Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

Have you considered just playing Smash, rather than endlessly speculating about it?

Just a thought.

I am not saying speculation is wrong. I am just saying that endlessly speculating while not playing Smash just feels wrong.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh lord Sephiroth is bound to be popular amongst modders for one single reason.
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As if this ******* wasn't homoerotic enough already

All those belts aren’t doing him any favors

 

[KillerCage]

I am very excited for this Sephiroth presentation. He looks extremely fun.

But oh boy... If the Geno costume does show up...

I would be more worried if the Geno Costume DOESN'T show up...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Oh lord Sephiroth is bound to be popular amongst modders for one single reason.
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As if this ******* wasn't homoerotic enough already

Fam you made me check my calendar to make sure it wasn’t the year 2003

 

[zeldasmash]

It's legitimately easier to understand Calculus than it is to understand how Most RPGs number their games.

I don't blame you for getting confused. Final Fantasy is infamous for being very convoluted with their plots for the sake of scope and grandeur.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright. I know I don't shut up about my predictions, but I have to do this. I want to make the reasons why I support these predictions.

DISCLAIMER: Please do not think I am expecting to be correct. I will most likely not be correct, as Smash has been proven to be nothing but surprises. I will say that SharkLord brought up a good point about how we have constantly hyped up characters as super likely, and they never get in. I agree. However, I just want to throw in my two cents based off the merits of the following three:

CP9: Monster Hunter, March

This one I am the most confident in by far. First off, we still have the Monster Hunter Mii costumes left from Smash 4. Second of all, the next batch of Smash amiibos come out on the same exact day as Monster Hunter: Rise does. The release dates of amiibos tend to pinpoint the next character, as it has done this repeatedly in the past. Nintendo is also pushing Monster Hunter quite heavily, almost in a similar fashion to Dragon Quest XI S. Monster Hunter even got its own direct for crying out loud. Monster Hunter is also Capcom's most popular series, and is one of the most popular series in Japan. Sephiroth destroyed the fan rule of no second representatives from third party series as DLC, and Monster Hunter is represented in Smash. So, Monster Hunter definitely has a lot of things going for them.

CP10: Ryu Hayabusa, E3 2021

Ryu Hayabusa has circulated around Ultimate speculation, a lot. However, something interesting has happened. Vergeben, a leaker who has gotten nearly everything correct, has claimed that Koei Tecmo is in talks with Nintendo. Ryu Hayabusa is a pretty iconic retro character, and Koei Tecmo's most iconic character. Considering that Koei Tecmo has helped immensely with Three Houses, and Breath of the Wild: Age of Calamity, it is safe to say that Nintendo and Koei Tecmo are quite close.

CP11: Rex, September-October

I expect a first party to end FP2, as this pattern has happened in Smash 4 with Corrin (Bayonetta was with them to be fair), FP1 with Byleth, and now we are currently in FP2. I do not think we are only going to get one first party, and we could very well get a second one. Now, I feel like Rex has some things going for him. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was very succesful, and is quite popular in Japan. In fact, according to Shroob, Rex is the most wanted character in Japan. Please feel free to correct me. Sakurai has also played Xenoblade Chronicles 2 before. Now one roadblock is the Rex Mii costume. However, this came before FP1, and Sakurai couldn't get Rex in the base roster due to time constraints. This shows that Rex was actually considered for the base roster, but Sakurai didn't have time. Hero and Steve were also considered for base roster, but they became DLC later on. I feel like if Smash wanted to represent a new first party game, then Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is one of the largest that is left. Similar to the case of Monster Hunter, Sephiroth broke the "No second third party representatives for DLC" rule. While Rex isn't a third party, this does show that any series in Smash can get a second representative. Plus, Byleth got in as a DLC character, and they are a Fire Emblem character, well represented in Smash.


Okay, there are my few cents on the last three DLC characters. I hope you enjoyed! Feedback is heavily appreciated.

 

[I.D.]

Alright, I finished a long post.

I am just waiting for the next page to turn, as I don't want my post to end up on the bottom of the page.



To be fair, that was long ago.

