Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

I never understood why adding random characters from Nickolodeon or Disney cheesy Tween Sitcoms to Smash (or anything else) is supposed to be funny.

 

[Flik]

The Siegfried alt would probably still be named Nightmare as a callback to Nightmare's alt outfit in SC2.

As a Siegfried main, I rather see him as his own character (free from Soul Edge's control), even if he is an alt of Nightmare.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I never understood why adding random characters from Nickolodeon or Disney cheesy Tween Sitcoms to Smash (or anything else) is supposed to be funny.

What's funny isn't the idea of adding them, it's the memes people make out of it

 

[Guynamednelson]

What characters could come with differently named alts a la Alph or the Koopalings?

possible ideas:

• KOS-MOS (T-elos as a differently named and different voiced alt)
• Crash (Coco as an alt, though she’d be better as an echo or semi clone)
• Arle (Ringo and/or Amitie as alts)

Any other ideas?

• Isaac/Felix/Matthew
• Gordon Freeman/Adrian Shephard/Barney Calhoun/Alyx Vance
• Left 4 Dead survivors (maybe not the ones from Left 4 Dead: Survivors, they'd get cameos/spirits at best)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

As a Siegfried main, I rather see him as his own character (free from Soul Edge's control), even if he is an alt of Nightmare.

He would make no sense as an alt of Nightmare if the point was that he was free from Soul Edge's control unless it's that SC2 alt.

Not just because some of the Soul Edge abilities would make no sense on a freid Siegfreed, but there's also... y'know...

The huge freaking arm.

 

[Perkilator]

I never understood why adding random characters from Nickolodeon or Disney cheesy Tween Sitcoms to Smash (or anything else) is supposed to be funny.

Eh, it's mostly a meme thing.

 

[Flik]

He would make no sense as an alt of Nightmare if the point was that he was free from Soul Edge's control unless it's that SC2 alt.

Not just because some of the Soul Edge abilities would make no sense on a freid Siegfreed, but there's also... y'know...

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The huge freaking arm.

Then I'd rather him being just a spirit if he can't be his own character. "Siegfried possed by Nightmare" doesn't do the character justice anymore since 2005 at least.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Thankfully we had a much better Playstation crossover game released recently. One that could possibly see either or both Lara and Crash added in the near future too.

Damn, looking at this really makes me wish that other companies also made crossovers like Smash. I get that PlayStation All-Stars is a very deterring cautionary tale of how hard it is to properly make one, but still, I think with Ultimate's success, other companies would be mad not to try and replicate it - especially the other console makers, with their huge budgets. Plus it'd be great for fans, because then there are more chances for your character to get in a crossover. You're a Lara Croft fan and she didn't get in Smash? Well, she can still get into the Xbox fighter, or the Sony fighter, or the Square Enix fighter.

I never understood why adding random characters from Nickolodeon or Disney cheesy Tween Sitcoms to Smash (or anything else) is supposed to be funny.

Excuse you sir, this isn't just any random sitcom. You're talking about Drake & Josh, the undisputed kings of television humor.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Then I'd rather him being just a spirit if he can't be his own character. "Siegfried possed by Nightmare" doesn't do the character justice anymore since 2005 at least.

Have you played SoulCalibur VI?

 

[7NATOR]

Damn, looking at this really makes me wish that other companies also made crossovers like Smash. I get that PlayStation All-Stars is a very deterring cautionary tale of how hard it is to properly make one, but still, I think with Ultimate's success, other companies would be mad not to try and replicate it - especially the other console makers, with their huge budgets. Plus it'd be great for fans, because then there are more chances for your character to get in a crossover. You're a Lara Croft fan and she didn't get in Smash? Well, she can still get into the Xbox fighter, or the Sony fighter, or the Square Enix fighter.

