Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[osby]

Just because he isn't in doesn't mean he shouldn't be in especially over a potted plant and anime swordfighter number 12

You know what would help Geno fans' negative reputation? Not this.

Flinging cheap insults at other characters because they got in over your most wanted doesn't make you look sympathetic or smart.

 

[Arcadenik]

Mallow is cooler

I like Mallow too. He would be very unique and fun. He has the power to control weather. He can summon rain, snow, and lightning.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Does anyone else have difficulty navigating through WoL? Both in terms of getting everywhere, and also distinguishing what is a path and what isn't?

I have trouble keeping track of which spirits I've fought because they don't show up when you zoom the map out.

I am going to ask the burning question of our time, and that is...

What material will Sephiroth's stage be made out of for Steve to collect? My guess is stone.

It's going to be all Diamond and he won't get anything else.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Firstly, yes, he does. Why? Because unlike Isaac or Shadow, he made comments in the past that teased the very real possibility that Geno could be an actual fighter. He also included an actual splash screen for Geno's costume in Sm4sh. In other words, he seemed to show tangible favoritism at least towards the idea of Geno as opposed to Isaac and Shadow for whom I don't think he's ever verbally acknowledged.

Also consider the fact that as PO'ed as Isaac and Shadow fans were to get the bone at the last possible second with regards to base game release, Geno fans had to wait almost TWO YEARS for closure, even having to endure the possible bone-over when Hero was released. That's a pretty long time to string along such a sizeable amount of the fanbase. And it's not like it would be the first time Sakurai has offered a shout-out to a popular character that he's costumed. Regardless, I don't expect a full eulogy or anything, just an acknowledgement or something.

PS. To be fair, as a fan of both Isaac and Shadow, they both should have deserved an honorable mention or something as well. It's pretty cold how Sakurai and Nintendo have barely acknowledged the fanbase for Isaac and Golden Sun. I want another game, dang it! They left us on a cliffhanger! On the bright side, there's technically no reason we can't still get Isaac or Shadow later on since AT's could possibly be upgraded.

Sakurau dont gotta Acknowlage anyone

 

[Kriven]

If you have a contrary point to make, please do make it- but just saying "I don't understand," does not cut it.

Shadow is so intimately connected to the Chaos energy which permeates the franchise that not including chaos attacks doesn't work in service to the character, and his characterization would never be caught dead performing some of the actions which Sonic does in Smash Bros.

Shadow isn't just "dark clone," he's Vegeta.

I "just said" that you don't understand because I had already made a "contrary point" and you disregarded it without a second thought, using justifications which, as I stated, belie a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. I can keep quoting what I've already said for as long as you want to pretend that it doesn't matter, does that sound good?

There isn't anything else to say. This is like you trying to make an argument that the sky is red, me telling you that it's blue, and then you insisting that it's red. **** dude, the fact that you have to pull references from Wikipedia demonstrates how little understanding of this character you actually have. Maybe go play some of the games he was in before Sega relegated him to guest appearances at Sonic's birthday party, read some of the comics he was part of, get a better feel of the topic you're talking about than a glance at his playstyle and game mechanics.

It's not like I'm even making the argument that he is entirely different or shouldn't borrow any moves from Sonic at all. All I've stated was that disregarding his affinity for Chaos energy is not in service to his character.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

K. Rool got pretty unceremoniously costumed half-way through the ballot and let’s not forget the Great Pyrosphere Debacle, where Pyrosphere was revealed at the start of Smash U’s PoTD and Ridley the Stageboss was only confirmed in the Final Smash Direct (or was that just the shadow-tease?)

”Sakurai owes us, the fanbase, a playable character, otherwise he’s baiting a very big and angry fanbase” has never held up and saying otherwise after aforementioned examples as well as some of the ATs returning very late in Smash Ultimate‘s lifespan feels weird, especially if Sepiroth was in negotiation for a long time and the Geno costume being “late” isn’t deliberate blue-balling, but an unfortunate timing when the Square character just took their sweet time.

