Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Cutie Gwen]

Considering this is Smash, I'd say their opinion matters more than FE fans opinions.

I have enough FE protags in Smash to last me a lifetime. Give me a villain or don't even bother.

Well considering people who can't read/picked Blue Lions keep saying Edelgard is a villain...

 

[Deleted member]

Me: "Edelgard is not a villain"
Smash fan: "Ugh I just want more villains"
Also me: "Oh haven't you heard?"

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Byleth has a whipsword. Therefore Byleth is the best.

 

[TheYungLink]

I'm still holding out for a Link to the Past styled Ganon as a Zelda newcomer someday. They're the last big Nintendo villain left, not that I wouldn't be surprised if they never made the cut because Ganondorf is already in the game.

 

[Creamfrazzz]

I think Akira Howard from astral chain would be an interesting original Nintendo character for the smash roster. The game is selling really well so far. It would give Nintendo the opportunity to push an RPG that's not fire emblem. The character could have a female and male alternates and the move set would be extremely unique and would definitely stand out.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think Akira Howard from astral chain would be an interesting original Nintendo character for the smash roster. The game is selling really well so far. It would give Nintendo the opportunity to push an RPG that's not fire emblem. The character could have a female and male alternates and the move set would be extremely unique and would definitely stand out.

How the hell is a character action game an RPG

 

[DarthEnderX]

Me: "Edelgard is not a villain"
Smash fan: "Ugh I just want more villains"
Also me: "Oh haven't you heard?"

LOL!

How the hell is a character action game an RPG

I dunno, ask modern Final Fastasy developers...

 

[Creamfrazzz]

How the hell is a character action game an RPG

Your right I goofed but regardless the moveset potential is intriguing to say the least

 

[Flik]

"Moon Over the Castle" just started to play in my playlist. Here's a song we will never hear in Smash...

 

[Deleted member]

I seriously hope we're not getting more Fire Emblem.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Your right I goofed but regardless the moveset potential is intriguing to say the least

I mean, moveset potential is just a big ass buzzword but yeah Stand Cop kinda would be a puppeteer character like Rosalina only probably handled better due to Legions not being small stubby ****s

 

[Icedragonadam]

Considering that this is the opportunity to put in so many guests right now I still think even the additional characters will all be 3rd party as well. Sakurai is clearly enjoying putting in so many new series as possible as he said himself so the train isn't stopping ay time soon.

And this will make the cuts in 6 so much worse as Nintendo clearly can't get all of the 20+ 3rd party licenses back for the next game.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I seriously hope we're not getting more Fire Emblem.

Why? Fire Emblem is easily one of Nintendo's most prominent series now, falling only below their largest series like Mario, LoZ, and Pokémon.

I get the whole "blue haired swordfighters bad" argument, but it's bunk, especially since Fire Emblem fighters could bring so much to the series (see: Edelgard, or even Byleth).

 

[Deleted member]

I find a Three Houses rep likely.

Who could it be? I don’t know because I haven’t played Three Houses and due to that lack the knowledge to consider any concrete pick.

But with the huge success both critically and financially of Three Houses and the idea of the non-Fighter Pass DLC still being decided it wouldn’t shock me to see someone from that game happening.

I would not complain doh, since maybe a Three Houses rep does manage to motivate me into trying Three Houses as Terry did inspire me to give KoF a chance.

 

[Ridrool64]

Byleth has the same issue Corrin had of failing to be that distinct from the rest of the Emblemeers. However, Corrin was a disaster that only had the perfect issue of not being the fan favorites the whole community was begging for from the ballot, and also coming from a highly controversial game that hadn't even gotten a western release yet. Most of Corrin's haters have never played their game... but to be honest, most of Corrin's fans haven't played Fates as well.

Byleth and Edelgard have neither of those big issues. Three Houses is mostly beloved, and fan favorites are a dime a dozen recently across Japan, the United States, and even other regions such as Latin America. So, I don't consider them off limits, and they would not be nearly as poorly-recieved as Corrin was. People seem to forget the context behind Corrin.

Also neither of them would play like Marth, but only Edelgard doesn't resemble Marth in terms of structure, personality, or weapon choice.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Byleth has the same issue Corrin had of failing to be that distinct from the rest of the Emblemeers. However, Corrin was a disaster that only had the perfect issue of not being the fan favorites the whole community was begging for from the ballot, and also coming from a highly controversial game that hadn't even gotten a western release yet. Most of Corrin's haters have never played their game... but to be honest, most of Corrin's fans haven't played Fates as well.

Byleth and Edelgard have neither of those big issues. Three Houses is mostly beloved, and fan favorites are a dime a dozen recently across Japan, the United States, and even other regions such as Latin America. So, I don't consider them off limits, and they would not be nearly as poorly-recieved as Corrin was. People seem to forget the context behind Corrin.

Also neither of them would play like Marth, but only Edelgard doesn't resemble Marth in terms of structure, personality, or weapon choice.