Well Sakurai and Sora LTD is a Freelancer, and while they work with Nintendo Heavily most of the time, it's not Required

It's Possible after Ultimate that Sakurai could be contacted by Sony and Microsoft to make their Own Smash like Crossover Games, for the PS5 and Xbox Series X respectfully. Hell even Disney, Jump Anime, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network (with a Sequel to Punch Time Explosion) and more can get in on the Action

But I don't know if Sakurai wants to Direct a Big Game like Smash after working on Smash for 8 years now. He did say he does enjoy working on Smash though, But I still wonder if he might work on Something Smaller first



Another Idea I did have is perhaps There could be Smash Dev Kits made, and sent out to Companies if they want to Develop A Smash character for Sakurai and the Team, like the company doing the modeling, Animation, Stages, etc. I don't know the specifics of how they would work, but it could lead to more characters, and i bet companies like Wayforward would jump on the idea. but there have to be a Uniform Document to make sure all characters fit the game's artstyle and such

 

[DarthEnderX]

What characters could come with differently named alts a la Alph or the Koopalings?

Bill Rizer/Lance Bean [Contra]
Kunio/Riki [River City Ransom]
Bub/Bob [Bubble Bobble]
Rash/Zitz [Battletoads]
Captain Toad/Toadette [Treasure Tracker]
Goemon/Ebisumaru [Legend of the Mystical Ninja]
Billy Lee/Jimmy Lee [Double Dragon]

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Galeem is defeated for the first time and Dharkon busts out of a hole in the sky
Drake: ... I see the problem.
Josh: Oh, DO YA?!

Excuse you sir, this isn't just any random sitcom. You're talking about Drake & Josh, the undisputed kings of television humor.

Shout out to their GameCube parody.

Drake, where's the Smash Ball?
It's SPHERICAL!

 

[DarthEnderX]

He would make no sense as an alt of Nightmare if the point was that he was free from Soul Edge's control unless it's that SC2 alt.

They share a ton of animations.

The huge freaking arm.

It's almost purely cosmetic, and is only used for, like, one move.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

They share a ton of animations.

Of course they would share a ton of animations; they're literally the same person in most of the games.

But they also have unique tricks of their own that makes them stand out, like Nightmare using dark energy and Siegfried.........not having that.

It's almost purely cosmetic, and is only used for, like, one move.

I recall seeing it frequently used in his throws, which would very likely be implimented in a hypothetical Nightmare moveset.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I recall seeing it frequently used in his throws, which would very likely be implimented in a hypothetical Nightmare moveset.

I suppose so. At the very least, I think he'd definitely fall in the area of an Echo.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Well Sakurai and Sora LTD is a Freelancer, and while they work with Nintendo Heavily most of the time, it's not Required

It's Possible after Ultimate that Sakurai could be contacted by Sony and Microsoft to make their Own Smash like Crossover Games, for the PS5 and Xbox Series X respectfully. Hell even Disney, Jump Anime, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network (with a Sequel to Punch Time Explosion) and more can get in on the Action

But I don't know if Sakurai wants to Direct a Big Game like Smash after working on Smash for 8 years now. He did say he does enjoy working on Smash though, But I still wonder if he might work on Something Smaller first



Another Idea I did have is perhaps There could be Smash Dev Kits made, and sent out to Companies if they want to Develop A Smash character for Sakurai and the Team, like the company doing the modeling, Animation, Stages, etc. I don't know the specifics of how they would work, but it could lead to more characters, and i bet companies like Wayforward would jump on the idea. but there have to be a Uniform Document to make sure all characters fit the game's artstyle and such

I know Sakurai isn't an employee of Nintendo, but still, Japan has kind of a culture of business loyalty, so I don't see Sakurai and Sora going to work for another company. Especially not a Western company, with how much of a deal he's made about the language barrier.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Besides it ain't like the Smash gameplay is copyrighted as shown with PSASBR, Cartoon Network Punch Explosion, and that TMNT game.

That said we definitely need more Smash style games as there are many potential franchises using the gameplay formula notably Nick and Microsoft.

 

[7NATOR]

I know Sakurai isn't an employee of Nintendo, but still, Japan has kind of a culture of business loyalty, so I don't see Sakurai and Sora going to work for another company. Especially not a Western company, with how much of a deal he's made about the language barrier.