As far as Shadow-the-Echo-hog goes, Daisy’s problem was that Peach’s moveset had things Daisy didn’t do in canon before, but Daisy also didn’t have any must-haves in her moveset aside from Flower Power, which was worked in neatly. Shadow’s Chaos and Dixie’s Floating are things that are heavily tied to the character to the point where not having those elements in the set feels weird.

Not sure how Dark Samus fits this view, she did different attacks as AT but I’m not sure how iconic they were to her aside from being Phazon-imbued

 

[Speed Weed]

Just because he isn't in doesn't mean he shouldn't be in especially over a potted plant and anime swordfighter number 12

Fam

Speaking as someone who thinks Geno fans get way too much **** flung at them

This is not how you make that any better

 

[TheTuninator]

Firstly, yes, he does. Why? Because unlike Isaac or Shadow, he made comments in the past that teased the very real possibility that Geno could be an actual fighter. He also included an actual splash screen for Geno's costume in Sm4sh. In other words, he seemed to show tangible favoritism at least towards the idea of Geno as opposed to Isaac and Shadow for whom I don't think he's ever verbally acknowledged.

Also consider the fact that as PO'ed as Isaac and Shadow fans were to get the bone at the last possible second with regards to base game release, Geno fans had to wait almost TWO YEARS for closure, even having to endure the possible bone-over when Hero was released. That's a pretty long time to string along such a sizeable amount of the fanbase. And it's not like it would be the first time Sakurai has offered a shout-out to a popular character that he's costumed. Regardless, I don't expect a full eulogy or anything, just an acknowledgement or something.

PS. To be fair, as a fan of both Isaac and Shadow, they both should have deserved an honorable mention or something as well. It's pretty cold how Sakurai and Nintendo have barely acknowledged the fanbase for Isaac and Golden Sun. I want another game, dang it! They left us on a cliffhanger! On the bright side, there's technically no reason we can't still get Isaac or Shadow later on since AT's could possibly be upgraded.

Geno fans are far from the most overlooked in terms of Smash history. As I mentioned earlier, Wars is a first-party series with 12 games that debuted on the Famicon and it doesn’t get a single thing in Ultimate. Sakurai & Smash don’t owe any fanbase anything, and thinking otherwise is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I am going to ask the burning question of our time, and that is...

What material will Sephiroth's stage be made out of for Steve to collect? My guess is stone.

Pure Evil.
When Steve collects it, he immediately becomes the Enderman.

 

[Momotsuki]

Geno fans are fine. Toxic fans are annoying. Every character with support has them, including Geno and a plethora of others.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'll definitely chime in and say Smash Run is better than Subspace Emissary. The latter has some novel cutscenes and a few interesting bosses but the rest of it is a slog. As someone who's greatly enjoys both 2D platformers and beat em ups, its remarkable how underwhelming most of the experience actually is. The level design is a poor man's Kirby a lot of the time and even the originality of the enemies can't make up for the fact that the entire appeal of such a mode was playing as the likes of Mario and fighting Metroids in Hyrule. The crossover element is neutered because the settings become blandly nice and the foes stop resembling anything from the franchises' libraries.

The cutscenes are fondly remembered because they get the central concept right (wow, Pikachu and Samus working together!) far more than the actual gameplay does.

Novel! Ouch. The gameplay was terrible, but those cutscenes literally helped me cope with my fathers death (timing wise, not relevancy wise. He didn't die in an epic battle to save the world. Well... I don't think that's what happened).

Subspace Emissary tried too hard to not repeat the classic mode from Melee (adventure mode? Whichever it was called), which made it suffer as a result. I'd easily take a hybrid of Melee and Subspace.

Or.... honestly.... just make a Smash Bros movie. Please. If I thought the age of Superhero movies were great, the upcoming age of Video Game movies is giving me a run for my money. Sonic and Detective Pikachu were far better than Iron Man 1. Fight me on it.

 

[SvartWolf]

If someone can put a single good arguement against geno i will relent talking about him.

