Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

It has cool fight choreographies and a very dumb plot I can't care to remember
It's mostly fanservice to be honest

If you are a FF fan, it’s fangasmic. Other than that, it’s mediocre. It’s a good flick. I personally idolize it lol

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Ayo hol up

so Sephiroth having a Galeem focus was to like complement Hero’s trailer having a Dharkon focus I guess

but where were the Galeem auras????

 

[PLATINUM7]

Haven't seen Advent Children but it must be better than Spirits Within.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

The next amiibo wave releases on march 26th, so its likely that our FP9 will be revealed by mid/late march. Around 3 months later than Sephiroth sounds fine.

FP10 can be an E3 reveal and lastly, FP11 a september direct reveal.

 

[Will]

me getting ready to main sephiroth

 

[Deleted member]

Steve and Alex: "Can we get McDonalds please?"
Sephiroth: "Yeah, I'll get you McDonalds."
Orders one black coffee for himself

 

[Spongeboob]

Hey what if Sephiroth and Banjo & Kazooie swapped settings for their reveal trailers? Banjo & Kazooie defeat Galeem and Sephiroth appears at the Kong Residence.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

There’s apparently a rumor going around on Japanese Internet that Sephiroth was always intended to be included as DLC in exchange for allowing Sakurai to bring back Cloud and that the deal was to withhold FF content for the base game and, instead, for DLC content in Pass 1 which was eventually moved to Pass 2.

Not sure if I believe it but it sounds possible.

Can't wait for them to add Tifa in order for them to be able to bring back both Cloud and Sephiroth in the next game!

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[The Stoopid Unikorn]

With Sephiroth confirmed and Geno most likely being a Mii Costume, we might actually see some more variety in this thread, because Godwin's Geno's Law is finally broken.

 

[Shroob]

me getting ready to main sephiroth

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I can never unsee this image now without "I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING!"

 

[Deleted member]

Weren’t there some Rare-related files in the game at launch? iirc it’s one of the reasons a lot of people thought we were getting Banjo.

 

[SirBillyBob]

Is Advent Children a good movie? I've never seen it or heard anything about it really, but it's clear that Sakurai likes it and I know his favorite JoJo part is Battle Tendency so he must have good tastes.

Ayo source? Need to confirm if Sakurai has taste.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I had an idea

what if Sephiroth comes with not only more FF7 music BUT ALSO more Square Enix music in general?

like from non-7 FFs, NieR Automata, Chrono, Star Ocean, TWEWY, and dare I say it

Super Mario RPG?

 

[PSIGuy]

Weren’t there some Rare-related files in the game at launch? iirc it’s one of the reasons a lot of people thought we were getting Banjo.

For Spirit franchises, yeah. IIRC those franchises were copyrighted by Nintendo for their Japanese releases like Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini, so they probably dropped them after doing some research and realizing they didn't have the rights to them the world over.

 

[Deleted member]

If you think Banjo was such an easy call, I think that's more indicative of overlooking the significance of the inclusion and the dearth of precedence for such a collaboration. Seemingly evidenced by your chalking him up as just "some old character no one was using".

Not using a character =/= being fine with your competition using a character.
Fans wanting a character =/= working with your competition to please them.
One influential person in the company being fine with collaboration =/= every other necessary party involved across rival companies being fine with it (and taking the steps to bring it to fruition). Especially when you consider one of those companies is the ultimate not-a-team-player, Nintendo.

You're right; I was considering him from an outsider's perspective. The perspective of every gamer who never played Banjo-Kazooie and just knew that its only history was with Nintendo outside of the failed Nuts & Bolts. If not for Smashboards, I never would have remembered that the series wasn't owned by Nintendo anymore since I haven't seen the game since 2008. 12 years ago now! To anyone outside the Smash and Nintendo scene in general, Banjo's inclusion really didn't seem like a surprise in the slightest; it felt natural like Simon & Megaman.

