Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

So the remaining reveals will either be one of these (if this correct):

1. 3 First Party Characters
2. 3 Third Party Characters
3. 2 First Party Characters and a Third Party Character
4. 2 Third Party Characters and a First Party Character

I'm still guessing and leaning on the remaining three reveals could be 2 first party characters and a third party character. But at this stage its really hard to tell where this will go as anything can happen.

Just going to post my predictions here.

CP9: Monster Hunter, March
CP10: Ryu Hayabusa, E3
CP11: Rex and Pyra, September-October

Of course, this immediately falls flat, because these are widely talked about characters, and Smash tends to give us the unexpected. I expect at least two of these to be incorrect.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

May I remind you that KH fans are so used to this kind of BS that we're not even battling an Eye that Nomura is using it to revive FF-Versus XIII and just roll with it with a simple "Yes, continue."

I know and I hate it as much as the fact Nomura would make Smash canon to the lore

 

[Cyberfire]

So the remaining reveals will either be one of these (if this correct):

1. 3 First Party Characters
2. 3 Third Party Characters
3. 2 First Party Characters and a Third Party Character
4. 2 Third Party Characters and a First Party Character

I'm still guessing and leaning on the remaining three reveals could be 2 first party characters and a third party character. But at this stage its really hard to tell where this will go as anything can happen.

I get the impression that this Fighter's Pass is Sakurai putting in characters that missed out on base game for one reason or another, so I don't think we've seen the last of first party inclusions.

 

[Spongeboob]

re: indie characters

This is a shot in the dark and I wouldn't call him too likely but

Y'all

What if we got CommanderVideo

While I don't think he's likely at all, I do find it strange that he's not anywhere to be found in Ultimate, considering he cameoed in Smash for Wii U IIRC. Might have him confused with someone else though.

Supernova better be a 2 minute long final smash or else I want a refund for my Switch

Imagine using it when there's 1:59 left on the clock

 

[Nekoo]

I know and I hate it as much as the fact Nomura would make Smash canon to the lore

You say that as if Smash isn't already canon to FFVII Remake

 

[Michael the Spikester]

CP9: Monster Hunter, March

You thought it was Monster Hunter but it was I Palicos!

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I'll definitely chime in and say Smash Run is better than Subspace Emissary. The latter has some novel cutscenes and a few interesting bosses but the rest of it is a slog. As someone who's greatly enjoys both 2D platformers and beat em ups, its remarkable how underwhelming most of the experience actually is. The level design is a poor man's Kirby a lot of the time and even the originality of the enemies can't make up for the fact that the entire appeal of such a mode was playing as the likes of Mario and fighting Metroids in Hyrule. The crossover element is neutered because the settings become blandly nice and the foes stop resembling anything from the franchises' libraries.

The cutscenes are fondly remembered because they get the central concept right (wow, Pikachu and Samus working together!) far more than the actual gameplay does.

 

[Deleted member]

I am going to say it, but people hate on World of Light too much.

 

[Kriven]

The existence of clones is not predicated on providing the best representation possible of the character, it's to find a character that can function with another's moveset.

Can Shadow function under the framework of Sonic's moveset? Yes. Would it be the most faithful depiction? No. But that's not the point of clones.

People were raising the exact same points about Dark Samus prior to her getting in.

My initial post was discussing whether it would be in service to the character, not whether it was feasible. Therefore, replies concerned with feasibility have no relevance as responses to me.

 

[Momotsuki]

I am going to say it, but people hate on World of Light too much.

Finally, somebody that feels the same way! World of Light is just Event mode with a few bosses and a couple cutscenes. And if that's what you go in expecting, I think it's fantastic, if maybe a bit hard to replay.

 

[Kokiden]

Dante could also work as a continuation of Sephiroth's trailer referencing Vergil.

Dante seems to be the only one in my mind who can actually go head to head with Sephiroth in a way that makes sense.

I'd love for him to be the next fighter, and for him to follow up the events of Sephiroth's trailer.

They got a good storyline going on and it's hype af.

I think Sephiroth's trailer is the most hype one thus far.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I think Sephiroth's trailer is the most hype one thus far.

As someone's most wanted character was I actually agree.

 

[Deleted member]

On the topic of first parties, I don’t think we’re getting a Zelda rep. If that was the case you’d think they would have used a different Mii Costume for the pass bonus and saved the Ancient Armor outfit to coincide with Impa or whoever. So if we do get a 1st party I’d think it’d be someone like Bandana Dee, Rex, or a promotional character for a game we don’t know anything about yet. Maybe Waluigi if assists are on the table. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 3rd parties the rest of the way though given we already got Min Min.

