep than Springman, also a POC which Smash is sorely lacking in)
Impa (while I personally adore Midna, Impa is the last major missing Zelda rep)
Pyra/Mythra (with Rex of course, and we know Sakurai loves Xeno games)

If they insist on only third party reps again, I'd love to see:

Klonoa (Namco co-develops Smash, so they deserve more love, plus Klonoa games have mostly been Nintendo exclusives)
Shantae (Her games were exclusive to Nintendo for almost 2 decades, she deserves it more than Shovel Knight or Sans imo)
Sora (while not a KH fan, I know it's a beloved series and it'd be neat to see how they'd incorporate him)
Kat (Gravity Rush is a Sony IP, but if Microsoft allowed Banjo, who knows. Plus, her gravity tricks were already tested in PSABR)
Crash Bandicoot (I doubt they'd get both Crash and Spyro, and Crash is really popular in Japan, and another oldschool mascot)

If you consider 'humans made by a Japanese company' anime-style releases then I'm pretty sure that's on you.

Also fyi Youtube takes down ANYTHING without checking for it, it's an incredibly easy system to exploit and Nintendo saw it say Smash Remix which is why they took it down iirc. It's so abusable that Warner Bros took down a trailer because of copyright... Of a movie they didn't own, so that it wouldn't get attention compared to WB's movies

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

And isn't Byleth's hair green?

I believe the color is more of a slate blue.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

My dude you're talking to a guy who ****ing adores JRPGs there. He's a KH fan, Tales fan, Persona fan, etc. Have you considered the possibility that he, a JRPG fan, genuinely didn't like this one JRPG in particular for one reason or another?

Calm down with the swearing, what are you, 14? And no, how would I know. Nothing wrong with him not liking it, but calling it generic anime trash when he likes JRPGs is ironic at best.

 

[Dark Bagel]

While I'm eager to see what other potential 1st party picks Nintendo can include after the fighters pass, such as Edelgard, I'd personally prefer if they primarily focused on adding more third party fighters for the remainder of Ultimate's DLC cycle. The reason being that as Sakurai pointed out, this is probably the only opportunity him, or ANY game developer, has to tie this many varied characters from different companies and franchises together all under one game. While the next smash title always has the chance to bring another rep from a new or existing Nintendo IP alongside a never-before seen third party character, the sheer magnitude of having this many series outside of Nintendo play nice with each other all at the same time is probably not going to happen again for a VERY long while.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Calm down with the swearing, what are you, 14? And no, how would I know. Nothing wrong with him not liking it, but calling it generic anime trash when he likes JRPGs is ironic at best.

It's a cultural thing. Guess **** like Angry Scottish Pokemon Trainer disgusts you if you think only 14 year olds swear.

Xenoblade 2 has a LOT of harem anime bull**** in it and you know it. Lots of other JRPGs do not. Therefore Ponycorn simply must not like the "haha whoops every woman finds me, the most generic shouty dude, incredibly attractive! All because I touched their boobs on accident and look over there, a friend of mine is lusting over a child! Teehee what whacky situatuons will we find ourselves in next time?" Thing XB2 has that isn't shared with most JRPGs

 

[Koopaul]

If there's an ARMS character it has to be Spring Man. Sorry but he represents the series better than any character could. He litterally is "ARMS the character". Anyone who isn't familiar with the series can look at Spring Man and instantly know what his game is all about:

"Oh that guy? He looks like a boxer with really long stretchy arms. Is the game about punching people with long stretchy arms?" Why yes! Yes it is! If you were to show someone Ninjara or Mechanica, they might not know exactly the genre of the game. Spring Man is a more simple and basic character compared to the other ARMS fighters but this is done on purpose. He's the everyman. The Mr. ARMS. It would be foolish to put anyone else in there before him.

EDIT: I suppose Max Brass' design also invokes a sense of what the game is all about too.