Better choices. I'm not saying Geno is a bad choice. there are simply other priorities and limited resources. end of story.
Look... my most wanted right now is morrigan.. but im not gonna despair if we end with monster hunter or chun li instead. withouth discreediting all the strong points morrigan has ( i think she has tons) simply monster hunter or chun li were deemed better choices by the people calling the shots.

K. Rool got pretty unceremoniously costumed half-way through the ballot and let’s not forget the Great Pyrosphere Debacle, where Pyrosphere was revealed at the start of Smash U’s PoTD and Ridley the Stageboss was only confirmed in the Final Smash Direct (or was that just the shadow-tease?)

”Sakurai owes us, the fanbase, a playable character, otherwise he’s baiting a very big and angry fanbase” has never held up and saying otherwise after aforementioned examples as well as some of the ATs returning very late in Smash Ultimate‘s lifespan feels weird, especially if Sepiroth was in negotiation for a long time and the Geno costume being “late” isn’t deliberate blue-balling, but an unfortunate timing when the Square character just took their sweet time.

As far as Shadow-the-Echo-hog goes, Daisy’s problem was that Peach’s moveset had things Daisy didn’t do in canon before, but Daisy also didn’t have any must-haves in her moveset aside from Flower Power, which was worked in neatly. Shadow’s Chaos and Dixie’s Floating are things that are heavily tied to the character to the point where not having those elements in the set feels weird.

Not sure how Dark Samus fits this view, she did different attacks as AT but I’m not sure how iconic they were to her aside from being Phazon-imbued

I still want for samus to be reworked to feel more like in a metroid game and dark samus to get dr.marioed though...

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

it's funny how only a certain few toxic people you would expect never give respect to the iconic villain that is Sephiroth

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What’d I miss from last night?

 

[pupNapoleon]

I am going to say it, but people hate on World of Light too much.

I love WoL. I just cannot for the life of me navigate the board. It's like they got the creator of the Pac-Land stage to create the board.
Also... spirits in themselves are incredibly confusing. There is so much you can do with them (explore, upgrade, summon, multiple types of spirits) that it just becomes a bit confusing. Though I will say, it's still really cool to be learning about Smash 2 years later.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Shadow's an interesting case. He can easily be an echo, but it's awkward not having his chaos powers. However, he still has used them quite often more like a monk fighting than just things like projectiles and energy waves. Similar to how Dark Samus is, you can add Shadow's chaos stuff through animations. It's more awkward for him to punch instead of use chops, honestly. He's not a puncher as is. Sonic's moveset can easily be used, but it depends how many animations need changing before they feel they might as well go the whole route.

Whether he's an echo or not won't depend really much on "moveset potential", it'll depend upon how much work is required to get him feeling faithful enough in Sakurai's opinion(as well as what Sega wants, which is probably a part of why they aren't sure he's worth the hassle of licensing). That's not even counting costume issues either. We don't really know how Sega even feels about getting a second Sonic character. No matter who asks, they need to actually say yes. Would they say no? I doubt it, but that's always a possibility. Shadow might've been an echo candidate.

Also, I want to note that Dixie doesn't really "Float" so much as use her hair like a copter. Besides that, her hair abilities are fairly ease to recreate without even making her a clone or semi-clone. A key thing to note is that she just needs someone with a similar bodyframe to rip animations from/retool them. DK's own spin fills that mark, since they actually do have similar skeletons. Coincidentally Diddy no longer has his tail moves bar a get up attack, which is really easy to retool.

I'd rather have both as unique, but both can actually work as Echoes. Among the ones that were heavily discussed, Isabelle was the only one not possible to be an Echo outright that we know from experience. You can apply that to most Sonic characters(Shadow and Metal Sonic are the only ones with the actual same bodyshape), for an echo of Sonic.

