Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[StarBot]

I’d rather Tencent buy them than a God damn mass murderer

Why did you list Tencent again?

 

[ShrimpScampi]

While I'm not sure if Euden is that likely to get representation beyond a Spirit Event or Mii costume on account of Dragalia Lost's limited availability in certain parts of the world, I'd love to be pleasantly surprised by his inclusion, and it'd still be fun to discuss what he and Dragalia Lost could bring to Smash.

In terms of playstyle, Dragalia Lost's gameplay could translate over to Smash pretty well. Euden is a fire-element sword unit, and his Gala variant is a light-element sword unit, so whichever way you slice it his base moveset would center around swordplay, with a mix of fire and light effects added to his attacks. Another mechanic of Dragalia Lost's that might translate over to Smash is shapeshifting. Euden can form pacts with dragons, and when his meter fills up enough, he can transform into a dragon and wreak havoc. In Smash, it would probably work like Arsene except with a complete moveset change upon transformation, as opposed to Corrin who has partial transformations baked into their regular moveset. Euden's first pact partner is a wind dragon named Midgardsormr, so that would likely be the dragon they choose.

For alts, they could have 4 variants of his normal attire and 4 variants of his Gala attire, kind of like regular Cloud and Advent Children Cloud:

Colors could draw from some of his friends' color schemes (Elisanne, Luca, Ranzal, Cleo, Mym, Alex). Midgardsormr could get recolors based on the other Greatwyrms, as well as maybe a whiteish variant for Midgardsormr Zero.

His friends could also work as Spirit Board fighters. His siblings could be there too, but I could also see them working better as Classic mode opponents (of course ending with Rathalos, which he has actually already fought in-game).

The Halidom, the home base of Euden and friends, would probably work best as a stage, with a bunch of adventurers appearing in the background as cameos (and it better include Pipple). The music is where I think Dragalia Lost could really stand out if they could work out the complicated licensing. There are a lot of great tracks for various events (for reference, Nintendo posted a soundtrack compilation for the game's 2nd anniversary with some of the standout songs -- one that I would want in particular is "We Are the Lights" from the Forgotten Truths event, which is at the end of the compilation), but from what I've heard getting the rights for something like Smash would be rather tricky.

So yeah, that's generally what I think Euden could bring to Smash. He could be a fun inclusion, and it would admittedly be cool to see him as a full 3D model as opposed to the chibi style that Dragalia Lost uses for its models. What do you all think? Any other ways you could see him represented in terms of moveset/spirits/stages? Any music tracks or cameos you'd particularly want to see?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

The fact that there aren't actual clues to who the next character is is exciting as ****.

Until the last five minutes of the character being leaked as what happened with Steve.

 

[StarBot]

Arabs arent Californians

Imagine comparing the seriousness that the Muslims community have to do with extremists and how there women rights are always in a tread of being taken away

To some made up boogieman of a not all that progressive state, because "this one game company on there took away my underage anime porn, so everyone in that state is prude"

 

[metalhydra273]

Goku is owned by bandai namco, so logically it means that we're getting a bandai namco rep as part of the fighters pass 2?

Goku... bandai namco rep... fighters pass 2

 

[XorahnGaia]

Goku is owned by bandai namco

Bamco doesn't "own" Goku, they just have the license for making Dragonball(and pretty much any Shonen Jump series) videogames.

Because yeah, if you didn't know Goku as a character is owned by Shueisha/Shonen Jump and I'm pretty sure that Akira Toriyama's studio and Toei animation have some hands in this pie as well.

So no, even if this was an actual takedown from Nintendo (and other users before have commented that it probably isn't since this pretty similar to what happened with a Smash bros KOS-MOS mode last year), it wouldn't mean that a Bamco character is going to be added as a future DLC character, and frankly, I don't even get the logic behind this Aristotelian Syllogism of yours.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Imagine comparing the seriousness that the Muslims community have to do with extremists and how there women rights are always in a tread of being taken away

To some made up boogieman of a not all that progressive state, because "this one game company on there took away my underage anime porn, so everyone in that state is prude"

To be fair, Sony ARE a bunch of hypocrites for allowing some genuinely disturbing content in TLOU2 (I apologise in advance for mentioning this game again), yet they censor the heck out of anything with an anime artstyle.

Like, C'MON. Just because it's anime doesn't mean it's for adults only.

