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DarthEnderX

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If this is the endgame for Sora, I don't. I genuinely don't mind. It's absolutely fantastic, and It seems that it's the general feeling amongst Sora Fans. We're absolutely happy for Sephiroth
I mean...he IS a KH character...

Because they look awful and I'd rather they not be there if they're going to look awful.
Sans and Cuphead look great and I'm fine with those, but the continued pouring of modeling work into costumes for characters I do not like irks me.
I like that you think Miis are "work" and not something a modeler ****s out in an afternoon.

Mii costumes are a great consolation prize for characters.
 
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For Omnislash Version 5

I heard the idea that It might be based on whether you are in Limit Form or Not

So if you are in Regular Form, It's the Regular Omnislash

If you are in Limit Form, You do Version 5

Though I don't know how that would work with Regular FF7 Cloud though.
Final Smashes are already nigh one hit kill moves, they don't need to be enhanced further with limit, And you already brought up the fact it doesn't work with OG Cloud.

I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp for people that an alt costume has an altered final smash.
 

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C'mon, fighting 2 bosses ar once isn't taking up a boss slot. It's all reused assets.
As far as I know it's like Echo Fighters, they are separate entities in the code, but didn't really take as much effort to make.

I'll give the Hands a pass for beingicon. But we should had, like, Wily Machine, Arceus and Giygus instead of Galeom, Galeem and Dharkon.
Hmm...You might actually be able to make that work narratively, though for Arceus's side, you'd probably have to get kind of creative with something like Cyrus being the true villain and the creation trio being the actual boss you fight.

Not sure how well Gigas would work as a boss though since he doesn't have a tangible form and uses attacks that are just as nebulous. That combined with the fact that he's most well known for how you can't beat the crap out of him makes me think he's not all that suitable for a boss role.

Subspace didn't have a great plot, won't argue with that, but it's really not any worse than any other fighting game.

A story that revolves around dozens of characters bumping into one another and instantly rushing to beat the hell out of each other is never very conducive to a coherent, or at least sensible narrative. Pretty funny that the "generic robot" was the best character in the story, though.
True enough. Just to clarify though, what I meant by "making better use of its properties" was more aimed at the design of The World of Trophies, as well as the enemy encounters and stuff. Some of the areas are supposed to be existing levels like Skyworld, The Ruined Zoo, and the Halberd, but a lot of others are either only allusions to other areas like the castle Marth starts in, or just nondescript grasslands, deserts, factories, etc.

Smash Run had far better traits, such as enemies, and it sounds quite cool. However, I just adore the character interactions in Subspace Emissary.
They're not really comparable in that regard, as Smash Run isn't a story mode. They are a bit like apples and oranges, with the similarity between them being the beat 'em up mechanics.

So in your Opinion, what would you say is the Most time-Consuming (and I guess also expensive) part of Making a DLC character in Super Smash Bros Ultimate, there's stuff like

Modeling
Animating
Voice Work
Balancing
Stage

and etc
Balancing. There are too many characters for that to not be the answer. Otherwise it would depend on the character.


I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp for people that an alt costume has an altered final smash.
It's not a difficult concept to grasp, it's that 1.) it's unknown if this is the case or if there are some other requirements like Sephiroth being the victim of the attack, 2.) we don't know what this does mechanically, and 3.) this is the first time a character has ever been this majorly altered after the release of the game, and that will remain true even if it's just a different animation for flavor. Whatever the case, the implications are potentially pretty big.

EDIT: I say potentially since they could just outright say that this is an exception and that would be the end of that.
 
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I would loooove to see a Smash rep in this pass. Many people have bad taste and would be upset if this were to happen but really, I'd love it. Smash has earned the right to self-indulge a wee tad. Primid, anyone?
I think Galleom would make for a neat moveset. Of course, he'd be downsized to fit the size of the other Smash fighters.
 

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Yeah but it's already a foregone conclusion that none of the costumes will be a particularly good representation of the character on which they're based because they're just a skin.

At that point the best ones are those that can just hide that they're Miis.

If you all want to know how your Resident Square-Enix Nerd feel about Sephiroth in Smash?
Well, this should be enough.


Sakurai everytime he hear that a Character is "A never ever" or "Impossible"

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If this is the endgame for Sora, I don't. I genuinely don't mind. It's absolutely fantastic, and It seems that it's the general feeling amongst Sora Fans. We're absolutely happy for Sephiroth, probably because he gave us more anal boo boo than anything during our childhood, so...He was part of "our" memories too of a game we belove and fought for a character from to appear.