I'm sure all 14 fans were part of the sales as Fates was the best selling game at the time

 

[YoshiandToad]

to get off topic from Xenoblade, I got Another interesting question?
Who do you think is the least fitting character to be in smash(requested/not requested video game characters that do not fit in smash bros at all)?
Mine's is a Call of duty/Battlefield Character.

Leisure Suit Larry. A character who has no fighting skill and who's game is about trying to get laid. Probably not Smash material honestly.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So is "Edlegaurd is technically a villain" the new "Lucina was technically a villain"? lol

(Please put any non yes or no answers in a spoiler box. I haven't played Fire Emblem 3 Houses yet.)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So is "Edlegaurd is technically a villain" the new "Lucina was technically a villain"? lol

(Please put any non yes or no answers in a spoiler box. I haven't played Fire Emblem 3 Houses yet.)

“Lucina was technically a villain”

What and how

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

“Lucina was technically a villain”

What and how

She's not and I don't know why but it was brought up in the Smash 4 DLC speculation thread.

EDIT: I think the person's reasoning was due to her actions in Chapter 4: The two Falchions but it's still a silly thing to say in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member]

I honestly don’t bother making claims such as “X character is technically a villain” for characters present in games I haven’t played at all.

Doing that honestly seems to be the same as demanding someone over a crime and not giving any concrete proof for that.
You just don’t do it when you know nothing about the character.

So for me, I just find the concept of a Three Houses character likely based on the general reception it got, not specific characters from the game.

 

[TheYungLink]

I'd say Robin was technically a villain, not Lucina.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

She's not and I don't know why but it was brought up in the Smash 4 DLC speculation thread.

I'm gonna have to ask for context as Lucina's never been shown as morally grey

 

[Animegamingnerd]

On the Edelgard being a villain debate, I will just say this.

She is the main antagonist for the Blue Lions and Church route and the co-protagonist for the Black Eagles route.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'd say Robin was technically a villain, not Lucina.

Spoiler: Spoilers for Fire EMblem Awakening

Robin: Who are you?
Grima: I'm you, but evil, and from an alternate timeline.
Robin: NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I'm gonna have to ask for context as Lucina's never been shown as morally grey

EDIT: I think the person's reasoning was due to her actions in Chapter 4: The two Falchions but it's still a silly thing to say in my opinion.

I also remember something being said about her "causing a lot more grief than she should have".

 

[Cutie Gwen]

On the Edelgard being a villain debate, I will just say this.

She is the main antagonist for the Blue Lions and Church route and the co-protagonist for the Black Eagles route.

I mean, the Blue Lions route outright changed her Part 1 writing when it was consistent in the other 3 to make her seem less grey because Dimitri has a black and white morality system. Not to mention Claude thinks her ideas are right

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I mean, the Blue Lions route outright changed her Part 1 writing when it was consistent in the other 3...

Wait...There are four routes? And they're not locked to physical releases/DLC? Screw Fates I want this game now.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait...There are four routes? And they're not locked to physical releases/DLC? Screw Fates I want this game now.

Fair warning, 2 of them are the same in terms of story

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Fair warning, 2 of them are the same in terms of story

Eh. Still more consumer friendly.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Byleth has the same issue Corrin had of failing to be that distinct from the rest of the Emblemeers. However, Corrin was a disaster that only had the perfect issue of not being the fan favorites the whole community was begging for from the ballot, and also coming from a highly controversial game that hadn't even gotten a western release yet. Most of Corrin's haters have never played their game... but to be honest, most of Corrin's fans haven't played Fates as well.

Byleth and Edelgard have neither of those big issues. Three Houses is mostly beloved, and fan favorites are a dime a dozen recently across Japan, the United States, and even other regions such as Latin America. So, I don't consider them off limits, and they would not be nearly as poorly-recieved as Corrin was. People seem to forget the context behind Corrin.

Also neither of them would play like Marth, but only Edelgard doesn't resemble Marth in terms of structure, personality, or weapon choice.

Another thing that added to Corrin's poor reception was that Fates hadn't even released outside of Japan either, so it was a character that most westerners didn't even have the chance of getting to properly know before they were included in Smash. There were a fair few people who were already tired of promotional characters in Smash 4, and this just took it to another level.

Three Houses is going to go down as one of the series' and the Switch's best games, and it seems inevitable that it'll be the best selling game in the franchise, but as always Fire Emblem characters are a now or never thing regardless of prior success, so I think there's a good chance that might help push a character from it to be DLC. I hope Edelgard gets in, she'd add something different aesthetically, and if I had to put my bets on anyone I'd say she's the likeliest to act as the game's face going forward (much like Lyn is the face of FE7), Byleth in comparison would be a bit underwhelming, he/she works well enough as a blank slate in the game itself, but that's not something that translates well to Smash imo, especially not when he/she already overlaps a bit with the current cast (blue haired sword wielder, avatar character, Belmonts already have whips).