Here I'll lend you a hand by attempting to clarify this tournament thing one last time

The reason why people predicted Steve was around the corner is because the in-game news site started to announce tournament events out of order
Which implies that a tournament was skipped
Which implies a new character is coming as new characters come with their own themed tournaments
If a random tourney with blue characters appears it doesn't mean all future blue characters are decoonfirmed
If a random tourney with blue characters appeared which was stepping in front of other tournaments it could mean that blue characters are decoonfirmed as the next character only specifically

Nothing more to it

 

[Deleted member]

Here I'll lend you a hand by attempting to clarify this tournament thing one last time

The reason why people predicted Steve was around the corner is because the in-game news site started to announce tournament events out of order
Which implies that a tournament was skipped
Which implies a new character is coming as new characters come with their own themed tournaments
If a random tourney with blue characters appears it doesn't mean all future blue characters are decoonfirmed
If a random tourney with blue characters appeared which was stepping in front of other tournaments it could mean that blue characters are decoonfirmed as the next character only specifically

Nothing more to it

You have the wrong number, patternGOD.

Fam you made me check my calendar to make sure it wasn’t the year 2003

2003 was the year I was born, lol.

 

[I.D.]

You have the wrong number, patternGOD.

I was trying to get to next page faster but was too slow lol

 

[pupNapoleon]

Oh lord Sephiroth is bound to be popular amongst modders for one single reason.
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As if this ******* wasn't homoerotic enough already

I'm a lot more excited now for Sephiroth. I was having some difficulty building the hype for him.

 

[Mapusaurus]

I would be more worried if the Geno Costume DOESN'T show up...

There is some solace in the fact geno would be basically confirmed if it is missing. So here's hoping.

 

[I.D.]

In fact, according to Shroob, Rex is the most wanted character in Japan. Please feel free to correct me.

I don't know about most wanted but after Nintendo announced a character reveal at the game awards he started trending in Japan for the whole day

 

[pupNapoleon]

Here I'll lend you a hand by attempting to clarify this tournament thing one last time

The reason why people predicted Steve was around the corner is because the in-game news site started to announce tournament events out of order
Which implies that a tournament was skipped
Which implies a new character is coming as new characters come with their own themed tournaments
If a random tourney with blue characters appears it doesn't mean all future blue characters are decoonfirmed
If a random tourney with blue characters appeared which was stepping in front of other tournaments it could mean that blue characters are decoonfirmed as the next character only specifically

Nothing more to it

I mean... I fully agree with you...

but according to fan made law, Sephiroth doesn't have headgear.
So.... obviously you're completely wrong in every way.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Alright. I know I don't shut up about my predictions, but I have to do this. I want to make the reasons why I support these predictions.

DISCLAIMER: Please do not think I am expecting to be correct. I will most likely not be correct, as Smash has been proven to be nothing but surprises. I will say that SharkLord brought up a good point about how we have constantly hyped up characters as super likely, and they never get in. I agree. However, I just want to throw in my two cents based off the merits of the following three:

CP9: Monster Hunter, March

This one I am the most confident in by far. First off, we still have the Monster Hunter Mii costumes left from Smash 4. Second of all, the next batch of Smash amiibos come out on the same exact day as Monster Hunter: Rise does. The release dates of amiibos tend to pinpoint the next character, as it has done this repeatedly in the past. Nintendo is also pushing Monster Hunter quite heavily, almost in a similar fashion to Dragon Quest XI S. Monster Hunter even got its own direct for crying out loud. Monster Hunter is also Capcom's most popular series, and is one of the most popular series in Japan. Sephiroth destroyed the fan rule of no second representatives from third party series as DLC, and Monster Hunter is represented in Smash. So, Monster Hunter definitely has a lot of things going for them.

CP10: Ryu Hayabusa, E3 2021

Ryu Hayabusa has circulated around Ultimate speculation, a lot. However, something interesting has happened. Vergeben, a leaker who has gotten nearly everything correct, has claimed that Koei Tecmo is in talks with Nintendo. Ryu Hayabusa is a pretty iconic retro character, and Koei Tecmo's most iconic character. Considering that Koei Tecmo has helped immensely with Three Houses, and Breath of the Wild: Age of Calamity, it is safe to say that Nintendo and Koei Tecmo are quite close.