 

[pupNapoleon]

On the topic of first parties, I don’t think we’re getting a Zelda rep. If that was the case you’d think they would have used a different Mii Costume for the pass bonus and saved the Ancient Armor outfit to coincide with Impa or whoever. So if we do get a 1st party I’d think it’d be someone like Bandana Dee, Rex, or a promotional character for a game we don’t know anything about yet. Maybe Waluigi if assists are on the table. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 3rd parties the rest of the way though given we already got Min Min.

Dragaux, the star of Ring Fit Adventure.
I'm tempted to say I want this more than Isaac and Balloon Fighter. (Though, Balloon Fighter really should make it, as a beautiful tribute to Sakurai's mentor, Iwata. He is the single character that I think can be said to 'deserve' a spot, simply on that fact).

 

[Joinallthreacs.smash]

Alright boys, I'm going to predict the fighter's pass. I will probably be horribly wrong but I'm going to try to predict the pass anyway

(9.): Rillaboom. I'm going to be generic and say that this will be the Gen 8 pokemon, to fill out the trinity with Greninja and Incinaroar. It would count as a whole new world with a Generation 8 stage and all that fun stuff. I know Sword and Shield had a spirit event but he wasn't in it, so he has a chance.

(10.): Reimu. A lot of people made there voice heard, and these people want Tohou in Smash. If it worked for Steve, maybe it worked for Reimu. Tohou is a bigger name then a lot of other potential fighters and would bring a massive franchise into Smash with a massively popular fighter.

(11.): Call of Duty. This one is a stretch but, Activision probably would have some say in negotiation, and they would probably try to push Call of Duty content hard, including maybe a fighter. This one may be Crash but when he comes Call of Duty will follow, maybe with a spirit event or a Mii costume. I could see Call of Duty even become a fighter if Activision pushed hard enough. Also Call of Duty is definitely a large enough name that would net it attention from Nintendo.

So that's my predication for the rest of the pass. We'll see if i'm wrong.

 

[TheTuninator]

On the topic of first parties, I don’t think we’re getting a Zelda rep. If that was the case you’d think they would have used a different Mii Costume for the pass bonus and saved the Ancient Armor outfit to coincide with Impa or whoever. So if we do get a 1st party I’d think it’d be someone like Bandana Dee, Rex, or a promotional character for a game we don’t know anything about yet. Maybe Waluigi if assists are on the table. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 3rd parties the rest of the way though given we already got Min Min.

IMO people continue to sleep massively on the possibility of more Splatoon reps. If we were to get another 1st party rep I think they’d actually be at the front of the line. The series is one of the best-selling titles of the Switch, as well as one of Nintendo’s most successful new IPs in ages, but only has 1 rep, and that rep is only for Splatoon 1 content. Octoling or Pearl & Marina could easily be done completely distinct from Inkling as Splatoon 2 reps using Splatoon 2 content and should not be overlooked.

 

[pupNapoleon]

If someone can put a single good arguement against geno i will relent talking about him.

I'll take this bait, since it's been brought into this thread and not the Church of Geno thread.

The Geno audience is generally terrible. And I know that's a generalization, but it is the SINGLE THREAD in this entire forum where you cannot go and say anything possibly seen as negative, and the moderators both allow and enforce it. I like the character, and was told I was 'trolling' for thinking he makes sense as a PreMiium. The thread is a cult, and it's treated as one. You are not allowed to say anything but the gospel of the thread, in the manner that others' deem worthy.

Just because he isn't in doesn't mean he shouldn't be in especially over a potted plant and anime swordfighter number 12

At this point, I've determined you came in here to cause a ruckus. I'm just reporting the posts now.

 

[SvartWolf]

Shadow's an interesting case. He can easily be an echo, but it's awkward not having his chaos powers. However, he still has used them quite often more like a monk fighting than just things like projectiles and energy waves. Similar to how Dark Samus is, you can add Shadow's chaos stuff through animations. It's more awkward for him to punch instead of use chops, honestly. He's not a puncher as is. Sonic's moveset can easily be used, but it depends how many animations need changing before they feel they might as well go the whole route.