It's genuinely great. Even more as a complete SE nerd and fan. I love it! The trailer was amazing, it was epic, it has everything for a perfect reveal! Thanks you Sakurai!
I don't know if it's consolation or not that it seems like they did try to get Sora, perhaps on multiple occasions.

So they seemingly acknowledge his place among the roster, they just can't make it happen.

I suppose I would find that pretty bittersweet.

True enough. Just to clarify though, what I meant by "making better use of its properties" was more aimed at the design of The World of Trophies, as well as the enemy encounters and stuff. Some of the areas are supposed to be existing levels like Skyworld, The Ruined Zoo, and the Halberd, but a lot of others are either only allusions to other areas like the castle Marth starts in, or just nondescript grasslands, deserts, factories, etc.
Absolutely, I agree with the grievances that Subspace didn't make better use of the established worlds to which it had access, whether that came in the form of enemies or locations or whatever.

But even to this day Smash still likes to use generic locales when it doesn't really need to. ¯\(ツ)
 

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I don't know if it's consolation or not that it seems like they did try to get Sora, perhaps on multiple occasions.
So they seemingly acknowledge his place among the roster, they just can't make it happen.
I suppose I would find that pretty bittersweet.
If this rumour is true and that THEY DID try more than once to get Sora, who am I to not be happy?
They are trying, and who knows, one day he could be coming.
HECK for all we know, this pass being 6 character instead of 5 COULD be because they got him last minute in a Sonic in Brawl style situation.

You know, I'm just happy we got Sephiroth, I can rest knowing that Sora might not be in this pass, but who am I to just give up all hope? If it doesn't happens, I wont be sad, if It happens, I'll be the happiest! Win-Win situation for me. :4pacman:
 

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Not sure how well Gigas would work as a boss though since he doesn't have a tangible form and uses attacks that are just as nebulous. That combined with the fact that he's most well known for how you can't beat the crap out of him makes me think he's not all that suitable for a boss role.
Hey man. World of Light is about bringing 75 warriors together with the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP! Even Giygas can't stand against that!

Also...Kirby is there.
 
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It's not a difficult concept to grasp, it's that 1.) it's unknown if this is the case or if there are some other requirements like Sephiroth being the victim of the attack, 2.) we don't know what this does mechanically, and 3.) this is the first time a character has ever been this majorly altered after the release of the game, and that will remain true even if it's just a different animation for flavor. Whatever the case, the implications are potentially pretty big.

EDIT: I say potentially since they could just outright say that this is an exception and that would be the end of that.
It is known if that's the case if you just use common sense.

The animation involves the Fusion Sword splitting into its separate parts, something that's impossible with the original Buster Sword. Visually you can see every individual blade in the final smash

Sephiroth cannot be the only recipient of the attack when Smash is a game built around Free for Alls. It wouldn't make sense to make a wholly new final smash and limit to 1v1 encounters with the opponent picking a specific character. Programming Cloud to not use it if he catches someone else or someone on top of Sephiroth would be wasting resources to make him less flashy and less true to his character.

There would be no reason for it to change mechanically when the basic concept of knocking someone into the air and attacking with a barrage of attacks is the same.

It's new, but not exactly something that is even remotely implausible given characters like Ryu added a new precedent of a distance based final smash back in Smash 4. A character alt changing just the look would be even simpler than that. It's a new thing, easy as that.
 
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If this rumour is true and that THEY DID try more than once to get Sora, who am I to not be happy?
They are trying, and who knows, one day he could be coming.
HECK for all we know, this pass being 6 character instead of 5 COULD be because they got him last minute in a Sonic in Brawl style situation.

You know, I'm just happy we got Sephiroth, I can rest knowing that Sora might not be in this pass, but who am I to just give up all hope? If it doesn't happens, I wont be sad, if It happens, I'll be the happiest! Win-Win situation for me. :4pacman:
Well, if it has happened multiple times, it shows that they haven't given up, which is in itself reassuring that one day if and when they try again, it might go differently. I mean, they couldn't get Sonic the first time either.

It's funny though because I don't usually watch too many reaction videos, but I've got more time on my hands, and Sora has been the name I've heard people drop the most when the trailer first kicks off.