CP11: Rex, September-October

I expect a first party to end FP2, as this pattern has happened in Smash 4 with Corrin (Bayonetta was with them to be fair), FP1 with Byleth, and now we are currently in FP2. I do not think we are only going to get one first party, and we could very well get a second one. Now, I feel like Rex has some things going for him. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was very succesful, and is quite popular in Japan. In fact, according to Shroob, Rex is the most wanted character in Japan. Please feel free to correct me. Sakurai has also played Xenoblade Chronicles 2 before. Now one roadblock is the Rex Mii costume. However, this came before FP1, and Sakurai couldn't get Rex in the base roster due to time constraints. This shows that Rex was actually considered for the base roster, but Sakurai didn't have time. Hero and Steve were also considered for base roster, but they became DLC later on. I feel like if Smash wanted to represent a new first party game, then Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is one of the largest that is left. Similar to the case of Monster Hunter, Sephiroth broke the "No second third party representatives for DLC" rule. While Rex isn't a third party, this does show that any series in Smash can get a second representative. Plus, Byleth got in as a DLC character, and they are a Fire Emblem character, well represented in Smash.


Okay, there are my few cents on the last three DLC characters. I hope you enjoyed! Feedback is heavily appreciated.

I have a similar line-up of characters, but I doubt the amiibo dates coinciding is a big thing that makes or break the character, I can see MH being FP10 as well with all the points you mentioned.
Aside from that, I think the last character is going to be even more recent than Xenoblade 2. Having Smash supported into potentially December 2021 can be capitalized on in a bigger way than harkening back to a game that only just missed out for base game. I think they can still happen, but I doubt it’d be on the basis of recency: In my opinion they could also be next as a breather, before E3 blows us away with FP10 and be considered more for their popularity.
Both Corrin’s and Byleth’s game were only out for six months iirc before being released in Smash, a threshold Rex has long passed if he is truly FP11. Age of Calamity or even an unreleased game seems more in line with the timing we’ve seen of the “shill picks”

 

[Garteam]

it's funny how only a certain few toxic people you would expect never give respect to the iconic villain that is Sephiroth

I don't think disagreeing with any character's inclusion, or any other decision in the game for that matter, automatically makes a fan toxic. Reasonable disagreement is a good thing and there are pros and cons to basically any inclusion or exclusion of content. When a franchise becomes a sacred cow and criticism is no longer permitted by the core fanbase, any pre-existing toxicity is accelerated and the products themselves tend to become stagnant or underwhelming.

Where disagreement in and of itself turns toxic is when the disagreeing fans begin to categorize their opposition as inherently unreasonable or caring. That's when you get things like "Sakurai doesn't care about us", "Only shills want this character", or "We're not getting what we're owed".

 

[pupNapoleon]

Alright. I know I don't shut up about my predictions, but I have to do this. I want to make the reasons why I support these predictions.

DISCLAIMER: Please do not think I am expecting to be correct. I will most likely not be correct, as Smash has been proven to be nothing but surprises. I will say that SharkLord brought up a good point about how we have constantly hyped up characters as super likely, and they never get in. I agree. However, I just want to throw in my two cents based off the merits of the following three:

CP9: Monster Hunter, March

This one I am the most confident in by far. First off, we still have the Monster Hunter Mii costumes left from Smash 4. Second of all, the next batch of Smash amiibos come out on the same exact day as Monster Hunter: Rise does. The release dates of amiibos tend to pinpoint the next character, as it has done this repeatedly in the past. Nintendo is also pushing Monster Hunter quite heavily, almost in a similar fashion to Dragon Quest XI S. Monster Hunter even got its own direct for crying out loud. Monster Hunter is also Capcom's most popular series, and is one of the most popular series in Japan. Sephiroth destroyed the fan rule of no second representatives from third party series as DLC, and Monster Hunter is represented in Smash. So, Monster Hunter definitely has a lot of things going for them.