Whether he's an echo or not won't depend really much on "moveset potential", it'll depend upon how much work is required to get him feeling faithful enough in Sakurai's opinion(as well as what Sega wants, which is probably a part of why they aren't sure he's worth the hassle of licensing). That's not even counting costume issues either. We don't really know how Sega even feels about getting a second Sonic character. No matter who asks, they need to actually say yes. Would they say no? I doubt it, but that's always a possibility. Shadow might've been an echo candidate.

Also, I want to note that Dixie doesn't really "Float" so much as use her hair like a copter. Besides that, her hair abilities are fairly ease to recreate without even making her a clone or semi-clone. A key thing to note is that she just needs someone with a similar bodyframe to rip animations from/retool them. DK's own spin fills that mark, since they actually do have similar skeletons. Coincidentally Diddy no longer has his tail moves bar a get up attack, which is really easy to retool.

I'd rather have both as unique, but both can actually work as Echoes. Among the ones that were heavily discussed, Isabelle was the only one not possible to be an Echo outright that we know from experience. You can apply that to most Sonic characters(Shadow and Metal Sonic are the only ones with the actual same bodyshape).

every echo character could have worked as an independent character... even dark pit and richter. i have no doubt that shadow could work as an independent character. but he also could work as a echo... in sonic adventure 2, his most iconic appearence as a co protagonist none the less, he was a sonic echo. Different run, animations, and maybe one different move to ackonwledge his chaos power.. and he is ready.

If we need to justify shadow as a stand alone character, we need to ask ourselves too.. why not eggman instead?

 

[Joinallthreacs.smash]

IMO people continue to sleep massively on the possibility of more Splatoon reps. If we were to get another 1st party rep I think they’d actually be at the front of the line. The series is one of the best-selling titles of the Switch, as well as one of Nintendo’s most successful new IPs in ages, but only has 1 rep, and that rep is only for Splatoon 1 content. Octoling or Pearl & Marina could easily be done completely distinct from Inkling as Splatoon 2 reps using Splatoon 2 content and should not be overlooked.

Getting another Splatoon character seems pretty likely, but there are probably bigger things at the moment inside Ninetndo. Still I do think more Splatoon can happen.

Captain Cuttlefish for the win.

 

[Joinallthreacs.smash]

I'll take this bait, since it's been brought into this thread and not the Church of Geno thread.

The Geno audience is generally terrible. And I know that's a generalization, but it is the SINGLE THREAD in this entire forum where you cannot go and say anything possibly seen as negative, and the moderators both allow and enforce it. I like the character, and was told I was 'trolling' for thinking he makes sense as a PreMiium. The thread is a cult, and it's treated as one. You are not allowed to say anything but the gospel of the thread, in the manner that others' deem worthy.

Geno is cool and all, but there is only one Mario character I want them to add, and he is INFINITLY MORE AWESOME then Geno.

GODDAM TOAD BABYE

 

[TheTuninator]

Getting another Splatoon character seems pretty likely, but there are probably bigger things at the moment inside Ninetndo. Still I do think more Splatoon can happen.

Captain Cuttlefish for the win.

Idk if there’s that much stuff bigger. I think people often don’t realize how well Splatoon 2 actually sold. It’s a solid Tier 2 Nintendo franchise right now and blew far past the sales numbers of DK, Kirby, Star Fox, and other series that people often call for more reps for. Splatoon 2 was a huge hit, and relative to its overall size and success, the series is easily the most under-represented 1st party Ninty series right now. It doesn’t NEED more reps, of course, since Inkling gets the job done fine, but it should always be at the top of the list in convos about more 1st-party reps (kind of like how we got Byleth since FE3H was recent and such a success even though FE had plenty of reps already).

 

[Joinallthreacs.smash]

Idk if there’s that much stuff bigger. I think people often don’t realize how well Splatoon 2 actually sold. It’s a solid Tier 2 Nintendo franchise right now and blew far past the sales numbers of DK, Kirby, Star Fox, and other series that people often call for more reps for. Splatoon 2 was a huge hit, and relative to its overall size and success, the series is easily the most under-represented 1st party Ninty series right now. It doesn’t NEED more reps, of course, since Inkling gets the job done fine, but it should always be at the top of the list in convos about more 1st-party reps (kind of like how we got Byleth since FE3H was recent and such a success even though FE had plenty of reps already).