 

[Flyboy]

Calm down with the swearing, what are you, 14? And no, how would I know. Nothing wrong with him not liking it, but calling it generic anime trash when he likes JRPGs is ironic at best.

Daybreak has opinions and the experience to back them up. Play a good game. Can I interest you in Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille Zur Macht?

 

[MorbidMiraj]

The hair changes about halfway through the story

If you consider 'humans made by a Japanese company' anime-style releases then I'm pretty sure that's on you.

Did I say "humans made by a Japanese company" anime-style releases? I said "instead of just going for the very latest popular anime-style releases". Games like Fire Emblem and Astral Chain go for a very specific style of anime appeal. Take another look at the list I suggested. It has Twintelle, Sora, Kat... those are humans made by a Japanese company, too, but I'd argue they're more varied in style, and represent a wider style of games and genres.

 

[Deleted member]

Ryu Hayabusa - With the surprise addition of Terry/SNK, it seems to me that Sakurai wants every major Japanese developer* to have a character in Smash. Tecmo is definitely next & Ryu is the obvious addition. An icon of the NES era as well as a major player in the modern action genre. Ryu has quite the history & deserves a place in Smash.

If Hayabusa comes with a Tecmo Bowl Mii Brawler outfit, I'll buy that in a heartbeat.

More reps for other notable Japanese developers - Like I said, I think one of Sakurai’s goals is to represent Japanese gaming as best as possible. So I think more “surprise” picks like Terry are possible. If Tecmo gets a rep, the only others I can think of are ArcSys (Sol Badguy?) & the Japanese indie scene (Reimu or Quote). Though I may be forgetting a company, so feel free to tell me.

I wouldn't sleep on Koei even if Tecmo were to get a rep in smash. It may sound unlikely that Koei-Tecmo would get 2 characters in Ultimate with Ryu Hayabusa and a character from 1 of Koei's games, but with more DLC characters being developed past the Fighter Pass, it might actually be possible and willl be like how Cloud represents Squaresoft while Hero represents Enix.

Other than that, I don't know much of ArcSys' games but Sol Badguy looks pretty cool, so I wouldn't mind him.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

I'm going to predict the following characters that are not assist trophies or/and spirits.
I'll list 10 of them; 5 are Nintendo, 5 are 3rd parties.

Nintendo:
Sylux
Edelgard, Dimitri, or Claude from Three Houses
Grookey's final evolution
Akira from Astral Chain
and Mike from StarTropics

3rd party:
Doom Slayer
Sora
Jibanyan
Scorpion
and Crash Bandicoot

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Did I say "humans made by a Japanese company" anime-style releases? I said "instead of just going for the very latest popular anime-style releases". Games like Fire Emblem and Astral Chain go for a very specific style of anime appeal. Take another look at the list I suggested. It has Twintelle, Sora, Kat... those are humans made by a Japanese company, too, but I'd argue they're more varied in style, and represent a wider style of games and genres.

ARMS is just typical Nintendo EAD stuff, Fire Emblem and Astral Chain have wildly different artstyles and to claim they're similar is rather dishonest

 

[Oniric Spriter]

Daybreak has opinions and the experience to back them up. Play a good game. Can I interest you in Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille Zur Macht?

Your tone implies it's not a good, besides, I've played all of Takahashi's works already, a good chunk of RPGs like Nier Automata, Persona, Valkyria Chronicles, Fire Emblem. I still think XC2 is top-notch.

It's a cultural thing. Guess **** like Angry Scottish Pokemon Trainer disgusts you if you think only 14 year olds swear.