CP10: Ryu Hayabusa, E3 2021

Ryu Hayabusa has circulated around Ultimate speculation, a lot. However, something interesting has happened. Vergeben, a leaker who has gotten nearly everything correct, has claimed that Koei Tecmo is in talks with Nintendo. Ryu Hayabusa is a pretty iconic retro character, and Koei Tecmo's most iconic character. Considering that Koei Tecmo has helped immensely with Three Houses, and Breath of the Wild: Age of Calamity, it is safe to say that Nintendo and Koei Tecmo are quite close.

CP11: Rex, September-October

I expect a first party to end FP2, as this pattern has happened in Smash 4 with Corrin (Bayonetta was with them to be fair), FP1 with Byleth, and now we are currently in FP2. I do not think we are only going to get one first party, and we could very well get a second one. Now, I feel like Rex has some things going for him. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was very succesful, and is quite popular in Japan. In fact, according to Shroob, Rex is the most wanted character in Japan. Please feel free to correct me. Sakurai has also played Xenoblade Chronicles 2 before. Now one roadblock is the Rex Mii costume. However, this came before FP1, and Sakurai couldn't get Rex in the base roster due to time constraints. This shows that Rex was actually considered for the base roster, but Sakurai didn't have time. Hero and Steve were also considered for base roster, but they became DLC later on. I feel like if Smash wanted to represent a new first party game, then Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is one of the largest that is left. Similar to the case of Monster Hunter, Sephiroth broke the "No second third party representatives for DLC" rule. While Rex isn't a third party, this does show that any series in Smash can get a second representative. Plus, Byleth got in as a DLC character, and they are a Fire Emblem character, well represented in Smash.


Okay, there are my few cents on the last three DLC characters. I hope you enjoyed! Feedback is heavily appreciated.

Can someone explain something about Mii Costume theory to me?
They were missing in the first pass.
So either, A- the second pass was planned from the beginning (And thusly, we are clearly fed PR nonsense, which is true of any company)
Or B- it doesn't matter at all
I don't see how one of these two things isn't a necessity.

(Also, unrelated, but due to the success of Resident Evil as a media- movie- franchise, it earns more for Capcom than MH).

ADDITIONALLY UNRELATED: Just wanna throw out the popularity of AC New Horizon, the release of Paper Mario, and the enormity that is Ring Fit.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

The fact that characters are rated on iconicness also causes discourse surrounding the newcomers to be like “How dare you not like this character, they’re objectively iconic and thus a good pick.”
Like, it was fine to not vibe with Min Min but feeling like Steve or Sepiroth are off in Smash gets you hit with some sales ratings or something like their appeal can and must be caught in numbers. I’ve seen a lot of “well if you don’t like him at least admit he’s super iconic and thus actually still objectively an amazing pick”

 

[3BitSaurus]

And if this AC fight recreation Trailer quality is of any indication.

...I just want to point out that I initially read this as "Animal Crossing" and was very confused for about 3 seconds.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

...I just want to point out that I initially read this as "Animal Crossing" and was very confused for about 3 seconds.

I also read it as Astral Chain and Assassin’s Creed

tfw no Jebaited emote

 

[kirbsmash]

adventure mode?

Yes, it is called that. There were alsoo Classic mode that plays like S,ash's 1p mode.

 

[Mapusaurus]

3BitSaurus Ahri would be cool but there are much better league reps like lee sin

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Also random thought, tournaments can’t be used to question the chances of characters anymore

Sephiroth missed the 90’s Tournament as he’s technically a 90’s character but he still made it

unless they’re somehow counting him as a 2010s character due to Remake which I doubt

Its almost like those tournaments meant nothing

 

[Faso115]

I'm a Bandicoot stan till the end and even if it skipped the VGAs, Crash doesnt need a big event to be announced in.

Feeling confident he will make it in

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

The fact that characters are rated on iconicness also causes discourse surrounding the newcomers to be like “How dare you not like this character, they’re objectively iconic and thus a good pick.”
Like, it was fine to not vibe with Min Min but feeling like Steve or Sepiroth are off in Smash gets you hit with some sales ratings or something like their appeal can and must be caught in numbers. I’ve seen a lot of “well if you don’t like him at least admit he’s super iconic and thus actually still objectively an amazing pick”

Well I aint sayin you gotta like Seph, Just put some respect on this iconic dudes name. Hell you can go "Yeah, he is a pretty bjg deal but I still dont like him" is fine by me

 

[drag0nscythe]

Given we have byleth and minmin. I think iconic does not matter. Just whom sakurai wants to put in. Iconic might be a helping factor, but that is it.