Oh sorry, by Bigger I mean more recent/needs to be promoted. Splatoon 2 is big yes I know, but I don't know if they'd call for another Character, who would they add?

Probably The Squid Sisters to be honest but I'd be down for DJ Octavio.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

every echo character could have worked as an independent character... even dark pit and richter. i have no doubt that shadow could work as an independent character. but he also could work as a echo... in sonic adventure 2, his most iconic appearence as a co protagonist none the less, he was a sonic echo. Different run, animations, and maybe one different move to ackonwledge his chaos power.. and he is ready.

If we need to justify shadow as a stand alone character, we need to ask ourselves too.. why not eggman instead?

I'm aware anyone could theoretically be unique. I'm not sure what the point is other than trying to downplay Shadow as an idea to push Eggman? I don't feel there's any fruit to that kind of argument. So I'm really not going to debate that point, honestly. They're both cool and iconic characters with merits to get in.

 

[Guynamednelson]

fill out the trinity

That's not how it works. Pokemon choices are determined by what TPC wants to market the **** out of, and their marketing is not based on a Smash fan's idea of balance.

 

[ForsakenM]

I'll take this bait, since it's been brought into this thread and not the Church of Geno thread.

The Geno audience is generally terrible. And I know that's a generalization, but it is the SINGLE THREAD in this entire forum where you cannot go and say anything possibly seen as negative, and the moderators both allow and enforce it. I like the character, and was told I was 'trolling' for thinking he makes sense as a PreMiium. The thread is a cult, and it's treated as one. You are not allowed to say anything but the gospel of the thread, in the manner that others' deem worthy.

Hey bud, so first off gonna say we aren't all like that, though after recent events I'm starting to think there are more who are than I thought, but not a majority.

Second, you don't come into any character support thread and say "I think your character has a much better chance of being a Deluxe/Premium Mii Costume than playable!" and expect good results. This is much less effective when the character has been requested for as long as Geno has, you are bound to get some sort of negative feedback. Not sure why you would think otherwise, even if the evidence adds up like it did for me with the sudden change with Suda, and I never went to the Travis thread to tell them I thought he was getting costumed.

We are just as dedicated as any other fandom, maybe a bit more so, and when you can't go anywhere on social media and just talk about your love for a character without people attacking your character like the toxic fandom Smash is, you tend to take shelter in the one place you can and push all negativity out of that one place.

Cult? No. Safespace and Echo Chamber? Yes, although every support thread is offered this here.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I "just said" that you don't understand because I had already made a "contrary point" and you disregarded it without a second thought, using justifications which, as I stated, belie a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. I can keep quoting what I've already said for as long as you want to pretend that it doesn't matter, does that sound good?

There isn't anything else to say. This is like you trying to make an argument that the sky is red, me telling you that it's blue, and then you insisting that it's red. **** dude, the fact that you have to pull references from Wikipedia demonstrates how little understanding of this character you actually have. Maybe go play some of the games he was in before Sega relegated him to guest appearances at Sonic's birthday party, read some of the comics he was part of, get a better feel of the topic you're talking about than a glance at his playstyle and game mechanics.

It's not like I'm even making the argument that he is entirely different or shouldn't borrow any moves from Sonic at all. All I've stated was that disregarding his affinity for Chaos energy is not in service to his character.

I didn't disregard it, I cited sources that support my claim that he is 'Dark Sonic.'
But we can drop it. I likewise feel you're trying to tell me 2 + 2 = 47.

Hey bud, so first off gonna say we aren't all like that, though after recent events I'm starting to think there are more who are than I thought, but not a majority.