Yeah I probably didn't consider all of that. How Japan and Western Business works is a different ball game altogether

Well I don't think Smash will have a Monopoly on the Platform Crossover Fighter forever though. Brawlhalla and Rivals of Aether are games that while not on Smash's level, has a Fanbase.

I think Smash as a Concept is one I have trouble seeing a Future for if Smash is the only game doing stuff. there are so Many Characters in Video games right now, So many of them people want to see in Games like Smash, and with all the Development and Licensing that goes into everything, It's hard for one Game Series to keep doing all of that for all of time

Microsoft and Sony should really try their hand in taping into the Well honestly. Let people on Xbox, Playstation, and PC Experience a Smash-Like Experience of seeing their favorite characters. There's more I'lI could say on this subject, but that's as far As I'll go

 

[RileyXY1]

Yeah I probably didn't consider all of that. How Japan and Western Business works is a different ball game altogether

Well I don't think Smash will have a Monopoly on the Platform Crossover Fighter forever though. Brawlhalla and Rivals of Aether are games that while not on Smash's level, has a Fanbase.

I think Smash as a Concept is one I have trouble seeing a Future for if Smash is the only game doing stuff. there are so Many Characters in Video games right now, So many of them people want to see in Games like Smash, and with all the Development and Licensing that goes into everything, It's hard for one Game Series to keep doing all of that for all of time

Microsoft and Sony should really try their hand in taping into the Well honestly. Let people on Xbox, Playstation, and PC Experience a Smash-Like Experience of seeing their favorite characters. There's more I'lI could say on this subject, but that's as far As I'll go

Sony tried a crossover fighter once and it flopped.

 

[Ivander]

Goemon/Ebisumaru [Legend of the Mystical Ninja]

Like......sure, in a few games of their games, they play mostly the same gameplay-wise, but......Ebisumaru uses alot of different weaponry and abilities compared to Goemon. Like Goemon mainly uses his pipes and Ryo/Money for his weapons while Ebisumaru uses flutes, fans, hammers, party blowers, paddles, frying pans, spatulas, hula hoops, bombs, ninja stars...like could he even be considered Echo Fighter material?

They share a ton of animations.

It's almost purely cosmetic, and is only used for, like, one move.

Until SCIV and forward where Nightmare uses his claw hand alot more. Like this is assuming they use his Soulcalibur II moveset, when it's just as likely they'll use his later moveset that still shares moves with Siegfried, but has alot less shared moves.

 

[7NATOR]

Sony tried a crossover fighter once and it flopped.

I Know. I think they could learn from their Mistakes and Try again. Hopefully they were taking notes from Nintendo and Smash Bros all this time.

Maybe Sony can even one up Smash by Putting Spider Man in PSASBR2

 

[CannonStreak]

I Know. I think they could learn from their Mistakes and Try again. Hopefully they were taking notes from Nintendo and Smash Bros all this time.

Maybe Sony can even one up Smash by Putting Spider Man in PSASBR2

Uh, 7Nator, remember the no non-video game character rule? That should keep Spiderman out.

Oh wait, we're talking about Sony and Nintendo, are we? My bad, Sorry.

 

[SKX31]

Actually this sounds like a fun forum game

Try and push the most out there of characters as so called "Sakurai picks"

For example, "Sakurai will choose Gex cuz he's a pop culture nut and would probably appreciate the dated references Gex spews out"

Third party mobile game. Especially if it's completely unknown in the West and Japan (Garena Free Fire, a mobile BR, for example).

Because he wants to incorporate Touchscreen Control into Smash Bros.

Damn, looking at this really makes me wish that other companies also made crossovers like Smash. I get that PlayStation All-Stars is a very deterring cautionary tale of how hard it is to properly make one, but still, I think with Ultimate's success, other companies would be mad not to try and replicate it - especially the other console makers, with their huge budgets. Plus it'd be great for fans, because then there are more chances for your character to get in a crossover. You're a Lara Croft fan and she didn't get in Smash? Well, she can still get into the Xbox fighter, or the Sony fighter, or the Square Enix fighter.