 

[Dinoman96]

Given we have byleth and minmin. I think iconic does not matter. Just whom sakurai wants to put in. Iconic might be a helping factor, but that is it.

Why say "whom Sakurai wants to put in" when we know it's Nintendo selecting the characters?

 

[Momotsuki]

I was previously a bit "meh" on Crash but I am now hoping that we see him, on account of selfish desires led by a carrot on a stick.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Why say "whom Sakurai wants to put in" when we know it's Nintendo selecting the characters?

Outside of steve, it was stated that Nintendo gave him a list and he choose from it. So, still sakurai.

 

[3BitSaurus]

3BitSaurus Ahri would be cool but there are much better league reps like lee sin

I still prefer Ahri, not just because I like her, but also because I think repping League with a mage makes the most sense.

Though I gotta say, if the "Mamma Mia" is any indication, I'd love to see what name the Smash community would give to the inSec.

 

[Momotsuki]

Is it a list, or is it case-by-case inquiries with Sakurai having veto power? Has that ever been clarified? Main reason a "list" doesn't make a lot of sense to me is because I'd imagine it means Nintendo would have been in talks with a myriad of studios, knowing only a handful will be put in the game at the discretion of Mr. Sakurai. Seems like a big waste of resources in comparison to asking Sakurai if he can do x fighter, and then moving to ask the IP holder about a potential inclusion once he's given the green light.

 

[ForsakenM]

I didn't disregard it, I cited sources that support my claim that he is 'Dark Sonic.'
But we can drop it. I likewise feel you're trying to tell me 2 + 2 = 47.


I've gone into plenty of rooms and read people say that they think the character should be a preMiium. I've read it in Rayman's thread, I've read it Hollow Knight's thread, and I've read it elsewhere. The rules for the Geno thread do not follow the guidelines of Smashboards, and it isn't as if I am the sole example of this happening in the Geno thread. The idea of a support thread is to support the character. The fact of the matter is that it's not safe to support the character how I want to support him, it's that the thread dictates, in that thread solely, that only how they want to support the character is 'acceptable.'

And if this is unacceptable, the rules of Smashboards need to be rewritten, because it does not violate them.

That said, I appreciate your friendly tone.


EDIT: However, I don't appreciate the phrasing you used in the underlined portion. I don't consider him other people's character. I consider him my character as well. Perhaps this is where the difference lies. I don't see it as an 'us versus them.' I see it as a support thread where I support a character.

I get where you are coming from, and as a Geno fan myself I appreciate the support, but having already gotten a costume before I'm personally fighting for him to be playable. Most character support is for them to be playable, not a skin for a moveset that doesn't represent them at all.

Much as I hate Fortnite, at least they let you customize more things than just skins, even having Unibeam and palm-based energy blasts you can equip instead of just Iron Man's skin. Getting a Mii Costume is essentially like just getting a skin in Fortnite, no other add ons, and just running around with the same weapons you would normally.

Now if it does so happen this Thursday that Geno's costume returns in some form, then I will be accepting of at least some form of representation outside of a spirit and an icon, unlike a lot of Geno fans and other Smash fans in general who see ATs or costumes as the worst thing ever. I'll be sad that it ended up that way after all this time, and I'll have questions about why they didn't just show it earlier or why we are getting another consolation prize after Sakurai admitted he's wanted him in for so long, but it will be my most-used Mii Costume to be sure.

 

[Mapusaurus]

Thoughts on this video
(1) Sephiroth Killed The Smash Speculation Scene... And That's Okay - YouTube

 

[7NATOR]

Is it a list, or is it "you should do this" with Sakurai having veto power? Has that ever been clarified?

Sakurai has really only said that Nintendo chose the DLC, and they come to him and say "Could you make this character". It hasn't been gone into Detail

Personally, I think Sakurai is more involved in the Process of the Character decision making than some people might make him out to be. I don't think it's just Nintendo telling him what to do, but it's an Actual Discussion and Conversation that goes on when Deciding Characters

 

[Mapusaurus]

I still prefer Ahri, not just because I like her, but also because I think repping League with a mage makes the most sense.