Xenoblade 2 has a LOT of harem anime bull**** in it and you know it. Lots of other JRPGs do not. Therefore Ponycorn simply must not like the "haha whoops every woman finds me, the most generic shouty dude, incredibly attractive! All because I touched their boobs on accident and look over there, a friend of mine is lusting over a child! Teehee what whacky situatuons will we find ourselves in next time?" Thing XB2 has that isn't shared with most JRPGs

 

[MorbidMiraj]

ARMS is just typical Nintendo EAD stuff, Fire Emblem and Astral Chain have wildly different artstyles and to claim they're similar is rather dishonest

ARMs is typical Nintendo EAD, while anime RPG and anime action game styles are wildly different? Oookay. If you saw my list, I also mentioned Pyra/Mythra in there as reps I'd like to see, but I guess they don't count because I suggested I didn't want FE3H/Astral Chain reps. In any case, we're arguing over minute details. We can just acknowledge we disagree on what we consider similar art styles and move on.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Speculation Community: "There are going to be more characters! That means so many more characters are on the table!"
Also Speculation Community: *Argues about artstyles, iconicness, and whether or not Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is a good game*

 

[EricTheGamerman]

If there's an ARMS character it has to be Spring Man. Sorry but he represents the series better than any character could. He litterally is "ARMS the character". Anyone who isn't familiar with the series can look at Spring Man and instantly know what his game is all about:

"Oh that guy? He looks like a boxer with really long stretchy arms. Is the game about punching people with long stretchy arms?" Why yes! Yes it is! If you were to show someone Ninjara or Mechanica, they might not know exactly the genre of the game. Spring Man is a more simple and basic character compared to the other ARMS fighters but this is done on purpose. He's the everyman. The Mr. ARMS. It would be foolish to put anyone else in there before him.

EDIT: I suppose Max Brass' design also invokes a sense of what the game is all about too.

I can't really agree with this line of thinking on ARMS. It has only one single release out right now, so it's not inherently like Spring Man has had any actual time to become a standing mascot of the series and more importantly, most of the fans generally dislike him and prefer other characters by a wide margin. To a point where I'm pretty sure he will no longer be the poster child of the series moving forward and a different character like Twintelle may be the character on the box of an ARMS 2. It's also not like ARMS has a ton of overarching narrative that makes Spring Man more important than the rest. They all have super long, extending attributes with boxing gloves/fists in the game, so they all could appear as representatives of ARMS to the common person.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

ARMs is typical Nintendo EAD, while anime RPG and anime action game styles are wildly different? Oookay. If you saw my list, I also mentioned Pyra/Mythra in there as reps I'd like to see, but I guess they don't count because I suggested I didn't want FE3H/Astral Chain reps. In any case, we're arguing over minute details. We can just acknowledge we disagree on what we consider similar art styles and move on.

What I mean is that Mario, Inkling and Spring Man would look like they're from the franchise to me, I admittedly missed the Blade 2 characters as I skimmed a bit too much

 

[Wunderwaft]

Regardless of whether you like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 or not, it's quite clear that Sakurai adores the game and he was very regretful that he couldn't add Rex in the base roster. If another Xenoblade character is to be added in wave 2 of DLC it will no doubt be Rex, no questions about it.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I can't really agree with this line of thinking on ARMS. It has only one single release out right now, so it's not inherently like Spring Man has had any actual time to become a standing mascot of the series and more importantly, most of the fans generally dislike him and prefer other characters by a wide margin. To a point where I'm pretty sure he will no longer be the poster child of the series moving forward and a different character like Twintelle may be the character on the box of an ARMS 2. It's also not like ARMS has a ton of overarching narrative that makes Spring Man more important than the rest. They all have super long, extending attributes with boxing gloves/fists in the game, so they all could appear as representatives of ARMS to the common person.

I highly doubt they'd drop Spring Man as the mascot. He's the most boring character sure but such is the life of a character built to teach the rules of the game. He can't have any flashy gimmicks that force the player to manage anything that they wouldn't have to for any other character. And just like similar characters like Ryu and Mario he has a clone character that is essentially just the base character turned up to 11 in the form of Springtron (and Max Brass to a lesser extent).

Personally I think ARMS needs to get both Spring Man and Ribbon Girl at the same time. Spring Man is the basic one that shows you how ARMS works, and Ribbon Girl shows you how interesting it can be with her multiple jumps, quick drops, and paralyzing Sparky ARMS.