Besides it ain't like the Smash gameplay is copyrighted as shown with PSASBR, Cartoon Network Punch Explosion, and that TMNT game.

That said we definitely need more Smash style games as there are many potential franchises using the gameplay formula notably Nick and Microsoft.

I won't stand for the fact that the Mastahpiece Shrek Super Slam (which also has a competitive scene) is ignored.

TBF both of the first Dissidia games did really well on the PSP. The 2015 one's had a a really rough life, but IIRC it still had a small but active playerbase.

It's not just PSASBR though, but also the fact that it's difficult to establish the crossover fighter as a solid brand. Nintendo had the luxury of building momentum with 64 and Melee before getting to the crossover stuff in Brawl, thus setting the bar. Sony did have a kinda sorta solid basis, but PSASBR needed more time in the oven + much more confidence from Sony's side (not pulling the plug when it "only" reached 1 million instead of say 3). The bar's been further raised I'd argue by Capcom's crossovers and Dissidia - as well as other platform fighters like Rivals of Aether finding a playerbase. So in order to establish a Sony / Xbox fighter they'd need much more confidence that it will actually work.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I suppose so. At the very least, I think he'd definitely fall in the area of an Echo.

Siegfried as an Echo would be dope.

I just don't agree with Siegfried being a Nightmare alt unless it's a direct reference to the former being the latter's host.

They have enough differences that it would be a disservice to both of them.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Excuse you sir, this isn't just any random sitcom. You're talking about Drake & Josh, the undisputed kings of television humor.

Whoa.

Just take it easy, man.

I had to

 

[chocolatejr9]

Actually this sounds like a fun forum game

Try and push the most out there and ridiculous of characters as so called "Sakurai picks"

For example, "Sakurai will choose Gex cuz he's a pop culture nut and he might appreciate the dated references Gex spews out"

Sakurai would pick Monokuma because he wants to give the Smash fanbase literal despair.

Did I do it right?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Sakurai would pick Monokuma because he wants to give the Smash fanbase literal despair.

Did I do it right?

He already gives them despair every time he makes a new character because they all have something the fanbase thinks is "unfair bull****" :^)

 

[KillerCage]

I Know. I think they could learn from their Mistakes and Try again. Hopefully they were taking notes from Nintendo and Smash Bros all this time.

Maybe Sony can even one up Smash by Putting Spider Man in PSASBR2

Uh, 7Nator, remember the no non-video game character rule? That should keep Spiderman out.

Oh wait, we're talking about Sony and Nintendo, are we? My bad, Sorry.

Third party mobile game. Especially if it's completely unknown in the West and Japan (Garena Free Fire, a mobile BR, for example).

Because he wants to incorporate Touchscreen Control into Smash Bros.





I won't stand for the fact that the Mastahpiece Shrek Super Slam (which also has a competitive scene) is ignored.

TBF both of the first Dissidia games did really well on the PSP. The 2015 one's had a a really rough life, but IIRC it still had a small but active playerbase.

It's not just PSASBR though, but also the fact that it's difficult to establish the crossover fighter as a solid brand. Nintendo had the luxury of building momentum with 64 and Melee before getting to the crossover stuff in Brawl, thus setting the bar. Sony did have a kinda sorta solid basis, but PSASBR needed more time in the oven + much more confidence from Sony's side (not pulling the plug when it "only" reached 1 million instead of say 3). The bar's been further raised I'd argue by Capcom's crossovers and Dissidia - as well as other platform fighters like Rivals of Aether finding a playerbase. So in order to establish a Sony / Xbox fighter they'd need much more confidence that it will actually work.

Since we are talking about PSASBR:

How is this as a roster?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I havn't played the game- are they actually boyfriends?

Naw, its just a joke because 90% of the AA fandom ships them together

 

[SNEKeater]

Unfortunately, Kat is owned by Sony, who really likes not sharing their properties with others.

I mean, would you share your properties with your competition?

I think that Joker was chosen by Nintendo to attract PS4 owners to the Switch.