Though I gotta say, if the "Mamma Mia" is any indication, I'd love to see what name the Smash community would give to the inSec.

Im not sure, lee sin is the most played champ

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Thoughts on this video
(1) Sephiroth Killed The Smash Speculation Scene... And That's Okay - YouTube

I honestly agree tbh. Some people put too much stock in safe (imo) picks like Geno, MonHun, Dante, Master Chief, Hayabusa etc. just to name a few, and so far with the exception of Hero and Banjo who were leaked, we’ve been for the most part blindsided. I mean who would have predicted Joker, Terry (even though we knew an SNK character in general was coming), Steve, Byleth, Sephiroth and an ARMS rep in general?

ive learned to expect the unexpected, and speculation at large should be more open to more “off the wall” picks

Im not sure, lee sin is the most played champ

In all my time of playing League which ironically started just this year, I’ve not seen a single Lee Sin. I’ve seen lots of Jinx, Teemo, Miss Fortune, Riven, Yasuo, Lux, Ekko and Ezreal. Maybe it’s just my matchmaking tho

 

[Momotsuki]

I don't think it's just Nintendo telling him what to do, but it's an Actual Discussion and Conversation that goes on when Deciding Characters

Agreed, people seem to have this idea Nintendo is some big nebulous entity that can just demand Sakurai to put in any character the suits over there want. I'd wager it's a lot more of a discussion than that. Mr. Sakurai will gladly sass them in front of the entire internet, surely he's no doormat when it comes to deciding on who will join Smash. Do you really think a Nintendo exec brought up Terry Bogard to the SNK fanboy?

 

[pupNapoleon]

Well I aint sayin you gotta like Seph, Just put some respect on this iconic dudes name. Hell you can go "Yeah, he is a pretty bjg deal but I still dont like him" is fine by me

Eh... I think he'd have been more of a big deal in base game. As one of my prepaid DLC slots, I prefer new series.

 

[Mapusaurus]

I honestly agree tbh. Some people put too much stock in safe (imo) picks like Geno, MonHun, Dante, Master Chief, Hayabusa etc. just to name a few, and so far with the exception of Hero and Banjo who were leaked, we’ve been for the most part blindsided. I mean who would have predicted Joker, Terry (even though we knew an SNK character in general was coming), Steve, Byleth, Sephiroth and an ARMS rep in general?

ive learned to expect the unexpected, and speculation at large should be more open to more “off the wall” picks

In all my time of playing League which ironically started just this year, I’ve not seen a single Lee Sin. I’ve seen lots of Jinx, Teemo, Miss Fortune, Riven, Yasuo, Lux, Ekko and Ezreal. Maybe it’s just my matchmaking tho

I mean if you arent playing with junglers you wont see much lee sin plus he is pretty expensive

 

[pupNapoleon]

Why say "whom Sakurai wants to put in" when we know it's Nintendo selecting the characters?

I think that's a little BS. We have Terry and Joker. Clearly Sakurai has some level of say. It seems ignorant to just take some of his words at face value.

Is it a list, or is it case-by-case inquiries with Sakurai having veto power? Has that ever been clarified? Main reason a "list" doesn't make a lot of sense to me is because I'd imagine it means Nintendo would have been in talks with a myriad of studios, knowing only a handful will be put in the game at the discretion of Mr. Sakurai. Seems like a big waste of resources in comparison to asking Sakurai if he can do x fighter, and then moving to ask the IP holder about a potential inclusion once he's given the green light.

I just don't think it matters. It's personally insulting to me when the Nintendo fanbase pretends PR isn't a huge market. It's my job.
Nintendo has a PR team. Smash has a PR team. Sakurai has a PR team. It's without possibility that they don't. (In this case, with translation and cultural differences, it is actually, literally, impossible).

(To clarify- I unfortunately do not for Nintendo PR.... but yeah Spyro is in, and he is an echo of Ridley).

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I mean if you arent playing with junglers you wont see much lee sin plus he is pretty expensive

Eh fair enough, I often do mid, bottom or support. Top and Jungle are roles I rarely if ever use