EDIT: And it's not like Spring Man would be boring. He and Ribbon Girl (assuming they pick those two) would have more reach than the sword characters on most of their attacks. They could even make the normal attack be right punch, special attack be left punch, and their only special attacks would be ARMS change (which is triggered by pressing down and attack). They'd be forced to recover with either their jumps or by tethering with their grab. Not sure if they would do it that way but it is an option that would make them interesting beyond their reach without over-complicating them with the all of the different ARM properties.

 

[Dark Bagel]

In an effort to break up the Xenoblade argument, I'm making an urgent international announcement that Rex & Pyra are the official anime character adaptations of Banjo & Kazooie.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

In an effort to break up the Xenoblade argument, I'm making an urgent international announcement that Rex & Pyra are the official anime character adaptations of Banjo & Kazooie.

Woah that's a big departure. I shudder to thing about what the Netflix adaptation will look like.

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

Woah that's a big departure. I shudder to thing about what the Netflix adaptation will look like.

I don't even want to think of a Netflix adaption of that game would be like.

 

[Ben Holt]

I feel so bad for Sora supporters.
He's about as likely as Wreck-It Ralph.
Ralph technically first appeared in a promotional video game for the movie, so he's technically a video game character.
But he's a Disney property first and foremost.
Sora is in the exact same boat.

I'll happily admit I'm wrong if the time ever comes. After all, I counted Banjo out for Smash 4 for being a Microsoft property, but then Phil Spencer spoke out.
But until Disney speaks out similarly, I see Sora as completely impossible.

 

[Dark Bagel]

Eh, I just think people need to learn the difference between "antagonist" and "villain". Like, would you really call Sans a villain because he's the antagonist of Undertale's Genocide run? I don't know about you, but I don't see how wanting to stop a mass murderer is in any way villanous. Edelgard kind of fits into that category, though she's a lot more morally grey. Although she's an antagonist for every run besides her own, there's nothing particularly evil about her motivations. Yeah her methods of reaching those goals might be questionable, but I can't bring myself to call her a straight-up villain. Basically, not all antagonists are evil and it's pretty useless to lump someone like Edelgard into the villain category.

You're kinda reminding me of Mustafa and Yen'fay from FE Awakening... and now you've gone and made me sad.

 

[Impa4Smash]

I feel so bad for Sora supporters.
He's about as likely as Wreck-It Ralph.
Ralph technically first appeared in a promotional video game for the movie, so he's technically a video game character.
But he's a Disney property first and foremost.
Sora is in the exact same boat.

I'll happily admit I'm wrong if the time ever comes. After all, I counted Banjo out for Smash 4 for being a Microsoft property, but then Phil Spencer spoke out.
But until Disney speaks out similarly, I see Sora as completely impossible.

You're gonna get some replies.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Eh, I just think people need to learn the difference between "antagonist" and "villain".

I don't really care what the difference is. Villains, antagonists, rivals, frenemies. Smash needs more of all of them.

If Hayabusa comes with a Tecmo Bowl Mii Brawler outfit, I'll buy that in a heartbeat.

Hell yes. I could check TWO off the list!

Other than that, I don't know much of ArcSys' games but Sol Badguy looks pretty cool, so I wouldn't mind him.

Kunio-kun!

 

[Animegamingnerd]

In an effort to break up the Xenoblade argument, I'm making an urgent international announcement that Rex & Pyra are the official anime character adaptations of Banjo & Kazooie.

This is the greatest thing I have read on this forum.

 

[Aetheri]

In an effort to break up the Xenoblade argument, I'm making an urgent international announcement that Rex & Pyra are the official anime character adaptations of Banjo & Kazooie.

Wrong...Pyra is waaay too nice to be Kazooie.