 

[StarBot]

To be fair, Sony ARE a bunch of hypocrites for allowing some genuinely disturbing content in TLOU2 (I apologise in advance for mentioning this game again), yet they censor the heck out of anything with an anime artstyle.

Like, C'MON. Just because it's anime doesn't mean it's for adults only.

There is a difference between upsetting and dark content VS. pedophilia-apoglila

You won't get sued for having murder in a game
But you def will if you include child sexuation in it
(Remember Netflix?)

(Yes, this includes fictional / characters that say they are 18, but don't look or act like it)

It's count understandable why Sony """""""censored""""""""" (which is dobist to call it that, since they almost always get the original devs to change it)

This is no different when Japan censor or don't sell American games with gore and murder it, they don't do blood. we don't do sexuation (especially sexualization of kids)

I disagree with Japan, and it's alot more nuance then I'm making it out to be but you never see the weebs who gets angry at Sony for that, never get upset about this aspect

If you want to look at *******, there is literally free porn out there, why spend 60$ on a bad cheap video game for that same thing?

 

[SharkLord]

To be fair, I think people do tend to ignore Euden's chances a little too much. A mobile game character made by Nintendo makes perfect sense to me, because Nintendo is obviously trying to get into the mobile game market. And we all know how aggressive Nintendo can be when they want to promote something. >_>

The big problem everyone brings up is that Dragalia isn't available in some European countries, since historically characters like Takamaru And Ayumi have been scrapped because they wouldn't be recognizable to worldwide audiences. They're at least not confined to an old system in only one country, but it could cause some awkwardness.

There's also the question of Granblue Fantasy. It's made by Cygames, much like Dragalia, so it should be easy to get the rights to, plus the fact that it's bigger and has more legacy. Nintendo might feel that it would be a stronger choice than Dragalia.

 

[Dinoman96]

Imagine Sakurai's Euden presentation

Sakurai: "You can now play Dragalia Lost on your mobile phone today...unless you live in Europe."

laughs

 

[7NATOR]

People like Sexy Things in Games because Sexy + Gameplay is a good combination for alot of people. You can't get Gameplay with Porn. There are Porn based video Games but usually the gameplay of those games aren't really the most Impressive.

Now as stuff relating to Loli's and stuff like that, that's a Discussion I don't want to get into

There's also the question of Granblue Fantasy. It's made by Cygames, much like Dragalia, so it should be easy to get the rights to, plus the fact that it's bigger and has more legacy. Nintendo might feel that it would be a stronger choice than Dragalia.

On the other hand, Nintendo might get more in the long run with choosing Dragalia, since unlike Granblue, Dragalia lost is Joint owned by Nintendo.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Imagine comparing the seriousness that the Muslims community have to do with extremists and how there women rights are always in a tread of being taken away

To some made up boogieman of a not all that progressive state, because "this one game company on there took away my underage anime porn, so everyone in that state is prude"

Nice Projection.
You write up a decent rhetoric and than end off with a "YOU MUST LIKE UNDERAGE ANIME GIRLS LOL" despite literally no one bringing that up.

Chill out.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Goku is owned by bandai namco, so logically it means that we're getting a bandai namco rep as part of the fighters pass 2?

Obviously. Bandai Namco are Goku fanboys and got mad at Sakurai because he banned him from Smash. Nintendo is their best chance for revenge.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Imagine Sakurai's Euden presentation

Sakurai: "You can now play Dragalia Lost on your mobile phone today...unless you live in Europe."

laughs

There are various app stores besides Google Play that allows you to download apps. For example, APKPure is an appstore that I personally use which allows me to download apps that aren't available in my region like Dragalia Lost or FGO. It's really not that big of a problem as some of you are making it out to be.

There are some strong arguments to be made for why Dragalia Lost won't get a fighter but I don't think Dragalia Lost not being available in European regions in the official app store is an actual reason against it's inclusion. Especially since it's a problem that already has solutions to it, even if they aren't official.

 

[SharkLord]

There are various app stores besides Google Play that allows you to download apps. For example, APKPure is an appstore that I personally use which allows me to download apps that aren't available in my region like Dragalia Lost or FGO. It's really not that big of a problem as some of you are making it out to be.

There are some strong arguments to be made for why Dragalia Lost won't get a fighter but I don't think Dragalia Lost not being available in European regions in the official app store is an actual reason against it's inclusion. Especially since it's a problem that already has solutions to it, even if they aren't official.