 

[perfectchaos83]

So is "Edlegaurd is technically a villain" the new "Lucina was technically a villain"? lol

(Please put any non yes or no answers in a spoiler box. I haven't played Fire Emblem 3 Houses yet.)

The best way to describe it without getting too spoilery is that she's an antagonist for every route but her own.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Fair warning, 2 of them are the same in terms of story

The major plot points are the same, but there's enough differences to justify both existing.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The major plot points are the same, but there's enough differences to justify both existing.

True, but I can imagine someone playing Golden Deer first and then doing the Church route as their second playthrough or vice versa making them believe they aren't really missing out if they only do 1 route

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Eh, I just think people need to learn the difference between "antagonist" and "villain". Like, would you really call Sans a villain because he's the antagonist of Undertale's Genocide run? I don't know about you, but I don't see how wanting to stop a mass murderer is in any way villanous. Edelgard kind of fits into that category, though she's a lot more morally grey. Although she's an antagonist for every run besides her own, there's nothing particularly evil about her motivations. Yeah her methods of reaching those goals might be questionable, but I can't bring myself to call her a straight-up villain. Basically, not all antagonists are evil and it's pretty useless to lump someone like Edelgard into the villain category.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Eh, I just think people need to learn the difference between "antagonist" and "villain". Like, would you really call Sans a villain because he's the antagonist of Undertale's Genocide run? I don't know about you, but I don't see how wanting to stop a mass murderer is in any way villanous. Edelgard kind of fits into that category, though she's a lot more morally grey. Although she's an antagonist for every run besides her own, there's nothing particularly evil about her motivations. Yeah her methods of reaching those goals might be questionable, but I can't bring myself to call her a straight-up villain. Basically, not all antagonists are evil and it's pretty useless to lump someone like Edelgard into the villain category.

Yeah but Edelgard made Dimitri cry so that's irredeemable

 

[perfectchaos83]

Eh, I just think people need to learn the difference between "antagonist" and "villain". Like, would you really call Sans a villain because he's the antagonist of Undertale's Genocide run? I don't know about you, but I don't see how wanting to stop a mass murderer is in any way villanous. Edelgard kind of fits into that category, though she's a lot more morally grey. Although she's an antagonist for every run besides her own, there's nothing particularly evil about her motivations. Yeah her methods of reaching those goals might be questionable, but I can't bring myself to call her a straight-up villain. Basically, not all antagonists are evil and it's pretty useless to lump someone like Edelgard into the villain category.

Based on pretty much everything I've seen, the only ones who will call her a villain or evil are those that picked the Blue Lions. Which makes sense. But I suppose that's one of the absolute best things about three houses. You see the view point of multiple sides.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Honestly 3H has been a big hit with a lot of people and the naysayers would be core Smash fans, who, honestly, can screw off.

For the record, I have not played 3H and have been a fan of Smash since 64.

The only people who would be complaining about first parties not from 3H/SS are people who are too obsessed with spiting the Smash Bubble. Which isn't your average consumer.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I think this image should be the one to consider as we move forward in speculation:

When Sakurai talks about adding game worlds and series to make the crossover bigger as he did in the most recent Banjo & Kazooie breakdown video, I think this is the sort of thing he was referring to. Adding to this huge collage of crossovers, and since this list was shown at E3 2018, he's added another five unique IPs to the list with Castlevania, Persona, Dragon Quest, Banjo-Kazooie, and Fatal Fury. This is his opportunity to create the biggest crossover in gaming that will never be surpassed and I think Sakurai will continue going all in on that ideology. And that's why I'm not expecting too many first party representatives to be in this space. Xenoblade may be the exception because of just how big the series has become in the past couple of years for Nintendo and they're still likely to push for an advertising rep, but I do think overall, characters from existing series like Kirby and Fire Emblem are going to have a much harder time getting in. If a character can add to this banner in some way, then yes, I think their chances are better than the majority of other options.

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

That's why I think the protags from Astral Chain are extremely likely
Good moveset potential + new series + nintendo/Platinum IP
I'd rather have a new IP than an 8th Fire Emblem character lmao and I like 3H btw

 

[SNEKeater]

I would like Edelgard, but at the same time I would like Dimitri and Claude and even Byleth.
Maybe a gimmick similar to Pokemon Trainer for Byleth would be cool, directing and switching between Edelgard, Claude and Dimitri. Maybe too much work, but I think sticking to one of the 3 leaders would be a little mistake, because if they put Edelgard people would "complain" about no Dimitri or Claude, the same goes the other way around.

Other option I imagine is putting Byleth but in all his moves summons one of the three leaders, who would be the ones doing the attack. Also I think they could include in some way the system of batallions from Three Houses.

While I like the 3H leaders more than Akira from Astral Chain, I would pick first the later for Smash, because I love the legion system and I think putting Akira in Smash would bring an amazing and really unique moveset, at least in my mind.

Anyway I don't think a Three Houses or Astral Chain rep are very possible picks.