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Porky strikes me as a character that surely had to have gotten brought up at one point. I could certainly see him having been discarded in lieu of implimentation issues; I can think of how to make bloody Master Hand work nicely, and trying to translate Porky - either of his two major incarnations, into a proper fighter - I draw a blank, I have no idea. But maybe Sakurai and Co. could've made something work. I dunno!
 
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Porky strikes me as a character that surely had to have gotten brought up at one point. I could certainly see him having been discarded in lieu of implimentation issues; I can think of how to make bloody Master Hand work nicely, and trying to translate Porky - either of his two major incarnations, into a proper fighter - I draw a blank, I have no idea. But maybe Sakurai and Co. could've made something work. I dunno!
Ehhh, I doubt it'd be that hard.


His little machine in Earthbound isn't overly large until the spider legs come out, and honestly, if it works for Bowser Jr., I'd imagine it'd work for Porky.


Porky for me is just... I can't imagine him being anything but a boss, let alone Mother getting a 3rd character.
 

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Dr. Mario World and Mario Kart Tour's rosters were the reasons why I believed that fanmade 8-bit Mario trailer was real. They brought back Baby Wario for that whale money, you can't make this up.
The trailer was rather convincing aside from the Sans gag. I know he basically is more of a Mii Gunner echo than a costume, but I highly doubt he'd get treated anywhere close to that way internally. What's crazy is that I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. What the fake trailer presented looks somewhat interesting. As part of this pass, or any pass though... yeah I think I'd be a bit miffed. As a standalone thing... I mean, sure, why not?
 
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Porky strikes me as a character that surely had to have gotten brought up at one point. I could certainly see him having been discarded in lieu of implimentation issues; I can think of how to make bloody Master Hand work nicely, and trying to translate Porky - either of his two major incarnations, into a proper fighter - I draw a blank, I have no idea. But maybe Sakurai and Co. could make something work. I dunno!
Well they did make a boss out of his Mother 3 form even though all of its attacks are inexplicable (usually it says something along the lines of "What did Porky do?"), so I think they could come up with something.
 

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Well they did make a boss out of his Mother 3 form even though all of its attacks are inexplicable (usually it says something along the lines of "What did Porky do?"), so I think they could come up with something.
What did Porky do?
Porky sprayed something!
What did Porky do?
Porky sucked something up!
What did Porky do?
What did Porky do?
What did Porky do?

Creepy stuff, if you go in blind.
 

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We talking about Porky? I
Earthbound is one of my favorite games, I would ecstatic to see how the team would make him work.
Porky is such a fantastic villain. You're left so completely, utterly torn on whether he really is a complete monster, or perhaps even slightly sympathetic. I still can't decide, myself.

What I find most disturbing about him is how he so clearly idolizes Ness, even declaring his actions in MOTHER3 to be in his name. But to be more specific, he idolizes a very twisted illustration of Ness that only ever existed in his mind, born out of a fearful worldview exacerbated by loneliness.
He doesn't talk about it all that much in your time with him in MOTHER3's final hours, but what's mentioned, what's seen - the Friend's yo-yo... it hits hard.

And his fate - his fate... hmm... It's clear he sees it in the moment as the ultimate victory - forever insulated from anyone that wouldn't like him, the world he's deathly afraid of. But - would being isolated forever - even when the sun burns out, as noted by Itoi - serve as a fate worse than death, or perhaps - he's too far-gone to care? Has he gotten his just desserts? Is this what he wanted, truly? There's no answers to any of that. You can only wonder.

One can only ponder, if Ness had, in another time and space, stumbled upon the capsule and saw such a sickly shell of his neighbor poking his tongue out from the capsule's window, unknowing of what he had done in the Nowhere Islands, how he became what he did. There is a piece of fanart depicting this and it is absolutely gut-wrenching.
 
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I'm surprised Baby Waluigi hasn't happened yet.
Probably because they couldn't just reuse Baby Mario's model for that. The fact that Baby Rosalina is a glorified Baby Peach recolor is probably why she exists in the first place.

It's really weird that they resort to such blatant roster padding too since all the only real differences between Mario Kart characters are models and animations. The rest of the workload is just changing numbers around. I mean, modeling and animating aren't trivial, but compared to Smash, where characters also have to be conceptualized, programmed, licensed in a lot of cases, balanced...