Which reinforces what I've said in the past that I do think the Smash fanbase specifically underestimates how popular he is with the general gaming populace. Which is usually the one Nintendo tries to court with DLC. Which then loops back around to their potential efforts thus far in acquiring him.
 

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What do you guys reckon the most likely indie character is? I'd probably say Hollow Knight since its yet to represented and has shown itself worthy of a sequel.
Besides the obvious indie games that constantly mention that their character should be a fighter for Smash like Touhou, Cave Story, or Shantae, etc. I go with:

Umihara Kawase (1994), the oldest indie platformer game and popular in the speed running community. Kawase have indeed appears in a crossover fighting game like Blade Strangers and/or the crossover puzzle game like Crystal Crisis. Her latest game is BaZooKa!! which was released in 2020, so she is still relevant.

Cotton: Fantastic Night Dream (1989/1991), the oldest indie cute 'em up side-strolling shooter that predate the Touhou series. Natta de Cotton appears as a fighter in Trouble Witches Origin and the aforementioned BaZooKa!!. Her latest game is reboot of the original game.


My personal favorite will always be Gunvolt from Azure Strikers Gunvolt.
 

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Well, if it has happened multiple times, it shows that they haven't given up, which is in itself reassuring that one day if and when they try again, it might go differently. I mean, they couldn't get Sonic the first time either.

It's funny though because I don't usually watch too many reaction videos, but I've got more time on my hands, and Sora has been the name I've heard people drop the most when the trailer first kicks off.

Which reinforces what I've said in the past that I do think the Smash fanbase specifically underestimates how popular he is with the general gaming populace. Which is usually the one Nintendo tries to court with DLC. Which then loops back around to their potential efforts thus far in acquiring him.
That's strange lol. Aside from the "Haha Jonesy" stuff, most of the reaction videos I saw thought it was Monster Hunter originally, this isn't even me pushing my March conspiracy stuff, lol. People saw the first few seconds and the arid, mountainous terrain and went "Monster Hunter?" before Galeem showed up.
 

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That's strange lol. Aside from the "Haha Jonesy" stuff, most of the reaction videos I saw thought it was Monster Hunter originally, this isn't even me pushing my March conspiracy stuff, lol. People saw the first few seconds and the arid, mountainous terrain and went "Monster Hunter?" before Galeem showed up.
Yeah, I've seen some of those. But I meant those who were just rattling off characters they hoped for, not who they were actually predicting based on the trailer.
 

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So is Eggman going to be the Next Frontrunner character?
He’s definitely going to get a lot of traction now. I think Sephiroth helped his chances greatly... but for the future past Fighters Pass 2, whether that’s a third pass or the next game.

I’d love to see Eggman since he’s my most wanted Sega character. But Sephiroth & Eggman sort of fill similar roles. None of the characters in FP1 have similar roles, while Min-Min/Steve/Seph don’t have any similarities either.

Though, I wouldn’t argue if the last three characters have similarities to the first ones. A Switch era character, a huge (Western?) gaming icon & an iconic villain (Eggman) would be cool to see more of.
 

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But even to this day Smash still likes to use generic locales when it doesn't really need to. ¯\(ツ)
It is getting better though. You can at least tell what or where a great deal the areas in World of Light are inspired by.

Hey man. World of Light is about bringing 75 warriors together with the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP! Even Giygas can't stand against that!
The idea of Dark Pit and Sephiroth having to make use of the power of friendship amuses me greatly.

The animation involves the Fusion Sword splitting into its separate parts, something that's impossible with the original Buster Sword.
They could take creative liberties and have Final Fantasy VII Cloud pull out the Fusion Sword whenever the conditions are met for the different animation to take place.

Sephiroth cannot be the only recipient of the attack when Smash is a game built around Free for Alls. It wouldn't make sense to make a wholly new final smash and limit to 1v1 encounters with the opponent picking a specific character.
Yes he can, even in free for all matches with other characters present. They could make it happen if the attack only hits Sephiroth or if it hits Sephiroth, and someone else as well. Making it this remote isn't exactly efficient, but neither is the modification in the first place. It might be remedying a missed opportunity with Cloud's Advent Children costume, or it could be to characterize him by having him go "yeah screw Sephiroth in particular".