Euden's "Sakurai Presents" will feature Sakurai personally teaching you how to download Dragalia on unofficial app stores, complete with a tongue-in-cheek "Don't let Nintendo know we're doing this" and a wink.

 

[BlondeLombax]

People like Sexy Things in Games because Sexy + Gameplay is a good combination for alot of people.

This is precisely why I fell in love with Senran Kagura; the fanservice is nice, sure, but it practically becomes an afterthought when you get into the fun gameplay and extremely well-written story and characters. Hell, my favorite character in the franchise is now my profile pic until Boxing Day.

 

[LucKekkai]

The big problem everyone brings up is that Dragalia isn't available in some European countries, since historically characters like Takamaru And Ayumi have been scrapped because they wouldn't be recognizable to worldwide audiences. They're at least not confined to an old system in only one country, but it could cause some awkwardness.

There's also the question of Granblue Fantasy. It's made by Cygames, much like Dragalia, so it should be easy to get the rights to, plus the fact that it's bigger and has more legacy. Nintendo might feel that it would be a stronger choice than Dragalia.

I didn't know that about Dragalia Lost. Mainly because I've never played it. Still, despite the fact that I never played it, I've heard about it, and I'm sure most Smash/Nintendo fans are the same. Which is more than Fire Emblem had going for it when we got Marth and Roy in Melee. Perhaps things have changed since then and Sakurai is more strict in who/what he is willing to accept, but I think being from a first party IP is what mainly gives a character like Euden a chance. Besides, they can always announce a European release for the game alongside his reveal if it comes down to it.

Then again, I'm someone who would love to see Isaac in Smash as a playable character... so who knows.

To me, It feels stale because no one is talking about anyone new. All they talk about are characters from rumors or charcaters from coincidences like Lloyed, Geno, Whoever the Ys guy is, ect.

Doesnt it get boring only talking about those characters

Okay, here's a new topic for you(aside from the Dragalia Lost one, that is): Game Arts helped develop Super Smash Bros Brawl. Game Arts character when?

 

[SNEKeater]

I literally came to this site to drum up Estelle support so I hope I've done something in that regard.

I'd say you did, I partly got into Trails because of some posts from yours, LucKekkai and ShrimpScampi. So congrats, I guess, hahaha

Trails from Zero and Trails to Azure are the ones you are thinking of. They're both available on windows but they don't have an official English release. Now the good news is that there already exists English translations for both games. The bad news is that only one of them is good, which is Trails from Zero. But the other good news is that the group that released the recent translation for Trails from Zero is also doing a translation for Trails to Azure and it's currently 60% done and is projected to release in February/March of 2021.

Maybe a dumb question but if both games don't have an official english release, how could I buy them? Saying this because I assume both games aren't available for US/Europe folks.
I guess questionable options such as emulation are a thing in this case, but I'm asking because I'd like to play those 2 games before going into Cold Steel.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

People like Sexy Things in Games because Sexy + Gameplay is a good combination for alot of people.

Unbelievable that people like sexy things

Its almost as if its a natural thing human beings like

 

[7NATOR]

Okay, here's a new topic for you(aside from the Dragalia Lost one, that is): Game Arts helped develop Super Smash Bros Brawl. Game Arts character when?

Isn't Game Arts as a Company Dead as of this moment? even then I can't think of a character from Game Arts to be honest with you

 

[JOJONumber691]

OOOH! We're talking about the most likely First Party I see?

 

[Wunderwaft]

Maybe a dumb question but if both games don't have an official english release, how could I buy them? Saying this because I assume both games aren't available for US/Europe folks.
I guess questionable options such as emulation are a thing in this case, but I'm asking because I'd like to play those 2 games before going into Cold Steel.

You can buy Trails from Zero officially via buying a physical release from Falcom's official website or buying the digital version from DLsite.
Unfortunately I couldn't find a viable option for getting Trails to Azure officially since the PC version was released in China only and it's hard to buy it now.

EDIT: Oh and before I forget here's a link to the translation group: https://geofront.esterior.net/

 

[SpectreJordan]

I don't think I'll ever understand how Ultimate DLC speculation is boring in anyway. The possibilities have never been so vast before. The fact that there aren't actual clues to who the next character is is exciting as ****.

WWE Fans:

Because you’re not talking about the characters I want to talk about!