I guess the tracks are just that much of a resource hog. They are quite pretty so it would make sense...

What did Porky do?
Porky sprayed something!
What did Porky do?
Porky sucked something up!
What did Porky do?
What did Porky do?
What did Porky do?

Creepy stuff, if you go in blind.
Especially considering the fact that bosses also have reflects on them, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of players got destroyed here.
 

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Personally, I rather Have Giygas (Earthbound Version) be a Playable character over any of the other Earthbound characters...I Don't think he'd be able to work, but it would be cool. He should at least be a Stage.
 

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What first/second party Nintendo characters do you guys think Nintendo would want to push into FP2 alongside Min Min? My bets: Ring Fit Trainee, a gen 8 Pokémon (Cinderace is a strong candidate for this case) or Akira Howard from Astral Chain (a PlatinumGames title published by Nintendo).
 

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Personally, I rather Have Giygas (Earthbound Version) be a Playable character over any of the other Earthbound characters...I Don't think he'd be able to work, but it would be cool. He should at least be a Stage.
I would love to see the Devil's Machine become a stage in an official game. The one in Super Smash Flash 2 is amazing (though it could do with a slightly more exciting layout), I just can't play on it because SSF2 CPUs are stupid, and walk-offs are one of the things that make them non-functional.

EDIT: The reason why I call it amazing even though it's just a wider version of hazards off Bridge of Eldin in practice is because of the atmosphere. It's genuinely creepy, and every so often a text box shows up to punch Earthbound fans in the feels.

"(You feel a soft breeze. It smells like sunflowers.)"
 
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What first/second party Nintendo characters do you guys think Nintendo would want to push into FP2 alongside Min Min? My bets: Ring Fit Trainee, a gen 8 Pokémon (Cinderace is a strong candidate for this case) or Akira Howard from Astral Chain (a PlatinumGames title published by Nintendo).
A gen 8 pokemon is really the only first party character I see them adding honestly. A little hard to tell which pokemon it would specifically be though.
 

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What first/second party Nintendo characters do you guys think Nintendo would want to push into FP2 alongside Min Min? My bets: Ring Fit Trainee, a gen 8 Pokémon (Cinderace is a strong candidate for this case) or Akira Howard from Astral Chain (a PlatinumGames title published by Nintendo).
I'll just use this opportunity to mention Euden for the umpteenth time.
 

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What first/second party Nintendo characters do you guys think Nintendo would want to push into FP2 alongside Min Min? My bets: Ring Fit Trainee, a gen 8 Pokémon (Cinderace is a strong candidate for this case) or Akira Howard from Astral Chain (a PlatinumGames title published by Nintendo).
Isaac. Not because of a recent release to push, but out of fan demand. FP1 had one major fan-favorite, Banjo and Kazooie, and I think FP2 will also have a big request. Isaac evidently did well enough on the ballot, seeing as his Assist Trophy came back, and I believe that Nintendo was actually aware of the negative response to his snowglobing (Though I'm not sure on that last part; You might want to ask his thread for clarification). He also scored well in a lot of fan polls, including this consolidation poll for the ballot.
That, and the new, non-renewal trademark, yadda yadda you know this already. There's too much unknowns to base speculation largely off a trademark, but it suggests that Nintendo at least still cares about the series.
 

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What first/second party Nintendo characters do you guys think Nintendo would want to push into FP2 alongside Min Min? My bets: Ring Fit Trainee, a gen 8 Pokémon (Cinderace is a strong candidate for this case) or Akira Howard from Astral Chain (a PlatinumGames title published by Nintendo).
Come on, Min Min wasn't from 2019 onward, and you're still sticking with the "safe" picks? Ones that got event spirited for that matter?
 