I doubt it. If anything he was added to improve Nintendo's relationship with Atlus, among other reasons.
If you wanna attract Playstation owners you would go for different names. I mean, Persona 5 was great and was a hit, but it's not like is incredibly massive to justify that move.

In any case, Joker draw attention from the Persona community, which aren't necessarily Playstation fans.

50% The VGA's are big and Joker got a lot of people talking, But on the other hand Nintendo may take this opportunity to focus something that hasn't had a lot of exposure yet or would not get any exposure outside of a large event.

A reveal on the VGAs would be nice but I wouldn't mind if Nintendo decides to give the spotlight to another game. Depending on which game, I'd rather have that than FP8. I'd take Breath of the Wild 2, anything Metroid, Bayonetta 3 or something like a new DK Country game before FP8.

Reminder that Cranky Kong was revealed for Tropical Freeze on the Game Awards. Which completely guarantees that a new DKC game could be announced there.

 

[RileyXY1]

I mean, would you share your properties with your competition?

Well, Microsoft did.

 

[ahemtoday]

Since we are talking about PSASBR:

How is this as a roster?

I saw this video a while back! I love this series and wish there were more than, like, four episodes of it to watch right now.

Anyway, I've never been a Sony guy, so it's a little hard to judge this roster on a personal level. It does seem pretty solid on a lot of fronts. There are a couple things I don't really like, though.

• I'm not sure about including two characters from Final Fantasy 7. Final Fantasy as a whole? Sure, if we're doubling up on inclusions at all, then giving two to Final Fantasy makes perfect sense. But if I was a huge Final Fantasy fan, I feel like I would prefer multiple games being represented. I don't think I would choose FF7 twice. And even if I did, I don't know about choosing Tifa. I think either Aerith or Sephiroth would be the better choice for a second FF7 rep, though that might be an uneducated opinion given that I'm not too familiar with the source material.
• The other roster choice, I'm not going to use as much mitigating language with. I don't like there being two Kratoses Kratoi. PSASBR1 having both Good Cole and Evil Cole was widely panned, including in this very video, so it's very odd to me to then do basically the same thing with Kratos. Honestly, I've never particularly been a fan of having different "versions" of the same character on a fighting game roster, even if they play completely differently.

 

[SNEKeater]

Well, Microsoft did.

Microsoft doesn't really considers Nintendo it's competition. Or at least not in a traditional sense.

On the other hand. Sony and Nintendo aren't really close buddies. The people who directed both companies when they were in bad blood with each other aren't there anymore, true, but I can't recall a single meaningful sign of collaboration between Sony and Nintendo.

And even if both were super friends... No one is obligated to license their properties if they don't want, even if it's for the wrong reasons. It's not like all the other companies and developers are constantly doing things with each other.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Since we are talking about PSASBR:

How is this as a roster?

Spike from Ape Escape

say no more, im sold. fr why wasn't he in the og psasbr

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

All this crossover talk just makes me want Soulcalibur X Fromsoft.

Probably because I've got 3D fighters on the mind lately.

 

[chocolatejr9]

say no more, im sold. fr why wasn't he in the og psasbr

Because the OG PSASBR made a LOT of questionable decisions.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

All this crossover talk just makes me want Soulcalibur X Fromsoft.

Probably because I've got 3D fighters on the mind lately.

Mitsurugi vs the playable character in Sekiro

Yeah, I don't know his name, go ahead and say how uncultured I am :V

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

say no more, im sold. fr why wasn't he in the og psasbr

He was though

Say what you will about PSABR's roster, but it still had some neat picks. Spike, Sweet Tooth, Sir Daniel, Heihachi. All pleasant surprises

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Mitsurugi vs the playable character in Sekiro

Yeah, I don't know his name, go ahead and say how uncultured I am :V

I think it's just Wolf. Not entirely sure, though.

 

[Megadoomer]

say no more, im sold. fr why wasn't he in the og psasbr

He was, wasn't he?

Or is this using a super unpopular version of the character that I'm not aware of? (I'm still getting caught up on Sony games - despite having a PS3, I haven't gotten around to playing the God of War or Uncharted games yet, let alone Ape Escape)