I don’t even get that line of thought when it comes to this thread. We talk about a good amount of characters. Hell, I barely see Crash brought up in actual conversations. It’s usually a “I want him in!” that someone randomly posts.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Because you’re not talking about the characters I want to talk about!

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I don’t even get that line of thought when it comes to this thread. We talk about a good amount of characters. Hell, I barely see Crash brought up in actual conversations. It’s usually a “I want him in!” that someone randomly posts.

With this in mind, let’s imagine how much of a game changer it would be if Geno, Sora, and Hayabusa - the 3 characters people discuss the most and are dead-set on being a lock - all became Mii outfits within the same wave.

 

[PeridotGX]

OOOH! We're talking about the most likely First Party I see?

nah, we really don't talk about Regigigas much

 

[Shroob]

nah, we really don't talk about Regigigas much

I guess discussion on it would be a


Slow start

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Isn't Game Arts as a Company Dead as of this moment? even then I can't think of a character from Game Arts to be honest with you

I think they helped with the Grandia remaster and let Sega put Alissia Dragoon on Genesis Mini

 

[7NATOR]

With this in mind, let’s imagine how much of a game changer it would be if Geno, Sora, and Hayabusa - the 3 characters people discuss the most and are dead-set on being a lock - all became Mii outfits within the same wave.
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Sora I don't think is Seen as likely candidate anymore. On youtube and places like that he is though.

Geno being costumed will get rid of What People might consider " the Speculation Mascot" from Speculation. Waluigi might also get a Boost in cred perhaps...or Maybe not, since there's possibility Geno costume would fit best with Waluigi Fighter Pack

Geno might also be seen as the "Isaac and Shadow situation of FP2" In that they waited all this time to deconfirm him as Costume

Hayabusa would be a huge deal too. It would also show even more heavily than the situation with Ubisoft that a Good relationship with Nintendo does not equal Fighter in Smash. People would also get on Vergeben, despite the fact that he never said Ryu was a character, but that there were talks between Koei and Nintendo concerning Smash

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

This is precisely why I fell in love with Senran Kagura; the fanservice is nice, sure, but it practically becomes an afterthought when you get into the fun gameplay and extremely well-written story and characters. Hell, my favorite character in the franchise is now my profile pic until Boxing Day.

That is also why I love the Bayonetta franchise as well as some anime like Kill la Kill.

 

[LucKekkai]

I'd say you did, I partly got into Trails because of some posts from yours, LucKekkai and ShrimpScampi. So congrats, I guess, hahaha



Maybe a dumb question but if both games don't have an official english release, how could I buy them? Saying this because I assume both games aren't available for US/Europe folks.
I guess questionable options such as emulation are a thing in this case, but I'm asking because I'd like to play those 2 games before going into Cold Steel.

I bought Zero no Kiseki from the Japanese version of dlsite(which is completely legal - I had to use a guide to do it though), and then used Geofront's launcher to install the game, which also patched in Geofront's localization at the same time. However, I haven't purchased Ao no Kiseki yet, so I don't know what is involved with that. I've only heard that it's more complicated thanks to China and DRM. Honestly, I think it is better for you to wait on Zero's/Ao's inevitable English localization on the PS4/Switch/PC at this point.

EDIT: I didn't see Wunderwaft's response to this question, lol.

Isn't Game Arts as a Company Dead as of this moment? even then I can't think of a character from Game Arts to be honest with you

Lol, yeah, they are kind of dead. But Grandia HD Collection was released on the Switch last year by GungHo, and they(Game Arts) are the original developers of the Grandia series. So I figure... why not? XD

 

[SNEKeater]

You can buy Trails from Zero officially via buying a physical release from Falcom's official website or buying the digital version from DLsite.
Unfortunately I couldn't find a viable option for getting Trails to Azure officially since the PC version was released in China only and it's hard to buy it now.

EDIT: Oh and before I forget here's a link to the translation group: https://geofront.esterior.net/

Thank you, I'll give it a look! Hopefully Falcom will decide to localize those 2 games. I'm probably missing things here but hell, it would be so cool if they just decide to talk with the Geofront guys to use their translation as the official one. I mean, the work is there, and from what I can see, their translation is pretty good.

Lol, they have fully translated Ys vs. Trails? Not the game I was expecting to be fully translated, but sounds great, I was always curious about this one.