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Well my last 24 hour period for the presentation:

Character Rundown
-Sephiroth introduced
-History of Final Fantasy and Sephiroth's role
-Sephiroth moveset breakdown
-Planet's Core breakdown
-Demo Match
-List of songs
-FFVII Spiritboard

10.0.0 Additions
-Cloud's new final Smash variant.
-Change to his Classic mode and other characters
-Boss Rush

Mii Costumes
FFVII character
Another FFVII character
Chocobo Hat
Geno
Crono
Sora(Premium)
 

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What first/second party Nintendo characters do you guys think Nintendo would want to push into FP2 alongside Min Min? My bets: Ring Fit Trainee, a gen 8 Pokémon (Cinderace is a strong candidate for this case) or Akira Howard from Astral Chain (a PlatinumGames title published by Nintendo).
Push as in shill? I don't think any come to mind. I think Rex and Porky are likely to get in, though.
+I'd also like to add that I think the shilling is saved for Spirit Events, which are for free. (Inb4 someone brings up Byleth.)
 
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Porky is such a fantastic villain. You're left so completely, utterly torn on whether he really is a complete monster, or perhaps even slightly sympathetic. I still can't decide, myself.

What I find most disturbing about him is how he so clearly idolizes Ness, even declaring his actions in MOTHER3 to be in his name. But to be more specific, he idolizes a very twisted illustration of Ness that only ever existed in his mind, born out of a fearful worldview exacerbated by loneliness.
He doesn't talk about it all that much in your time with him in MOTHER3's final hours, but what's mentioned, what's seen - the Friend's yo-yo... it hits hard.

And his fate - his fate... hmm... It's clear he sees it in the moment as the ultimate victory - forever insulated from anyone that wouldn't like him, the world he's deathly afraid of. But - would being isolated forever - even when the sun burns out, as noted by Itoi - serve as a fate worse than death, or perhaps - he's too far-gone to care? Has he gotten his just desserts? Is this what he wanted, truly? There's no answers to any of that. You can only wonder.

One can only ponder, if Ness had, in another time and space, stumbled upon the capsule and saw such a sickly shell of his neighbor poking his tongue out from the capsule's window, unknowing of what he had done in the Nowhere Islands, how he became what he did. There is a piece of fanart depicting this and it is absolutely gut-wrenching.
I really, really wish I could play mother 3. But until I learn Japanese, I guess I’ll just have to imagine what its like.
 

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I really, really wish I could play mother 3. But until I learn Japanese, I guess I’ll just have to imagine what its like.
Y'know... the fan translation is pretty fantastic. You'll be waiting a while if you don't bite, haha. I don't even really want Nintendo to localize it officially, I feel like they might censor and change a lot of aspects. Let it be, I say to 'em. Tomato did a better job than they'd be willing to.
 
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Well my last 24 hour period for the presentation:

Character Rundown
-Sephiroth introduced
-History of Final Fantasy and Sephiroth's role
-Sephiroth moveset breakdown
-Planet's Core breakdown
-Demo Match
-List of songs
-FFVII Spiritboard

10.0.0 Additions
-Cloud's new final Smash variant.
-Change to his Classic mode and other characters
-Boss Rush

Mii Costumes
FFVII character
Another FFVII character
Chocobo Hat
Geno
Crono
Sora(Premium)
I would kill for a boss rush. I love the way Bosses are designed in Ultimate, its a shame they’re so hard to fight.
 

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Y'know... the fan translation is pretty fantastic. You'll be waiting a while if you don't bite, haha. I don't even really want Nintendo to localize it officially, I feel like they might censor and change a lot of aspects. Let it be, I say to 'em. Tomato did a better job than they'd be willing to.
Theres a fan translation? Where can I get it?
 

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I would kill for a boss rush. I love the way Bosses are designed in Ultimate, its a shame they’re so hard to fight.
I've had plenty of experience with the bosses in Ultimate. They definitely get easier when you learn their patterns. My proudest achievement regarding them thus far is beating Galeem spiritless.
 
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I've had plenty of experience with the bosses in Ultimate. They definitely get easier when you learn their patterns. My proudest achievement regarding them thus far is beating Galeem spiritless.
Dang, thats impressive. I’m trying to get 9.9 on each characters classic mode right now, and words can not describe how much I dread bosses.
Here. You'll need to go get an emulator, I use VisualBoy Advance-M. And of course, a MOTHER3 ROM. I can't tell you where or how to get one but it's not hard.
This is the best Christmas present possible, I’m surprised I never heard of it before.
 