Second, you don't come into any character support thread and say "I think your character has a much better chance of being a Deluxe/Premium Mii Costume than playable!" and expect good results. This is much less effective when the character has been requested for as long as Geno has, you are bound to get some sort of negative feedback. Not sure why you would think otherwise, even if the evidence adds up like it did for me with the sudden change with Suda, and I never went to the Travis thread to tell them I thought he was getting costumed.

We are just as dedicated as any other fandom, maybe a bit more so, and when you can't go anywhere on social media and just talk about your love for a character without people attacking your character like the toxic fandom Smash is, you tend to take shelter in the one place you can and push all negativity out of that one place.

Cult? No. Safespace and Echo Chamber? Yes, although every support thread is offered this here.

I've gone into plenty of rooms and read people say that they think the character should be a preMiium. I've read it in Rayman's thread, I've read it Hollow Knight's thread, and I've read it elsewhere. The rules for the Geno thread do not follow the guidelines of Smashboards, and it isn't as if I am the sole example of this happening in the Geno thread. The idea of a support thread is to support the character. The fact of the matter is that it's not safe to support the character how I want to support him, it's that the thread dictates, in that thread solely, that only how they want to support the character is 'acceptable.'

And if this is unacceptable, the rules of Smashboards need to be rewritten, because it does not violate them.

That said, I appreciate your friendly tone.


EDIT: However, I don't appreciate the phrasing you used in the underlined portion. I don't consider him other people's character. I consider him my character as well. Perhaps this is where the difference lies. I don't see it as an 'us versus them.' I see it as a support thread where I support a character.

 

[TheTuninator]

Oh sorry, by Bigger I mean more recent/needs to be promoted. Splatoon 2 is big yes I know, but I don't know if they'd call for another Character, who would they add?

Probably The Squid Sisters to be honest but I'd be down for DJ Octavio.

Ah, I understand! That’s certainly a fair point. IMO both Octoling and Pearl/Marina are very solid candidates, as you’d want the new rep to be a Splatoon 2 rep.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Ok but the real best Splatoon secondary rep is

you were expecting DJ Octavio right?

nope! Commander Tartar

looks like Sephiroth has competition in the “how many people you’ve killed” department lmao

 

[RileyXY1]

That's not how it works. Pokemon choices are determined by what TPC wants to market the **** out of, and their marketing is not based on a Smash fan's idea of balance.

Yeah. I highly doubt that Sakurai, Nintendo, or TPC care about balancing the roster like that.

 

[Mapusaurus]

Thoughts on a league character in smash? There was a leak a while back.

 

[Joinallthreacs.smash]

Ah, I understand! That’s certainly a fair point. IMO both Octoling and Pearl/Marina are very solid candidates, as you’d want the new rep to be a Splatoon 2 rep.

True true, but the thing is Octotling would probably be an echo fighter of Inkling, but they could make them different by using more weapons the Inklings dont.

Whatever they end up doing tho, I'm gonna be down for it.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Thoughts on a league character in smash? There was a leak a while back.

I think it could happen. League helped shaped the eSports scene after all.

and I’m sure Sakurai would want to acknowledge that even if Nintendo doesn’t want to

 

[Deleted member]

Idk if there’s that much stuff bigger. I think people often don’t realize how well Splatoon 2 actually sold. It’s a solid Tier 2 Nintendo franchise right now and blew far past the sales numbers of DK, Kirby, Star Fox, and other series that people often call for more reps for. Splatoon 2 was a huge hit, and relative to its overall size and success, the series is easily the most under-represented 1st party Ninty series right now. It doesn’t NEED more reps, of course, since Inkling gets the job done fine, but it should always be at the top of the list in convos about more 1st-party reps (kind of like how we got Byleth since FE3H was recent and such a success even though FE had plenty of reps already).

Main difference between Splatoon and FE is that Fire Emblem has a rotating cast, so it’s not like you can say the newest game is represented by Marth when he doesn’t even appear in it. Of course there’s also the factor of Corrin/Byleth being from recent releases and were developed before their games even came out to cross promote. Three Houses could’ve been a critical and commercial flop and we still would’ve ended up with Byleth.