There would be no reason for it to change mechanically when the basic concept of knocking someone into the air and attacking with a barrage of attacks is the same.
It could still work slightly differently. For example, if the hit count is different, the damage values would need to change to make it relatively the same strength. Or they could make it slightly more or less powerful for whatever reason.

It's new, but not exactly something that is even remotely implausible given characters like Ryu added a new precedent of a distance based final smash back in Smash 4. A character alt changing just the look would be even simpler than that.
I'm not saying that it absolutely isn't merely an alternate animation for an alternate costume. I'm saying that until they say so, we can't know that that is exactly what it is, or exactly what that even entails.
 

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Ok it surprised me how much it sounded real..
Here's the YouTube link:



If you actually read some of the comments from the OP, they don't try to hide it's not actually legit. One reply he calls it "A good emulation, but obviously fake at times."
 

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Also, looking back at it, I realized that literally NO Nintendo Account twitted about "No others characters will be revealed in this presentation" like they always do.
Do they think we learned?
Or
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The Japanese livestream has it on their page already.
Oh snap, it does! It does say after the 9th additional paid content!
Wait, 9th additional paid content? Do they count Piranah Plant? And Wait doesn't they just say "no new fighter will be revealed in this presentation" too usually?

What a weird wording this time but alright!
 

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Oh snap, it does! It does say after the 9th additional paid content!
Wait, 9th additional paid content? Do they count Piranah Plant? And Wait doesn't they just say "no new fighter will be revealed in this presentation" too usually?

What a weird wording this time but alright!
I believe someone cross referenced and Steve says 8th? They do count Plant afaik, which, makes sense since Plant is paid content and all.
 

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Yes he can, even in free for all matches with other characters present. They could make it happen if the attack only hits Sephiroth or if it hits Sephiroth, and someone else as well.
Wait up. Isn't Cloud's Omnislash textbox appeared when the move is initiated before he even hits an enemy and it's not always a guarantee hit, it wouldn't make sense for the textbox to appear for the second time in the cutscene only when you hit Sephiroth which might look really inconsistent and felt like a useless RNG when I know the damage of the attack is the same. Tbh, I only could see the Omnislash ver 5 only if you use his Advent Children costume and not just swap his sword to the Fusion Sword in the middle of initiating his Final Smash when wearing his FF7 alt, it's inconsistent.
 
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I at first thought Cloud's Final Smash was possibly a Sephiroth thing alone, but it honestly makes a lot more sense it's alt-specific. Of course, it'd work the same way as the other one outside of animations.

I agree with Idon. Though I don't really like "common sense" arguments. They aren't fun to real converse about, honestly. Best to just leave them be and focus on the actual points being made. It's just as bad as "It's obvious" arguments. If your points don't speak for themselves, then they clearly aren't that great of points. And considering my points aren't known for being "super great", well, that should speak for itself.
 

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History of Shadow: Created to be Dark Sonic.

I don't think they are identical, no. But then again, Dark Samus isn't much at all like Samus, Daisy cannot float or use Toads.... it's kind of just the job of an echo to compromise slightly so that they can make it in. Shadow is no more different than those examples.
This belies a fundamental misunderstanding of the character.
 
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I agree that Cloud's new Final Smash is most likely tied to his alternate costume, but until this is confirmed, we can't know for certain that that's the case. The reason I say this is because of Idon Idon 's tone, so I guess I would have gotten my point across by saying "nothing is confirmed. Stop calling people stupid."

Can people stop saying ARMS is dead now?
I think the deal was that while party mode still got you matches, ranked mode was pretty dead, which makes sense since most people aren't really into ARMS as a competitive game, but it's still a fun game. Now that's not much of an issue since the playerbase just grew.
 

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This belies a fundamental misunderstanding of the character.
The existence of clones is not predicated on providing the best representation possible of the character, it's to find a character that can function with another's moveset.

Can Shadow function under the framework of Sonic's moveset? Yes. Would it be the most faithful depiction? No. But that's not the point of clones.

People were raising the exact same points about Dark Samus prior to her getting in.
 

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Wrong thread, not sure how that happened.

I think my computer had a stroke.
 
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Is this the "we won't reveal the character after the 9th one" confusion because they're counting Piranha Plant again?

EDIT: Nintendo really needs to reword that. lol
Or maybe it just needs to be translated better.
Look at the tweet
People are very quick to point it out in the YouTube description
A handful of people "Oh, well, we'll see next week, it could be really interesting!"
Do these people not understand that no means no?
 
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