To get back on topic with Smash stuff- question for some of you.
I recently watched a Delzethin video where he goes over potential Challenger Pack 8 picks. The “likely” picks were essentially the same as they always are, being BWD, Lloyd Irving, Geno, Rex and Pyra, Sora, Ryu Hayabusa.
Then, Crash, Dante, Master Chief, Doomslayer, and Monster Hunter were put into “red herrings”.In other words, “people think they’re happening but no”.
Here’s my beef with the video. Bandanna Waddle Dee is propped up on a basis of, “What if there’s a new game on Switch?” and “He’s a popular request!”...which is also a reason folks use for Crash, Dante, and Monster Hunter.
The Red Herring concept is also used to say, “People talk a lot about them so they’re probably not that likely/ happening”. But if that’s the case, why is it characterized as “long term/highly popular fan want” for the characters he chooses, especially like Hayabusa (who I also agree is likely)? Hayabusa has been in more fake leaks than I can count on hands and feet!
I think some points are good, but seemingly inconsistent. If reasoning supports one character, how does that same reasoning not support another? While it’s not objectively a bad thing, there’s usually a Nintendo-centric bias in these videos so I can see where certain characters end up where they are... if it were a wishlist. But it’s meant as a speculative piece, and slants toward the “Nintendo connection” narrative, which I don’t think has enough of a foundation this time around in DLC.
What are some thoughts here? I’m not nearly as invested in speculation lately but I still am interested in who gets in. Curious to see what others think!
Haven't seen the video myself, but it definitely sounds like it slants more towards biases and the age-old "Nintendo connections are needed" misconceptions that have been in speculation for years.
Honestly? I'm not quite sure I understand their list of likely picks outside of Hayabusa:
- BWD doesn't have anything really going for him right now, and if you want to look at recent trends across all 7 DLC characters so far, none of those help him either. Seems like they're operating on a bunch of mights and maybes when it comes to whether or not Nintendo all of a sudden decides a new Kirby game needs top billing promotion, and that BWD would be the character to promote for that...If there even is a Kirby game coming soon.
- I plan on doing a much larger write-up on Geno soon here to share why I don't feel he's quite as likely as some think, but to me, there isn't anything substantial for him right now outside of a passionate fanbase that has been vocal. All the current "evidence" is circumstantial, or based off of wishful thinking and false leaks and theories that have very,
very shakey sources. I don't think Geno is more likely than any other character at the moment, and TBH if I could see any of these characters winding up as a "red herring", it could very easily see it being him.
- Rex and Pyra are a potential, yes, but there isn't anything that really points to them outside of wishful thinking due to Min Min. Honestly, I think that Rex Mii costume and the circumstances behind it are a lot more detrimental than some may expect in the end.
- Sora...Wha? I mean, no offense, but how is Sora likely right now? Nothing specifically has pointed towards him or happened with him that makes him more likely than any other Square candidate, so this one confuses me. Seems like a "Well, people talk about him, so that must mean he's likely!" scenario.
- Ryu Hayabusa is a strong candidate given Nintendo and Koei's relationship at the moment and the fact he's cropped up in insider circles for so long now. Ninja Gaiden getting releases soon here doesn't hurt either.
Their list of red herrings don't make much sense either:
- Dante is a red herring and Ryu Hayabusa isn't? I'm really curious to hear why they think this: If Nintendo connections are why Ryu's likely, then Dante's looking super good right now with all the old game's getting ported and one of them even being an exclusive version with enhancements, lol.
- Crash I could understand looking sketchy, and I do think a lot of assumptions are being made because of that very dubious leak that happened recently, but I wouldn't quite discount him just yet. I could very easily see him making it in due to popularity, relevance, and fan demand. Do these things make him stand apart? No, but it doesn't discount him either. I'd say Crash sits pretty even at a 50/50 shot right now, I could really see it go either way.
- Master Chief is IMO out. I'm really sorry to Chief fans, but I just don't see us getting two characters from the same 3rd party company in this pass, and I don't think a third pass is super likely right now.
- Doomslayer could potentially make it in, but I think there are several road blocks at the moment. The one interview with the devs feels like a pretty resound deconfirm to me, so I'm not personally really considering him at the moment.
- Monster Hunter is in the same boat as Dante for me where, in my opinion, I think it sits super well at the moment. It really will come down to DMC or Monster Hunter, and while I'm expecting DMC to win out in the end, I definitely think Monster Hunter could surprise us.