That’s not to say a Splatoon character can’t happen (they are pretty high on the list of potential first parties), but there is a reason they aren’t thrown around as much as new Pokémon, Xenoblade, or insert 2021 release here characters.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

You know, I'm also going to do my predictions on the rest of the Fighters Pass. I'm going to be wrong because Sakurai and Nintendo never goes for anyone people expect.

(9) Monster Hunter/Dante (Releases in March): I think a Capcom character has a good chance to happen and these two are still the most likely in my eyes. Both of these guys have a lot going for them that's been said a dozen times before like with their recent games (MHW and DMC5) being massive successes. Dante's trailer could also be a sequel to Sephiroth's, where he's going against Sephiroth with references to Vergil due to their similar fighting style.

(10) Crash Bandicoot (Releases at E3): Mascot rivalry with Mario and Sonic, new games that came out meaning he's popular for a modern market as well, he's a western rep that's known in Japan which is pretty rare and he's really popular with the Smash audience and it does seem that they take modern popularity into account like with the Sans Mii Costume.

(11) Raiden (Releases around September): This one needs the most justifying so I'll try to explain my points. SharkLord had a theory that they would end the pass with a Metal Gear character because they started all 3rd parties in Ultimate with Everyone is Here which was the reveal of Snake coming back (Or just Snake being the first third party all the way going back to Brawl). It was pretty crackpot at first, but after Sephiroth's been revealed and we can have more fighters from 3rd party franchises that aren't Echo Fighters, it seems more likely now to happen and it would be a great way to end Ultimate overall. Outside of that, Konami seems pretty receptive to their content being in Smash considering how we got Metal Gear returning and Castlevania being a newcomer series with over 30 tracks for Castlevania, as well as a Bomberman assist trophy. The only thing holding a Konami rep like Raiden back would be that they didn't put the Bomberman Mii Costume with a Konami character. In that case, then I expect the rep to go towards Dr. Eggman instead.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Novel! Ouch. The gameplay was terrible, but those cutscenes literally helped me cope with my fathers death (timing wise, not relevancy wise. He didn't die in an epic battle to save the world. Well... I don't think that's what happened).

Subspace Emissary tried too hard to not repeat the classic mode from Melee (adventure mode? Whichever it was called), which made it suffer as a result. I'd easily take a hybrid of Melee and Subspace.

Or.... honestly.... just make a Smash Bros movie. Please. If I thought the age of Superhero movies were great, the upcoming age of Video Game movies is giving me a run for my money. Sonic and Detective Pikachu were far better than Iron Man 1. Fight me on it.

I definitely understand why the cutscenes are so beloved and even a dozen years after the game's release, they still out as a pretty decent example of nonverbal storytelling. I used the term novel in the sense I think the iconography of the characters and battles is what the initial wow factor was and why there is so much justified sentiment to them even now.

However, I'm always reminded of Sakurai disliking that people were looking up the cutscenes and that being a major reason as to why he didn't try something of that scope again. I think part of the issue was that story progression in them was the best possible reward for continued progress in Subspace Emissary and that if you saw them by other means, a lot of the motivation in continuing to play the mode proper dropped quite a bit. They're a memorable feature of Brawl and easily the most fondly remembered element of the game, but in some ways the achievement of its narrative cannot be entirely disassociated from the very flawed experience of playing attached to it.

Subspace Emissary to me is a lot like the stories in 1999-2009 Sonic titles; I get why the mean so much to their fans, and those releases having real heart of their characters and plots has allowed them to endure a great deal. Its just that they accompanied gameplay that was very often dubiously executed and renders that time period as a very mixed bag then and when going back to it.

 

[Momotsuki]

Octolings felt like an echo shoe-in and I'm kinda surprised that never transpired. No signs of an echo pass, and having a fighter that works as such get a spot on a pass that may very well be our last - feels a bit odious.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

There is this V tuber whos avatar is a Velociraptor and it was one of the best reations to Sephiroth I have ever seen