 

[Speed Weed]

OOOH! We're talking about the most likely First Party I see?

wdym, I'm not seeing anyone talk about the odama from Odama

 

[Cosmic77]

With this in mind, let’s imagine how much of a game changer it would be if Geno, Sora, and Hayabusa - the 3 characters people discuss the most and are dead-set on being a lock - all became Mii outfits within the same wave.
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If people are dumb enough to overestimate Sora's chances to the point where they're dead-set on him being a lock, then they honestly deserve that Mii costume. Even if Sora actually gets in this pass, there's no way I'd ever try to pretend that I genuinely thought Disney's property was more likely than half of the third-parties we discuss.

And to be honest, the other two aren't much better. Two years later and we're still saying, "Just wait! It's coming!" for Geno's inevitable reveal.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Besides, they can always announce a European release for the game alongside his reveal if it comes down to it

Not really. Many countries in Europe classify loot boxes as gambling, and many more are considering it. That's why it hasn't released there, and those circumstances aren't likely to change in Dragalia Lost's favor.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

There are various app stores besides Google Play that allows you to download apps. For example, APKPure is an appstore that I personally use which allows me to download apps that aren't available in my region like Dragalia Lost or FGO. It's really not that big of a problem as some of you are making it out to be.

There are some strong arguments to be made for why Dragalia Lost won't get a fighter but I don't think Dragalia Lost not being available in European regions in the official app store is an actual reason against it's inclusion. Especially since it's a problem that already has solutions to it, even if they aren't official.

Bruh we JUST had Nintendo go ape**** about a non Nintendo workaround for convinience last week, you think they'd swallow their pride like that?

Because you’re not talking about the characters I want to talk about!

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I don’t even get that line of thought when it comes to this thread. We talk about a good amount of characters. Hell, I barely see Crash brought up in actual conversations. It’s usually a “I want him in!” that someone randomly posts.

Some people just can't handle that people don't exclusively talk about their favourites all the time but find new characters to talk about every few weeks

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Not really. Many countries in Europe classify loot boxes as gambling, and many more are considering it. That's why it hasn't released there, and those circumstances aren't likely to change in Dragalia Lost's favor.

Just curious, how long ago were the gambling laws about loot boxes put in place?

Edit: I'm guessing different countries would be different, but all I could find with a quick search was an article that mentioned Belgium and the Netherlands in 2018.

 

[LucKekkai]

Not really. Many countries in Europe classify loot boxes as gambling, and many more are considering it. That's why it hasn't released there, and those circumstances aren't likely to change in Dragalia Lost's favor.

Hmmm, a fair point that I hadn't considered. With it being that serious though, I could see Nintendo announcing a new Dragalia Lost game for consoles, without the lootboxes. As for whether or not it would be tied to Euden getting into Smash is up in the air, but as long as he is the main character of said new game, then I could see Sakurai doing it if he was given a heads up in advance.

Of course, I'm just throwing out possibilities here, lol.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Bruh we JUST had Nintendo go ape**** about a non Nintendo workaround for convinience last week, you think they'd swallow their pride like that?

In all seriousness though even if they won't acknowledge that the option exists they won't take it down since it allows them to bypass European gambling laws for free. Either way I don't think Dragalia Lost not having an official release in the European play store will affect it's chances for Smash.

 

[SNEKeater]

Because you’re not talking about the characters I want to talk about!

I don’t even get that line of thought when it comes to this thread. We talk about a good amount of characters. Hell, I barely see Crash brought up in actual conversations. It’s usually a “I want him in!” that someone randomly posts.

Yeah, to be honest Crash has barely being mentioned in the last months. Same goes for Doomslayer or Dante. When they're mentioned, it's because someone makes a list of some popular 3rd party names, or because it's "I'm tired of these 5-6 third party characters being always discussed" time, when I'd say those characters have barely being discussed recently.

The exception would be Hayabusa, who gained a resurgence thanks to Steve and Vergeben saying Koei talked with Nintendo for Smash. But before that, Hayabusa wasn't really frequently discussed in speculation for a long time. November/December of 2019 was the last time when Hayabusa was a hot topic.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well if we want to talk about something new, how about this.

Do you think there has ever been a third party company who has paid Nintendo to be included in Smash? Or maybe they gave their content away for practically free?

When I say this, I don't just mean characters, I mean things like spirits and trophies as well.