 

[Momotsuki]

On the topic of first parties, I don’t think we’re getting a Zelda rep. If that was the case you’d think they would have used a different Mii Costume for the pass bonus and saved the Ancient Armor outfit to coincide with Impa or whoever. So if we do get a 1st party I’d think it’d be someone like Bandana Dee, Rex, or a promotional character for a game we don’t know anything about yet. Maybe Waluigi if assists are on the table. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 3rd parties the rest of the way though given we already got Min Min.

For what it's worth... the Ancient Armor Mii outfit is positively stunning. Got me into Mii Swordie!

 

[Mapusaurus]

Should geno be playable, i think so.

 

[Deleted member]

Finally, somebody that feels the same way! World of Light is just Event mode with a few bosses and a couple cutscenes. And if that's what you go in expecting, I think it's fantastic, if maybe a bit hard to replay.

Yes. I am a bit biased in favor of World of Light, because I adore spirits. I have ALL of the spirits in the game.

 

[Mapusaurus]

If someone can put a single good arguement against geno i will relent talking about him.

 

[Kokiden]

Yes. I am a bit biased in favor of World of Light, because I adore spirits. I have ALL of the spirits in the game.

Out of curiosity, how many are there in total?

 

[Dinoman96]

If someone can put a single good arguement against geno i will relent talking about him.

Let's see...

• he's an extremely minor character who only really appeared one time as a party member in a Mario RPG spinoff from two decades ago
• there's already a Square-Enix character in this pass and it's likely they won't double dip on any company
• In fact, despite his supposed popularity, he's been passed over not once, not twice, but three different times (Cloud, Hero, now Sephiroth)

 

[Deleted member]

If someone can put a single good arguement against geno i will relent talking about him.

Sighs

Fine, here is a solid argument.

Spoiler

Out of curiosity, how many are there in total?

1438.

 

[Nekoo]

If someone can put a single good arguement against geno i will relent talking about him.

Wait the 17th to see his fate. That's the best I can say

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Mallow is cooler

 

[Momotsuki]

If someone can put a single good arguement against geno i will relent talking about him.

Spoiler: A single good argument

 

[pupNapoleon]

Has the no crossover rule ever been broken? Like prior to laura croft in brawlhalla and master chief in fortnite is there any precedent of a character crossing over in another game and being announced for smash shortly thereafter?

Not sure if this was given a response, pardon if so- but Ryu is in just about every game, Megaman and Pacman have both been in fighting games, and Terry has made appearances as well.

This belies a fundamental misunderstanding of the character.

In Shadow's first several games, he played identically to Sonic. It was the goal for him to play identically to Sonic. He served as the evil counterpart to Sonic's missions in Sonic Adventure, he served as Sonic's speed position in Sonic Heroes.

He absolutely makes sense as an Echo- particularly given that are echoes.

Shadow shares many attributes with Sonic and thus controls similarly in games, but is distinguished by his uses of vehicles and firearms.

If you have a contrary point to make, please do make it- but just saying "I don't understand," does not cut it.

Shadow shares many similarities with Sonic.[5] Visually, GameSpot's Ben Stahl described Shadow as "an evil version of Sonic himself—similar in appearance, but with darker skin, more angled eyes, and a fearsome snarl instead of Sonic's trademark grin."[3] GamesRadar+'s Justin Leeper said that if Sonic was Superman, then Shadow would be his Batman.[17] The characters control similarly in games, as both share skills and the ability to run at great speeds.[5][16][18] Shadow has unique attributes in some games, such as his uses of firearms and vehicles in Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic the Hedgehog, respectively.[6][7] He can also use the Chaos Emeralds to perform "Chaos Control"—allowing him to distort time—and create weapons like spears.[5][10][13] Like Sonic, Shadow can transform into a "Super" form giving him special powers.[19][20]

In short- yes, he can do other things, but that doesn't mean it is untrue to his character to be an echo of Sonic.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler: A single good argument

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Idk fam that looks like six good arguments, you don’t need to cheat just to prove a point .

 

[Arcadenik]

If they were gonna add a new Mii class (which would be cool as hell) the base game was the time to do it. A new Mii class being part of a game update (DLC fighters are in the update data, they're just unlocked by dummy DLC titles. That way you can use them online with those that don't have the DLC) seems like headache development-wise.