So again, I ask you. When you look objectively at all the characters we were told were returning in July of 2018....and combine it with the reveal of King K Rool, a Rare character, in September....Plus the crazy third party addition of Joker and Hero....Plus the retroactive look at who has come since (Terry, Sephiroth, Sans as a special Mii costume, and Steve from Minecraft of all additions) what exactly still makes Banjo-Kazooie a surprising addition to you?

 

[PLATINUM7]

Weren’t there some Rare-related files in the game at launch? iirc it’s one of the reasons a lot of people thought we were getting Banjo.

There were but it was for games that had different names in Japan, so presumably they were put in with people thinking Nintendo owned them.

 

[N3ON]

There’s apparently a rumor going around on Japanese Internet that Sephiroth was always intended to be included as DLC in exchange for allowing Sakurai to bring back Cloud and that the deal was to withhold FF content for the base game and, instead, for DLC content in Pass 1 which was eventually moved to Pass 2.

Not sure if I believe it but it sounds possible.

Is it just me or has some variation of this rumour been a thing for every character this year.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Hey if there's any color theorists still out there, what is Sephiroth's color?

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looks grey/graphite to me

 

[ZaneHitsurugi]

ngl sephiroth is kinda sleep tier for me but I'm just glad its not something lame. He'll probably be fun to play as.

 

[N3ON]

With Sephiroth confirmed and Geno most likely being a Mii Costume, we might actually see some more variety in this thread, because Godwin's Geno's Law is finally broken.

I just hope the mods are ready for the presentation next week.

And let me say my sympathies go out to all of you in advance.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

If Tifa, Barrett, and Aerith aren't costumes at minimum, I'm going to be real disappointed.

 

[Shroob]

I just hope the mods are ready for the presentation next week.

And let me say my sympathies go out to all of you in advance.

I'm still extremely cautious about next week, because honestly, I could see a fringe case where the costume just doesn't show up, dragging this on even further.

 

[PLATINUM7]

what exactly still makes Banjo-Kazooie a surprising addition to you?

Still the fact that they are owned by Microsoft.

Just because you forgot they were, doesn't mean a majority of other people did. Your own anecdotal evidence is about as good as mine saying that everyone I know who knows of BK, knows they're owned by Microsoft.

 

[PacificFun]

There’s apparently a rumor going around on Japanese Internet that Sephiroth was always intended to be included as DLC in exchange for allowing Sakurai to bring back Cloud and that the deal was to withhold FF content for the base game and, instead, for DLC content in Pass 1 which was eventually moved to Pass 2.

Not sure if I believe it but it sounds possible.

That makes a LOT of sense.

 

[ZelDan]

If Tifa, Barrett, and Aerith aren't costumes at minimum, I'm going to be real disappointed.

Barrett would be perfect for the Mii gunner costume now that I think about it.

And Tifa would be great for brawler.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Is Advent Children a good movie? I've never seen it or heard anything about it really, but it's clear that Sakurai likes it and I know his favorite JoJo part is Battle Tendency so he must have good tastes.

I personally really love it, but your mileage will vary. When it comes to the story, you'll either love it or hate it. It handles some topics that are really cool but don't naturally translate very well to storytelling (like depression), and it admittedly doesn't give you all the information you would want to know in some scenes. It expects you to know some stuff before you go in. That said, it does some things very well in spite of itself. It all depends on whether those things will carry the rest of the movie for you. For me it does. It may for you, or it might not.

I'd say give it a shot.

 

[TheShiningAbsol]

Barrett would be perfect for the Mii gunner costume now that I think about it.

And Tifa would be great for brawler.

And Aerith could work as a Swordfighter as shown by Veronica.

 

[Inue Houji]

He kinda looked sad. I hope he didn't look at the chat.

 

[PacificFun]

Welp, gonna hope Lara at least got a Mii costume. Leaving her out of this feels kind of daunting to me.