Mythra on the other hand

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I feel so bad for Sora supporters.
He's about as likely as Wreck-It Ralph.
Ralph technically first appeared in a promotional video game for the movie, so he's technically a video game character.
But he's a Disney property first and foremost.
Sora is in the exact same boat.

I'll happily admit I'm wrong if the time ever comes. After all, I counted Banjo out for Smash 4 for being a Microsoft property, but then Phil Spencer spoke out.
But until Disney speaks out similarly, I see Sora as completely impossible.

I mean, Wreck-It Ralph appeared in Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing as a playable character (for... some reason), so sure, that comparisons works in the sense that a character can be loaned in an unlikely crossover moment haha. Sora is also a video game character whereas Ralph is a movie character (in their respective origins), so we know Ralph has a zero percent chance to get in whereas Sora actually has a chance (and a halfway decent one from the strong fan support and continued importance of Kingdom Hearts on a larger scale even if III was not particularly great to a lot of people).

 

[Ben Holt]

You're gonna get some replies.

Oh lord, I know it.
It's controversial, but accurate.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

I wonder what the reaction would be if Season 2 was basically just Nintendo characters from the Switch era? Such as

Rex/Pyra

Spring Man

Akira Howard

Byleth

Pokemon from Sword and Shield

 

[TriggerX]

I feel so bad for Sora supporters.
He's about as likely as Wreck-It Ralph.
Ralph technically first appeared in a promotional video game for the movie, so he's technically a video game character.
But he's a Disney property first and foremost.
Sora is in the exact same boat.

I'll happily admit I'm wrong if the time ever comes. After all, I counted Banjo out for Smash 4 for being a Microsoft property, but then Phil Spencer spoke out.
But until Disney speaks out similarly, I see Sora as completely impossible.

Idk I’m more surprised Cloud is in smash bros still.

Everyone seems to think there’s some kind of yellow tape around Sora when in reality he’s from a company that is a non competitor. But at the end of the day it’s just another company to do business with.

While Disney has a game development division , it’s not structured for any kind of AAA game development. This is why they hand off most of their franchises to companies like Square and EA. So from that perspective Disney has no problem giving control of their own characters to Video game publishers/developers. I doubt they’d be stingy with a character that doesn’t see much promotion from their side.

Furthermore, I doubt Disney has any major hesitance with working with Nintendo, who they share similar core values with. The only reason we don’t see more Disney franchises being developed by Nintendo developers is because they probably lack the experience to develop for other systems.

As far as a creative guide goes, Tetsuya Nomura is already on board, so unless working with him again was an absolute drag, I’m sure he’d be down to give his input.

Lastly, it’s hard to compare Sora with Wreck it Ralph. Despite WIR originating from a game, at this point he is probably more recognized through his movies. Sora isn’t in the same boat at all, he’s a video game character only.

Besides if we applied your logic to other notable characters throughout gaming history, Scorpion would be impossible. Although he is iconic, but he is owned by a division under Warner Bros. And has appeared in multiple movies. So essentially impossible to get in.Or Rampage for that matter.

And personally Id love to see a Rampage Assist Trophy, it was a dope game.

 

[Wunderwaft]

In regards to a possible third SE rep it all comes down to either Sora or Geno in my opinion. For the life of me I can't decide which one is likelier than the other, because both characters are held back by limitations beyond just SE. Geno has his problems with relevancy and being dormant for so long, and Sora has problems of being owned by Disney. Banjo getting in proved that fan demand can definitely triumph over relevancy even if you're owned by another company, so Geno could very well get in if SE actually allows it. Likewise, as long as Disney doesn't act completely dumb or greedy then Sora could get in.

I have no horse in this race so I care not for who gets in, but I'm curious in the arguments that you all can make for these two. Which one do you think is likelier to make it in the second wave of DLC?

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Remember everyone, Nintendo has gotten licenses from Disney before. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 was published by Nintendo and I imagine the cost of licensing Sora is penny's compare to getting the Marvel license.