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OK this is getting a bit ridiculous. Can you please make predictions of your own rather than yelling at people for making common ones?
Very well:

Isaac and Rex because enough people complained about them not being fighters and their games' representation is more suitable for being filled out by a challenger pack than Waluigi
Eevee because a Smash game's second Pokemon newcomer tends to contrast the first one, and Cinderace ain't gonna do that to Incineroar.
 

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Well my last 24 hour period for the presentation:

Character Rundown
-Sephiroth introduced
-History of Final Fantasy and Sephiroth's role
-Sephiroth moveset breakdown
-Planet's Core breakdown
-Demo Match
-List of songs
-FFVII Spiritboard

10.0.0 Additions
-Cloud's new final Smash variant.
-Change to his Classic mode and other characters
-Boss Rush

Mii Costumes
FFVII character
Another FFVII character
Chocobo Hat
Geno
Crono
Sora(Premium)
Why would Sora be a "premium" Mii costume? Those only work on characters who have the exact same proportions as a Mii fighter. Bomberman, Sans, Vault Boy, Cuphead. They all have big heads and small bodies. Sora is a regular human.
 

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Ring Fit and Astral Chain are at a disadvantage because they're both new franchises. Nintendo may have not cared as much until they got an idea whether or not either franchise had a future, and by the time they would've gotten their answer, the pass would probably have been close to being finalized.

Pokemon and Zelda are the only two I can see as of now.
 

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Hey is it bad if I unironically think Euden would be a cool character to have in Smash?
Euden would be really darn cool, Not only is he a sword boy, he is a blonde sword boy and we only have 5 of those.

Joking aside I legit want Euden and think he would be unique with the whole shapeshifting mechanic potentially being a part of it. also Dragalia Lost music

Why would Sora be a "premium" Mii costume? Those only work on characters who have the exact same proportions as a Mii fighter. Bomberman, Sans, Vault Boy, Cuphead. They all have big heads and small bodies. Sora is a regular human.
I think they meant that it would come with a Song

but if we want to go the full costume route...


 
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A 35 Minute 'Sakurai Presents' for Sephiroth. Is that longer than average? Shorter? Or just typical of the length? I don't want to read into it, but I really do want to keep hope alive for a 'Boss Rush' mode to be added.

I feel like the 'History' of Sephiroth may be a bit more detailed than some others since he'll likely talk about Advent Children (since the Trailer had some heavy homages to it in there), Dissidia (His moveset seems pretty closely based on it), and How Sephiroth got in (We may get confirmation on that rumor that Sakurai got Cloud back because they Square asked for Sephiroth too). Hopefully the larger 'History' section for him doesn't account for the slightly longer runtime for the Direct (I think tis longer, anyway).

I'm not expecting teases for the next character or anything; I'm just hoping its for a new mode or something beyond Sephiroth. Though, now that I think about it, there's a fair chance that any extra time may be devoted to revising the release schedule for the DLC; maybe telling us approximately when we should expect news on the next ones or if things will be delayed into 2022 thanks to everything going on. With Fighter 3/6 being dropped, its a good time to give a sort of Status Update for the Fighter's Pass as a whole (sales of it, reception, state of being, etc).

I just wish this thing were earlier in the day. It's going to be at 5pm for me, so I have to wait though an entire damn day just to hear it. Hopefully the actual release date for him is sometime next week; I don't want Winter Vacation to be done, forcing me back to work, the day he's released or something.

Do you really think Nintendo and Disney would just negotiate for just a Mii costume? You're solely mistaken if you think so. Sora is a playable character or nothing.
Sorely. The expression is sorely mistaken. You missed a good pun opportunity to say 'Sora'ly mistaken because of your mishap. Shame on you.
 
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Do you really think Nintendo and Disney would just negotiate for just a Mii costume? You're solely mistaken if you think so. Sora is a playable character or nothing.
I mean I'm pretty sure none of us have ever tried to negotiate anything with Disney in a legal setting, unless someone here is an undercover copyright lawyer for a company that has had negotiations with Disney. So we don't really know if Disney or Nintendo want the whole shebang or if a Mii costume was decided and Disney was okay as long as they made a little bit of money from it, This isn't like trying to make a costume of Mickey Mouse it is a character that Disney probably forgets that they own sometimes. If the price for a character was too high for Nintendos liking, Disney could maybe have had a smaller price for a costume or something like that.

But it is a pretty safe bet...
 
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