 

[StrangeKitten]

So a few things:

1) Sephiroth is the first character to be the 2nd unique character from a series with content already in Smash. It remains to be seen if this will be repeated.

2) It’s now blatantly obvious that series with content (character, stage, etc) in Smash are in the running to get a new Challenger Pack.

3) As Sephiroth (I can’t believe I’m typing that) is the main villain of that game, is not a protagonist which bucks that trend. That said, I think it’s worth noting that Sephiroth is among the literal most iconic villains, even characters, in gaming history.

Basically it opens up new possibilities. However, I’m not sure it’ll lead to stuff like Eggman, and it seems like a somewhat typical response we have- crazy unexpected picks throw us for a loop and gets us to assume that more picks will follow suit. That said...I would be careful will putting all sorts of eggs into a basket in that regard. It opens up the possibility, but will it continue in a big way??? Big question for sure.

I'm probably Eggman's biggest supporter here and, despite him likewise being among the most iconic villains, I still think he'd be more likely as bonus character (if we get any) or base roster of next game. But I do enjoy the boost of hope Sephiroth brings and hey, at least we got a villain!

The Eggy dream is still alive

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

He kinda looked sad. I hope he didn't look at the chat.

Who?

 

[Inue Houji]

Who?

The guy singing.

 

[PeridotGX]

I wonder if the reveal would've been crazier if we had gotten Sephiroth before Cloud.

 

[Icedragonadam]

I just wonder what was going on at the Nintendo & Square Enix negotiating table.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So yeh

still banking on Octoling getting revealed

Hero’s trailer had the Dharkon focus with the awakening auras

Sephiroth’s trailer had a Galeem focus but no Galeem awakening auras

the Galeem awakening auras are the same color as the Sanitized ink in the Octo Expansion

Shut up and let me have this

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The guy singing.

???

Oh you're still talking about The Game Awards! OK.

 

[Inue Houji]

Yeah, I'm still watching just in case.
Also this year's game awards has been a lot better than last year so far.

 

[helloiamhere]

Y'know, I've never played FFVII, and I gotta say... One-Winged Angel is more or less an utter triumph of game music, it is REALLY damn good!

Does anyone know it the one in Seph's trailer is a new remix or an existing, official one?

Believe its this version

 

[Nemuresu]

You know, if Seph's Spirit Board turns out to be big enough to fit a whole page, I'm gonna come to the conclusion that Square genuinely f****d over Cloud's Ultimate inclusion just to sell all the FFVII content through Sephiroth.

 

[SKX31]

Is Advent Children a good movie? I've never seen it or heard anything about it really, but it's clear that Sakurai likes it and I know his favorite JoJo part is Battle Tendency so he must have good tastes.

It is - IMHO - a strange movie. It's clearly focused around action scenes and spectacle (kinda like how Sephiroth's trailer is framed), but its weakness is primarily that it's extremely Cloud / Sephiroth-centric. Tifa and the other characters clearly don't get to do that much in the movie - and even then their contributions are centered around the Cloud / Sephiroth dichonomy. And that dichonomy is dialed up to 11 in that movie. It kinda harms the story since it felt like Cloud's characterization took a step back from FF VII's endgame. Still, it handles depression very well as ALongWistfulSquiggle noted.

The action scenes are stunning, and it's got both memorable and memetic moments (such as Sephiroth collapsing a skyscraper on Cloud's head, "dis pear" and Cloud's flipphone, which was all the rage when the movie released back in 2005). It's also a very well-shot movie, as in the camera movement's good. Some scenes can be difficult to follow, but they do a good job conveying what's happening.

Do go for the Complete version, it's the better version.

I just wonder what was going on when Nintendo was negotiating with Square Enix at the time.

Taking a complete shot in the dark:

Something akin to both Nintendo and S-E realising that they already had one foot in the door with Cloud / Midgar, and Nintendo evidently thought that the profits from Sephiroth's Challenger Pack could offset the costs of licensing additional FF7 / FF in general content.