Or... they could put the Wandering Heroes from StreetPass Mii Plaza: Find Mii I & II in Smash.

People keep saying they want a Mii with magic powers. Well, the Wandering Heroes have magic powers.

 

[Mapusaurus]

Wait the 17th to see his fate. That's the best I can say

Just because he isn't in doesn't mean he shouldn't be in especially over a potted plant and anime swordfighter number 12

 

[Momotsuki]

Or... they could put the Wandering Heroes from StreetPass Mii Plaza: Find Mii I & II in Smash.

People keep saying they want a Mii with magic powers. Well, the Wandering Heroes have magic powers.

Resident 3DS-shaker walker, date-changer, and Find Mii aficionado here, I'd be down.
What the hell was the 10 play coins-per-day thing about? If I want to shake my 3DS walk more, let me.

 

[Deleted member]

a potted plant and anime swordfighter number 12

But with their powers combined...

Sephiroth in a pot pic.twitter.com/xzQpctUkR4

— MetalKingBoo (@MetalKingBoo) December 12, 2020

 

[Momotsuki]

But with their powers combined...

Sephiroth in a pot pic.twitter.com/xzQpctUkR4

— MetalKingBoo (@MetalKingBoo) December 12, 2020

I certainly won't get over this.

 

[GothicSlenderman]

So I have some theories has who we should be looking out for as possible contenders for the last 3 Smash Fighters and here's what I've got so far.
I think these 12 characters are the most likely candidates (note, I'm not saying all 12 are being added. Just of the most likely to be added)

 

[Momotsuki]

So I have some theories has who we should be looking out for as possible contenders for the last 3 Smash Fighters and here's what I've got so far.
I think these 12 characters are the most likely candidates (note, I'm not saying all 12 are being added. Just of the most likely to be added)

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You've got some serious balls with predictions like this. I respect it. Besides Jonesy, I don't respect that.

 

[Guynamednelson]

MUCH BIGGER budget than the previous one.

Alternatively, they spent their budget on Steve and Sephiroth alone rather than Joker, Hero, Banjo, Terry, and all those SNK songs. It'd be rather foolish to spend much more money when those four would be released when SSBU was more relevant in the public's eyes.

You've got some serious balls with predictions like this. I respect it.

Eh, Doomguy, Crash, Eggman post-Sephiroth, and pretty much all of that second image aren't that ballsy.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Or... they could put the Wandering Heroes from StreetPass Mii Plaza: Find Mii I & II in Smash.

People keep saying they want a Mii with magic powers. Well, the Wandering Heroes have magic powers.

I feel like this is actually the best way to include a Mage Mii.

Can we please get the cat and dog mascot heads too from Wandering Heroes as headpiece items at some point? Would be neat.

 

[Deleted member]

Just because he isn't in doesn't mean he shouldn't be in especially over a potted plant and anime swordfighter number 12

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[YoshiandToad]

But with their powers combined...

Sephiroth in a pot pic.twitter.com/xzQpctUkR4

— MetalKingBoo (@MetalKingBoo) December 12, 2020

Echo Fighter obtained.

 

[Arcadenik]

Resident 3DS-shaker and Find Mii aficianado here, I'd be down.

My idea for Wandering Heroes is like this...

You play as a Wandering Hero with a random shirt color. The shirt color determines what kind of magic your current Wandering Hero knows. There are 12 shirt colors.

Down B to send your current Wandering Hero to the back of the line and your next Wandering Hero (with a different random shirt color) becomes your new current Wandering Hero.

All Wandering Heroes have the same normal A moves but different special B moves except for Down B.

The shirt colors are not alts. The actual alts are black cat, brown cat, black dog, brown dog, white bunny, pink bunny, human Mii male (Guest B) with Prince’s crown, human Mii female (Guest E) with Princess’s crown.

 

[TheTuninator]

Just because he isn't in doesn't mean he shouldn't be in especially over a potted plant and anime swordfighter number 12

Piranha Plant was a genius inclusion and the funniest one since Wii Fit Trainer. We need at least one insane oddball pick per generation.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Does anyone else have difficulty navigating through WoL? Both in terms of getting everywhere, and also distinguishing what is a path and what isn't?

 

[Deleted member]

I am going to ask the burning question of our time, and that is...

What material will Sephiroth's stage be made out of for Steve to collect? My guess is stone.